Northwestern Law Students Snub Potential Employers
A friend of ATL brings us a surprising report from a recruitment event at Northwestern University School of Law on Wednesday night. Despite the rough economic times, rampant layoffs, rescinded job offers, and general end of the legal employment world as we know it, many students decided to skip out on the chance to mingle with recruiters from Biglaw, the DOJ, and the SEC. Says our source from a New York Biglaw firm:
Went to “meet the employers night” at northwestern last night — there was practically no turnout.
The event was aimed at 1Ls, but open to all students. One recruiter complained that “it was f***ing full of LLMs and no one else.”
There were lots of firms there (even Latham), but everyone was shocked at how few students showed up. We talked to maybe 5 the whole night (2 hours). I had a bunch of friends there from other firms — they all had the same reaction — expecting tons of students, shocked at how few showed up…. All said turnout was noticeably lower than in previous years.
Hey Northwestern kids, what’s up with that?
The firm folks speculated as to the reason for the low turnout, and here are the theories they came up with:
1) they’re resigned to not getting jobs
2) they’re more worried than usual about saying something stupid
3) they’re more worried than usual about studying
Northwestern’s head of placement was perplexed, says our source. The firm representatives were perplexed. We are perplexed. What’s the explanation here?
“Northwestern kids are surprisingly confident in their ability to secure jobs this fall,” hypothesized our source, a bemused, but proud, Northwestern alum.




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Abigail: “I can’t imagine what those people laid off from Cadwalader must be doing now.”
Britanny: “YOU’RE worrying about THEM? They have it easy compared to me! I can’t even fuck my boyfriend without you sneaking in there for some action from him. And not to mention when I have work to do and you feel like going on one of your little pot or ecstasy binges. And don’t get me started about your touching your private parts (our private part I guess) every time a hot guy walks by at the office. How am I supposed to focus?”
NorTTThwesTTTern
ok, carry on
They are probably still working on getting their 1L summer position and do not have time to spend on the 2L summer just yet.
I don't understand why UChicago hasn't had a similar event, at least not yet.
When I walked through the atrium after class last night, it seemed pretty packed. It was certainly difficult to get from one side of the room to the other. Were they expecting a riotous mob?
I have a prof who went to Northwestern and he's a fucking idiot.
IMO, people generally think that these recruiting events are useless, and even more so IN THIS ECONOMY. They'll mingle when they have the grades and OCI bids to back up their words.
It's like asking a girl out to prom six months early.
So one asshole from a firm didn't meet anyone and his version of the facts merits a story?
No one goes to these things because they don't lead to jobs. Its awkward mingling with awkward attorneys, like the assbag tipster here.
Some people are intimidated when talking to large numbers of people in an entertaining way. Not me.
I don't understand. We have a day honoring Martin Luther King, but he didn't even work here.
UNEMPLOYMENT RISES
ATTENDANCE FALLS
NORTHWESTERN REMAINS (apathetic)
No open bar = no attendance.
LATHAM was there? WTF?
PARTNERS PROFITS RISE
ASSOCIATE NUMBERS FALL
BIGLAW REMAINS
I have an idea, lets scare the shit out of law students through mass firings and delayed start dates and then get pissed off when they don't show up to a recruiting function even though we don't plan on hiring anyone this fall and willl no-offer 50% of 2L summers. Great f*cking idea.
Northwestern kids are idiots. They think they are fancy like the spoiled little tit-suckers from UChicago, but they are not. Most are bald, white, former Lehman file clerks.
ParaLegal.
15 tells it like it is. No one likes these dirty greedy bastards.
Just wait till word gets out on the role of biglaw in the current financial crises.
How well was the event advertised to the students?
Oh come on, folks - the NW students were morons for not showing up to this thing. There is absolutely no downside to showing up, and all the potential for upside. It is utterly foolish in this market to turn down ANY chance to make a good impression on a firm.
As a current 1L at a peer school with friends at other top 20 schools, it seemed as though every school had their big legal writing assignment - mostly an appellate brief - due at some point on Thursday. I know I didn't even bother reading most of my e-mails from recruiting this week. Maybe the employers (and NW's career guidance office) should check 1L schedules before scheduling these things and being shocked that no one's there.
I went to Northwestern for undergrad, and I rock! So, here's a big FU to the imbeciles slamming my old school.
These events are a waste of f*cking time. NU 1Ls are too damn smart to go to these things, considering that now is when they have mid-term exams.
This a bull***t story. I was at Meet the Employers Night and it was crawling with 1Ls. CRAWLING. The atrium was packed and loud. Were there a lot of LLMs? Probably. But there were plenty of 1Ls.
Same thing has been happening at other law schools. Students aren't turning out for career-fair-type events. Everyone knows that firms aren't hiring, so students aren't wasting their time.
I was at the recruiting event, and honestly, no one was interested in 2Ls, 3Ls and obviously LLMs. I stayed for about 10 minutes. Perhaps the problem wasn't that students weren't showing up--it was that they weren't staying.
Law school mid-terms??? How TTT.
21- I know numerous undergrads from NU that are fairly dumb. I'm assuming that you suck just like them, especially evidenced by the fact that you said you "rock". Wow.
ill tell you the reason why no one showed up.. all the law firm swag SUCKED.
There were no free starbucks cards but crappy post-its and pens..
They even stiffed on the free usb sticks
Biglaw's for douchebags.
Who the hell would want to go hang out with a bunch of idiot young associates who work at firms that are going to lay them off next week anyway?
The only attorneys who get involved in firm recruiting activities are those that can't bring in any business and therefore need to contribute somehow.
ParaLegal.
This story is bull. The place was PACKED with 1Ls.
Anyone see me there?
I was the one with the V10 job laughing at 2Ls without offers.
"Fairly dumb," 27? You're an idiot, and, as I mentioned earlier, I rock. I suspect that most NU kids could run circles around you without even breaking a sweat. But we can all learn about sucking from you, I'm sure, so take some small comfort in that.
LOL at 32 bragging about a LATHAM job.
NU 3L here. I walked throught the atrium after class and thought it seemed pretty packed. But what were they expecting? Law students have a lot of shit going on this time of year, and a 2L summer job is probably not foremost in a 1L's mind right now. Plus I noticed it was just sodas, no booze. I would have gone and mingled if there was booze.
I was there as a recruiter (also an alum). Was swamped with LLMs, very few 1Ls relative to the years I was at NU. Three reasons:
1) LLMs got the shaft during January recruiting season and are trying desperately to get jobs.
2) These early events don't help 1Ls get jobs - they won't make one iota of difference in an applicant's chances come OCI time. But they could be useful to 1Ls who want to see what kind of person the firm chooses to send and get a general introduction to the types of firms out there so that they don't waste their OCI bids.
3) No booze - which I believe is a new policy. If this policy was meant to discourage the normal revelry to keep with the newly "sober" times, it backfired. Well intentioned but a failure as a policy.
I was there and there were lots of students. 1Ls, 2Ls, 3Ls, LLMs, what is the tipster talking about? Honestly though, everyone knows nobody is hiring.
I was there and there were lots of students. 1Ls, 2Ls, 3Ls, LLMs, what is the tipster talking about? I could've just stayed home though, everyone knows nobody is hiring.
Why is "Northwestern" in the center of the country? Why isn't it in the Northwest!!!???
Why are we talking about a state school? I'm confused.
I encourage laid off first years to crash these events and tell the recruits what the firms are really like.
40 -- was that some sort of lame attempt at humor?
I just want to say that I turned a meet and greet event during my 1L year into a offer of employment for my 1L summer. It can be done.
41 - too bad there aren't any first years left.
I don't think 1L's really think about these events are really going to help them in the long run, especially in today's economic environment. So they probably had something better to do then carry on meaningless small talk with people they most likely won't work with.
http://www.youngtexaslawyer.com/
I don't think 1L's really think about these events are really going to help them in the long run, especially in today's economic environment. So they probably had something better to do then carry on meaningless small talk with people they most likely won't work with.
http://www.youngtexaslawyer.com/
this seems like a very one-sided summary of the evening's events. i attended, and while there may have been a drop in student attendance, there was most definitely a drop in employer presence as well. i heard from several sources that estimated 100+ employer tables last year, while this year there were less than 60. what's good for the goose, as they say...
36, the career fairs mean absolutely nothing. Firms send their most personable associates. The receptions give you no idea of the rotting beneath the surface.
new found respect for this lower ranked school in detroit or chicago (I misremeber which)
39: JFGIA.
Northwest Territory.
49 - not sure if that was simply a bitchy comment or if you're just ignorant. NU is a top-ten law school in Chicago.
Not that hard to figure out. They're all studying so they can get one of the few jobs that will be there next summer.
Why the Latham hate? Why not ORRICK or O'MELVENY?
I'm a 2L now, and I'd be more worried about the firms that aren't laying anyone off at all. Since this is systematically effecting all firms in a very similar way (with a few lucky ones doing well due to the downturn or one-off investigations, i.e. Weil/Debevoise, and few general @ss kickers, i.e. Wachtell/S&C), if your firm hasn't made any cuts and you expect them to have offers/work going forward, you may be in for a shock.
Layoffs are coming everywhere. Just wait. Shearman, Sidley, Kirkland, etc. coming soon....
Methinks 41 is on to something...
I'm a 1L at Texas and I can tell you that everyone here feels the same as #15. The attendance at various recruitment events has dropped like a rock since they first started.
What's the point in throwing on a suit and gladhanding some bastard who won't hire you anyways, and, if he does, will fire you shortly thereafter?
THIS is a story?
ATTTL really has jumped the shark.
53, some firms are much better positioned to handle the downturn than others because they're better diversified. See Weil.
Making cuts right now is a sign of weakness, plain and simple. It'll be you the next time there's a downturn in the economy.
atriums = TTT
cinderblock walls with no windows = better study environment
was randy savage there
57,
53 here. Weil diversified? If you consider it more "diversified" than, for instance, Latham, you are sorely mistaken. Latham is much more global (22 offices), has more attorneys and more practices. You could strongly argue it is more "diversified", though they got killed because they had a large amount of their work and headcount in bank finance and structured products. Weil was lucky (and I will continue to believe that and also know it is the truth) because they have a large bankruptcy practice, likely the best, and that has carried them past everyone. It was not "diversification", as you so wrongly pointed out. Take away half of the bankruptcy revenue, and they are just as sunk as everyone else. Ask anyone who works there: everyone has been moved from corporate/litigation/anywhere to work on their bankruptcy traffic.
Ever hear of boycott of BIGLAW? Northwestern focuses on public interest and government, and emphasizes BIGLAW firms. I am sure the students were just voting with their feet given the bloodletting.
55,
So why are you continuing to pay tuition? Your fatalism seems flawed.
58 = UChicago 1L
Northwestern sucks. Never going to be even half of UChicago's prestige, talent, or career prospects.
"We have work experience, blah blah" great! Enjoy continuing to suck as a law school.
Northwestern has one of the highest biglaw placement rates in the country. Most of their grads go the the top Chicago firms, whose clients tend to be companies rather than financial institutions. Maybe there just aren't that many 1Ls still looking. Or maybe everyone was out at the weekly bar crawl.
61 correction -- sorry, DE-emphasizes BIG LAW firms
60, you are a moron. That is called strategy. Weil is obviously well positioned. They pick up the best work in downturns and still have bright individuals, although schmucks in terms of personality and arrogance, to do work in bull markets. Latham was too big and perhaps diversified but not strong in any one practice to carry the whole firm.
60, you are a moron. That is called strategy. Weil is obviously well positioned. They pick up the best work in downturns and still have bright individuals, although schmucks in terms of personality and arrogance, to do work in bull markets. Latham was too big and perhaps diversified but not strong in any one practice to carry the whole firm.
V25 associate, not Weil
61/66,
While NU's public interest offerings are outstanding, I'd hardly say it's their primary focus or that they de-emphasize biglaw.
60 that is why you have both cyclical and countercyclical practice groups, duh.
Northwestern is from the Northwest Territory. Go back and take 5th grade history.
NU students were no doubt too busy watching their men's basketball team upset #19 Purdue 64-61 last night, as was this alum. Go Cats!
60,
You make a very strange comment. Weil is not well diversified because if you take away half of their big counter-cyclical practice, they would be hurting. Except that they DO have a big, counter-cyclical practice that does have lots of revenue. Perhaps you misunderstand why diversification is a good business strategy.
Waste of time? Not when there's free beer and whore-derves
I wish I'd gone to weil!
-Laid off first year biglaw
And believe me, being shown the door as a first year sucks.
The fourth theory from an unnamed source is there was a huge orgy that night and you know how horny and sex deprived most law students are.
Any Skadden rumors?
This post is just one of the many reasons I don't go to ATL. Its a non-news story. I guess that's why this is a blog rather than something more...
I didn't go because I have a lot of freaking work to do. And I know that these employers who I am meeting will not look at me if I dont have good grades. I mean...If the career center is so concerned about people not showing up they should make it mandatory like other events.
-NU 1L Who Didn't Go To Meet The Employers Night Because He Had Work To do
62-
Believe it or not, we don't all aspire for Biglaw.
-55
As a 2L who took corporate finance this year, I can safely say that 60 is a 2L who took corporate finance this year and is suddenly an expert on business strategy. I probably got a higher grade, though, because even I know that Latham's "diversified" practice groups were all susceptible to the same factors, while Weil's bankruptcy practice was not, ergo Weil was better diversified in any meaningful sense.
Yes 39 you dumbo, in 1851 that was the NW of the United States
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~1458~130121:Map-Of-The-United-States,-Canada,-M
Northwestern is from the Northwest Territory. Go back and take 5th grade history.
81 = racist
73,
You are gay, and gay is wrong.
-WWJD
Not Northwest United States, Northwest Territory *of* the United States...as in Northwest of the Ohio River.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Northwest-territory-usa-1787.png
It's cute when people act smart.
I thought Northwestern was in Boston.
80,
Ergo you suck and use words like "ergo." If they were truly diversified, they would have gone down (since systemic risk was pervasive and everyone is affected). Instead, they were positioned well through strategy and luck. If you say that they were "well diversified", instead of just lucky, you are retarded.
Do you really expect anyone to believe that they saw the economic recession coming, and were like "let's position and diversify ourselves for this", or did they happen to have the best bankruptcy practice, then scramble half the firm into it when they realized it would help smooth out their losses elsewhere?
Congrats. And for the record, I received an A in Corporate Finance at a Top 5 law school. Bet I beat you. And I have a higher GPA than you. Now you have nothing. Boosh!
-60
What is a Corporate Finance?
All the fatalism is crazy - especially as a law student. My career services dean kept on telling people not to apply to x place without a 3.4, not to y place without a 3.5, etc. It was such BS - plenty of people placed above where they were told their grades would allow.
I certainly don't mean to minimize the hardship of layoffs (I have been unemployed and it sucks), but there will still be jobs available. They probably will go to the enthusiastic rather than the cynical (and I thought that was Chicago's strong suit).
Surprisingly, I too have an A in Corp. Finance at a top 5 law school. And from my ignorant 2L perspective, a bankruptcy practice is like a short position. Sensible thing to have in a diversified portfolio. If you think that "luck" is the only reason firms have countercyclical practice groups, you're on dubious ground.
-80.
i wish law students and law firm staff didn't comment on this blog. it's ok if you read it, but please don't waste space with your opinions.
87, well run firms are purposely diversified with both cyclical and countercyclical practice groups so they can make it in any kind of economy. what about that is so hard for you to understand? weil probably developed their bankruptcy group either in response to a past recession, or based on their general knowledge that recessions will occur every 8 years which is going to cause corporate to slow way the hell down.
Spoke to my husband about this. For those of you who don't know me, he is a partner at Latham.
He said that he is feeling especially cocky and arrogant these days with how badly everyone wants to work for him. He loves the attention.
[I'm telling you right now you little bitches that keep flirting with my husband at these functions, I'll cut you.]
Anyways, he says he goes to the functions to keep good relations with the school but couldn't give a damn about the students. The students are smart enough to know this. In his words, "we just fired 200 kids more qualified then any prick I'll meet still in school."
93 I love you!
65, are financial institutions not companies now?
By the way for those of you who don't think I'm the real deal. See what I said in "Morrison & Foerster Layoff Follow Up" posted on Jan. 29.
Thanks for working late.
If Western University is in London Ontario, then where the devil is Northwestern?!?
Captain Canuck is not surprised there was a low turn out in Nunavut
-Bay Street is Awesome!
Chompers hates you Captain Canuck.
I remember that post TrophyWife and I do not doubt the veracity of your claims.
90: "Surprisingly, I too have an A in Corp. Finance at a top 5 law school. And from my ignorant 2L perspective, a bankruptcy practice is like a short position. Sensible thing to have in a diversified portfolio. If you think that "luck" is the only reason firms have countercyclical practice groups, you're on dubious ground."
If you took CORP. FIN. in a LAW SCHOOL, then you the joke's clearly on you.
All you law students arguing about firm finance just proved to the rest of us that Northwestern students are douches and retarded. Good job!
Why the hell would you argue legal crapt you know nothing about on a lawyer blog? Haven't you seen what we've done to nervous T10 1L?
This article is bullshit. I was there. It was packed.
Surely someone took pictures at the event. It'd be nice if they posted them.
The reason no one cared to go to the "Meet the Employers Night" is because career services has already hosted multiple of these this year and the fact that Northwestern students receive invitations to mingle with Big Law at least once a week. This week, we have had three total at school. Granted, the other ones are being hosted by the Latino Students Association and the Asian American Association and you don't have to be a certain ethnicity to attend.
Also, all the 1Ls have 30 paged briefs due in a week. I'm pretty sure getting good grades is more important to my job prospects than talking to attorneys who will never remember me.
There's clearly no point in going since the juniors attending this thing will have already been laid off by the time fall oci rolls around.
I was there and it was pretty packed, though there were the douchey-israeli LLMs and, of course, the AZIANS. it's really fear of a korean planet at law school these days. that said, the event was exceptionally worthless. i went by to talk to the firm i'll be working at this summer (2L), and they tried to so hard to make me feel like i'd be getting an offer that i'm pretty sure that i will *definitely* not be getting an offer, percentage-wise. sidley chick (my firm), had some great jugs on her though. she was wonderfully matched with a strange bridge-troll looking fellow who unfortunately was an NU alum. NU is TTT, but i mean, outside T5, no one is safe. looking forward to a new crop of plaintiffs' lawyers hanging their Duke degrees on their rented, industrially carpeted "offices."
All you law students on here should take note. The guy above who stated that he's more worried about firms that are not laying off than those that are is deluded. There are some firms out there that won't be laying off. Pay attention. Check AmLaw's running tally. Its starting to look like over-expanded, highly leveraged firms that penetrated markets that couldn't support NYC rates but still paid all their associates NYC salaries are hurting. Take a look at the firms that are laying off, it seems to be that the left coast is well represented. Especially if you factor in a few firms that imploded.
And for the first person who says everyone's laying off and some are just hiding it, I don't buy that. Every firm is trimming ranks to hit a target attrition rate. Layoffs are public because they have to be because they are larger. Stealth layoffs are stealthy in part because they are not that big. No firm can steathily layoff 10% of associates.
These recruiting events are all bullshit. Always have been bullshit.
Dear LLM Bashers - here's a small dose of the truth - if you can handle it - LLMs are probably best off because (1) there more growth in places where most of them come from (and hence biglaw interest) (2) they will end up working in the best firms there for as much/more $$ with better prospects for partnership because of their qualifications (3) most LLMs are either on scholarship or loaded and very few are levered up the wazoo with student loans (4) its not that difficult to get into most JD programs (really!) -getting into an LLM program at a top school is more difficult than getting into an average school in the biglaw recruitment pool. They don't really "need" the jobs at the job fairs - it would just be nice if they had them.
Okay, say I'm a 1L. What do I havre to gain by attending this event?
105 - as a, NULS alum, I have to say I like your style.
Question - exactly how many LLMs are there these days? Back in the day there were only about 30-40 a year and they really didn't get in the way. Is the place overrun with them? Also, I thought LLMs couldn't even practice in Illinois, so why worry about them competing for Chicago jobs?
Go easy on the Israelis, after all the Tribe did build the school - Mayer, Rubloff, Bluhm
105 - as a, NULS alum, I have to say I like your style.
Question - exactly how many LLMs are there these days? Back in the day there were only about 30-40 a year and they really didn't get in the way. Is the place overrun with them? Also, I thought LLMs couldn't even practice in Illinois, so why worry about them competing for Chicago jobs?
Go easy on the Israelis, after all the Tribe did build the school - Mayer, Rubloff, Bluhm, Pritzker
103-
"30 paged briefs"?
Nice grammar. Maybe you should decline some of those invitations to mingle. You're near Chicago, perhaps picking up a copy of the Chicago Manual of Style would be a good career move.
108 - you are delusional. best of luck with BIGSTARCRAFTLAW or BIGCEDERLAW.
Friends, listen to an attorney who is 20 years out and knows the score: YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK FOR THESE ASSHOLES. You have loans, sure, but there are loan forgiveness programs. You are probably not yet married and don't have kids. Do not -- not -- march like lemmings to your doom. The big firms feed on the young and rootless.
There are many opportunities in law outside the Latham, Cadwallader, Cravath grind. Talk to your deans and your placement advisors. Do not put your minds and bodies in the grinder. You will be so damned sorry 20 years from now -- or brainwashed into living the life of a wealthy, robotic, lifeless worm of a partner .
As they say, if you can save one life, you've done a great deed. Don't talk to the big-firm recruiters. Don't sell out your lives for a summer of lobster lunches and cruises on the Hudson. Look at the small, user-friendly firms. Look at politics, teaching, small business -- all that creative, less big-salary-at-the-outset stuff. You will make a living; you have skills. You will not be cattle at the mercy of economic winds. And you will be HAPPY,
As my social studies teacher used to say, "A word to the wise is sufficient." This crash and these layoffs are an oppotunity -- a window into reality. Blow off the recruiters and live your lives.
Perhaps, just perhaps, some students at Northwestern are interested in public interest or government careers. With the inflated salaries in big law, we've been too blind the last few years to realize what big law actually means. Now, with even the secure firms laying people off, students are finally realizing that their passions can trump stuffed pocketbooks, if they so choose.
110, probably about the same amount of LLMs around these days. i don't really think of them as direct competitors for jobs, but they are very eager to get all up in recruiting events. nothing wrong with that, but the recruiters seemed uninterested in them. kind of seems like they see them as lateral hires who will just have to be trained like any other 1st year, so why bother hiring them for U.S. practice.
love the israelis, but they do have kind of the "just got out of the army" voice to them sometimes, even though they're totally continuing to dodge the draft with their educational pursuits. a few non-verbal japanese to take the edge off the curve in securities isn't so bad though.
in any case, i'm not sure who is on the worse end of the recruitment kabuki these days. you have to kind of feel bad for the attorneys that get sent to these things knowing that they won't be hiring anybody and that their meager free time was spent not protecting their jobs, or even getting free booze and a couple of loose chicks' numbers, but sitting like concierges at insultingly small round tables piled with unattractive swag, frittering their evening away with lies about their firms' 2010 summer plans.
Maybe the Northwestern 1Ls thought they were WALKING ON SUNSHINE like I DO
116 - Thanks for the response, its 110. Clearly its a rough time to be going into a 2L summer. The late 90s were a paradise, but we didn't know it at the time. At least you don't have to worry about watching your 401k disappear. It could be worse, you could be at Loyola, Marshall, DePaul or Kent and in the same debt NULS is putting you in. God that just sounds scary.
108, are you out of your friggin mind?
I go to NUSL and whatever happened at meet the employers last night isn't concerning me half as much as the some of the asinine NU posters here.
117 = needs a father
Firing half of your first year class is NOT a big deal.
NU students either have jobs lined up or they know that it's a waste of time stroking egos in this economy. Give these guys a little credit.
Who gives a shit about these events anyway, if there's no booze? Grades matter more than anything. Naive 1Ls may think they can impress the recruiters. As if those guys give a fuck.
I am shocked that no one has commented on the genius that is Comment 1.
Bravo, Conjoined Twins.
Guys at my high school used to skip career events to smoke pot with conjoined twins all the time. It was no big deal.
No booze + no snacks = no attendance
What a shit story.
Not because it's probably untrue, but because of its gullibility.
Meet the employer events don't exist for students to get jobs. They're just PR for the law firms and relationship-builders for OCS. Hiring happens later, with grades and a different set of people from the firm side.
Students know this. Students not showing up doesn't mean they don't want jobs; the events have nothing to do with jobs. Students not showing up just means they have other things to do.
The better story: WTF are the firms doing that are laying off hundreds of staff and attorneys but are going about their PR chores in the same old way?
Don't have recruiting events on the eve of Spring Break.
Good point 128. Although I probably think that most of the attorneys were local and there was no free food/drink and no decent swag, so the event probably didn't cost much to the firms.
These events can be worthwhile to attend. Many firms ask the attorneys they send to give business cards out and stay in touch with 1Ls they find to be particularly impressive. Those candidates are often invited to skip OCI and get an automatic callback.
93 -- Weil developed a bankruptcy practice because nobody else was doing it, bankruptcy law is formulaic and Weil associates generally are not that smart. Perfect match.
93 -- Weil developed a bankruptcy practice because nobody else was doing it, bankruptcy law is formulaic and Weil associates generally are not that smart. Perfect match.
105 will be outted by lunchtime. I work with the so called "sidley chick " who went to that event (she came in my office to bitch about it beforehand) and you can bet that i'll find out who else was there with her, and ask them to narrow down who you are. Typically not more than one or two of our summers show up to kiss our a$$'s, so you should be EASY to out. I smell a rescinded offer.
134,
Great work! Nothing bolsters Sidely's reputation like weeding out anyone with a hint of personality. Glad to see that throughout everything, the colors of your craptastic firm remain true.
Now quick, get back to firing anyone over age 55!
Maybe firms will finally stop wasting their time and money on these pointless events.
How bad must the LLM job market be??
Weil has tons of TTT law school associates so bankruptcy must be pretty easy.
135 - it's a judgment issue, not a personality issue. this guy is a moron if he didn't realize how easy he would be to out. in fairness, we aren't going to spill his name on ATL - after all, we have the tact that this poor lad is lacking. However, there will indeed be consequences.
I am a1L at Northwestern. We were notified multiple times about the Meet the Employers night. I did not go because I was in the library working on a major writing project. However, I believe these are some of the reasons that turnout may have been low (if it actually was).
1) All we hear about is how bad the economy is, and how firms are going much less deep in classes to hire. We have a major writing assignment due this week. Most students feel they can't afford to take a night off to meet with people, because they have to be higher in the class.
2) Re the last sentence above. It seems less valuable because students who read these blogs and/or the newspaper don't very much trust what lawyers have to say about the job market at their firms right now. It is not the lawyer's fault, but as you read about firms laying off dozens of people, 6 months after sending out a "we're in good shape" memo, you get the sense that nobody really knows what's going on.
3. It's a little awkward to go talk to an associate about how great it is to work at Latham, Orrick, Cadwalader, etc when you both know that their firm just axed ten percent of its workforce. The associate is probably thinking:
a. Did my firm send me to this thing so they could clean out my desk when I'm gone?
b. Which God should I be praying to that I didn't get fired?
c. I hope my friend______ who just got fired is doing okay.
d. Did my firm send me to this thing because they couldn't find any work for me?
It's kind of like the herd of elephants in the room.
137 - What about your own lack of judgment? Do you really want to be outting yourself as someone who cruises ATL ?
And what's wrong with commenting, on an *anonymous* blog, that someone at SU has a nice rack?
Grow up.
NEWSFLASH:
A NAME AND RELATED PHOTO DOES NOT MAKE LAME COMMENTS FUNNY.
THANK YOU,
THE MANAGEMENT.
138 hit the nail on the head.
(1) nobody is hiring now so what's the point.
(2) if you plan to 'network' as a plan B for bad 1L grades, do you really think any amount of awkard schmoozing could possibly get your foot in the door for OCI next fall?
Law firms should hire like consulting companies. Offer a few 2L summer associateships to the ultra-elite and then hire everyone else fall 3L year. Make interviews more objective/challenging to weed out the people who took "Critical Race Theory II" and other bs classes. Make them chase you, not the other way around...
These events are a complete waste of time! It is not as if we would secure a job at that event. Such events which are nothing more than an ass kissing session! Have some dignity folks! Firms are probably pissed off that their dicks were not sucked as much as they hoped.
134, 137,
Get over yourself.
This kid clearly has the brains and the personality to go out and make hay for himself, and he doesn't need ass-fucks like yourself pretending that you control the sun.
Maybe he'll be kind enough to let you file the paperwork for whatever business he starts after you deny him of the "honor" of collecting a paycheck from your legal services company.
BTW, the chick with the big tits wasn't sent to this event accidentally. Her rack is probably routinely employed to seed the clouds for your firm's rainmakers, douchenozzle.
People go to get their LLM at NW to wipe the sh*t smell off their degree from schools like Chicago-Kent, and b/c their parents pay for it. I think the recruiter put it best!
This may be a school-specific thing. Similar events at Columbia and NYU get mobbed.
2 = tool.
That is odd. Maybe they're lazy and have no intention of trying to find work after law school.