"Sike"? Are you illiterate?

Anyone who gets rejected from UNC, or any ABA law school for that matter, should count their lucky stars.

An honest mistake, no doubt. But Carolina can *still* go to Hell, just as a matter of principle.

pscyh, idiot

That tipster sounds like a whiny baby.

I think the second email should have started with:

"Congratulations, you have just saved $160,000!"

I will just say that Dean States is the best and most competent administrator at UNC, and a hell of a good guy. This was a very unfortunate computer error.

didn't they do this before?

and "sike" is horrible

I don't understand how that mistake is the ultimate dried up stream.

http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sike

Psych!

Isn't Crystal Gail Mangum enrolled at UNC?

"Coach Roy Williams probably thinks this student should focus more about basketball and spend less time worrying about which law school he's getting admitted to."

i think elie is a pretty cool guy. eh kills grammar, and doesn't afraid of anything.

I wish Dean States. Proofread his emails before sending them.

GO TO HELL CAROLINA GO TO HELL!! IF YOU CAN'T GO TO DUKE GO TO STATE, IF YOU CAN'T GO TO STATE GO TO JAIL, IF YOU CAN'T GO TO JAIL GO TO HELL!! GO TO HELL CAROLINA GO TO HELL!

Happy March Madness everyone. Let's go Duke!

Dean States = Dean Wormer.

Elie, you are the most brilliant and articulate editor I can imagine running this site. You are truly a credit to Harvard Law School, and Lat should be proud to have you running ATL.

Sike!

5 - if you call someone an idiot, at least spell it correctly yourself

Texas is going to beat Duke.

Who cares? If you think you would get rejected from a TTT like UNC, you should probably just save yourself the 200k in crushing debt in this economy.

Some broad from UNC Law once told JT that she wouldn't sleep with him. Two seconds later she was all like "sike!" JT never called.

"Sike"? Please tell me that ridiculous spelling is just an elaborate "psych" to ruffle the feathers of the grammar trolls.

Someone squeezed all the life out of these kids. And unless movies and TV have lied to me, it's a crusty, bitter old dean.

19--I think you meant Minnesota.

Tipster is a dipshit. He got the second email and called for clarification?! Did he want the admissions office to read it slowly to him, explaining the meaning of the word "error"? I'm sure UNC will hate to lose that douchebag.

unc's administration is incompetent. what a TTT

No one should be attending a non T-14 school in this economy anyway.

This happened at Bolt a few years ago. Same exact thing. I don't remember why it happened at Bolt. But, uhm, who upgrades admissions software in the middle of admissions season? Shouldn't there be better planning?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sike

That tipster is smart to cross them of his list. That shithole is tanking, if it could tank any further than it already is.

28, what is bolt?

Don't loose hope, Elie. Some people say writing mistakes is evidence that are schools don't teach good, but their wrong and must of made the exact same mistakes thousands of times to for all intensive purposes. Irregardless, I'm enthused about you're work. Keep it up!

why is it that dealbreaker has an intelligent LEGAL analysis of the "AIG" tax law and ATL spends its time breaking "news" of some accidental e-mail that jerked around a few college seniors? just wondering

This kind of mistake has happened before

8:

computer error? or compodger error? My bet's on the latter.

32,

I love your work. The fact that you managed to get every one of my pet peeves into a single post = Epic Success!

Good News = "sike" is in the Urban Dictionary

Bad News = two of three entries define it as a "misspelling of psych(e)"

Worse News = Having to go to the Urban Dictionary to find support for Elie's broadly constructed English

This happened to a classmate of mine (at Iowa). He got an e-mail invitation to admitted students day to Berkeley...

Ouch.

28: Shouldn't you learn how to spell the name of a T-10 law school?

This never would have happened at Rutgers-Camden.

-flatulent Rutgers-Camden 2L

Oh, sweet Jesus, this bean dip is going right through me . . .

tipster is a whiny tool.

No, it is properly spelled "sike," you dumb sons of bitches.

TTT? I'm a 3rd year associate at a V10 firm in NYC, and from what I've seen, the top of the class from UNC lands jobs just about everywhere in the V50.

32's excellent post is only missing a misplaced apostrophe. I hate it when people don't know how to make word's plural.

Thanks for that, 43. Maybe you would be willing to volunteer to pay down the crushing debt of the bottom half of the class graduating from UNC this year, most of whom probably won't find paying jobs.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/grad/law/search/page+2

unc is 38. 6 spots behind ALABAMA. Is alabama in your V50 survey as well?

unc's ranking was tied with fordham (or maybe slightly higher) when i applied, dropped a few when i began, and is now utterly abysmal. sniff.

46,

I surveyed your mom in Alabama.

-Alabama 3L with a federal clerkship

And we care about someone who has not even in law school yet because....?

It's "psych" - not "sike." "Sike" means nothing.

UNC's Admissions office does this every year. It has become a fun tradition! Variations on this happened in at least 06 and 07. And in 07 Wake Forest sent out financial aid reports with their largest scholarship on there or EVERY admitted student. D'oh. But, hands down, UNC has the crappiest admissions office in the top tier. This even after they fired the infamous Mweni Ekpo.

UNC - a school where about 70% of the undergraduate student body is female. They all wear sun dresses, they're mostly hot, and they're all easy.

dook - a school where I wouldn't touch 70% of the female student body, even if I had a .37 BAC.

Now you tell me which NC school is better.

"Sike"? Please tell me that ridiculous spelling is just an elaborate "psych" to ruffle the feathers of the grammar trolls.

I don't know what crushing debt you clowns are talking about it but this isn't a private school. Debt, yes, but it's not even in the neighborhood of $160,000.

54: For an out of state student, Carolina Law's website lists as the estimated annual budget $45,650 (it includes living expenses). It doesn't take private school to know that (a) no one can live off a school's estimated budget and (b) 3 times $45k is not that far off from $160k in total debt

35: Cruel and uncalled for, but, unfortunately, probably true.

UNC sent out 2700 acceptance emails two years ago, then revoked them the next day. Not surprising.

Regarding UNC's rank . . . it's been slipping. Maybe all the lawyers seen around the V50 were from the late 90s or early 00's. I think the school has fallen about 10 spots in the last 2 or 3 years (now lower than Alabama). Historically UNC was about 10 higher than Wake Forest, now they are about tied.

55 - Only an idiot would pay out of state tuition for three years. Anyone with half a brain would know to declare residency in North Carolina after living there for a year.

The school attempted to hire Chemerinsky as dean in 2006, and he seemed enthusiastic. But he turned it down due to lack of funding for the school. That was a serious blow and hopefully not the beginning of the end.

What exactly did Mweni Ekpo do? I applied to UNC in Nov. 05 with numbers way above their norms, called them and wrote them for 5 months letting them know I was still interested despite acceptances at other schools, finally got a waitlist letter around April 1, never heard from them again. I believe Ms. Ekpo was one of the people I crossed paths with in that process.

48,

I understand your anger, but do the rest of us (and yourself) a favor--don't write crap like that and sign off as a clerk.

UNC Admissions is dismal at best. They cashed my application fee the second they got it and, to date, I have never been formally rejected. I'm now a 3L at a T30 school and glad I went there instead. My last contact w/ them was when I called in mid-June 2006 to ask about the status of my application and was told "if you haven't heard yet, you're probably rejected." No rejection was ever mailed. Classy, UNC, classy.

60: Ekpo was let go under some cloud of controversy. He wrote a mysterious email to the entire law school about his services no longer being needed. That's the last we heard from him.

57: All of that is true but those near the top of the class in the last few years have had no problem in getting jobs at firms most people would consider good (Simpson Thacher, A&P, MB, Weil, Ropes, K&L Gates, and so on).

Ekpo was not a dude. UNC Law's summer 2005 alumni magazine, on hiring Mweni Ekpo:

What better training could there be for an admissions director than judging a beauty pageant?

Carolina Law’s new director of admissions, Mweni (pronounced WIN-nee) Ekpo, is a judge, fan and alumna of the Miss America scholarship pageant system. Ekpo, who won titles as an undergraduate in Mississippi and a law school student in Indiana, gleaned practical skills and tuition money as a contestant.

“It’s how those of us who don’t play football pay for
school,” Ekpo said.

60 - UNC Law has turned down a lot of people who went on to better schools. But hey, they hired John Edwards as a prof!

GW did this a couple years ago. People need to get over it. Who really thinks the way you find out you were admitted to a school is through an e-mail inviting you to am admitted students day?

This has happened before!! I got the exact same 2 emails in the spring of 2007! (Is there administrator malpractice?)

--Happy 2L at T14 school, but still bitter about those emails!

GW did this a couple years ago. People need to get over it. Who really thinks the way you find out you were admitted to a school is through an e-mail inviting you to am admitted students day?

Looks like Dean States' decision to fill that entire damn office with minorities like himself and with other various and sundry affirmative action hires is paying dividends. One of the most incompetent T1 admissions offices out there. No wonder UNC's been dropping like a stone in the rankings of late.

38- yeah berkeley/boalt had the same error a few years back

I got the Boalt e-mail in 2006 - it was actually an admitted minority student dinner/gathering at a prof's house if I recall correctly.... Sending the e-mail to me was erroneous on two counts: I had not been admitted and I am not a minority.

I realized almost immediately that it must be some sort of snafu (given that I am white), but if I was a minority I think it would have been harder to dismiss.

59: The best thing to happen to UNC was Chemerinsky not taking the position. Besides the guy being a prick, it resulted in UNC receiving a boat load of new money for new faculty and other support as a result of the public way Chemer announced he would not be taking the job. Apparently, he had eyes on the Duke Dean position, which was known to be coming open in the next year or so. Unfortunately for the diminuitive Chemerinsky, apparently Duke didn't feel he was the man for that tall of a task. He got passed over when the position came open shortly thereafter.

Chemer is a brilliant man and a hell of a treatise writer, but lacks necessary personable skills and a certain requisite amount of tact.

72: Of course it helped UNC that he said "No, you are underfunded and the Undergrad Administration could care less about the law school." Why do you think he said it? It would have been much easier to just say "Thanks, but no thanks!" But I think he thought it would actually help the school if he very publicly pointed out what everyone at both UNC and Duke already know. Carolina has a lot of potential and was a good school, but has now gone to the shitter through incompetent administration, lack of star faculty, employment placement problems, and being underfunded and ignored. For the love of God, the library caved in. The legislature, administration and alumni wouldn't get it together without a bit of public embarrassment. Apparently the rankings free fall wasn't enough to get them motivated.

Being the Dean at a top 10 school is a competitive job for anyone, and it doesn't say much that he didn't get it. He's actually starting a law school at Irvine now (which is probably *already* better funded and has better faculty than Carolina).

UNC (undergrad) alumna here. (52 - we're not all easy, but yes, outnumbering men 2 to 1 did make us put up with more BS than a pretty college girl should have to.)

I love my school, but forgive me if I don't cry a river for a guy not good enough to get into UNC Law School. And then stupid enough to whine publicly about it. Yes, the top of the class get good jobs. But I think it's pretty clear this guy isn't top of class material.

I think the point, Miss I'm-So-Pretty, is that this has happened at 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2009. At that point it's not the whiny applicant, it's crappy administration. And bad PR. A lot of people WITHDRAW their applications from schools that can't handle the admissions process. Not all of those people aren't "UNC MATERIAL!" Some of those may actually be people you want, who'd bring up your GPA and LSAT and maybe help your rankings.

Hey, I'm not defending UNC Law here either, and applicant relations certainly don't appear to be strong there. But aren't you talking out of two sides of your mouth? You shouldn't go there because of the PR, but we should care that it's a good enough school to worry about getting into in the first place? You'd withdraw your application from a school that mishandled admissions? Why? They've cashed your fee, and it doesn't necessarily mean that they do everything else poorly. The only reason to withdraw an application is if you've accepted at a better school.

The rule is, and always has been, go to the best law school you can get into. Especially in this economy. (But it's nice of you to care about raising the school's GPA and LSAT averages out of the goodness of your heart.)

No, for people from North Carolina it's a CHEAP school. That enters the calculus to be sure.

This tipster is just pathetic. I hope the "I'm pulling my application before you can reject me" move helps the tipster feel better about himself.

48 - Love it.

Carolina is one of the cheapest tier one public law schools you can find. If you're in-state from the start and have a good undergrad GPA, it's not hard to graduate from UNC Law with under $50K in debt.

i got the unintentional email then the follow-up, then another follow-up explaining how my app was still in review and the unintentional email would have no bearing on their decision.

The worst part was that the very first line of the first email said "Congratulations on your admission to Carolina Law School!"

I don't feel like they've made very good amends, but I'm not gonna pull my app or stop considering them either.

48,

Best post of all.

I don't know what the big deal is. When I applied for law school about 5 years ago, I had TWO schools send me misaddressed emails meant for "admitted" students. One of which I was accepted to later on.

And #65, Edwards was NOT a prof- but he did establish a Poverty Center that has done good work. That is nothing to make fun of.

Here's how I would respond:
I recognized immediately that there had been an error, and within about 15 minutes, I responded with a follow up email to UNC and the other Law Schools who received the incorrect message. The first message accepting a seat was intended for those schools in the top tier. Instead, the message was sent to law schools whose files are currently in a pile I refer to as TTT.

79 & 82 = 48.

85 = 46

I am not surprised that Elie sympathizes with the incompetent people who made this mistake.

A tipster, who had not gotten in by late march, crossed UNC off his list. How brave.

Carolina Law has so many problems. In the fall of 2006, I submitted my application in October. They did not notify me of my rejection until late May. I'm happy where I am now, but further evidence of Carolina's continued problems makes me even happier that I didn't go there.

Carolina's problems leading to a drop in the rankings were (1) the need for more funding in order to hire additional professors (to reduce class size) and improve law school facilities and (2) an improved career service staff.

Carolina has now got the funding to hire more faculty (thus improving professor/student raio) and is going to be constructing a brand spanking new law school building (facilities problem solved). The career service staff has been completely gutted and replaced, which should lead to better placement numbers. Problems solved. Ranking should improve over the next couple of years as these improvements become reflected in the US News numbers (which are a joke to begin with).

68, I found out about my admission to Emory a month ago by an e-mail inviting me to the admitted students weekend.

I go to Carolina Law. This is just one more example of how crappy the administration has been since I got here. It's not really a surprise that we plummeted in the rankings (we were somewhere in the mid/low 20's when I applied) when the admins can't even send out proper emails, let alone hire more professors and get our CSO out of the shitter.

And also, to the whole "just apply for in-state you idiots" comment. I have, 3 freaking times. They say no. The statute says you must show "intent to remain in the state" in order to qualify for in-state tuition. So if you can't show that - even when you vote, live here, work, pay taxes etc, they reject your ass.

90 - Dean States, is that you?

92 - Well said.

The education itself is pretty good at UNC - and if you do want to live in North Carolina, most employers in the state seem to worship the top 50% of the class.

That being said, the ghost of Mweni Ekpo still lurks. What a crappy administration.

93: No, it's not. Just a pissed off grad that hopes our fucking admin can figure out how to game the US news system like the rest of the top 25. It ain't rocket science. The factors hurting our ranking are the ones that are easiest to fix...come on people.

Even with in-state tuition, giving up three years of income and paying for your cost of living...its still expensive. UNC's estimated budget for "IN-State" students is $30k a year. You're still looking at $90k in the hole minimum before all is said and done. But that's going to be the case at pretty much any school you go to inside of the Top 50 I guess.

My advice...unless you're getting a scholarship (either the school or parent provided kind), don't go to law school. Go work for a few years and have your employer pay for an MBA when the economy turns around.

90/95 - do you think Governor Perdue's new budget is going to screw up UNC's funding capabilities? Not sure how interdependent these things are, but it's hard to imagine any school having excess funding right now...

94, if by the "in-state" employers, you mean the Mesothelioma Lawyers, Inc. or smalltown lawyer. If that's what you want, no problem. But don't make it seem like the "vast" quantities of North Carolina employers are just dying to get their hands on a coveted UNC median student.

NC really only has about 30 distinct NALP employers (including Cadwalader--do they even have a Charlotte office anymore?) and almost all of them have done layoffs or canceled their summer programs. For the remaining gigs, it's a dogfight with Wake Forest for prestige. Cut out the jobs that will go to Duke people who want to stay, or people who went to prestigious law schools out of state and want to come back, and divide up the remaining availabilities between the classes of Wake and UNC. Top 50% at UNC? I don't think so. The ones who get jobs don't get "good" jobs. And by "good" jobs, I'm not talking about Vault or ATL mentions. I simply mean "earning enough to pay back your debt and not live like a hobo."

96, hits it on the head. Tuition isn't *that* expensive, but you have to live on something and that costs about the same no matter what rank your school is. The NC market is much lower than the $160k, and the number of firms starting even over $100k is pretty low.

92 - you need to bring your completed North Carolina bar application to the residency appeal hearing. It worked for me.

Mweni Ekpo is now at FAMU.

I guess she left one TTT for another.

Sorry -- I need to jump on the "sike" bandwagon. That's shameful. Almost as bad as "definately," which seems to be a favorite of many who post comments on this site. How did you people graduate law school (or college, for that matter)?

If I were the tipster, presuming it was a goal to get into UNC, I would not be able to live with the fundamental failure of not responding "I accept" before the correction email.

One, prospective law students know (or should know) that you would get an acceptance prior to being invited to an accepted students day. Two, mistakes do happen and considering it was corrected within 15 minutes of occuring is remarkable. As ATL said, if you didn't get the correction email, happy day indeed.

Allow me to add on to the list of complaints with the UNC admissions office. I turned in my application and residency form when I applied in December. Then I got an e-mail in February telling me they had received my application, but not my residency form. So I re-faxed it.

Then when I met with the admissions director a few weeks ago, they had still not paired my residency form with my application to mark my file as "complete" and ready for review.

I told her about upcoming deposit deadlines I had at other schools and asked if she could tell me anything about my status before these deposit deadlines. She promised that in two weeks, she would have an answer for me (yes, no, or waitlist). Last Friday came and went with no answer.

I called yesterday to follow up only to find that my application had still not been reviewed. I was advised to "move on" and look at the other schools where I had impending deposit deadlines.

Idiots are damaging our language. "Sike" was likely started by some moron who decided he would phonectically spell this super rad slam he heard once because he was too stupid to realize it was "psych" from "psychological" and after enough of his idiot friends spelled it like this some people accepted it out of pure repetition. Between this kind of thing and OMGWTFBBQ!! internet/text speech English will be unrecognizable in a few short years.

This is proof to me Darwin was wrong. There are far too many people like this who are not culled for natural selection to be true.