This Week In Layoffs: 03.21.09
[Ed. note: Above the Law has teamed up with Law Shucks. Law Shucks has done excellent work translating all of the layoff news into user-friendly charts and graphs: the Layoff Tracker.]
For the first time this year, we had three consecutive business days without any major firms announcing layoffs. As in Erich Maria Remarque’s novel, though, the individual suffering continues even as the “big picture” is unremarkable.
The layoff-free streak ended on Wednesday, when Chicago’s Jenner & Block laid off 34 staff.
The major announcement of the week was the long-anticipated layoff at Katten Muchin, where a total of 69 - 12 associates, seven non-equity partners, four other attorneys, six paralegals and 40 staff members - were fired. The firm is offering associates an interesting choice: one month’s severance, or sign a separation agreement and receive three months’ pay. Income partners get six months’ severance with the separation agreement. Those who remain are facing pay cuts of up to 20%, depending on billables.
All in all, though, this week was a major pullback from prior weeks. “Only” 158 people were laid off from major firms - just about 10% of last week’s 1,477. The first two weeks of the month were also significantly higher: 1,132 for the week ended March 6 and even the 560 for the week ended February 27. Still it was just enough to put March ahead of February as the worst month on record: 2,937 to 2,782 for total layoffs. February is still worse for attorneys laid off: 1,121 to 1,059.
After the jump, the firms’ ameliorative and prospective attempts to deal with the situation.
News of layoffs continues to trickle in from smaller firms, including Field Fisher Waterhouse, a UK firm that is now on its third round of layoffs - seven more attorneys, on top of the 42 staff and attorneys previously fired. Still, the beginning of the week was a welcome reprieve from seemingly incessant layoff announcements.
Interestingly, this week two firms fessed up to prior stealth layoffs: Clifford Chance confirmed that it fired 35 support staff in New York in December, 2008 and Manatt Phelps & Phillips acknowledged that it had engaged in stealth layoffs of 47 people - 12 attorneys, three paralegals, and 32 administrative staff. We commend the firms on the full, albeit belated, disclosure.
Speaking of Clifford Chance, even the partners aren’t safe there: they’re voting to make it easier to eliminate underperformers. Apparently, proponents of the measure think all (or more than half) the partners consider themselves to be in the top half. Interesting math.
Last week, California was the hotbed of activity; this week it’s Chicago. Sidley Austin laid off 229 last week, then Katten Muchin and Jenner & Block as described above, and on Friday, Mayer Brown (which laid off 33 associates and “some support and administrative staff” in November) announced redundancy consultations with up to 55 lawyers and staff in London.
Of the other major Chicago firms:
- Baker & McKenzie has laid off 116 in four tranches,
- Kirkland & Ellis cut loose 15-25 non-equity partners in January,
- McDermott Will & Emery has laid off a total of 178 (83 lawyers) - most notably 149 total in early February,
- Schiff Hardin laid off 11 staff in February, and
- Seyfarth Shaw had separate waves of 30 attorneys in December and 25 staff in January.
By our non-Chicago-practicing assessment, that leaves Locke Lord and Winston & Strawn as the major Chicago firms with no announced layoffs. In total, Chicago firms have laid off approximately 800 people.
We reported two weeks ago that Manatt was one of the few California firms that hadn’t fired anyone. As we mentioned above, they have come clean but are now scratched off the California no-layoff list. Los Angeles peer Paul Hastings has not been so forthcoming - rumors of stealth layoffs in Atlanta and Los Angeles abound. Also, as a commenter pointed out, we should include Munger Tolles & Olsen with Gibson Dunn, Irell & Manella, and Quinn Emanuel as the major California firms that haven’t had layoffs.
But layoffs might not even make financial sense. The Project for Attorney Retention claims its numbers prove that “flexible downsizing with balanced hours may save as much or more than layoffs. Flexible downsizing also helps firms retain their investment in high-performing attorneys and avoid certain legal risks.”
If the Project for Attorney Retention is right, and layoffs are the wrong solution, what should the firms do?
Countless firms are delaying start dates into 2010, offering incoming and existing associates a stipend to work at a public-interest agency, and other methods. Equal Justice Works cautions that care should be taken in transitioning (temporarily or otherwise) from BigLaw to public interest.
Atlanta’s Morris, Manning & Martin is trying a particularly frightening method: laying people off before they’ve even started. The firm has canceled its incoming and summer classes - leaving six third years looking for work in a not-so-good market and nine second years trying to replace summer employment. That’s the same thing Luce Forward did last month - revoked its offers to those who were in last summer’s program and those coming in this year. Texas firm Winstead has also canceled its summer program.
Professor Peter Capelli of Wharton says pay cuts make more sense because of the absence of severance payments and the reduced risk of litigation. His numbers don’t quite add up, though: a 5% pay cut only reduces base comp (which is not the full cost to the firm of the employee), while a 5% layoff reduces the total cost of the terminated employee (but adds in the severance cost, so maybe he thinks that’s a wash). Assuming those numbers are close, though, there’s a compelling case to be made when the effects on morale and ability to scale back up are factored into the equation.
The other strategy being discussed is ending lockstep salaries. Bloomberg calls the model ‘Medieval’ and says Orrick, Shearman and WolfBlock are among the firms going to a more performance-based pay system.
Of course, some people aren’t taking things too badly. A former Cadwalader attorney claims he knows people who have been partying it up since being laid off.
All in all, a relatively (key adverb here) quiet week. At major firms,
For the week, 158 layoffs (48 lawyers, 110 staff)
For the month, 2,937 (1,059 lawyers, 1,878 staff)
For the calendar year, 7,259 (2,874 lawyers, 4,385 staff)
As always, there is further supporting information on the Layoff Tracker and methodology on the series’ home at Law Shucks.




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SECOND for the FIRST TIME!!!! and all sweaty from the gym too!!
when will the NYC firms start announcing layoffs?
Who's lawshucks?
"The firm is offering associates an interesting choice: one month's severance, or sign a separation agreement and receive three months' pay. Income partners get six months' severance with the separation agreement"
ROFL. This must be designed to prevent lawsuits. Only a COMPLETE MORON of a lawyer would sign it for a measily 2 months.
5: I hope you're flaming.
Most of the agreements just want you to release the firm from claims against it. The choice normally,however, is 3 months severance or NO severance. You got to be a complete idiot NOT to sign it. In this market, you're going to need those three months of pay. Plus, any associate knows they'll never bring a law suit against a firm, or else they can kiss their chances of landing another gig at any other firm goodbye. So, really, you're choosing between $40k-50k or nothing. Not a hard choice.
I'd say 99% of the firms have such agreements. Part of the agreement, however, is to keep the existence of such agreement confidential.
Winston did a massive stealth purge after "Reviews" in Jan.-Feb. Included partners and associates. About 100 total and they have the end of April to leave.
I would be shocked if there isn't a big "open" layoff in the next month or two. Expect another 100 or so people.
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Dewey & LeBoeuf will be laying off 100+ associates by the end of the month.
kenyon & kenyon had another round of layoffs last tuesday. you heard it here first.
Sullivan & Cromwell will lay off about 50 next week. Or not.
#7 - what are you hearing about incoming 1st yr associates at W&S? any chance of a delayed start date?
What's going on at Milbank?
no one cares about milbank, get a grip.
Everyone please join me in a moment of silence for the 1st years who got Lathamed this week.
milbank just fired . . . EVERYONE
12 week summer still going on at Milbank.
ouch.
Can't speak for certain about what's happening at Dewey Leboeuf, but their LA firm softball team, which finished in first place during the regular season, was dropped from the playoffs because so many players "were no longer with the firm" that they couldn't field a team.
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11 - any more info on Kenyon?
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Is Kenyon & Kenyon still a law firm?
What's going on at Skadden as a result of the departure of the high profiled DC partners? Are DC associates thinking about lateraling? Good luck to everyone affected.
Winston hasn't done layoffs??
"The winston.com Web site is undergoing routine maintenance and will be back online shortly."
25--where are the associates going to lateral to? There may be a few openings in some boutiques and smaller firms, but their chances of latching on with another BigLaw firm are almost as good as hitting the Powerball jackpot.
Well said 28. You don't lateral in this market. You go to a different firm for less pay b/c its better than losing your job completely. That is...if you can find a firm that's hiring at less pay.
Winston's Los Angeles office (so far) has let go of three floater secretaries and seven to eight attorneys. More to come.
Kirkland & Ellis's Los Angeles office has rumors of staff lay offs this summer, meanwhile attorneys just seem to disappear, one by one.....
30 -- Really? Why don't they come out and just announce this.
If W&S doesn't have another big layoff before this summer, then they will definitely no offer a substantial portion of the summers and will pull in-coming summers offers. Now that Sidley has done a dump, it's game on.
Has any firm other than LATHAM NY CUT MORE THAN HALF THEIR FIRST YEAR CLASS?
33- I believe Proskauer Rose has cut over half of its first years between their two rounds of layoffs (December and March).
What's this news about Kenyon? Details?
33: Proskauer Rose.
21 = cutting insight!
Any news about Howrey? My friend, who works there, thinks layoffs are around the corner. Things in the DC office are very slow, including IP.
Hunton & Williams is planning big layoff in week ahead. The firm has been laying off PARTNERS in stealth moves during the past two months and a firm-wide meeting is scheduled for this week. Expect big staff cuts since those attorneys are no longer around. This is in the Dallas office.
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Hey 7: you sound like someone I fucked up the ass in my office, you jerked off after I unloaded in your ass, no?
I'm a dealbreaker reader, what is the difference between a partner and an income partner?
How they cope with layoffs in China
http://www.network54.com/Forum/233672/thread/1237735022/last-1237736946/Awww%21++Chinese+police+woman+saves+teenage+girl
I heard rumors of layoffs at Skadden, with a particular focus on the bloated first and second year corporate classes.
No one cares about staff layoffs except staff.
Abovethelaw.com should be for LAWYERS, not secretaries/paralegals/janitors.
Anyone who says otherwise is staff or just trying to be politically correct.
"In total, Chicago firms have laid off approximately 800 people."
Why are the people that write these articles so stupid? Every article written about a Chicago firm is painstakingly written to make it appear that any layoffs they have done, regardless of where, is related to the Chicago market.
Sidley, Mayer, et al., have laid people off for sure, but NOT ALL THE LAYOFFS WERE IN THE CHICAGO OFFICE, IDIOTS. The fact that the firm is based in Chicago has absolutely no relevance to the Chicago market in the absence of any proof as such; layoffs in the NY office would probably have something to do with the NY market, dontcha think? Same for London. Etc...
I don't really care about Chicago that much, other than it's a nice place to visit, but incipient garbage journalism really gets to me.
This post concludes, "All in all, a relatively (key adverb here) quiet week."
It's getting to be late March now. Maybe firms are merely waiting to see their Q1 numbers before deciding on a fresh round of lay-offs?
Rumors at milbank going around that they plan on cutting 1/3 of the incoming class this week. Stay tuned ATL....this will be huge.
If firms are doing across the board cuts...say 8% of all associates, and your largest office is in Chicago. Chances are the Chicago office will be hardest hit
49,
Unless you have 50 associates doing real estate securitization in your NY office and 4 in Chicago.
So, no supposed elite firms besides LATHAM (haha, not elite anymore) has cut MORE THAN HALF OF THEIR FIRST YEAR CLASS.
Why was LATHAM NY hiring so much in fall 2007 just to completely MASSACRE their class of 2008?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Elie, get an interview with Bob Dell and Dave Gordon setup. You should interview some of the laid off Latham NY first years. Many to choose from!!!
48 - The Milbank Promise remains in effect, until proven otherwise.
34 and 36, so LaTTTham's peer firm is now Proskauer?
Bravo LaTTTham.
Latham fired more than half the first year class in NY!!??
HOLY MAAARY MOTHER OF GOOOOOOD!!!! WHYYYY LATHAAAAAM WHYYYYYYY????!!!!
54, more than half the class!!!???
OHHH DEEEEAARRRR GOOOD THE HUMANITY!!!! THEY HUMANITY!!!!!!!
The real question now is, why would anyone with more than one offer ever go to Latham NY again? Prestige points don't pay the student loans if you have more than a 50% chance of getting axed after several months of work.
Hey 10, I'm not sure where you got your numbers re: D&L, but I've been led to believe that layoffs will hit over 200 associates.
If stealth layoff are working for you why would you have a mass layoff? Wouldn't you just keep laying off "stealth style"? So what if it is overf 200 attorneys and staff, if it is working, why change?
Any information on whether Gibson Dunn will be rescinding offers for incoming associates?
Prokauer Rose was doomed when it merged with Mudge Rose.
When I think Volkswagen, I think safety.
When I think Latham, I think massacring 1st year associates.
59, Gibson is in relatively great shape in this economy. There are loads of laid off and surviving Latham 1st years who'd give their right ass cheek to be there right now.
Come on kids, no need to keep piling on Latham.
Everyone knows Latham has been the layoff king for 20 years already. It's their whole business model, staff up hugely during each boom and fire en masse during the following downturn. If you go there, you go in knowing that (or if not, an abject moron I guess).
It's especially nice how they make sure hundreds are fired for "performance" reasons now though, so that if I see an application from a former Latham attorney, I must now assume they were a poor performer. (After all, no doubt that some of the "performance" firings were legit, and I have no way to tell the difference, so I have to assume that everyone they fired was a problem.)
Latham & Watkins - Leading BigLaw in layoffs (hereafter known as Latham-offs), pay cuts, and douchebaggery for two decades and into the new millennium.
Any news about Baker & McKenzie and the rumored closing of its offices? The San Diego office lost one of its IP partners a few weeks back, and rumor has it that the former managing partner and current partner of the litigation practice will retire at the end of the firm's fiscal year. That will for sure be the end of the litigation group in San Diego, as there is no litigation partner even remotely close to filling his shoes.
There have yet to be any posts based upon Florida firm Holland & Knight having a huge partner party/get together in Orlando, despite laying off tons of good people several weeks ago. There is a huge story here people
what is this milbank promise? They will lay off just like everyone else and if you think otherwise you are retarded.
63, has Latham in the past fired more than half their 1st years? I thought this was a new low for Latham, but I'm not an old and can't say for sure.
maybe firing more than half their 1st years is just business as usual for Latham.
Latham & Watkins
Job security of an I-Bank, Pay of a law firm.
And no joke, 40% of associates at Latham NY have been canned the the 2 rounds of layoffs. More than half of the 1st year class was thrown out.
Cravath are forcing out a significant number of mid level associates (primarily 4th and 5th years) basically by telling them that their time is up. No severance, no formal lay-off and not even a real dismissal, just a strong indication that they should leave now or their life will be made "very difficult".
69, i'd rather be pushed out of cravath as a mid-level than get Lathamed as a first year.
Fried Frank buzz - more layoffs this week.
35 - pretty sure that was just another ATL troll, haven't heard anything out of Kenyon about layoffs
I was doing a couple of lines in the bathroom stall when the partners were making rounds to spread the bad news to the associates.
Little known fact:
The characters in the movie Boiler Room were based on real life Latham associates. Especially Vin Diesel's character.
Can anyone confirm 69's comment re Cravath?
i hrd rumors of the cravath thing but thats the first details ive seen.
75, are you clueless? Cravath and other firms have been doing that for decades. It's called the up or out business model.
75 and 76 are some damn morons. There's an entire wikipedia article about htis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitality_curve
Latham (verb) - to ruthlessly fire a majority of one's first year associates in a given office.
Example: Despite being in the top third of my class at a T10 law school, my law firm Lathamed me and left me with a soul-crushing amount of debt and little hope of ever paying it off.
boo hoo 79. Welcome to the world of 80% of graduates.
Any more information on the cravath rumors above?? That's horrible.
81, are you a f*cking moron?
There's no rumor regarding Cravath's "up or out" business model. You would have to be an ignoramous not to know about that. All biglaw firms do it, and they do it more than anyone. What the heck do you think the "Cravath model" means?
There are some true imbeciles on this forum.
Winston (Chicago) associate headcount Feb. 2008 (from NALP): 259
Plus summer 2007 incoming class: ~30
= 289
Winston Chicago headcount today (from website): 219
A difference of: 70 associates.
Hello!
***Hellooooooooooo***
(the second one is the echo)
79, if you are single, grow a pair. You probably have less than 150k in student loans. You just got an 80k severance.
You can pay that shit off in 30 years working at Blockbuster. (Yes, I know your severance is not lump-sum, yes I know it will be taxed).
In the event that you have a wife and kids to support, I am less annoyed with you. But if she can work, you will survive this.
65 -- What is the source of your information about a H&K partner retreat?
83, stop being so insensitive. Lathaming more than half your first years is a very Latham thing to do to a person. Those who have been Lathamed have every right to feel upset and I encourage them to let it out on here.
79, you have my sympathy.
79, 83 forgot to add in your 30k income from 2L summer.
150k student loans
-80k severance
-15k savings from 2L summer
-10k savings from before getting laid off
_______
45k to pay off over 30 years.
So, unless you bought a bunch of crap on credit when you could have been putting a dent in your debt (or even just putting money in the bank), it looks like you got a T10 magna cum laude law degree for the low, low cost of 45k. Unless I'm way, way off on something, most Latham first-years have not had their lives completely destroyed.
Damn, a lot of you sound like whiny bitches I fucked up the ass in my office
82 is the moron who doesn't understand the meaning of the word "significant." Cravath telling a fifth year its time to move on is no big deal. Cravath telling a significant number of fifth years is, unless it typically recruits poor performers and keeps them around for 5 years for s--ts and giggles. You can't have it both ways.
86, after taxes the severance is half of that. and you're conveniently forgetting living expenses. try again
79, you should add this to Latham's wiki
82, Your the moran! Firms don't lay off lawyers unless their is a recession because there always profitable. Any one who really wants too could make partner at the firm in a good time, they just choose to go inhouse or work at a boutique instead for life style rasins.
"Unless I'm way, way off on something,"
Yeah the fact that you didn't include taxes, notwithstanding 83 mentioned it earlier. Are you too dumb to follow the logic spelled out for you earlier?
89, You are right about the taxes, but it won't be half. And, lving expenses can be taken care of by any 40/hr a week job that pays at least $15 bucks an hour (or any 60 hour a week job that pays $10/hr).
93, who is hiring? you concede that such a job will take at least a few months to get don't you? do you understand this economy?
Do you understand that most of the laid off 1st years were in NYC and will have to pay handsomely to break their leases? NYC rent has tanked since the 1st years started and they're not going to be able to find subletters to pay what they were paying.
89 - that's because he lives with his parents.
94 - The Lathamed Latham 1st years could sublet to Latham 2L summers. Problem solved.
83, those numbers for Winston are shocking. But if they're right, why haven't there been any stories discussing the attrition?
93 is a heartless douche.
do you have any idea what it's like to be lathamed at this point in your career?
do you know what it's like to tell the family and friends who were so proud of you that you've been lathamed?
have a heart asshole.
96-That is the kind of thinking outside the box I like to see.
96, why would Latham 2Ls sublet at above market prices?
PLUS, there are more Lathamed 1st year associates in NY than there are summer associates, if you can believe that!! + 30 vs ~25
93, have you ever had to go home and tell your mother that you've been Lathamed, and see the disappointment and sadness in her tearfilled eyes?
how can you be so cruel?
Call it The Year of the Living Dead Partners.
Zombie Partners are shambling down the halls of every mismanaged firm in America - again. Will they eat their firms alive? Which firms have the will to confront them?
Further dispatches from the zombie apocalypse to follow.
98, you are right, and I apologize for being insensitive. From a prestige/career/lifestyle perspective, a laid-off Latham first year just took a terrible, terrible hit.
I was trying to make the point that, with a hard work, the "soul-crushing debt" that a commenter here loves to complain about is possible to overcome. If that guy finds any satisfaction in any job, legal or not, outside of Biglaw, his life is not over.
Again, I realize that it sucks. But a lot of people with that much debt and no Biglaw or even mid-Law have lived satisfying lives that their friends and family are proud of. Best of luck to everyone.
86/93
lol 102, please continue this schtick
Prediction for next week: the DOW will drop below 7,000 and more firms will do layoffs and defer start dates.
Stay tuned, more good times to come!
Where is Partner Emeritus? Is he dead?
I think partner emiritus is not zombie law partner
I think partner emiritus is now zombie law partner
83, those numbers are shocking.
Is there anyone who can tell us when the inevitable is coming to Fried Frank? With every other law firm laying off, we're one of the only ones left that hasn't done it yet. The stress is killing me. Just get it over with.
F*CK ALL OF YOU AND THIS THREAD.
I'VE BEEN GROWING A BEARD OVER SPRING BREAK. CAN ANYONE TEACH ME HOW TO GROOM IT?
109,
I don't know if the NALP numbers are wrong or what else is making that disparity so large. It does not look like the reduction in associate numbers can be explained away by a siginificant number of associate promotions to partnership.
NALP Partner count Feb 2008: 198
Website Partner count today: 187
It looks like more "out" than "up."
Do you guys think there will be any law firm layoff induced murder? Like, some former employee gets pissed off and go back to the office and shoot the partners? People do crazy shit during tough times, you know.
113, yes. it'll probably happen after several more months though as the layoffees continue to fail to find jobs. i think it will be murder-suicide though, because ex-biglaw lawyers won't want to continue living after losing everything.
Note: i in no way advocate that anyone do this and i believe that murder is wrong. i am simply saying that i think someone is going to snap under the stress at some point. thousands of biglawyers have been laid off in a terrible economy that can't possibly absorb them all.
These are irresponsible things to be discussing, as irresponsible as urging people who say they are suicidal to kill themselves, which I have also seen on this site.
110 - the way I see it is that only 1 or 2 major NYC firms have done big layoffs (White & Case, Proskauer, Latham if you count it) so others are reluctant until it becomes so commonplace that their announcements get lost in the white noise.
Remember Simpson and Skadden are offering deferments instead of layoffs.
115, shut the fuck up with your moralizing. No one has told anyone to do anything. People are going to have these thoughts whether we talk about it or not. The layoff and inability to find a job are the stressors, not ATL.
If Dewey were to lay off 200 associates, wouldn't that be around (or maybe even more than) 25%?
115 = Idiot
Has there been any more layoff news from Reed Smith?
Is it true re Dewey layoffs coming? Or is it just the harbinger of fun....spreading rumors to worry the masses?
Is it true re Dewey layoffs coming? Or is it just the harbinger of fun....spreading rumors to worry the masses?
Is it true re Dewey layoffs coming? Or is it just the harbinger of fun....spreading rumors to worry the masses?
65 & 84: I too can confirm an Holland & Knight partner retreat last week in Orlando. 100% sure. Maybe $1M in expenses at the very least (a month after huge layoffs - I know they didn't stay at Motel 6)...
112, do you know if there are other firms with similar numbers?
117, 119
Like many of the potty-mouthed children posting on this site, you are immature idiots.
If I were a client reading this site generally, I would be horrified to discover the lack of judgment prevalent among attorneys I was paying hundreds of dollars an hour for. (Just another reason, in their minds, to go find non-BigLaw attorneys to handle their work...)
But go ahead, prove my point with your responses.
-115
Also, those W&S numbers from the web site include people who were shit canned during this round of stealth layoffs. From the memo I saw, it was ~20-25 people in Chicago.
126/115 - please, please go walk in front of a bus. Important clients (who can afford it) will not risk their asses on non-BigLaw hacks.
115/126 - What are you trying to say? That we are advocating retaliation against your former employer by violence? Post #113 was only a legitimate question and was in no way endorsing that kind of behavior.
115/126 - What are you trying to say? That we are advocating retaliation against your former employer by violence? Post #113 was only a legitimate question and was in no way endorsing that kind of behavior.
115 / 126 = Eliot Spitzer
This won't be news to anyone reading this, but as a recent layoffee, I can confirm that the job market truly sucks right now. The two recruiters I've been in touch with (including one who managed to help me get 4 offers from 6 interviews in late summer 2007) have basically said, "Good luck. Apply on your own to whatever you can find. [?] No firms are paying recruiter fees."
Posted in-house jobs are getting hundreds of resumes. Firms (even ones with well-reported mass layoffs) are getting "a dozen a day" according to a firm recruiter friend.
Good luck, all. Pray (even if not religious) for a very quick market turn-around.
There are too many fat, dumb and useless partners who have absolutely no skills, charge $650/hour and hide behind their associates in fear that one day the world will find out the truth. Even worse are the originating partners who can barely form complete sentences let alone read an agreement or draft a motion. The tide that elevated all lawyers in the 90's and early 00's has put too many idiot partners at the top of a pyramid scheme. The smart founding partners are long gone and don't care because they have been clipping their 5% management fee for decades all at the expense of greedy associates who were promised a career but have now found themselves thrown out on the street after years of hard work and dedicating their nights and weekends to their jobs. What do they have to show for it? Nothing.
Take this opportunity to free yourself and break the chains from big law. It will never ever be the same. The days of big bonuses, high salaries and huge marketing departments are over. Why? Because corporations are never ever going to pay the exorbitant fees big law firms have been charging for mediocre work by partners who no absolutely nothing. All this excess cash for legal fees was trickling down from big banks that could care less about how much their legal bills were so long as they were making big money. Those days are over and are never coming back.
You'd be better off being an ice cream man than a glorified paper jockey.
Hogs get slaughtered.
Wow, those numbers are staggering!
Wow, those numbers are staggering!
Wow, those numbers are staggering!
Wow, those numbers are staggering!
Don't you people know that Latham is a well diversified law firm??!!!
Damn straight. I hear Sutherland is representing AIG. How long before the outrage over AIG hits the law firms too?
Can someone tell me whether or not those numbers staggering?
The Legal Intelligencer is reporting that WolfBlock will take dissolution vote to the partnership as early as tomorrow:
http://www.law.com/jsp/pa/PubArticlePA.jsp?id=1202429285492
can't read the article.
wolfblock is toast.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20090323_Critical_meeting_for_Wolf_Block.html
Anyone keeping score?
@143, if they do mostly real estate and bond work, no surprise they're on the ropes.
Once the Q1 numbers are in, more firms will realize that even their conservative budgets based on 4Q 2008 are way off. This will leave firms with a choice: announce yet another round of layoffs (a disaster for morale) or more "performance-based" layoffs. Depending upon which firm you're at, you may have a sense as to which option your firm is likely to take.
Also, note that most firms will not wish to wait until the end of 2Q because that's when the summer associates (assuming the program is still up and running) will be at the firm. Those poor kids are already going to be under an enormous amount of stress. Nothing like some ongoing departures to really boost morale. So, my guess is that firms will try to do enough "rightsizing" before their arrival.
After 2Q numbers come out and collections have gone to shit, expect some more "performance-based dismissals" before the new class starts in the fall (that is, if they still have jobs and their start dates have not been pushed back to 2010).
Finally, at the end of the year (assuming your firm is still in business), those firms that have moved back start dates are either going to have push back those dates even further, fire the incoming class or engage in more staff reductions.
In short, when it comes to layoffs, it's more likely the case we're at the end of the beginning rather than the beginning of the end.
Nobody is immune. If you're a non-equity partner with no book, get ready to take it in the dirt chute sans lube. If you're in a low-margin practice area, now might be a good time to invest in a shingle--preferably one with your new firm's name on it.
If you're an associate, all I can say is that I wish you the best of luck. If you've been in BigLaw for some time and are worried about losing your job and having to do something different, ask yourself just what it is exactly that you've accomplished in all of your time toiling away in the bowels of your large law firm, and who is it exactly that you've helped with all of your training and study. If your only response is earning money, then maybe (to echo an earlier post) now is the time to break free and do something different.
"Troutman Sanders said Friday that the firm will lay off associates and offer staff a voluntary buyout, which is likely to be followed by a layoff. The 778-lawyer firm also has pushed back the start date for its 2009 first-year associates to January and shaved two weeks off its summer associate program."
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202429276029
"DLA Piper informed all U.S. partners Friday it will reduce pay for most of them by 11.5 percent in 2009, while strong performers will get more money. The firm projects revenue will decline 7 percent in 2009 and profits will drop 6 percent, according to its U.S. managing partner."
http://www.law.com/jsp/law/index.jsp
Re DLA Piper:
Revenues projected to decline only 7% for 2009 (profits down 6%). That's pretty solid for the worst global recession in 50 years--and coming off a bubble year to boot.
What law firm crisis?
Very interesting commentary, 145.
But I detect some disapproval of associates' choice to work at big law firms after law school and for a significant number of years. You seem to overlook the fact that it takes years of apprenticeship to learn to practice law. That needs to be done somewhere. Associates can't so easily just set up their own shop - they don't yet have the skills and experience.
Also, aren't you maybe exaggerating the economic difficulties of law firms during these times. Just look at DLA's forecast for '09 - not too shabby.
Lat = bad luck and market franzy. Good news every once in a while?
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/41665632.html
Another one bites the dust...
38, I have heard the same about Howrey. Seems their folks have been remarkably tight-lipped compared to associates from other firms, though. Does your friend think the layoffs will be stealth or open?
149--
The DLA number is only a projection. Given the recent announcements regarding reductions in partner compensation and the like, I am not sure how accurate any projections are likely to be. Also, note that firms are trying to put the best spin possible in the numbers they release in order to continue to attract partners with books of business to join their firms. The firm may have projections that fall within a certain range, and the drop in revenue/profits they're projecting may be on the more favorable end of that range.
With respect to your comments regarding the training needed to get up to speed in certain practice areas, I agree with you to a point; but, there are associates and counsel out there who have that training and can probably start up today if they have the capital on hand. Freshly minted grads may be able to start their own shops doing DUI's, slip and fall, etc. Just saying.
Any truth to the rumor that EAPD is doing a major lawyer layoff this week? If yes, does anyone have any details (e.g. whether partners will be included, which years, etc.)?
113 et seq. - I sure hope so. I, for one, would like to come right out and advocate violence against the partners who fired first years so that they could keep their 4th homes.
Our society really needs some good old fashioned vigilantism to keep those on the top tier of the income spectrum in line. Since it has now become de rigueur for people in positions of wealth and power in our society to abuse it and steal even more, and the government, rather than stopping these people, even a little, encourages it because those are the same people who fund campaigns (see, e.g., appt. of Thomas Donilon as Deputy National Security Adviser notwithstanding having led the attempt to cover up large scale Fannie Mae accounting fraud), one of the few things that might help is if some of the responsible people are slaughtered in their homes and offices by the people they've hurt. The Wall St. executives collecting seven and eight figure bonuses from taxpayer money after running their own companies and our entire economy into the ground should be murdered. They deserve no less. The rich partners rescinding offers they made to graduating law students, having people give up other opportunities which have now passed - murdered. No one is going to stop them from abusing their power unless YOU DO. In the words of an inspired ATL poet, Kill The Partners.
113 et seq. - I sure hope so. I, for one, would like to come right out and advocate violence against the partners who fired first years so that they could keep their 4th homes.
Our society really needs some good old fashioned vigilantism to keep those on the top tier of the income spectrum in line. Since it has now become de rigueur for people in positions of wealth and power in our society to abuse it and steal even more, and the government, rather than stopping these people, even a little, encourages it because those are the same people who fund campaigns (see, e.g., appt. of Thomas Donilon as Deputy National Security Adviser notwithstanding having led the attempt to cover up large scale Fannie Mae accounting fraud), one of the few things that might help is if some of the responsible people are slaughtered in their homes and offices by the people they've hurt. The Wall St. executives collecting seven and eight figure bonuses from taxpayer money after running their own companies and our entire economy into the ground should be murdered. They deserve no less. The rich partners rescinding offers they made to graduating law students, having people give up other opportunities which have now passed - murdered. No one is going to stop them from abusing their power unless YOU DO. In the words of an inspired ATL poet, Kill The Partners.
DISCLAIMER: I may or may not be required by law to tell you not to kill them even if I and millions of other people think you should and even if our society will clearly benefit from it.
I'm putting a shout out to my fellow layoff-ees - when you were axed, did your firm pay you for accrued but unused sick days? Mine didn't even though I asked - twice. No explanation but they did pay me for accrued and unused vacation. My reading of California law is sick pay, like vacation pay, is a form of deferred compensation that an employer is required to pay upon dismissal.
Has anyone come up against this issue? Am I missing something here? I need the severance so I'm not going to raise it with my former firm until my last paycheck clears. For the most part, I'm okay with the layoff - wasn't really working out for me there anyway - but I have 32 days accrued and that is another month's salary. I'm not rich enough to kiss off $13K.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated
ATL - please remove some of these sick comments. We all have enough problems without posters on your site recommending that distraught laid off attorneys shoot up their offices.
157 - I'm also in CA. I didn't get anything other than salary and a brief continuation of benefits. I waived my rights to accrued sick days, vacation days, etc. in the termination agreement.
159
Thanks. My severence agreement did not have any such language (although I am going to scour it again for good measure). They also did not require me to sign a release - which is strange.
Thanks again for the info. best of luck.
The Milbank Promise is to do everything in its power to keep the ignorant gunner a-holes posting on this thread off its payroll. Thought you fools would stop after 1L...
Any more information on the rumored Holland & Knight retreat reported above? What about the extreme Winston attrition also reported above?
I don't know if anyone cares, but I'd suggest looking at federal law jobs. usajobs.gov. I worked at Simpson NYC, went to regional firm, got laid off, now I'm at a DoD agency in the heartland. For where I live my salary goes incredibly far, the work is much more interesting than the regional firm, and I am home every day at 5:10.
38 and 152 - have you guys heard anything further about Howrey?