Simpson is Sept, Oct, and Nov.

We cannot forward an email because it is only on the website and I'm too lazy to make a screen shot.

Finally some of you are opening your eyes as to how the business of law firms work. Akin's salary boost is illusory as few if any of their associates will bill the amount of hours to qualify for the increase. Akin's raise is akin to my offering full equity partnership to any associate that will bill 5,000 hours in one year. It won't happen. This reminds me of the times I have had to write off 10 hours from an associates' annual tally just to disqualify him from a different tiered bonus. Enjoy the salary increase Gumpers.
On the subject of illusory packages, I am disheartened by the lack of sincerity in some of the deferral starting programs. It's a cold offer. It is a a strong hint that the firm hopes that you will go away as your limited skills begin to wither by being idle. If and when the economy recovers (I may be six feet under by then), the firms will hire 3Ls and leave you folks in the cold. If given a severance, take the money and hang a shingle, or go to Brazil and live like a king for a year before bowing out to a life of abject poverty.

Proskauer is still not on this list. THIS IS DISTURBING!!!!!

Proskauer is messing around

Sidley Austin: November 2 or November 16 - all offices

Wasn't Skadden one of the first big firms to offer a deferral date? How is that missing?

It's spelled 'Willkie'. Are you sure Elie didn't write this post?

Does Paul, Weiss have a start date, or are they fucking around, too? What about S&C? Davis, Polk?

Good summary. Good job ATL

I'll spend my time looking for the ellusive firm that might be hiring first years in order to hedge against the uncertainty with my current offer. If something came up, which it won't, I just might take it over my current deferred offer. Beyond that, I'll probably be looking for volunteer opportunities -- it seems a better choice than working at Starbucks -- and keeping my fingers crossed that I do actually start at some point in time.

Still no word from Winston & Strawn?

How are firms deciding who gets deferred and who gets to start on time? Is is mostly a volunteer thing or are they picking out the weak associates?

DPW's start dates are the same as every other year; staggered between Sept, Oct and Nov.

Still no word from Winston & Strawn.

no word from schulte

ATL should start listing major firms (100+ incoming associates) that haven't announced yet.

Time to call them out by name.

Does anyone know what kinds of strings are attached to these deferral stipends? For example, if you are being offered $75K to defer until January 2011, and then you end up joining another firm in the interim, will you have to repay that $75K?

This list, while not complete, is a very helpful service.

It is useful not just to recruits, but also to law firms. We want to know what our competitors are doing, but we can't talk about it for antitrust reasons.

THANK YOU ATL.

We now know the top NYC law firms are: Cleary, Cravath, Debevoise, Skadden, Wachtell, and Willkie.

Katten Chicago?
Katten NY/LA?

What about V&E? Are they still in September!?!?

17- The list of firms that have not announced strart dates:

Davis Polk
Paul Weiss
Proskauer
Sidley Austin
Schulte
Winston & Strawn

still nothing from steptoe

S & C has an October 5 start date for all offices. Why this is not in the list is beyond me-- it's not a secret.

GOODWIN??!?!?!??!!

23 -- that list is wrong.

S & C has an October 5 start date for all offices. Why this is not in the list is beyond me-- it's not a secret.

Umm, you just posted Mayer Brown's start date last Friday. January 19, 2010 for most, with a few starting earlier.

Mayer Brown (DC) - Jan 2010

20 - was that a joke? enjoy your upcoming summer at willkie

With a 6 month, non-compensated "vacation" after the bar... I plan on growing a mustache and starring (or acting as a supporting actor) in low budget porn films...

Any one hear anything about Jones Day?

Troutman Sanders- Jan. 2010

I will be spending my extra time seeking out sexual relations with the undergrads around campus. This I find to a be an excellent way to pass a few months.

7--

Skadden deferral is voluntary, while the ones on the above list are mandatory. Provided one does not take it, start dates are Oct 14/Nov 4.

Isn't it a little premature to call these "start dates"?

Shouldn't be more like "the dates incoming associates have been deceived into thinking that they are going to start"?

With a 6 month, non-compensated "vacation" after the bar... I plan on growing a mustache and starring (or acting as a supporting actor) in low budget porn films...

Troutman sanders -- January 2019

Jones Day was pushed back to late October/early November.

Skadden is starting Sept 14th in non-NYC offices.

Lowenstein Sandler

Partner Emeritus,

I bet your wife looks like a busted Daytona stripper. It's only a matter of time before true giants like myself replace the deadweight like you. You're fucking out.

- Kenny Powers

Partner Emeritus,

I bet your wife looks like a busted Daytona stripper. It's only a matter of time before true giants like myself replace the deadweight like you. You're fucking out.

- Kenny Powers

When do I start at Wolf Block? For some reason, it's not on the list.

Now word yet on WilmerHale.

No word yet on WilmerHale.

Has anyone heard if Jones Day being doing any layoffs?

There are several comments in the original post giving STB's start dates... how are they not included in this list?

Covington is also missing from that list.

You put Foley & Lardner on the list for at most a one week delay in one office? What a joke.

Michael Best hasn't deferred like Quarles because they won't be around in September 2009.

McGuireWoods - 10% salary cut, Sept 14 start date

where is GDC?
I love those little mo fos!

McGuireWoods - 10% salary cut, Sept 14 start date

#48 wrote: "Has anyone heard if Jones Day being doing any layoffs?

HOW THE HELL DID YOU GET AN OFFER FROM JONES DAY WRITING LIKE THAT? PLEASE ADVISE.

Before ATL existed, there was nobody who was bothering to compile this information. People forget that.

Thanks for the hard work, Kash / Elie / Lat.

Skadden - Aug. 15 start date in NYC.

King & Spalding - Jan 2010 (I think? Was this in another comment thread?)

I hope ATL is sending emails to the HR Departments of ever law firm out there, and not just relying on people to email them tips and post in the comments section...

That's great about Baker Hostetler. I never hear any news about them - good or bad. Seems like it's faring OK?

why does cwt still get a bad rap?

V&E start date is September, but the letter was sent a while ago.

Paul, Weiss is Sept. 14. Also not clear why its not on the list

Paul, Weiss is Sept. 14. Also not clear why it is not on the list

What about Covington and Williams and Connolly?

No word yet on Kirkland.

Its kinda strange that no many how many times people post it, no one seems to listen.

Sidley Austin is Nov 2 or Nov 16, all offices. Confirmed on this site, confirmed by email.

You can also go to lawfirmchaos.blogspot.com for updates about deferrals and other information.

37 - I think they should be called "layoffers"

23: Sidley announced start dates a while back. You read about it on ATL.

I already have a "luxury" beachside bungalow reserved on a small island of the gulf of thailand. a small local-oriented place.. rustic... though the bungalow has a bathroom of its own and amazing views, and is a short walk from several restaurants that are literally on the beach (they have bbq every night under the stars). $10 per night = $300 per month, though actually i get a discount for being long term. $200 per month. I will eat like a king for another $200 per month. Throw in an extra $200 for luxuries... i figure i'll spend my days writing the great american novel on my laptop, in between thai massages and sipping mai thais.

six months is going to FLY by.

Does anyone here know how stipends are taxed? Is it just like employment income?

DPW start dates are in Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec. Months old info so not clear why not included on the list

In Texas the firms that are starting on schedule are:
* Baker Hostetler
* Andrews Kurth
* Bracewell Giuliani
* Vinson and Elkins
* Haynes and Boone

61,

Baker Hostetler laid off some real estate attorneys last year in their Orlando office.

Anyone know about Fish & Richardson?

I heard from a 3L that Jones Day is deferring to December. They received the phone call over 2 weeks. Again, why ATL has somehow failed to get this information is beyond me.

72 -- I hear you. There is a part of me that wishes my firm would offer a deferral with a nice stipend. Life goes by fast, and you won't have another great opportunity to enjoy it for a long time...

I heard from a 3L that Jones Day is deferring to December. They received the phone call over 2 weeks ago. Again, why ATL has somehow failed to get this information is beyond me.

I think it's time to freak out.

I have no dog in this fight, but I just wanted to link to these two comments from the MB post last week, because I hope that they will brighten your day as much as they have brightened mine:

http://abovethelaw.com/2009/04/135_layoffs_mayer_brown.php?show=comments#comment-1002413

http://abovethelaw.com/2009/04/135_layoffs_mayer_brown.php?show=comments#comment-1002805

I am curious, do the stipends come with any corporate benefits?

To make ends meet until january I will be substitute teaching as I only need a college degree. This will earn my j.d. earning ass 86 dollars per day.

51,

The list is about start dates in general, not only delays. Stop freaking out.

Many deferred 3Ls I know are planning on just sticking around the law school for those extra months. While I'm not sure that's the best idea for your career, I'll happily have extra friends around to buy me beer.

any word on kirkland?

Hunton & Williams Jan 2010. Not sure if all offices or just DC.

20: What kind of twisted logic are you using? Or are you just saying "these are the best NY firms because I say so!" For example, Cleary and Cravath are deferring some incoming 3Ls to 2010. On the other hand, CADWALADER is having a normal October start date. So, Cadwalader > Cleary or Cravath by your 'reasoning.'

Trouttman Sanders, Jan 4, No Money except for the 5K advance that was offered before the delay was announced.

Baker Botts is starting no later than November 12 (but no earlier than october 1).

89 -- why do you bother? 20 is obviously retarded...so be kind to the simple person.

WilmerHale - sometime in the fall, delayed a few weeks from other years, but not by months like other firms. Summer program 10 weeks instead of usual 11.

64 -- you must be lying about Paul, Weiss because if ATL doesn't have that start date up on the list, it cannot be true.

What about DLA Piper???? I haven't heard anything from them yet!

Huh, I didn't even know my firm was deferring until I saw this list. Guess they don't bother telling the associates that no one's showing up in the fall...

93 - how do you know about WH?

Any word on Bingham?

NOOO!
We Kill....
We go in....
We Kill!!!!

48 asked whether Jones Day has announced layoffs.

Jones Day will not announce in a transparent fashion. All layoffs are being done in stealth and attributed to annual performance evaluations. Those who have been asked to leave know who they are. Sometimes the word is given subtely, such as by not awarding an annual raise.

Is it still true what they are saying about Paul Hastings?

Just wanted to clarify that White & Case is only offering $75,000 to those deferred people who were able to land a public interest legal position through White & Case, which they determined on a first-come, first-serve basis. If not, all you get is $45,000, regardless of whether you are doing volunteer or community service, or even public interest legal work that you find on your own.

WilmerHale DC - Jan 1, 2010 (per email).

Just wanted to clarify that White & Case is only offering $75,000 to those deferred people who were given a public interest legal position by White & Case, which they determined on a first-come, first-serve basis. If not, all you get is $45,000, regardless of whether you are doing volunteer or community service, or even public interest legal work that you find on your own.

No 3L's at firms that delayed will ever start at firms. Period.

Cahill, anyone?

If true, that's very surprising about Wilmer. I always assumed that Wilmer would have enough work. Prestigious, pretty low leverage, D.C.-based.

These deferrals are, in many cases, extremely unfair to hardworking young lawyers.

Jones Day and stealth layoffs - not surprising.

83, stipends are tax-free. If your firm tries to tax them, they are trying to rip you off, so get ready to get on the phone with your firm's accounting department and scream at them. Make sure to use the words "promissory estoppel" a lot - that's the key to getting them to stop tryin to steal taxes out of your stipend.

Proskauer did send out start dates to incoming associates -- Sept. 22. They sent the email back in January.

Orrick?

So is this list right of the firms that haven't announced?

Davis Polk
DLA Piper
Kirkland
Proskauer
Schulte
Steptoe
Winston & Strawn

Cravath is NOT DEFERRING ANYONE. The firm asked incoming 1st years to submit their preference. If any start date was oversubscribed, that person would start on a newly created start date the next week. Anyone starting in January CHOSE to start in January. I know for FACT that almost everyone who submitted got either the start date they requested or one that was simply the next week.

4/5--I don't have specific information for you but Proskauer already has laid off most of our first years so the firm could be under less pressure than others to defer start dates for 3Ls. My guess, and it's only that, is that the firm is likely to target mid/senior level associates in future layoffs and create greater financial flexibility to absorb those scheduled to start in 2010. Unlike last year, I don't think any offers have been revoked.

Despite the conflicting info on this thread, there's been no official word from WilmerHale re: start dates.

ummmm

Skadden also has a November 2009 date, and asked for a one year deferral...

WHERE DID THE WACHTELL INFO COME FROM??? I know a bunch of people going there and they said they do not have their start date yet.

Also, what the f is Wachtell waiting for re: their financials from last year. I smell trouble.

113

It's good to know that Steptoe is in such prestigious company.

Sorry, 2009.

115

102 - All you get? Although it sucks to be deferred for a year, that's not a bad stipend for doing nothing.

http://lawfirmchaos.blogspot.com/

I wanna buy a vacuum.

115 So what your really saying is that Proskauer, rather than delaying start dates or revoking offers, tells you to come in and then lays you off a week later. Wow. Thats encouraging.

it was reported earlier that jones day pushed back to Oct 26.

I wanna buy a vacuum.

61:

Baker Hostetler seems to be doing well, but I wouldn't be so sure. The Houston office rescinded their under-market clerkship bonus of a friend of mine. Oh, and he was the ONLY clerk starting this fall.

I'm glad I started at a firm before all this crap happened.... if I get let go now, at least I made some real money.

Deferred start date = deferred layoff.

Which firms, if any, are providing health insurance during the period after the original start dates and before the new and improved start dates?

I can confirm, Jones Day firmwide is Oct. 26. This is a week before the "New Lawyers Academy" starts the first week of November, where all new associates from around the world are flown in to DC. This is effectively a 5 week push back.

Foley & Lardner DC is still on for September 8.

OMG, I just say the "indefinitely deferred" firm and almost sh*t my pants

122 - Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying......f-ing douche.

In reality everyone is indefinitely deferred.

Firms have no effing clue what the economy will be like in Jan. 2010, rest assured that if the economy is still in the tank the deferrals will be extended.

$5K a month for Morgan Lewis if you do PI

130,

These actually should all say "indefinitely deferred."

NY to 100k!

Uh...Dow is Up Guy??

Dearest colleagues:

Do not forget the importance of keeping a positive attitude during difficult times.

Your sincere friend,
Former Partner Emeritus

127 - Sidley health insurance starts June 1.

not that it matters that much, but formerly significant boston firm Choate Hall & Stewart froze salaries, pushed the start date to January 2010 and has delayed reviews/bonuses another month.

I wanna buy a vacuum.

As my good friend George Harrison once said, all things must pass. And given that the Dow is up 20% over the last month it is more than clear that the inevitable passing of the recession has taken place. Today's momentary hiccup aside, the Dow will continue its meteoric rise in the months to come, ushering in a new boom era. Firms deferring incoming associates are foolhardy and shortsighted. Mark my words, in several months we will start seeing start dates pushed up instead of pushed back.

50, 66 - word is that Covington is telling its 3Ls to start whenever they want after 9/1. This is apparently how the firm has traditionally approached start dates.

When are the firms giving the money? I think it's crazy how no one has even mentioned the fact that they could be offering us the $75/70/45k, only to rescind our offer and the stipedn - to boooooot!

Could a similar list be compiled and posted for the summer associates tally ... it would be helpful to see how the programs are faring or not.....

Does anyone know how White and Case decided the 60% to defer and the 40% to start earlier?

Could a similar list be compiled and posted for the summer associates tally ... it would be helpful to see how the programs are faring or not.....

When are the firms giving the money? I think it's crazy how no one has even mentioned the fact that they could be offering us the $75/70/45k, only to rescind our offer and the stipedn - to boooooot!

WilmerHale ACTF said delayed start date but not by months. No official date set.

31 = shearman and sterling attorney

122- I don't know who 131 is, but I think the intention may be to provide a more secure (or at least predictable) environment for those scheduled to start in 2009 than the 2008 graduates had., where the layoffs came very quickly (November/December) and aberrationally. That's not to say things will turn out that way as things seem to be getting worse rather than better, but I believe it's the intent and why the firm has been holding off on a decision regarding start dates. That said, I would expect that 3Ls will be hearing in the next couple of weeks.

115

What about Gibson Dunn?

Gibson is November.

Davis Polk has announced.

80, you're right, they are dropping the ball on many a firm.

Do any 3L's actually expect to start in January? Because, if you do, I strongly suggest you start making other arrangements. These firms will continue to defer until you get the point -- which is that you are NOT wanted.

Nice incendiary and completely unsupported remarks, 154. Good to see you're taking out some time from studying for your Property final to flame up the fear mongering.

89: Cleary is not deferring anyone until 2010, unless of course you mean people who are choosing to clerk, as in any other year. Don't know where you got that info.

155 - what exactly will change from September to January? Do the firms expect that all of the bubble credit-related work will magically come back?

All this does is buys the firms time to think about what they will do with the 3L's. But as the language of the deferral emails makes clear, if work doesn't pick up -- which it won't -- nobody will be starting in January.

All you 3Ls should stop freaking out. Last year, my firm didn't give its incoming first years their start dates till July...shortly before the Bar Exam. Its only freaking April right now.

Grant it, the firm ended up pushing the start dates back to January, but that's beside the point. Oh, and then we laid a few of them off shortly after they started in January, but that's beside the point too.

where did this akin info come from? i've heard they're staggering start dates (beginning in Sept), not having everyone start in March...

There have been stealth layoffs at JD

Cleary is not deferring anyone to Jan 2010 - that is merely an option offered that some people choose to take every year because they either are finishing school in the fall semester or they have other plans (a popular reason is that they are getting married in the fall). No one has to wait until January 2010, everyone could start in September if they wanted.

what's the start date for Allen & Overy?

What about the firms that have yet to announce (DLA, Winston & Strawn, Proskauer, Kaye Scholer, etc.)...are these firms in serious trouble or is there a possibility of a fall start date?

Elie - Why do you continue to fail to report on the 3L deferral date for King & Spalding? Are you bed with the salad sisters? Come on, they have deferred to January 2010 with no additional stipend. It totally sucks that those 3L's going to King & Spalding got the cheap-ass Hayes brother. At least Alston Bird gave some help to those they deferred in the tune of $10,000.

157: Who knows what will change from Sept. 2009 to Jan 2010. But I can tell you a hell of a lot changed from Sept 2008 to Jan. 2009. If anything, firms should be applauded for at least hoping that things will get better. The other alternative is just outright cutting the incoming first-years, which I think none of them would appreciate. At least now, they can search for another job knowing they at least have the possibility of starting in January.

144 -- no idea. None of my friends who summered at White & Case ever got any information about why they were chosen or what the process was.

To 140 and all others.

Anyone saying the recession is "over" is an idiot. If you include part-time jobs, the unemployment rate is currently around 13-15%. All those lost jobs account for less consumption in the economy.

While the stock market has begun to recover (it probably has actually reached the bottom) and while the % of unenemployment slide might start to flatten, the lingering effects from all those lost jobs will beleaguer our economy well into 2010.

Furthermore, the fundamental economic decisions of Americans (individuals and corporations) has shifted. Some economists even suggest that the amount of consumption going on in the economy is how it should have been all along before the recession hit. Regarless, people AND corporations will be a lot more prudent with their economic decisions, even after the recession "ends."

Only time will tell whether there has been a permanent change in consumption decisions, or whether we'll revert back to the "American" ways during our boom years. If you recall, older Americans, who were alive during the Great Depression and its after math are VERY prudent with their money, even if they are very wealthy. Its the under 45 generation who helped get us into this mess, and their learning lesson from this "Great Recession" might be to save first, spend later.

Point is, there is no "switch." We'll be suffering fallout from this recession for the next 5 years, maybe permanently.

WILMER HALE?!?!?!?!?!?!

class of 2009 should get over it and just accept its official name in the annals of legal history: "The Lost Generation". The class of 2010 and 2011 are free to live in denial for a year or two, until "The Lost Generation" officially is updated to be known as "The Lost GeneratioS"

Are 3Ls whose firms haven't announced start dates yet in better / worse shape than those whose firms deferred into 2010?

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169 should accept his fate and die

45 - Wolf Block has dissolved. The NJ office will be closed the end of May. don't tell me no one informed you?!?

Orrick: A handful of people start in Jan 2010, the rest have a "March" start date of March 29 but have been strongly encouraged to instead do the one year fellowship and start in Jan. 2011.

Baker Hostetler Columbus office still starting normal Sept start date (Sept 7?)...can anyone confirm a later start date for another office? What office is this post referring to with the Oct 15th start date?

Orrick: A handful of people start in Jan 2010, the rest have a late March start date but have been strongly encouraged to instead do the one year fellowship and start in Jan. 2011.

QUINN REMAINS off this motherfucker

I got an email from Paul, Weiss confirming the Sept. 14 start date that 64/65 mentioned.

137- Sidley is starting health coverage on June 1, but not for its NY office. assholes.

i think weil is january 2010 ($15k stipend) and january 2011 ($75k stipend to do nothing, $90k stipend to do public interest).

174, Wolfblock NJ is in merger discussions. It has no plans to close next month and may decide to continue as an independent firm if there is no merger.

If you want a list of firms that have not announced in the V100 or just want to track the details about those that have, go to http://lawfirmchaos.blogspot.com

Still no date for Pillsbury. I will be finished law school and still not have a start date. Doesn't suprise me though- the firm is awful with keeping any of us in the loop, etc.

144- All White and Case told me was that those chosen to start in November are going into "high demand areas." This makes no sense since most people did rotations in litigation this summer and I assume that has to be a busier section then say banking right now. That's about all I was told. I doubt it was based on reviews because I know summers that recieved less than stellar reviews who are starting in November.

Also White & Case is not offering any health benefits for those deferred. Cough Cough :(

Mayer Brown: January 2010 start with a $15,000 deferral stipend and health insurance coverage starting in June 2009.

Gibson Dunn is Nov. 16 or Nov. 30.

Does anyone know how many White & Case deferred associates actually got the Public Interest bonus?

In '08 a young lawyer achieved
An offer from Goodwin! So relieved!
But whether he'll then
Start in '9, '11, or '10
No word has he yet received!

yo 3rd years, you want a start date? I have one for you...after you suck my big cock

147 - you seem legit about WilmerHale because of the ACTF reference - any ideas on when start dates will be announced? Are we talking about a one month deferral?

In case you didn't take me seriously, in post 3 I spoke from experience. I, for one, greatly enjoyed Brazil. They are much more accepting of my relationships with 18 year old boys.

a clueless 1L here - with all this news of firms delaying start dates, what was the original/typical start date in the good ol days??

193 - depends on what you mean by good old days. One year ago the typical date was right after Labor Day. In the 1970's (when my dad graduated) the typical start date was the first workday in June. In the 1940's (when my grandparents graduated) you often already worked for the firm during the course of your last year.

Did Kutner kill himself because of a delayed start date?

WILDMAN is starting on time.

http://www.thomsonreuters.com/content/PDF/financial/league_tables/ma/2009/1Q09_legal_advisory.pdf

If this is any indication... the M&A powerhouses are BACK. Cravath in the first 3 months of this year completed more deals than in ALL of 2008....
Wachtell in the first 3 months of this year completed almost half of what it did in 2008 in the first 3 months of 2009. Bow down.

good post 197

wow, 197 should write for ATL... it was even funnier than Elie usually is...

how about a "pls handle thx" on if/when it will ever get late enough in the game for 3Ls to inquire with their firms about start dates... or when they might expect to hear about start dates... or if they should bother signing a lease in the city their job is in because they're graduating in a month and their current lease is up...

you know, just hypothetically speaking

Litigation boutiques are still going strong - and hiring:

http://abovethelaw.com/2009/04/stone_magnanini_job_posting.php

As far as I know, Baker & Hostetler's Orlando Office is still starting in the second week of September. Which office was pushed back to October 15th?

V&E's start dates have been pushed back to beginning of November or January. If you pick the January start date you get a 10k stipend.

Any word about Cooley?

I love watching the Jones Day haters on every post. Get off JD's nuts already. And whoever posted about December is way off and probably bitter about not having a job or a start date.

I love watching the Jones Day haters on every post. Get off JD's nuts already. And whoever posted about December is way off and probably bitter about not having a job or a start date.

I love watching the Jones Day haters on every post. Get off JD's nuts already. And whoever posted about December is way off and probably bitter about not having a job or a start date.

Baker Hostetler isn't pushing back start dates. They confirmed the original start date in September

Agreed, I haven't heard anything from Baker Hostetler about any push back. They just confirmed the start date in September; it would be pretty idiotic to immediately push it back in less than a month. Sounds like rumor mill BS to me.

Any clue why Quarles (52) is so obsessed with Michael Best? It's kinda creepy.

Any clue why Quarles (52) is so obsessed with Michael Best? It's kinda creepy.

125: Baker Hostetler Houston has FOUR new associates starting in the fall, with no deferrals on start dates. They didn't "rescind" the clerks's bonus, I heard he just wanted more. Good riddance. B&H is doing well, with no lay-offs or late starts in any of its offices.

125: Baker Hostetler Houston has FOUR new associates starting in the fall, with no deferrals on start dates. They didn't "rescind" the clerks's bonus, I heard he just wanted more. Good riddance. B&H is doing well, with no lay-offs or late starts in any of its offices.