Nationwide Layoff Watch: Townsend and Townsend and (a Smaller) Crew
In these dire times, there are few refuges from the storm. Even the world of intellectual property is not immune to the downturn.
Today Townsend and Townsend and Crew (no ampersands), a prominent intellectual property firm, announced layoffs: 16 attorneys, 45 staff. Here’s an excerpt from the memo, issued by firm chairman James Gilliland, which contains discussion of the broader market for IP work:
We have resisted for as long as we reasonably could the worldwide economic forces buffeting our clients and our profession. However, after much long and careful deliberation, Townsend today has joined so many other AmLaw 200 firms and implemented a reduction in force. This is the most painful decision any of us has ever had to make at this firm.As you know, Townsend expanded rapidly over the past few years to meet our clients’ burgeoning need for IP services. By the fourth quarter of 2008, however, those clients began scaling back their spending because of the enormous financial uncertainty they faced. Likewise, in the first three months of 2009 new patent filings in the PTO, and new file openings at Townsend, have both declined. While our clients continue to innovate, and continue to call on Townsend to protect their most significant innovations, our optimistic projections for the future now must be moderated.
Back in January, Townsend announced a salary freeze, noting that “all of the economic indicators for 2009 remain negative.” Today’s layoffs suggest that the situation is not improving.
Of course, Townsend still has some work. For example, they’re representing engineering and construction giant Bechtel in a trademark infringement suit. But it takes a lot of work to sustain the workforce of an Am Law 200 firm with seven offices around the country.
Read the full memo, after the jump.
Back when Townsend raised starting salaries to $160,000, they mentioned their consideration of a multiple-track system. The pay raise memo noted that “continuing to trade more hours worked for higher compensation is unhealthy and unsustainable in the long run.” Was the observation prescient?
Here’s the memo.
TOWNSEND AND TOWNSEND AND CREW — MEMORANDUM — LAYOFFS
April 8, 2009
Dear Friends,
We have resisted for as long as we reasonably could the worldwide economic forces buffeting our clients and our profession. However, after much long and careful deliberation, Townsend today has joined so many other AmLaw 200 firms and implemented a reduction in force. This is the most painful decision any of us has ever had to make at this firm.
As you know, Townsend expanded rapidly over the past few years to meet our clients’ burgeoning need for IP services. By the fourth quarter of 2008, however, those clients began scaling back their spending because of the enormous financial uncertainty they faced. Likewise, in the first three months of 2009 new patent filings in the PTO, and new file openings at Townsend, have both declined. While our clients continue to innovate, and continue to call on Townsend to protect their most significant innovations, our optimistic projections for the future now must be moderated.
As a result, today we have informed sixteen attorneys and forty-five members of our staff that their positions are being eliminated. Individuals in all seven of our U.S. offices are included. All have been offered severance benefits and outplacement services. The individuals affected are valued, talented, people who are both our colleagues and our friends. Some have been with Townsend for a few months, some for many years. All will be missed. Please help and support them in this difficult time.
Tomorrow, April 9, 2009, Maureen Sheehy and I will hold a videoconference to provide further information and respond to any questions you may have. It will be held at 1 p.m. Eastern, 11 a.m. Mountain and 10 a.m. Pacific time. We appreciate your encouragement and assistance as we work to maintain Townsend as a stable and healthy firm during these turbulent times.
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Damn!! Laid off with all the time in the world and still not first!
I know others have made this comment - PLEASE put in the city the firm is headquartered in
1 (formerly 3) - my FIRST and FIRST and FIRST was rescinded. So let me be FIRST to congratulate you.
Townsend and Townsend and (a smaller) Crew
Please accept the above as my application for ATL headline writer.
hey...I was first!
The recovery has indeed started!
#1
If I was laid off from this firm, I would refer to it as TT Crüe on my resume.
Who?
They culled name-partners too...one of the Townsends as well as Crew. Now, their website says "Townsend."
4 - Thanks for the headline suggestion!
anyone who thinks IP is immune is an idiot - everyone is fucked
4 here... the many hours wasted on this site have all been redeemed.
What a Motley Crew!
I recently had lunch with a partner of a top IP law firm. IP is definitely not immune from the economic tsunami. In fact, he asked me for my opinion on whether his firm should prosecute a patent for a line of intimate toys, including a dual sybian vibrating device that allows for simultaneous stimulation to both the vaginal and rectal areas on a woman). Needless to say, I advised him to take the client since the sex entertainment industry is immune to this recession. In this economy, you cannot be selective on what clients to take unless you are a peer firm.
Culling 7% of the herd, maybe all the CS grads post Bilski?
13 -- good stuff!! very funny
13 -- good stuff!! very funny
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The sex industry is immune... you're an idiot 13. When money gets tight people cut the non-essentials, which I think would include "a dual sybian vibrating device that allows for simultaneous stimulation to both the vaginal and rectal areas on a woman."
IP like everything else is hurting, just not as much as general corporate. That is unless you are a patent prosecutor that has some large institutional tech companies as clients and they need your tech specialty, a patent troll, or work at a major IP litigation firm - then you're kicking ass.
This comment is addressed to post no. 20.
"The sex industry is immune to the recession." I stand by that statement. I realize that there are a few frugal individuals and/or socially challenged chaps in our society that would prefer manual stimulation that requires no interaction with other persons or things. I believe you are a member of that segment of society. You are a pathetic individual to believe that sex is a non-essential thing in life. I am 66 years old and sex (with a woman) is still a top three activity in my life after making money and dispensing tough love on lowly associates and troubled law students. You should do yourself a favor and purchase a sybian before the legal profession buggers you.
Townsend is for people that couldnt get a job at Fish and Finnegan
21 - regardless of whether you're a real partner, you're definitely a douche. if you are a partner, you should be out spending money instead of bothering us associates. if you're not a partner, you're pathetic.
And now we know you're an objectophile. Nice.
14 - "Culling 7% of the herd, maybe all the CS grads post Bilski?"
More like, culling 7% of the herd, maybe all the biotech PhDs post Kubin?
any first years let go?
22 you're an xoxo douche, Fish and Finnegan don't do much prosecution work. To each his own. No matter where you end up, you'll still be a douche.
does anyone have details re practice groups affected?
20/23: You've got to be kidding me. I'll admit, he usually keeps up a pretty good front; actually, this is about the closest he's come to admitting it's all a schtick. But please don't tell me you take this guy's posts seriously.
This is some bored 3L/laid off associate/soon-to-be laid off associate who's come up with a pretty funny gimmick. Now don't get me wrong - I'm not knocking you, PE. I enjoy your particular schtick. Way better than that "ship is sinking" guy and just behind "the dow is up guy." A few more posts like this in which you let your hair down a little and you'd really be good.
Now, feel free to tell me how wrong I am - just try to put a little humor in it, Ok?
22,
Wrong. Townsend is for people who don't want to work as hard (or evidently as long (LOL)) as people at Fish or Finnegan, but still get paid the same (or more) living in better places that also have better costs-of-living.
But thanks for playing. Sorry you're stuck at either one of the f's.
p.s. I haven't heard of any first years let go, but nothing solid.
Yep, first years were affected and I'm sure 3L's are next. This firm is going under.
the firm is going under?
30,
Wrong also.
IP is not immune, but it's definitely more immune than other practice areas, relatively speaking
What groups got hit? What offices?
This comment is addressed to post no. 28.
You are free to believe whatever you want. If I am a law student or a lowly associate to you, so be it. I am not going to argue with you about who I am or what I am. If you are mildly amused by my posts, I can assure you that was not the reaction I was hoping for. I have been in this profession for over 40 years. Prior to entering this profession, I was different and perhaps more affable. Starting your career at a peer firm changes you and I admit, you go through different phases to surmount the misery and drudgery that comes with the territory of being an associate and multiplies ten fold when you become partner at a peer firm. Spending money does not equate to happiness. I purchased a $380K Maybach two years ago and do you think that made me happy? The truth is I can be cantakerous at times and a friend advised me to do something more substantive for my soul in terms of giving back to the legal community. I found this forum and utilize it as a form of therapy and to feel that I am making a difference in someone's life. This is a miserable profession. I am too entrenched in it and too old to abandon it for another line of work. However, there are many young law students and associates that have a chance to live by abandoning this wretched profession and pursuing something more worthwhile to the soul. That is why I bother posting the truisms of this business. I am confident I have or will touch one person that reads this forum and the thought of that notion brings a smile to my heart. Goodnight.
Partner Emeritus,
As your most recent posts demonstrate, your shtick is running thin. It never really was that funny. Being an asshole is my game, dick sucking is yours so stick to it.
- Kenny Powers
35,
It's a shtick like that anonymous lawyer blog, but I like it. A true old-school WASP would never do anything as garish as mentioning the price of a purchase. That is so neavau riche.
i'll reiterate the request of the poster who asked for info on where these firms are headquartered and/or where their major offices are located.
The kenny powers shtick sucks dick. please get lost you redneck bat up the ass poser.
Where the heck is the Dow is Up guy when you need him??????
Somebody call Ja Rule! I need him to help me make sense of all this!
Me Chinese Me Play Joke, Me Put Pee Pee In Your Coke.
These layoffs are testament to how much IP attorneys are struggling. I know my V10 firm's IP department is struggling as bad as us corporate types.
"Dear Friends,"
WTF?
(not the) FIRST (or the last) to say Partner Emeritus sucks
42: do any of the v10 have notable IP departments? my firm is going gangbusters in IP (also in corp and gen lit), but we are smaller (~200 attorneys) and probably uniquely situated in a few ways.
weil has decent ip lit. covington bought somebody's ip lit department in bay area (heller, i think). skadden has big ip departments in some offices. latham has a significant ip practice.
think that's it. pretty sure the other V5s except wachtell also do quite a bit of ip lit, but nothing too big.
45: Weil and Kirkland have very solid IP lit depts. As far as I know, none of the V10 firms are players on the IP corporate side.
this is 45. yeah i know about all those firms -- weil and kirkland are far and away the winners among the ones named, in my view -- but didn't think they were in v10, other than lw and skadden. if i had to guess as to what 42 was talking about re hurting, i'd guess latham.
eh, decent effort 35, but I was hoping for more. Maybe next time.
- 28
Kirkland just hired 7 new IP attorneys. The partners are all big names who defected from their former firms, but the associates had all been laid off from other firms. Those who are good might want to consider applying. I think we still might need some more.
What are you talking about, 48? Kirkland and Weil are both V10.
Partner Emeritus is probably an associate. Maybe a law student. But a true loser if so to know that much about how law firms practice. I didnt' even know this website existed as a law student. I was too busy going to football games, going to Ricks, and sleeping with college girls.
I know that the cuts affected all levels of associates from first years to senior associates. All practice groups were affected, trademark, prosecution, transactional, and patent lit.
Does anyone have any insight into these layoffs?
Partners got cut
53,
So only 16 attorneys were cut, yet some were first years? Seriously?
That's an asshole move, unless that first year sucked.
Transactional?
yep - sixteen attorneys and one, maybe two first year associates, and at least one partner. I cant speak for the associates' work since I did not work with them in person. I have to assume that it was either a bar passage issue or work product related.
58,
Since you didn't work with them, don't speculate that ". I have to assume that it was either a bar passage issue or work product related."
ehhh, I gotta believe that if only 18 associates were fired, it's gotta be work product/attitude related.
That old Lat magic......
Wouldn't it be easy to check the first years with the bar passage list?
50, which office?
63, the New York office.
63, the New York office.
mostly prosecution related?
Partner Emeritus is a awesome --- he's a legend
Partner Emeritus is a awesome --- he's a legend
This is 67 -- I meant he is awesome, not "a awesome"
partner emeritus ROCKS!
67=68=69=70=unemployed 3L with no job prospects=partner emeritus
To whoever was asking, the Kirkland hires were patent litigation folks.
ip boutiques at 160k pay scale and greater than 150 attorneys (or more) will be scaling back big time. our firm (a smaller gp but with a large IP practice) is going gangbusters right now with work leaving our larger competitors and coming to us. i have billed over 240 hours for the past 5 months, and i dont do that much litigation. my docket is full and we just were requested to see if we can take on another portfolio.
fish/finnegan/townsend - great while it lasted, but all associates better bill whatever they can, because the work is coming to us.
67/68/69/70
Everyone knows you are Partner Emeritus, and your schtick sucks. Its one thing to run a schtick that is purposefully inflammatory to get a humorous rise out of people. But, yours is just incessantly annoying. Your schitck is a lot like a child who won't stop screaming Mommy! Mommy! Mommy! thereby annoying and interrupting adults whom are trying to have a conversation. Please shut up.
If the firm laid off prep and pros associates other than 1st or 2nd years, this was a stupid move. To almost any client, one firm is as indistinguishable and interchangeable to any other. The only thing that keeps the work flowing is a personal relationship. Once you have former associates desperate for an income writing to the client and offering the same services for a fraction of the firm, that relationship frays. No one will take a 1st year or a 2nd year serious, but after that prep and pros attorneys know the ropes and have had direct client contact, which they can use later.
I guess these firms just want to create their own competition.
73 here- btw, i would do whatever i could to get in good with the partner rainmakers, and i mean whatever. word on the street is that in our east coast office, the doors are being beat down with partners from big firms looking for a good exit.
you have been warned.
No comments about the letter?
"he individuals affected are valued, talented, people who are both our colleagues and our friends."
wow they are valued, talented, and people or valued (talented) people?
75 - its not competition because the firms have priced themselves out of it. these firms need a lot of litigation to support the minor amount of prosecution, which they only have to maintain some laughable semblance of a boutique or full service ip shop. despite what all the fish apologists want you to believe, the amount of litigation they have is not enough to support it. yeah, yeah, We are the biggest, we do the most...what the fuck ever. for your size of firm, you need about twice as much lit as what you have. all your cases are settling or possible filings are drying up as clients cut costs. look around. partners are trying desperatly to keep clients, even offering loans or withholding of payments. i have heard this several times from my friends inhouse. i wanted their business. they said are we free. we said no. they said well fish is giving us deep discounts and allowing us to defer payment. well, we are so busy, we dont need to do that (and we dont charge their outrageous and bloated rates to begin with).
long story short, fish, finnegan, townsend tried to run with the big boys and are now shedding associates quietly (well, at least townsend finally admitted it) in an effort to save face. we all know whats happening at those shops, which makes it sort of sad.
@73
"ip boutiques at 160k pay scale and greater than 150 attorneys (or more) will be scaling back big time. our firm (a smaller gp but with a large IP practice) is going gangbusters right now with work leaving our larger competitors and coming to us."
work is leaving?
who the fuck uses "gangbusters?" WTF does that even mean?
"i have billed over 240 hours for the past 5 months, and i dont do that much litigation."
over 240 hours for 5 months? Sounds like your firm should kick your sorry ass to the curb. Or, did you mean 240/month? If you did your firm should have never hired you.
"my docket is full and we just were requested to see if we can take on another portfolio."
I bet your clients can't wait to get your subquality crap service.
79- oh, sorry. are you just nitpicking because your an f-ing prick or because you were laid off?
gangbusters was used in an earlier post dipshit, so i guess its more than me.
yeah, work is leaving, you know, the work that pays your salary, pays the electric bill, and your marble floors. that fucking work. you say goodbye, i say hello.
with my docket being full, and the fact that I have clients of my own as a 6th year, they actually cant wait to get my service. sorry. sucks for you.
dick.
and yes, i realize that i used your instead of you are. so it should have read "YOU ARE A FUCKING PRICK". sorry for the confusion.
73 here - I left a bigtique last year, leaving with 4 others (1 partner, 1 counsel, 2 associates). we discussed at length the issues with the current billing structure and the house of cards it created. would i be one of the lucky ones that survived and kept my high pay? i dont know. people in my former firm that billed over 2100 hours FOR THE YEAR (that was for you 79 you dipshit) were some of the ones that were laid off.
anyway, i couldnt take that chance. two kids, a mortgage, getting close to paying off my student loans...it was too risky to stay.
i wish the best for those laid off.
79- are you really too lazy to look it up? it actually fits his/her post.
gang·bus·ter (gngbstr)
like gangbusters Slang
With great impact, vigor, or zeal: came on like gangbusters at the start of his campaign; a career that took off like gangbusters.
and 240 hours for the last 5 months, while ambiguous, is technically not wrong. yes, it should have been 240 hours per month for the last 5 months, but if s/he meant over a 5 month time frame, it would have been 240 hours in 5 months. or not, ambiguity is bad.
btw, what is the deal with your anger. lighten up francis. this is a blog.
The partner let go was a dick, and not well liked-- he was an income partner. One of the first years just didn't have great work product, and also failed the bar first time around. Nice guy though.
what are great work products? my hours are most in doc review.
-- 1st year who wants to know
79 here
80, 81 and 82, what firm do you work for?
Townsend Townsend gets a Crew Cut!
ftw!
Townsend Townsend gets a Crew Cut!
ftw!
Yes, IP is tanking while other litigation areas are seeing some activity.
IP lit is not tanking, it's one of the FEW areas of the law that isn't tanking right now. Most IP Lit cases are bet the company cases so they aren't impacted by cost-cutting measures ITE. Might as well bet the company ITE.
Do I have to be over 50 to think gangbusters is cool?
Why did you choose to become attorneys? Open up now...we're in the anonymous tree.
Wow, there are more idiots posting on this site than ever before. Freaking recession.
I've worked in big firms, mid size firms, and at a small firm now. My backgrond is a top 25 law school with a bs in electrical engineering and a ms in electrical engineering. Things have definetly slowed down, but that said its slowed down only to the point where we have time to breathe.
I know a lot of associates and partners who work in townsend. Their billable rate is quite high and their hour requirements are pretty high too. Each of these employees are very capable and they will be picked up in no time.
Townsend is for people who don't want to work as hard --- you got that right. Did you know that Human Resource Director didn't know what "AIM" was -- til the entire file room was slacking off for several years.
Sure, Townsend has a communication disorder. Lack of work! James Gilliland is a dumbass and executive director is a bully -- homophobic bully, he believed digging a deeper pool was going to make Townsend successful, well, guess what, a bunch of lawyers are drowning. He is also a dumb-ass too.
Townsend is for people who don't want to work as hard --- you got that right. Did you know that Human Resource Director didn't know what "AIM" was -- til the entire file room was slacking off for several years.
Sure, Townsend has a communication disorder. Lack of work! James Gilliland is a dumbass and executive director is a bully -- homophobic bully, he believed digging a deeper pool was going to make Townsend successful, well, guess what, a bunch of lawyers are drowning. He is also a dumb-ass too.
90, it is relative. People expected IP to stay strong through this recession and that is not playing out, which has surprised many because it is usually bet he company litigation as you mention. It is a busy practice but not relative to the number of IP attorneys currently on the books. Townsend is just the beginnin. Prepare for a (hopefullly minor) bloodletting in IP.
95,
Agreed... at least on the executive director at Townsend is quite the ass munch bit. Didn't know about the homophobic part, but I never quite got past the stright up aura of dip shit to consider deeper questions.
73/76/80 is a gigantic asshole. It may be true that your rinky dink little shop is currently doing well while IP at (some) big firms is suffering. But your tone is entirely unecessarly. Dick.
Since when is a cut of less than 10% of the attorneys enough to consider a law firm as going under?
In this economy, if you're not cutting attorneys, what the hell are you thinking?
More reports of unscheduled "performance reviews" at Thompson Hine. Numerous associates who got good/great reviews at their scheduled annual evaluation are now being told that there are "concerns" over their "dedication" and whether they are "billing all of their time".
Quick poll - how many of you also have partners constantly asking if you're "billing all of your time" on a project? I guess that is the most a partner can say without comitting an ethical violation by saying what they really mean - "overbill my clients so that my ppp stay up"!
I really want to know how patent prosecution is fairing. How are different areas doing? EE, CS, ME, Bio, Chem, Bus Meth, etc? Will Bilski and Kubin be a problem?
PE is some 1L or 2L typing up this nonsense
If he were 66 years old, like he claims he is, he would have some better knowledge of the difference between a barrister and a solicitor and the workings of an H1B Visa. I would recommend for PE to start paying attention in his day classes instead of playing around on ATL on his laptop. Now would be a good time for PE to start looking into public interest jobs and networking to that effect, as he won't have a regular desk jop come two years form now from which he can waste time on ATL for hours on end, like the rest of us working attorneys.
How dare you insult a distinguished legal professional like Partner Emeritus!
I find that his disjointed, senile, poorly informed and overwhelmingly greedy bloviations are a perfect representation of the partners at AmLaw 100 firms (I know he could easily be a Partner at my firm).
The only thing most partners teach associates is "you better bill more hours so I can afford a newer younger mistress!"
Darby & Darby laid off several junior and senior associates
I work at a large IP boutique and business is booming! The guy posting about IP department in a large gp and his rates are cheaper than boutiques is just wrong. The entire boutique exists because we charge less than the GP's, less overhead, more experience in IP matters, etc.
This is a less than 10% reduction in attorneys which I think can partially be blamed on the economy, but also a reason to let go those that are giving poor quality work. Just my thoughts.
36, ur mom is wearing thin
This is typical of the IP world, at least wrt prosecution. The work moves around a lot. Different companies get hot at different times and patents spike accordingly. Litigation is a little different. I guanrantee, if those that were laid off have a desirable tech background, they will have no problem finding work. That last point is what so many non-ip lawyers don't understand. In the world of prosecution, until you build your own client list, your technical background is what matters most. If you have a BS in EE/CE plus several years experience working at a respected tech company, or you have a BS and MS in EE/CE, or you have a Phd in some kind of bio or chem then you are set.
Executive Director at townsend is WT!
84,
You seem to have so much information about people in different offices and different groups. Interesting. Did you review the work of the first year? Or, is this just the Townsend gossip mill stirring up crap?
Were the layoffs prosecution or litigation? Prosecution layoffs would not be surprising, but IP litigation, while slower than expected, is generally not slow enough to require layoffs.
Seems the management at Townsend = douches
Good luck to those that were let go
96,
What does Townsend's file room have to do with attorneys? Staff, go home!
100,
salary freeze - 1st round layoffs - first year start push back - salary cuts - 2nd round layoffs...
All downhill from here.
Rumor also has it that the San Diego office is in trouble
White trash is the word!
How is the DC office doing?
I hope one bitch in particular in the SF office got the ax. How she ever got hired is one of the great mysteries of the universe....and yes Debbie I'm talking about YOU!
She got hired because on her resume in 1860 among her listed skills she included "great oral" but, failed to proof read the document and attach the word "communicator".
She got hired because on her resume in 1860 among her listed skills she included "great oral" but, failed to proof read the document and attach the word "communicator".
More layoffs are coming...just wait and see
95, 96 take yourself right off. Though yeah everyone knows HR director wears kneepads
117-- she's long gone. Thank god.