San Francisco School of Law Student Wants Meritocracy, Achieves Possible Mental Meltdown
The University of San Francisco School of Law decided to have an open competition to choose its student speaker at graduation. A tipster explains that nine students performed speeches and the student body voted on the winner. We understand that a well-liked and well-spoken student won the competition.
As C.J. Cregg once said: “In a democracy, sometimes the other guy wins.”
One of the eight non-winners had an interesting perspective on the loss. The student sent the following email to the San Francisco School of Law student body:
I write to express my extreme frustration and disappointment with the process that was used to choose the graduation speaker. Specifically, I feel strongly that merit should have been taken into account.The graduation speaker will be perceived by the audience as the valedictorian, which has traditionally been someone at the head of the class. That academic achievement and involvement in the school community were not areas reflected on the evaluation sheet and I suspect that you did not take it into account in making your choice, either. I understand that the quality of the speech and its delivery are to be important factors, however, I am shocked to learn that the person who will represent our class is not the person who was the most involved or the person with the grades- not even by a longshot. I intend to speak to Dean [Redacted] about this so that this mistake does not rob someone deserving of this valued post next year.
I love the smell of crazy bat feces in the morning.
After the jump, we try to decide if the student is having a little joke, or if the student requires immediate medical attention.
If the student is serious, then we need to get them some medical marijuana, stat:
As the ONLY person at our school who has always been at the top of the class, done law review, moot court, tutoring, SBA, student group leadership, and published, I am personally offended that my accomplishments were not taken into account. I have a hard time believing that I was not one of the voters’ top choices. I was there, I heard every speech. The combination of my achievements and my performance at the audition should have more than qualified me to be the graduation speaker.I cannot keep this to myself because I am offended that intelligent, self-assured individuals such as yourselves who operate in a competitive universe where things such as academics and extra-curriculars matter, did not place a premium on merit.
University of San Francisco officials declined to comment about the student’s concerns. But sources at the school think (hope/pray) that the student was just joking. We certainly hope so too, and the end of the email seems to support the “surely, you can’t be serious” theory:
I understand that other people are upset too, but I write today to express exactly why I am so furious: I deserved to be the graduation speaker. I got up earlier than everyone else every day and I never skipped a class for no reason or showed up without having read. I studied harder. I shared all of my study materials. I got better grades. I was more involved in more things and with more people than any other person at our school. I did everything that I was supposed to do. And I am deeply offended that none of that was taken into account. All of my hard work counted for nothing when it came down to the one honor that should be bestowed on the person who worked harder and was more involved.I hope that our friendships are strong enough that you will not take what I have said the wrong way. Its not because you didn’t pick me, its because you didn’t take everything into account in choosing what amounts to a valedictorian.
Is this an effective parody, or a total gunner meltdown? Either way, the email took a certain amount of courage that should serve the student well in future, law related endeavors.




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Thirsty.
first
First to say Latham sucks
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Who cares?
Are those really the new U.S. News rankings?
GW Baller
Funny, I would say that "the one honor that should be bestowed on the person who worked harder and was more involved" might be called "employment".
what a jerk. i presume this student will be wearing some kind of honor cords, and receive recognition in the program for all of those activities come graduation day. maybe that isn't enough.
Total gunner meltdown. This person is offended that life is still one big popularity contest.
Who gives a rat's ass. Better yet, bat feces.
Date: May 1st
Time: TBD
Place: Lipstick Building
To do: Bring a Rat
To tell yourself: Don't be a pussy
Maybe they took maturity into account. Tough break.
I graduated in '06 and really liked my classmates, I can't remember who the class speaker was . . . perhaps one of the SBA folks, perhaps not. I think we had a writer give the address.
Although I understand that this person feels they deserve it, noone will remember your great speech 3 weeks later, let alone 3 years.
The morning of Sept. 11 a girl in my class was seen screaming at the secretary in career services because she felt that a less qualified student had gotten an OCI instead of her. She went on to Skadden.
My vote is the email is serious.
Is there anyone who doubts that this is a joke? Good god.
If they wanted a smart and most talented 3L to give the speech, they wouldn't have picked someone from USF.
Just kidding! This was a funny email. Thanks for the light post, Elie.
This academic stud should file a promissory estoppel claim.
"All of my hard work counted for nothing when it came down to the one honor that should be bestowed on the person who worked harder and was more involved."
All of my hard work counted for nothing, too, when Weil deferred me.
That is the lesson: We are fortune's fools.
where is this tool working?
ORRICKDEFERRALPWND??
PSA: San Francisco School of Law =/= USF.
I guess I have to give you credit for not even trying to seem competent. It must leave you lots of free time to do things other than your job. Seriously, are they still paying you for this?
"I got up earlier than everyone else every day and I never skipped a class for no reason..."
Oh boy.
what a dork
I wish you all the best.
Wow... to be honest, I'd rather have someone chosen for their speech and not their resume. #1 and #2 in my HS class gave speeches and they were incredibly boring uncharismatic wastes of time.
It's not like it was a lottery or something...
gunner meltdown?
This is precisley why so many lawyers find themselves unemployed and why so many law students will never be hired in the first place.
total meltdown.
Funny, I would say that "the one honor that should be bestowed on the person who worked harder and was more involved" might be called "employment".
You mean San Francisco? Someone from the capital of the liberal universe complaining that a person wasn't chosen based on MERIT?
What kind of crazy backward place do they live in?? You should know that in SF, the most qualified is based on race, gender, sexual orientation, or any other factor except MERIT...
wow - what a moron that student is!
/sarc off
His poorly written rant speaks volumes about the caliber of USF's best and brightest..
You mean San Francisco? Someone from the capital of the liberal universe complaining that a person wasn't chosen based on MERIT?
What kind of crazy backward place do they live in?? You should know that in SF, the most qualified is based on race, gender, sexual orientation, or any other factor except MERIT...
wow - what a moron that student is!
/sarc off
The email is either the product of someone who is funny or there is someone wandering the halls of that school who needs to be medicated and kept away from sharp objects.
Gunner meltdown. School will also allow him (her?) to speak at graduation...
If this kid is mentally unstable, I'm certain posting this to a national legal tabloid will help his condition. The real douchebags are his classmates, for sending this in to ATL instead of seeing if he needs medical attention.
I think its sad how important the perception of being valedictorian is to this kid. He or she must really think everyone else is beneath them. I'm sure this person is very well-liked.
What a fool! Doesn't he realize that such arcane concepts as "merit" and "ability" mean nothing in this Obama-nation? This student should count himself lucky that we haven't decided to take GPA points away as a form of punishment.
TGM. Loved it! It's so rare that you actually get to see someone's true colors.
Is it bad that every time I hear a bell I immediately punch myself in the balls?
HIs poorly written rants speaks volumes about the caliber of USF's best and brightest.
HIs poorly written rant speaks volumes about the caliber of USF's best and brightest.
imagine how furious he'll be when he discovers the administration is not taking him seriously.
Right on. Valedictorians should not be picked on popularity but should go by default to the top achiever (unless they don't want it). This person has every reason to be bitter. And another thing, it takes mental stability to come out and express your true feelings in this healthy manner. The nutjobs are those that give you fake smiles and boil internally until they pop. The student body got called out for their BS standards and rightly so. You go guy/girl.
Didn't the Obama White House expressly make the consideration of objective merit illegal?
This is why evening law programs are better, immature kids like this is what makes law school suck.
apparently the gifted student is a chick. didn't see that coming.
This kid just failed to realize that merit WAS taken into account. Unfortunately for him/her, law school academic merit is not as important as he/she would like it to be.
The Dean's response should be as follows:
PWN3D!
That is all.
Maybe he can speak at Columbia's graduation on how he overcame the adversity of being rejected in an election for graduation speaker.
Why do I have a hunch that this is the kind of "top student" who whines to every professor who gives , and relentlessly harasses them (and anyone else for that matter) until s/he get her/his way?
The legal profession needs less whiners and people with a sense of entitlement. I'm glad USF made the right choice, at least in NOT picking this person!
Why do I have a hunch that this is the kind of "top student" who whines to every professor who gives less than an A to them, and relentlessly harasses them (and anyone else for that matter) until s/he get her/his way?
The legal profession needs less whiners and people with a sense of entitlement. I'm glad USF made the right choice, at least in NOT picking this person!
Dear Class of 2009,
Don't you wish you had gone to law school just a year earlier? You would be in your DC or NYC office, working 9-6:30 and bringing in 160k. You would be comfortably paying off loans, and investing for your future in one of the best buyers markets in 100 years. You would sleep well knowing that in two or three years when the market turns around, you will easily be able to float over to a Fortune 500 GC's office, hedge fund, or mid-size firm.
Instead, you toss and turn all night, worrying about how you will be able to pay off loans and make rent on your deferral stipend. You think about dreams denied, purchases you are unable to make, extravagant nights of luxury passed. Even if the legal market turns, the year of experience and networking that you missed will thrust your resume to the bottom of the pile of any job you apply for.
Better luck in your next life!
http://www.usfca.edu/org/sba/about/
gotta be someone on that page amirite ?
The valedictorian is the LAST person I want to listen to at graduation. God, I spent three years listening to these people, don't force it upon others. I would love the hear what the most interesting (i.e., popular) people have to say about things.
Date: May 1st
Time: TBD
Place: Lipstick Building
To do: Bring a Rat
To tell yourself: Don't be a pussy
even if its a joke, its just not funny.
You all just don't get it. This wasn't an accurate measure of merit and so the student was deprived of his/her procedural due process rights. Thus the school violated his Constitutional rights. End of story.
dead serious
what time was the email sent? maybe she had a few too many while drowning the sorrow of losing that vote
"Either way, the email took a certain amount of courage that should serve the student well in future, law related endeavors."
I think this guy is too courageous. I don't want to work with a lawyer who has sufficient courage to think that he can be a douche and still expect people to be nice to him.
it's called the "university of san francisco school of law," fat ass.
What's sad is that this student will probably end up making partner one day.
what time was the email sent? maybe she had a few too many while drowning the sorrow of losing that vote
Has to be jeremiah smiddy.
Dear Class of 2009,
Don't you wish you had gone to law school just a year earlier? You would be in your DC or NYC office, working 9-6:30 and bringing in 160k. You would be comfortably paying off loans, and investing for your future in one of the best buyers markets in 100 years. You would sleep well knowing that in two or three years when the market turns around, you will easily be able to float over to a Fortune 500 GC's office, hedge fund, or mid-size firm.
Instead, you toss and turn all night, worrying about how you will be able to pay off loans and make rent on your deferral stipend. You think about dreams denied, purchases you are unable to make, extravagant nights of luxury passed. Even if the legal market turns, the year of experience and networking that you missed will thrust your resume to the bottom of the pile of any job you apply for.
Better luck in your next life!
42 = racist
Why did we redact the name of the dean of a law school? Is USF a law school?
Gunner meltdown
This really isn't remotely funny enough to qualify as parody. @41, you're not fooling anyone. This was a competition for SPEAKER, NOT valedictorian.
Some very smart and intelligent people at my school can't speak publicly to save their lives--they are the last person I would want speaking at my graduation, even if they do have the best grades or are the most involved.
all i understood was, "WWWAAAAAAA!!!!! WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! SOMEBODY CHANGE MY DIAPER BECAUSE I POOPED MYSELF BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE BABY!!!" that's not a courageous email. that's an immature RANT from a nerd with no social graces. knowing that someone had the gall to write that to a student body would be plenty for me to never hire them....even if they were on moot court....loser.
Ask any SF bay area law student. They'll tell ya most important selection criterion for anything at USF is HOTNESS.
11, I love you!!
I may hire a few actors to go in my place on May 1st. I'm kinda scared of the Syracuse law midget.
(Assuming this is real)
How does this kid see graduation ceremony a right all unto himself? Does his earned right to give a speech outweigh the earned right of the entire rest of the class to listen to speakers of their liking?
Majority rules and the majority would rather listen to the funny guy.
Viva La Middle-of-the-Pack!!!
NERDS!
I took some pie from this guy last week at Greek Fest.
I says, "Thanks wimp, get yourself one!"
NERDS NERDS NERDS NERDS NERDS!
it was written by a woman and women aren't funny, therefore it must be a melt down
I actually kinda feel for him. I hate these popularity contests
Sad.
Because if it's a joke, it's not a very good one. You either have to go way the heck over the top or at least insert an emoticon to let the world know you were kidding. Now, this kid will be saddled with this e-mail for the rest of his legal career.
If it's not a joke, this kid will be saddled with this e-mail for the rest of his legal career.
On a side note: this isn't very good gossip, even for this website.
in the words of Sandra Oh in Sideways "somebody needs to be spanked."
71 is a new bit with some real potential.
"You just got your asses h-whipped by a bunch of god-damn nerds! Nerds!"
Graduating with a job is the only reward the top student at USF is entitled to.
I didn't know nervous T-10 1L went to USF.
I find it amusing that a school like USF is even allowed to have a valedictorian.
I also think this was a serious email.
ATL should post the name of the person who wrote it, too.
77, someone so involved would never be in an appointed position.
82 wrote: "I find it amusing that a school like USF is even allowed to have a valedictorian."
Excellent point. "USF Law valedictorian" strikes me as oxymoronic.
Look, I know all four of those women and if you attend USF, you know which one it was. The sad thing is... I didn't think she could possibly be as big of an asshole as that. But she is, and beyond. That email to the grad committee of her peers proved it. #67 you are right on. The email was a direct insult to the entire graduating class and guess what.... IF the grad speaker spot were based on merit alone, it still wouldn't have gone to her.
83,
They couldn't get elected class speaker, what makes you sure they would get elected to SBA?
Meltdown
New game, new rules - roleplaying a fantasy law firm back from the brink of collapse
To add urgency to this climate, the weekend began with Kearns, the Australian lawyer, offering an amusing but sharply focused description of the US big-firm landscape. Here's what he sees:
* The big-firm bubble is about to burst. Choose your pain: angry clients; the exodus of talented people from the practice of law; the competition for associates that firms can't afford; the increased competition for business between and among the firms.
* The prevalence of bigger and stronger in-house departments.
* The presence of three generations in the law firm workplace.
* The global financial crisis, which has broken the old relationships.
* The utter failure of firms to differentiate themselves to clients or recruits. (And, I might add, to themselves.)
http://www.legalweekblogs.com/legalvillage/2009/04/new_game_new_rules_-_roleplayi.html
My school's valedictorian gave the most contrived, worthless speech I'd heard in years-- and I expected it, given the student's flat personality. I don't give a damn whether someone has a 1.8 or a 3.8 GPA; all I want is an engaging, memorable speech. Getting good grades in law school is completely irrelevant when considering speaking skills.
I know plenty of people that act just like this at Brooklyn. And yes, they're all in the top of the class. You rarely see this kind of ego outside the top 15%.
The jokes on these people in the end...stressing this much over everything only ends in murder suicide or some kind of grand epic fail with jailtime in the future. Good luck.
86, if she couldn't get elect to sba she never would have got it in her mind that she had a chance to be elected speaker and none of this would have happened
Total gunner meltdown. Hilarious. Get (him/her) some pot immediately.
And what's USF's ranking anyway? Has anyone even heard of it before? Thank goodness I went to Disney Law School.
15: have you met law students?
80/81 -- Thanks for this post.
FWIW, I think the email is real, and that the poster isn't insane or unstable, but just a law school douche w/ bad judgment and a overblown sense of entitlement. I certainly hope my firm didn't hire her.
graduation speech merit is not the same as academic merit. the former requires skills that academics do not necessarily possess, and were probably too busy to learn...
88:
* Clients realizing they are paying $300/hr for something a monkey can do blindfolded.
HA. Epic meltdown. Well done.
84 -- I don't think its an oxymoron BUT there is a point here: I assume that most of the top USF students probably transferred after their first year, whether that be to Berkley or UCLA or Stanford or even Hastings.
imagine the email she said to ellie when she saw this was posted here.
ellie must get all sorts of hilarious ranting emails. maybe he should publish a book of them.
Elie, please DELETE the posts OUTTING this person.
100 is the op. note the habit of CAPITALIZING for emphasis.
If this douchebag is so full of herself and her "merit," why hasn't she asked herself why she's graduating from a dump like USF? I mean, is this TTT even accredited?
41= bitter gunner
This sort of stuff is so sad. Please, everyone, remember to maintain a healthy sense of identity and an independent existence outside your profession. Piling up a bunch of resume tags isn't what life is all about. Let's just hope this girl doesn't kick her own bucket if or when she ever hits a stumbling block in her apparently life-consuming career.
99 -- For the WIN!!!
That should be a bi-weekly post. Combine that idea with a comment of the week (or bi-week) and you would be onto something. You should send an email to Elie.
Firsty!!
Date: May 1st
Time: TBD
Place: Lipstick Building
To do: Bring a Rat
To tell yourself: Don't be a pussy
The person in this article is basically just like every piece of shit that reads/comments on this worthless website.
Holier Than Thou,
Guest
This thread needs a poll so we can vote on whether or not this is real.
Also, this thread is worthless without pictures.
99 -- For the WIN!!!
That should be a bi-weekly post. Combine that idea with a comment of the week (or bi-week) and you would be onto something. You should send an email to Elie.
What's wrong with outting someone who sent a message to the entire listserv? Where's the expectation of privacy?
109. that means she was elected in either law review or sba. lulz what gave her the idea she was going to be elected to speak.
and who considers participating in some appointed committee circle jerk constitutes major involvement? what does that take her? 2 hours a semester?
"[T]he person with the grades- not even by a longshot."
Wow, that was the best line in the whole damn e-mail.
She has supposedly done so much, but is still so insecure. Who gives a fuck who speaks at graduation? Presumably, she's one of the few in her class with something that actually matters -- a job.
The parents, grandparents, siblings, etc. of her other classmates may assume that the speaker is the valedictorian (and I'm not even sure that they necessarily will), but so what? I'm sure her own family knows how well she's done, she just felt the need to make it obvious to everyone in the entire school. Giving the speech is superficial validation. Even if the author were to give it, that hollow feeling inside would not go away.
114--Finally, at least one person wasn't asleep during torts.
Good grief, 100+ comments and no mention of Elie's latest grammatical blunder?
"The University of San Francisco School of Law decided to have an open competition to chose its student speaker at graduation."
Its CHOOSE.
@100 - She's fair game with that rant to the USF student body. I'm sure everyone is glad she's not going to be ranting about how great she is throughout their graduation.
119--You're almost funny, for a grammar queen. You wrote: "Its". Think about it, moron, at least for a nano-second.
Also, 109, the person who wrote the law review article to which you cited is on the SBA (Job Search Committee Co-Chair).
diana abdala, pick up a white courtesy phone... paging diana abdala...
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. Where I went to college (small, southern military school eviscerated by the Supreme Court) the senior class voted on who they wanted to be dubbed the Valedictorian and give a speech as such at graduation. I think about the top 50 to 100 (of a class of 220) were eligible. There wasn't even some dumb speech competition. You just picked who you wanted to have to listen to talk. My experience over the course of a number of years of going is that that way you get a much better speech, from someone that people actually respect and want to listen to. They gave the two people with the highest GPA a medal and a cash award, but they certainly did not call them Valedictorian by reason only of GPA.
Too bad this guy/girl in San Fran is either a jerk or a dork and no one likes him.
I know the student (Im a fellow student at USF), and while it was not a total gunner meltdown, it was not a joke. She was pretty devastated by not being picked, and this was her not-so-graceful way of showing it. That said, she was probably one of the more liked "gunners" at the school, though after this, who knows...
At least she will always be remembered by her classmates now. Wasn't that what she wanted anyway? Same ends, different means.
117,
You're talking about superficial validation when that's what seems to keep most of the people here going with a "My law firm is more prestigious than yours!" attitude that nobody outside of that small group of people gives a shit about.
127 -
Sorry, there's no intermediate option here, it's either a joke or a 100% certified meltdown.
127, "though after this, who knows..." Who knows?! Well, we (the ATL comment board, that is) sure as Hell know. And thank God none of us went/go to USF.
92: Funny enough, USF just made it back into the top 100, at 98. Not much, but we're happy to be moving up rather than down, for now.
For anyone else who isn't familiar with USF, I'd suggest you find the time to remove your heads from your asses, take a look around, and recognize that USF is just like every other law school/ant colony - we have some smart people and some dumb people, we have nice folks and some real jerks. Get over it.
As a general note, I know the writer of the email very well - she's a smart person with a good heart who just happened to react in an unfavorable fashion to what was understandably a big let-down. She's only an "asshole" to the extent that most law students are assholes relative to non-law students.
And to give 'props' to 33, yes, the real asshole in any of this is the person who submitted the email to ATL. I cannot understand the motivation. It is either pure vindictiveness or worse - some twisted need to be a part of something as hollow as internet gossip, which makes USF seem like the loser with an obnoxious/ironic phrase on his tee shirt, standing in the corner at the kegger, just hoping and praying to finally be noticed and thought cool by the popular kids. Insecure, and disgusting. In any event, I would much rather work alongside the writer of this email than any lame fool who thinks drawing such negative attention to our school is a good idea.
Does this constitute a search within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment, 114? Would this student have a cause of action for the tort of public disclosure of private facts? Against whom? Please analyze.
The VP's are hot!!!
She can take comfort that this too shall pass, because none of her so-called accomplishments amount to sh*t once she starts working, if she has a job at all.
127, if its not a joke then its a tgm, either or. no option c. "though after this, who knows..." no, after this, you know.
132: Sir, it's folks like you who write the pap that you wrote who make it clear to all why we sneer at TTT law schools like USF. Enjoy graduation.
135 -
This won't pass, now that's it's been sent to ATL this person will become as infamous as the Hudson River Diver.
This would actually be hilarious if written by the class stoner-slacker.
To those of you responding to this that go to USF School of Law and are outing a fellow classmate, you clearly have no standards of pride or loyalty...
128 -- wow. That is the credited response.
/walks away with head hung low realizing I couldn't see the forest through the trees.
The student body should scratch the results of the vote for speaker, declare that merit will now be taken into account, take another vote, and ensure that this student is yet again not picked. That would be awesome.
At least a million law students will learn something about Georgia auto insurance law...They'll need it too.
132 = author of this trainwreck
This seems like how we ended up with judicial merit selection, as in some one freaks out because democracy causes their POV to lose.
It's frustrating that some people are using this post as a reason to slam USF, the education it provides, and the people who went there.
Anyone who thinks USF sucks should ask the opinion of Justice Chin on the Cal. Supreme Court. USF undergrad & USF law alum.
I'm a USF grad, have a great job, and am very happy with my law school experience.
Fact Check:
-USF is accredited by the ABA.
-USF is not the same as San Francisco Law School.
-USF is a private Jesuit University with full-time and part-time law programs.
-Since I attended (2004-2007), USF has bounced between the bottom of Tier 2 and into the "unranked" Tier 3. (Maybe this year it'll break back in.)
-USF's first-time CA bar passage rate was 87% this year. http://www.calbar.ca.gov/calbar/pdfs/admissions/Statistics/JULY2008STATS.pdf
-I don't personally know any classmates who are unemployed at the moment (anecdotal - best I can do).
Am I gay?
Welcome to the New World Order - Obamaland. Hard work and merit have nothing to do with it.
If you feel that stongly about being slighted, either boycott the graduation - or walk out of the building when you receive your diploma and before the speeches. Taking it gracefully clearly is not an option.
As an attorney and potential employer viewing this, I would question the judgment of this student in sending an EMAIL out to the entire student body. We live in an age where email is *not* confidential - hence, the appearance of this letter on ATL.
As an employer, would I want to work with this person? Life is full of disappointment - the law can often be one knock down after another. Do you think you are going to win every motion you write, no matter how much time you spend on it? Are you going to get every job you apply for, just because you research the firm and really really want them?
But for someone to lash out at classmates, potential colleagues and future attorneys who could be in the position to hire as General Counsel or what not - this person may have burned a few bridges.
I feel sorry for this person. S/he used an improper venue to vent her disappointment and frustration. But wake up - this is life. You don't always get what you want. And sometimes, it comes back to bite you in the butt.
SFO=TTT. We need some more T10 law school gossip.
USF Law=TTT. We need some more T10 law school gossip.
Sounds like Tracy Flick is on the loose again.
"My school's valedictorian gave the most contrived, worthless speech I'd heard in years-- and I expected it, given the student's flat personality."
We may have gone to school together.
The USF folks seem a little too defensive. Get over it. Your "defense" makes you seem insecure about your school. Otherwise, you wouldn't feel the need to defend it.
132 -- I feel sorry for the writer, but there were much better (read: non-public) ways of dealing with the disappointment: getting drunk, crying, venting to your friends, trying to be more likable in the future, whatever it be. Discretion and self-control, especially among lawyers, are invaluable skills, and hopefully, she's learned that the next time something in life doesn't go her way, she can be upset about it, but should vent out her frustration in a non-public way that won't be likely to result in something like this happening.
Because they're so easy to disseminate, mass-distributed e-mails are dangerous. If you're not prepared for what you're saying potentially to be shared with a wider audience, then you should think twice about the tone and sentiments of your message. This isn't to justify someone forwarding the message onto Above the Law, but unfortunately, those people exist, and the only way to avoid the problem is to be more discreet / sensible in reacting to disappointment in life.
Why would they publish her article on Georgia insurance law? It's not even a Georgia school.
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it." -- William Munny
I'M AT THE TOP OF THE CLASS BITCHES! I'M THE BEST DAMN STUDENT AT THIS SCHOOL! I'VE DONE MORE FOR USF THAN THE 5 NEXT GUNNERS COMBINED!!
133
For law school
132: Yes, it sucks - but all posts on ATL suck for those mentioned. Frankly, if you send an email to an entire student body at your law school, especially an email that is this hilarious and whiny, you should expect for it to end up on ATL. And I guess, the author wasn't aware of this thing called the internets and thought her/his identify could be kept secret - again, fail. Gunners suck, because by definition they're douches and think they are entitled - she should be happy that one of her peers, who maybe partied a little too much and failed to get good grades, but is obviously still talented at something, gets to be honored for that.
how could someone with such a winning personality not be selected as graduation speaker?
USF in second tier per leaked USWR rankings. See http://brightcoast.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/rank2.gif.
132 is right on. The glee with which people are ripped apart on this site is equally ugly and insecure. It just is people. Now feel free to rip apart my grammar and tell me I am TTT. I hope it makes you feel better. In fact, I did go to a TTT school where I did well and now I make the same money as you, eat in your cafeteria, oppose you in litigation, drive the same car, own the same home. Imagine that. How did someone so unworthy rise to the top.
132- unless you actually wrote the email.... you would not describe her as someone with a good heart. yes, she may be nice to your face, but she's a mean mean person who obviously thinks she is way better than anyone else and will step on anyone who refuses to laud her for her accomplishments.
#158 - You'll find that most USF Law grads feel a lot of pride at having gone to school there, but have a big chip on their collective shoulders from constantly being compared to Hastings, UCB, Stanford, Santa Clara, et al (myself included).
On a side note, the culture of the school was actually very anti-gunner when I was there. I'm sure this was just a disappointed student having a bad day.
Yep, this is exactly the person I would want to speak in front of my close family and friends.
And he/she could have spoken about how life is a cookie cutter and everything always works out the way it is supposed to!
Oh, what could have been...
lol. She's on the SBA's job search committee.
"I'm not only the head; I'm also a member"
WINNER WINNER MUNGER DINNER
At my law school, the valedictorian led the Pledge of Allegiance (thus getting recognition for that accomplishment) and walked first. The class speaker was selected by a student committee using who-knows-what criteria (our class speaker was good).
Ironically, in her article title footnote, she writes "I am grateful to my friends for keeping me sane and grounded."
This was a terrible lack of judgment for someone who is clearly bright. She knew the criteria going in and assailing the students (her future colleagues) who did not pick her is a poor social and professional choice. Winding up on the internet is an obvious consequence of sending a list-wide rant and should serve as a catiounary lesson to future angry and entitled students (and attorneys).
I transferred out of USF after 1L... and even I think I can guess which person this is.
Re USF Law: I will say that I learned a lot at USF, it was a quality school, but the attitude and environment there was terrible. But that being said, I'm glad I spent 1L there so I could get a solid foundation, and so that I could appreciate how much nicer and more laid back people are here at the higher ranked school I am graduating from in May.
i dont want her to speak at graduation but i wouldnt mind hearing her thoughts about atl.
and for those blaming the atl tipster, a quick google search of the emails text shows it was posted on the internet days ago.
I'd be pretty mad too if I had her credentials and lost out to this Zach Hansen character.
http://www.usfca.edu/org/sba/about/
I transferred out of USF after 1L... and even I think I can guess which person this is.
Re USF Law: I will say that I learned a lot at USF, it was a quality school, but the attitude and environment there was terrible. But that being said, I'm glad I spent 1L there so I could get a solid foundation, and so that I could appreciate how much nicer and more laid back people are here at the higher ranked school I am graduating from in May.
171 = zeke?
Umm, this is either the funniest fake email ever sent, or the SF graduation ceremony is going to be a massacre. Seriously, if not a joke, SF should hire a ton of security. I'm a graduating 3L who is emotionally stable and well adjusted, but there are a ton of freaks in any law school class. Way funny, or way scary.
The University of Houston student speaker had an email campaign for the honor. Tool.
USF had a higher first time pass rate than Hastings (by 6%) and was only 2% lower than Boalt this year.
I know of hundreds of USF alumni who are partners at major firms.
The people downing USF in this thread probably were admitted to Harvard Law based on a sizable donation from their families. Those who thrive on nepotism love to denigrate the efforts of those who succeed on merit because it quells their insecurities.
Pls someone post later the crowd rxn when she walks at graduation. kthx.
132 and 163 are right. This email is obviously the product of a "total gunner meltdown," but that should give us reason to show pity and sympathy, not vile and disrespect. Everyone makes mistakes. It's part of life. Leaving anonymous, sarcastic messages on the internet about the shortcomings of others, most of whom you don't know and don't have any context with which to judge, is ugly and insecure.
Please use your judgment. Show some respect. Don't say anything you wouldn't say to someone's face, in the presence of your mother, a potential employer, and David Lat.
Wow... the economy must be super super bad if you all have time to propagate this nasty gossip. And for all you law students out there... finals must be a piece of cake if you would rather try to out the author of this email than worry about your own grades. Btw, the email was sent NOT to the Student Body. but only to the graduation committee. Ellie get it right! And for those that have the gall to mention possible names, why don't you be so kind to give your name as well. I'm sure the whole law community would love to know douche bags like you too!
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178, i thought we established merit had no place at USF?
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Does anyone know where University of San Franscisco Law School ranked in the Cooley Law rankings???
What a whiner. Welcome to the world, moron.
Thanks, ATL, for making USF S.O.L. relevant!
1. I am a USF Law student.
2. This student is a gunner.
3. USF is a good school with a ton of friendly people but it is not a top tier school.
4. This student deserves all of the criticism and I look forward to making snarky comments behind her back in the hallways.
"Please use your judgment. Show some respect. Don't say anything you wouldn't say to someone's face, in the presence of your mother, a potential employer, and David Lat."
I'll walk into my boss's office right now and tell him that, had I done this, I would have expected to have been fired and possibly sued for damaging the firm's reputation. My mom would agree with me.
Fact: Sally White is hot.
I think this student did the right thing. I think he or she should also urinate in front of the "student body".
i feel bad if the op gets outted but can anyone think of an email that contained so much frikin identifying information? she might as well have appended her resume.
181, well put!
Wow... the economy must be super super bad if you all have time to propagate this nasty gossip. And for all you law students out there... finals must be a piece of cake if you would rather try to out the author of this email than worry about your own grades. Btw, the email was sent NOT to the Student Body. but only to the graduation committee. Ellie get it right! And for those that have the gall to mention possible names, why don't you be so kind to give your name as well. I'm sure the whole law community would love to know douche bags like you too!
no 175, zeke loves us and thinks the people at his new school are much more toolish than USFers. Which they are. Because they're privileged, lazy, whiny T10 asshats.
171 was def. nervous T10 1L.
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195: Holy shit, the bitch is married?! And to think I was feeling sorry for the good (if stupid) folks at USF. Wow.
195: Holy shit, the bitch is married?! And to think I was feeling sorry for the good (if stupid) folks at USF. Wow.
Fact: Christi Brady is hot.
This is not a gunner meltdown. This is disgraceful immaturity. Hopefully she learns some tact and humility from her mistakes.
OMG, this is serious and not a joke?! She's nuts like Nancy Grace?!...she should go on The Nancy Grace Show and rant about this, that would be one hot mess!
SWeet sunglasses, Zach.
I am a current USF student and Zack was not the one picked to be student speaker
Hey, this is why the top people in your class often end up as total failures.
@206 oh yeah b/c this happens ALL THE TIME
That's the best reason then why Zach should not be attacked here @205
Correction, 206. Going to TTTs like USF is why people end up as total failures.
HoTTTies!!!!!!
This is great news for egg lovers.
USF students out there -- what's the mood like today? Have people talked to her? What do people think about her ending up on ATL?
Read this email this morning; just re-read. Still SOOO hilarious.
To the author: Be publicly contrite real quick. It worked for Michael Phelps; it can work for you. No one expects you to be sincere, but that's okay.
Better than stripping off your clothing and jumping in the East River I suppose. But man it's a close call...