Summer Cuts at Buchanan Ingersoll
Even though we’ve been busy covering the start dates of graduating 3Ls, we don’t want to ignore what is going on with summer programs.
So let’s catch up with the news out of Philadelphia. Summer programs are so short there that summer associates won’t be able to get in more than a couple of trips to Atlantic City.
We’ve already reported that Blank Rome will have a six week summer program. The Legal Intelligencer reports that Buchanan Ingersoll will also have a short summer:
Buchanan Ingersoll will also scale back its 2009 summer associate program by three weeks, bringing it down to seven weeks, the spokeswoman said. She said there will be 10 summer associates firmwide compared to the 23 summers the firm had in 2008.
How competitive will those seven weeks be? Last summer, Buchanan Ingersoll extended offers to 13 of its 23 summer associates. But maybe the small program will allow the firm to give offers to all of its summers?
Buchanan Ingersoll Puts Off Start Dates, Cuts Summer Program [Legal Intelligencer]
Earlier: Nationwide No Offer Watch: Buchanan Ingersoll
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FirsTTT
"We want to ignore"
It's good to ignore summer programs!
This is getting ridiculous. Eventually, one of these summers is going to file a claim against one of these firms. Maybe a reliance/promissory estoppel-type argument.
Hope things are better for my class next summer.
13 of 23? Goddam who would be interested in this firm?
Do we know market pay for summer associates yet in NY, DC?
If you are a female summer, best way to secure your future is to allow a senior associate or partner to pound you in the ass upon request. This is not rocket science.
What firms are also cutting SA pay, in addition to shortening summer programs?
5, those who are good enough to be among the 13.
Can you just please block the anal guy?
I have decided to enjoy my summer, take the free booze and head to a boutique tax firm in DC or a corporate/bankruptcy firm in Wilmington. Money is still great (partners at many Wilmington firms make $1.5M+) and you can actually enjoy your life at those places. I'm done with Biglaw before I even started.
ummmmmm this was on law.com 3 days ago.
Because the Dow Jones is at 1997 levels, associate pay should be too ($60-70,000 for first years). Anyone know if summers were making the same as first years in 1997?
@10 = racist, probably from Texas.
we want to ignore what is going on with summer programs.
we want to ignore what elie has done to this site.
9 assumed he would be in the top 10% of his class along with everyone else
I bet if these summers reasonably relied on a 10 week summer and now have to pay for an apartment for three weeks with no job that they can sue based on equitable and/or promissory estoppel under Restatement (second) to recover the difference between the nice apartment they decided to get and the cheap place they would have gotten BUT FOR the shortening of the summer.
Sooner or later, when enough 2Ls file estoppel lawsuits, this sort of thing will stop.
This is nothing compared to the cut in first years at Latham - 50% out in the first 6 months!
16, I knew I would be, and I was. Thanks.
--9
Hi, I'm the economy and this is what I'm doing to you.
1. Pull out my 10" sausage.
2. Make you suck it, causing you to choke numerous times.
3. Making you lube it up, knowing where it will go.
4. Putting you on your knees and ram it in faster than you expected in your worst fears, making you scream helplessly.
5. Flipping you over and doing you missionary anal style.
6. While you lay on your back, lifting your butt in the air, so you're resting on your neck and shoulders. banging you that way as I stand over you (you're looking at my taint).
7. Gonig back for more doggie.
8. shooting all over your face.
9. making you lick the brown stuff off of my sausage.
That's what I'm dong to you. I'm the economy.
Any Latham first years commit suicide yet today?
20 is disgusting. block him!
20, I was ok with the anal guy, it was marginally funny, and marginally offensive but I didn't have a problem with him. You have just taken this to a whole new level that is just far too graphic. In the future please stick to general averments to anal rape.
20, you SERIOUSLY need to get laid. Instead of "lawyering" why don't you become a writer for Playboy, or better yet Hustler because your writing isn't quite good enough for Playboy. Get a life and stop boring us with your nonexistent sex life.
21 - not cool dude.
Other Philly firms with shortened summers:
Ballard and Schnaeder.
Also, if i'm not mistaken, Buchanan has no summers in Philly this year.
20---I hope all the worthless Career Service Offices around the country at keeping track of what douchey firms are doing during these bad times.
Hey 11,
Good luck with that plan. Take a look at who makes partner in those small firms - they either (1) worked in NY for years before going to small law so that they could develop the client base needed to support their local counsel book of business; or (2) have strong ties to the local government and are very connected.
Unless your dad was a federal judge or senator, I suggest you plan on spending more than just a summer at biglaw.
why would they kill themselves on the eve of the glorious 190 man march with inflatable raft in front of the lipstick building on may 1?
10 & 22 - why are you promoting anal blockage?
20 is right. There are certain v10s that have done massive layoffs and other places where partners routinely try to fuck the junior women. These hideous desperate partners protect anyone who'll open teh legs to them. I could name specific partners and juniors right now, but will not.
It's fucked up, but very true. Elie, be a real journalist and do an expose. AboveTheLaw could be a useful agent of change if you wanted.
ON MAY 1ST, WE ARE ALL LAID-OFF LATHAM 1ST YEARS.
PROTEST WITH US AT THE LIPSTICK BUILDING ON 53RD AND 3RD. BRING A RAT.
Other than Latham and Proskauer, who laid off first years?
Piece of advice to the summers -- read Section 90 if the Restatement, then call an attorney, then profit.
20 just made me laugh really hard for about 7-9 seconds. Thanks, 20!
Step One: Get fired
Step Two: Restatement Section 90
Step Three: Profit!!
20 is obscene and violent. If the comments are moderated, 20 is precisely the type of message that should be removed.
Anal in the missionary position? Is that physically possible? Someone please explain.
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I think we're at a tipping point of class action promissory estoppel claims.
At TTThompson Hine, they made a lot of irresponsible decisions, then fired a bunch of associates and cut salaries by $17,500 annual.
Are you an associate at Thompson Hine? If so, their shitty decisions cost you a total of $17,500 this year. Total of $35,000 next year. Total of $52,500 come year three.
Long story short, their feeding everyone a hot juicy dick sandwich, and people are understandably upset. Under the circumstances, although it is somewhat vitriolic, I'm don't know that it is childish to suggest that many of the partners at Thompson Hine are morons that don't understand simple risk management principles, have no idea how to run their own business, and should therefore inspire considerable skepticism in any client considering allowing the firm to advise its business operations.
Just my opinion. Call it childish if you like.
-Rogue Associate
38, you have the internet, look it up. A picture is worth a thousand words.
38
That's how actual loving gay couples roll -
jeesh!
What about with a lady? Is anal missionary feasible?
44 is a moron. What is in any way different about the positioning of a female's anus when she is lying in the missionary position versus that of a male? What radically misinformed notions do you have about the female body that you don't understand that our butts are in the same places and we lie on our backs the same way?
Have you even ever seen a naked woman?
44 - And with a lady it would be different why?
Ha ha. 45, you rule. Can I have your number?
Geez, sorry. Just wondering how anal missionary would work. Call me a puritan if you need to.
-44
damn pwnage by 45
We just need to make sure that these assholes don't shit all over our dicks and our pussies.
Why are firms even having summer associate programs? If they are recruiting to a substantial degree from the so-called T-14 schools, why do they need a looksee before extending an offer? Most of these kids would leave the firms within two years anyway, at least before this economic downturn. The model is costly, and partners would be better off taking the actual costs associated with summers and instead pay it out in merit based bonuses. The very best associates would be rewarded in this way.
28, you seriously think working in big law for a few years before switching to the small firm, is better than working all those years at that small firm in the first place, for a person of the same level of talent? Wow. You actually think the first person will have more clients than the second person, who has been working with local clients for years? You think the big firm's clients will follow a mid-level associate who leaves his firm? It's amazing that big firms even still have any remaining clients, if that is true, given how so many midlevels leave historically and take their big bank clients with them.
You seem to confuse correlation (graduates of top schools tend to start out at big firms and later make partner at a lesser firm) with causation.
5 - That world has ceased to exist. Welcome to the real world where you actually have to compete to get and keep your job based on you ability and work ethic, and not what school you went to or what your grades are! Oops!
PE - If the future of biglaw hiring will be in project management, legal knowledge management and legal risk management will I need a JD or can just save time and money and go with an MBA?
20: thanks for describing my gameplan with summer and permanent associates of the fairer sex this summer.
-CLS 2L Stud
There once was a firm named Buchanan,
That threw out –
Like used cups of Dannon –
Its summer class clutter –
Left them laying in the gutter –
As Versace was left by Cunanan.
--Sir Frederick B. Limerick
(circa 2009)
for the jerk in my law school that summered at this TTT firm and made fun of us choosing to go to boutiques (we were ranked higher in the class and all went to employment/ip/tax boutiques), i say HA HA you fucking POS. Not only were you one of the people that were no-offered, you are still out of a job.
for everyone else, my sympathies. best of luck.
56 = awesome
Buchanan is cutting summers? But Pappa Slotnick's son is suing Woody Allen! I read all about it! How can they not being doing well with such well thought out cases and total nepostism in their ranks? Shocker.
7 - In that case, the "hypothetical" associate would be selling her ass, not her brains. But your advice retains its value, since, in all-too-many cases, that's where most attorneys' heads are.
44 - Are you offering? My guess is you work in banking or real estate.
LOL.
45, you are awesome.
LOL.
45, you are awesome.
45 and all her idolaters: please google "anogenital distance" and learn that there is a difference between the sexes in the position of that orifice.
Also, I hear a certain "top IP firm" HQ'd in NYC just pushed start dates to January.
Alas, I meant to say -- 45, Are you offering? My guess is you work in banking or real estate.
My apologies to 44.
--61
Alas, I meant to say -- 45, Are you offering? My guess is you work in banking or real estate. At least, you should.
My apologies to 44.
--61
Why does Elie think Buchanan Ingersoll is a Philly firm when its main office is in Pittsburgh?
Is it better to soft offer their summers if you do not need their services so they have a chance to reinterview or give them an offer and fire them within a few months of them starting thereby ruining their career? I guess Latham has never pondered about this..