Nationwide Layoff Watch: Harvard Law School
(Or: Welcome to the End Times)
At what point does a disaster movie become a horror movie? I keep waiting for Will Smith or Dennis Quaid to show up, do something cool, and save the economy. Instead, I’m starting to feel like the black guy that has no shot whatsoever of making it out of the mall.
Anyway, The Harvard Crimson reports:
Harvard Law School will lay off staff members in response to budgetary constraints imposed by University administrators, acting Dean Howell E. Jackson said Monday.The likely layoffs come amidst continued estimates of a 30 percent decline in endowment value by year’s end and a corresponding reduction in the endowment payout—a major source of funding for the University’s different schools that accounts for 40 percent of the Law School’s annual revenue.
If law schools are the “cash cows” of the university system, then HLS is like a cow that squirts Johnny Walker Blue.
A recent University request for a 10 percent reduction in the Law School budget has made staff layoffs inevitable as the school works to maintain its commitments to financial aid and its educational priorities, Jackson said in an interview with The Crimson Monday.“These are material changes that will affect our budgets in future years,” Jackson said. “We will need to reduce our staff levels in order to live within our new means.”
I’m not sure I’m prepared to live in a world where Harvard is anything less than an extravagant temple to education and impractical elitism.
After the jump, tipsters are apoplectic.
Some tipsters are annoyed about the lack of transparency surrounding HLS right now. Of course, neither HLS nor Harvard University thrives on “transparency.” But it certainly seems like, there was some questionable management of Harvard’s mega-endowment.
But the bigger question is whether these staff cuts will impact the law school’s student services. One tipster thinks that these cuts will hurt students:
There is no way these layoffs won’t affect the “educational mission” of HLS. The people who work at Harvard all contribute to the educational experience at the school. Furthermore, the school says it will cut 10% this year and 8-12% the next year - this would inevitably affect programming near and dear to students’ hearts, like clinical programs.
The Crimson reports that some cuts have already taken place:
But according to labor activist and first-year law student Marissa A. Vahlsing, the school has already initiated de facto staff cuts, asking subcontractors to cut their expenses, which has resulted in job losses and the summer closure of a cafe in the basement of Harkness Commons, the Law School student center.Student labor activists present at a brief private meeting with Jackson last week said that the acting Dean was unaware of the impending cafe closure and criticized the lack of transparency in the decision making process regarding layoffs.
Noooooo. Not the Hark!!
Seriously though, announcing these cuts over the summer seems like a calculated move made to avoid significant student criticism.
It is somewhat nice to hear about law students getting angry on behalf of staffers that are about to lose their jobs.
Harvard Law School Faculty? It’s your turn.
Law School Will Cut Staff To Trim Budget [The Harvard Crimson]




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ouchie ouch
Regent to T14!
first?
FIRST. Suck it!
Maybe now HLS will have to deal with not having someone to do EVERYTHING for you re: your job search, clerkships, wiping your butt. The amount of people they have working there is obscene. Maybe the students will actually do something for themselves now...shocking revelation, I know.
No excuse Harvard. Just pay up. So your endowment is down to what? 20 Billion?
Perhaps Harvard should not have overinvested its endowment in the stock market. That said, it's doing much better than its sister Ivy schools.
Harvard to 190!
[insert food court joke here]
Stop paying the overinflated salaries of faculty members and start recruiting from the local community colleges. It's a buyer's market these days in academics.
seriously, closing the food court for the summer is not news. Most law schools do that.
How in the world did Harvard lose 30%? I know of a number of liberal arts schools that lost more like 15-20%. That 10% gap is pretty significant when you're talking about a pot of money the size of Harvard's endowment.
"according to labor activist and first-year law student Marissa A. Vahlsing"
THAT's what is wrong with Harvard. First years should be outlining, panicking, or furiously masterbating, not organizing labor unions.
Mixed malts are TTT.
Stop overreacting and pass around a collection plate, Harvard, among your old boy connections. You'll be fine.
This is what is wrong with non-profit status. Harvard has, even after the downtown, a roughly $20 billion endowment. But it can't afford to pay the salaries of a few hundred (at most a few thousand) employees? Why don't we stop allowing these institutions to shelter their money from tax? Or in the alternative, require them to spend more than 5% of their endowment annually? I am no liberal but Harvard is using this as an excuse to simply increase its endowment to even more ridiculous levels that it will NEVER spend.
Harvard's USNEWS rank next year: TTT
Other top law schools such as the University of Chicago rely on endowment funds for only a small percentage of their operating budgets and have not had to layoff staff. This is a problem unique to Harvard, which relies on it's endowment for a huge portion of it's funding. For the first time it actually sucks to have a large endowment. I'm sure students will see a decline in the quality of their experience, particularly the all important job placement and OCI staff!
Ms. Vahlsing is free to pay a few thousand extra dollars in tuition in order to keep the staff on the payroll.
If anyone needed further evidence that the Ivy Leaguers are not necessarily more intelligent than the rest of us, here it is.
"For the first time it actually sucks to have a large endowment"
Speak for yourself, 18. I'm getting tons of tail with my large endowment.
-v10 stud
5: Do you mean things like proof reading, and learning how to analyze the law in a competent manner when writing a blog entry?
Harvard? What state is that in?
Cut all the profs and just show Barbri videos. It would cost a hell of a lot less, and the students might actually learn something.
3L OUT!!!
I imagine the students are less concerned about the staff who will be laid off, and more concerned about the effect this might have on public perception of their "prestigious" institution, and by extension, themselves.
21,
You seem to suffer from an amazing delusion of grandeur. That endowment you speak of is nothing more than a nubbin of flesh hidden in those massive folds of flesh you call your body. It's as small as a nipple. One could be easily fooled and believe you to be an eunuch.
Yale doesn't have these problems.
Excuse my maniacal laughter.
I'm at work and I misjudged a fart. What should I do? I'm wearing khakis, too.
Good,
Maybe this piece of shit school will finally start being ranked where it deserves...
These staff layoffs will cause a massive drop for Harvard's reputation among staff. No future staff with options will ever want to work at Harvard again. The laid-off staff all had plenty of other job offers when they were hired, and now they're out on the streets and their career has been ruined forever. Why would anyone want to hire a first-year cafe worker who has been laid off? It's possible Harvard might even drop out of the T10 in terms of prestige among staff, given the huge hit in their future staff recruiting. Never forget.
How does this latest development reflect upon the seaworthiness of an ocean going vessel?
31,
HAHAHAHA
-Tarbosh
29,
Happens to the best of us. I'd pull the fire alarm, then search the back of everyone's doors to find the guy that keeps an extra suit at the office. Steal it, change clothes, the perfect crime.
Good luck, and God bless . . .
Really Ellie? Dennis Quaid is your action hero? I mean what action movies has been in? Do you even know who Dennis Quaid is?
Why don't they just shut down the law school altogether if it is losing that much money?
When I attended Harvard it was still an all-male student body. The Radcliffe gals would come by time and again to visit, but when it came time for "lights out", only the the men were left on campus. How I long for those nights....
Elie, you are a moron.
In business, a cash cow is a product or a business unit that generates unusually high profit margins: so high that it is responsible for a large amount of a company's operating profit. This profit far exceeds the amount necessary to maintain the cash cow business, and the excess is used by the business for other purposes. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_cow)
Law schools are the opposite of "cash cows of the university system".
Please just let the editors at DealBreaker start managing this site...
24
I think you may be on something. I'd rather learn from Bar/Bri than listen to the flatulent bloviations of professors who think they enjoy "Socratic" dialogue. It's more of a monologue at Harvard.
"I keep waiting for Will Smith or Dennis Quaid to show up, do something cool, and save the economy. "
And that's the problem. Nimrod's like you expect someone to swoop in and save the day. Try contrbuting something positive to the economy. Heck, buy a copy of Strunk & White o your writing could stand the influence.
Festering TTT in decline. That said, we NYU students got mail from the dean saying "if harvard is cutting, you better believe we are."
I guess all the laid off staffers can go to work for the new St. Johns Fisher Law School in Rochester, for which some law prof at Roger Williams said there is an urgent need:
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20090507/NEWS01/905070381/1002/NEWS/St.+John+Fisher+College+leaning+toward+new+law+school+in+Rochester
37 is an imposter. PE did not go to Harvard.
37 (Partner Emeritus): I'm a fan of yours, but you just said you long for the lights out with all men ... how does that square with your conservative values?
What do you call it when an Harvard man cockpunches a Yalie?
45
In the good old days (think Partner Emeritus), it would have been called consensual sodomy.
Ahahahahahahaha. Are you kidding me? This is ridiculous. I just hope Harvard will be able to make it through these tough times.
This is in response to posting 43. I did indeed attend Harvard, despite your arbitrary insistence to the contrary. I can only presume that you did not.
But the real question is WILL THIS MARK THE END OF FREE COFFEE???
if Harvard gets 40% of their funding from endowment, shouldn't their tuition be 40% less than other schools?
44, perhaps you realize that 37 is a lame impostor of "Partner Emeritus" who created the separate account of "Partner Emertius" (notice the difference in name spelling)?
@ 7 -- I don't have a comprehensive chart or anything, but that 0% figure is much higher than what other Ivy League schools seem to have lost. Sounds like Harvard screwed up worse than the rest.
the numbers don't lie...
HLS's drop in endowment = 30%
CLS's drop in endowment = only 22%
further proof that CLS > HLS
When I was at HLS years ago, the staff were some of the worst imaginable. They treated the students like crap, and the school didn't care. The question now is, will the student experience be better or worse with fewer crappy staff?
THANKS, OBAMA!
THANKS, OBAMA!
THANKS, OBAMA!
A vote for a democrat is a vote for the death of America. Jihadists rejoice!
...idiots.
What would HLS be without its free beach volleyball court and winter ice-skating rink??? If they go after the free tampons in the bathrooms I'll no longer be proud to call it my alma matter.
HLS 3L
@47 Partner Emeritus =/= Partner Emertius
37 & 48 same imposter.
everyone has gambled on a fart and lost
This is in response to post no. 44. Even those of us with the most conservative values went through period of experimentation in college. For it is a foolish conservative who suggests he has never had any impure thoughs. Even to this day I must consciously suppress my most primal urges.
Well, this seals it. I will NEVER give a dime to HLS. Keep sending me those fundraising letters, but know that you're just wasting postage/paper. For a school that has the resources to provide free tuition for all of its students until the end of time to do something like this is just absurd.
HLS '05
the numbers don't lie...
HLS's drop in endowment = 30%
CLS's drop in endowment = only 22%
further proof that CLS > HLS
Partner Emertius: I should introduce you to Partner Emeritus, I think he's your type but he's still in the closet. Do you think you could boom-boom with him?
Sounds like the groundwork for a tuition hike at HLS has already been laid.
the numbers don't lie...
Harvard's drop in endowment = 30%
Columbia's drop in endowment = only 22%
further proof that CLS > HLS
HLS should take a page from the Obama playbook:
1. borrow money
2. spend 30% more than what it has in revenues
3. repay its lenders with hope and change
Democrats have run EVERYTHING in California, driving that state into the ground; billions in debt.
And now the Dems are running our entire federal government. Hmmmm.... I wonder what's going to happen.
ECONOMIC COLLAPSE. Thanks democrats! People are killing themselves thanks to you!
But i guess libs just see that as a "very late term abortion."
Always on the side of the death of America, liberals are.
@ 60 -- Right on.
-- 54
So what if the new PE is just an imposter - he's still 1000 times funnier than the original (and has yet to fail epically by ridiculing someone who committed suicide).
66, don't forget the great states of Michigan, Rhode Island, New York, New Jersey...
25, the students that only care for their reputation haven't noticed that the staff are being cut. The students that are raising awareness in an effort to protect the lowest paid workers are truly concerned.
The staff that are being cut are the lowest paid and thus the cuts will have the least impact on the effort to save money; they are at the bottom of the totem pole and so have less skills to offer in a newly competitive market, making the possibility of timely job replacement less likely; and they earn low wages and so are likely to have less savings and more debt. They are also more likely to be part time and thus have more limited health care choices.
In reality many of the staff in the cafeteria are driving in from New Hampshire and sometimes even Maine; holding down two jobs; and supporting many members of their families. You only have to talk to a handful of them to figure this out.
The point is that HLS shouldn't be looking to these people first to save money. There's no reason why cutting their jobs makes economic sense, and ethical reasons to attempt to reshuffle other costs before turning to them.
Its just a question of picking on the weak. They're the least likely employees to protest and the students are (minus the ones quoted in the story) least likely to care about them vs. a favorite professor.
Harvard is too rich and too powerful to have to resort to firing janitors and cafe workers to save money. Cut the fat somewhere else.
Harvard has not provided sufficient justification for its decision to reduce its endowment payout, and Dean Jackson needs to stand up to the Harvard University administration and the fellows of the Corporation to demand a more reasonable, responsible response. Harvard has a huge (tax-payer subsidized) cushion...it may be smaller than it was a year ago, but it is still huge. Now is the time to use it. This is an opportunity for HLS to take a leadership role at Harvard. It's also an opportunity for HLS to take the lead among law schools in being innovative, creative, compassionate, democratic, transparent and just in how it responds to this economic crisis. It can emerge stronger.
Since when did the Hark have a basement? Are they talking about the cafe on the first floor, or is there some faculty-staff exclusive cafe that no one knows about?
The ship be sinking...
If you're pissed at HLS and Harvard, sign this petition now: http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/slam/petition5
Harvard needs a savior donor. Someone that will do for them what T Boone does for Oklahoma State.
@29 -- Awesome awesome schtick. You should go pro with that.
@Harvard
God forbid an institution full of intelligent people actually, you know, play it safe with money or consider the longterm ramifications of their spending decisions. God forbid any entity actually tighten its belt during a storm, even when things are comparably bright inside, so that they don't end up in GM's shoes someday down the line.
If HLS continues down its current path, the educational experience will deteriorate, prospective students will have a good reason to choose Yale and Stanford over HLS, and its treasured status in the law school rankings will be threatened. Right now, Dean Jackson is just parroting what he hears from the fellows of the Harvard Corporation and Vice President Ed Forst, who comes from Goldman Sachs (and the first failed TARP bail-out benefiting GS) and has no experience working in an educational setting or non-profit setting. It's time for HLS to look closer at other options. If Harvard doesn't use its endowment to weather this storm and instead throws its staff under the bus, Massachusetts should stop putting up with the BS and tax the hell out of the endowment. In fact it will need the extra money to help it pay for the devastation Harvard will be bringing on the communities where these workers who will be laid off live (and also communities like Allston which now has a rat-infested hole where neighborhood businesses used to be, thanks to Harvard's cuts).
Maybe they should have spent the endowment?? Novel idea I am sure. F' Harvard. PE of course you went to Harvard what idiot would think otherwise.
Do people from Yale law school exist or are they just mythical beings?
Gentlemen at the legal preparatory academy with which I was once affiliated, which is, in fact, the selfsame institution described in this web log posting, encountered times when the legal preparatory found itself in economic distress, such that the legal preparatory academy was forced to discontinue the employment relationships between itself and certain of its employees, in particular those providing administrative and other support services. The gentlemen found it gauche that such a wealthy institution found itself in this position, were duly unimpressed, and hurled assorted calumnies and other related invective at the legal preparatory academy. To the assembled bystanders, it may have been considered amusing, but it was not of material significance or otherwise worthy of recordation.
74,
Do you know if there is there a petition we can sign if we go to HLS and support firing janitors and low-wage cafe workers in order to save money?
You've been gone too long, Legal Fraternity Lothario.
For those who support further reducing the size of the endowment in order to save staff jobs, google "eat your seed corn."
38, it would seem that HLS and other law schools of course are cash cows. Don't they spin off substantial profit (I know that is not the precise term in a non-profit using fund accounting) that helps support the rest of their respective universities? How does a law school differ from an SEC or Big 12 football program that subsidizes the rest of the athletic department?
How much does HLS pay its professors, anyway? Because I don't think I got my money's worth from Con Law this semester.
We need to send more professors to Washington to save costs.
There's nothing cuter than 1Ls calling themselves "labor activists.". Oh no! An overpriced latte barn is closing on level C! It's time for a 3 hour community gathering involving bullhorns and chanting! This is the most unfair thing that has happened to anyone ever in the history of the known universe! I have a trust fund and wrote my admissions essay about rescuing baby otters from the predations of strip miners and cleaning them with my pink hair dryer! Someday I hope to become an insufferable first year who will "bill" 2500 pro bono hours on some obscure immigration case and then file a discrimination lawsuit when I get shitcanned! I'll also be doing my very best to ignore the obvious parallels between Harvard firing janitors rather than famous professors, and my eventual BigLaw employer firing me rather than touching PPP! Save me, Obama! I'm helpless without you!
if you have a large endowment , it's best to make sure that the staff is uncut.
PE - Get a better icon. That guy was shitty in "Clear and Present Danger."
Oh no the sky is falling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've got a solution, instead of only admitting 450 students per class how about increasing that number to 900. Lets dilute the degree even more.
Harvard law to assembly line!
Fucking idiot labor activists. Who cares if people lose their jobs?
49- I don't think the faculty would let them take away Griswold 3 coffee, so there's that.
Kagan's tenure really was the golden age of HLS.
Not that she was managing their endowment or anything, but this year's 3Ls got the old 1L curriculum, firm jobs for 1L summer and a good 2L OCI recruiting market.
Those right behind us have a mess of letter and P/F grades on their transcripts but the same pressure come exam time, tougher job prospects, and they'll probably get screwed with tuition hikes and shitty administration in the years to come. Glad I'M ALMOST DONE BABY
-HLS '09
PE did not got to HLS, he was talking about Order of the Coif in another thread. HLS doesn't do Order of the Coif, sorry duder.
#85, that was great. please post more on this law chat blog.
85- Thanks for the lulz
"labor activist and first-year law student..."- yeah, i'm sure HLS can count on these types to revive the endowment after graduation.
86 - awesome
94- Give her until the fall. These sort of girls end up at the same "evil" law firms as everyone else.
94 & 82 - You're missing the major point. This endowment only exists un-taxed because up until now taxpayers have allowed it to exist. Harvard said it was a dependable employer and spender that helped the economy in the area stay stable even in economic downturns. In return Massachusetts backed off from taxing the endowment when it was taking in far more than it was spending.
At any rate, there are many ways that Harvard can cut costs to save money that do not require laying people off that there is no evidence Harvard is considering. For example, have they considered progressive compensation reductions like other schools have instituted, perhaps even on a voluntary basis?
In response to poster number 91, I did in fact attend Harvard Law. And no, Harvard law does not bestow "order of the coif" honors, as such superficial resume additions are not required for those with an HLS degree.
I am not sure, nor do I care, what other thread you may be referring to.
you can take my job, but you leave me my monkey!
latham truth of the day:
Latham has such a hard on for Harvard. At the same time, because no good person from Harvard would go to latham, even in good times of latham, they had to take foreign llms from harvard or crappy minorities. Now even harvard llms will snob latham.
Rumor has it PE and Tarbosh are heading to Maine to get hitched. I'm guessing Tarbosh is the bottom.
Latham is loosing their Paris office already.
http://www.legalweek.com/Articles/1197991/Winston+taps+Latham+for+Paris+litigation+team.html
Latham is a Persian housewife in Orange County
Why should Harvard keep people on its bloated payroll? It's a business, not a government welfare program.
LaTTTham. They know about being hard up.
104, Universities aren't just any other business. They have an ethos and community missions and all those other characteristics that allow them to keep their endowments tax free.
They don't act like other businesses and they don't get treated like other businesses. There's no reason for them to respond to this financial crisis created by those same businesses you speak of in a "business" manner.
Anyway cutting low paid cafe staff isn't going to make them any money, so its not a "business" like move in the sense that you mean.
104, Universities aren't just any other business. They have an ethos and community missions and all those other characteristics that allow them to keep their endowments tax free.
They don't act like other businesses and they don't get treated like other businesses. There's no reason for them to respond to this financial crisis created by those same businesses you speak of in a "business" manner.
Anyway cutting low paid cafe staff isn't going to make them any money, so its not a "business" like move in the sense that you mean.
104, Universities aren't just any other business. They have an ethos and community missions and all those other characteristics that allow them to keep their endowments tax free.
They don't act like other businesses and they don't get treated like other businesses. There's no reason for them to respond to this financial crisis created by those same businesses you speak of in a "business" manner.
Anyway cutting low paid cafe staff isn't going to make them any money, so its not a "business" like move in the sense that you mean.
I heard one staff member complaining about her layoff to the woman at the Hark Box cafe today.
I heard one staff member complaining about her box at the cafe today, gross conversation
Hey PE- you went to Harvard, huh? Why did you earlier post this today?
"To number 155 - I am indeed a former "BigLaw" partner, as you refer to it. I received a top of the line undergraduate education at Auburn and a law degree from American University. Please address me with respect."
Do everyone a favor and get a job.
What's on Harvard Law's crest anyway? Is it asparagus? Broccoli? Flower bouquets? Chia pets?
HARVARD = TTT
watch out Latham!!! You got company!!!
112: bales of hay.
PE,
Is this how you treat your associates? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTDz5hvNqTQ
Elie, you should feel like the black guy that has no shot of losing weight.
And why is it okay for you to make jokes with racial overtones, but if I call you an obese, affirmative action poster boy, my post gets deleted. Dare I say "double standard".
- Wesley Snipes in a Tanning Salon
Elie, you should feel like the black guy that has no shot at is losing weight.
And why is it okay for you to make jokes with racial overtones, but if I call you an obese, affirmative action poster boy, my post gets deleted. Dare I say "double standard".
- Wesley Snipes in a Tanning Salon
To the person who posted entry number 111: I am quite frankly amazed that you were unable to read through the dripping sarcasm of my quote which you excerpted. Neither Auburn nor American University are the slightest bit prestigious. I was attempting to mock those who crave prestige but lack the academic pedigree to back it up. I am afraid you are likely in that category.
To poster number 115 - indeed I have given many male associates worse punishments than that.
38: Pot calling the kettle black? You had to look up "cash cow" on Wikipedia for a definition?
(sorry, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_calling_the_kettle_black)
And yes, law schools definitely qualify.
Also, ELIE... why not find out what Harvard's fund manager was paid out in BONUSES this year? Weren't these clowns making $30M/year in previous years?
112/114,
They are sheaves of wheat, derived from the family crest of Isaac Royall, a Tory slaveholder who bequeathed money to Harvard College to establish a Chair in Law in 1781. His heirs later sold his estate and used the proceeds to endow Harvard Law School itself.
first
37 is correct, Elie.
This PE is not the real one. He's been posting as a fake PE a few days.
It is funny that people who went to HLS are so obsessed with it that they call it "The End Times" after a few layoffs. Suggesting that Harvard is immune from the worries of the "rest of us."
To test this thesis, I say Elie's quits ATL and tries to find a law firm job.
The laid off staff can follow their former bosses and work at the White House or the DoJ. DC is as much a toilet as Boston.
Change I can believe in.
Black man out of the mall. Sorry I don't get it. Loser.
P.E. - aka James Cromwell - the best line from all of his films is from "Babe" --- "that'll be enough Pig."
LOSSES RISE
ENDOWMENTS FALL
QUINN REMAINS
Knock off slamming on people who decide to do labor activism. People are entirely free to spend their time on whatever they want (e.g., making asinine comments on Above the Law, which I acknowledge is a royal waste of my time as well), and if people want to try to help support other people in bad situation--people who we see everyday and are willing to wash some of our spoiled brats dishes and provide polite, attentive service at our dining hall, etc.--then that's their business.
And to anyone who thinks that the quoted labor activist will go to a big firm, you're dead wrong in your uninformed judgment. If you're bitter you are working at a big firm, or our that you can't find a job (which I'm genuinely sorry about), then fine, but why make unfounded predictions about other peoples' lives with no basis?
-1L who realizes these are entirely predictable comments, but foolishly swallows the bait anyway to defend decent people, and will say that HLS could save tens of thousands in reducing the free alcohol, since we can afford it out of our own pockets
VeriTTTas
128- GET BACK TO STUDYING 1L!