first dong.

first dong.

Judge Moron T. Steele??

Fucking Fifth

Koniak sounds like the kind of asshole we don't need in the profession. It's a fucking joke amongst (supposed) friends-- who gives a fuck? The snitch who sent it to the press should get the shit kicked out of him in a dark alley.

swallowing cork was pretty hot

Christian Bale is hot. This man is not.

Absolutely not soft porn. In fact, it's nothing compared with the ads that they play during the Superbowl.

Maybe it would be a problem if the judge had sent it to a female subordinate with an intent to harass or demean. But he didn't.

i've seen racier stuff on those stupid network shows about foreign commercials. whoever's offended by this has a serious problem, unless they're in showbiz and are commenting on the production values in this POS video.

That girl works for me now.

-Pop Bottles

I'm offended not because it's sexist, but because it's utterly unfunny and has worse actors than most bar revue videos.

YOUTUBE OF ELIE (GUY IN SUIT @ 1:35)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pyW6w5B7Aw

Mish should resign. Not that she did anything wrong today. She is just very stupid.

Well the guy was a little bit corny,
But the librarian-type made him horny.
She swallowed the cork
And moved on to his pork
The BU bitch thinks this was soft porny?

Kash, do you go for this play
when you're bored with studying all day?
If you do then that's great!
Let's meet up at eight.
My name is "Whatever You Say."

-- by: The Lim Ricker

What the judge did is nothing compared to the atrocity of putting the Dealbreaker ad back on this website.

Speaking of that, maybe Koniak should comment on the Dealbreaker ad...Accordingly, women are greedy and violent.

Every time a crazy feminist tries to make a huge feminism dilemma out of nothing, it has the exact same effect as Elie calling every comment racist. See Children's Rhyme, The Boy Who Cried Wolf (Aesop, 1919).

Koniak is the one that should resign. What a fucking joke. Boston University. There is an eliTTTe school.

Is Boston University School of Law ABA accredited?

Come on!!! It's Delaware.

It's either this or.....well, it is Delaware. You figure it out (after you get a few loose chickens).

I just don't understand. What's wrong with the video? What's wrong with the Judge sending it to his friends for a laugh? What's wrong with America that things like this are newsworthy?

13: those people in that video definitely have a promissory estoppel claim.

"no chicken?!?! or are they just out of chicken?"

lol

The video is not a big deal, but that is a pretty weak defense from the Wilmington lawyer, seeing as how it could apply equally well to a snuff film.

I think Susan should resign immediately from BU law on the basis of her display of tremendous stupidity in characterizing this as anything to get worked up about. Do you realize, Susan, that under your logic every single judge in the United States would have to resign? Because every single judge makes, or has made, practical jokes of equivalent "offensiveness." I'm serious too about you resigning - this is beyond the ordinary nut-job rhetoric we hear from the feminazi crew - this boarders on insanity. If I went to BU, I would create a shit storm over this lunatic professor. Does anyone know anything about her? Like has she recently sufferred brain trauma? Perhaps just gay, grew up without a father that loved her, and would exterminate all men on earth at the drop of a hat if she could?

Look, it's not an offensive video. It's offensive because a judge sent it around to a bunch of all-male colleagues, including former clerks. It's upsetting as evidence of the boy's-club, vaguely misogynist culture most professional women assume flourishes when they're not around. It's also an affirmation of women's sense that they will never develop the kinds of business relationships that men will, partly because older men incorporate demeaning views of women into the social dimensions of their business relationships -- and exclude women as a result (even if they don't consciously seek an all-male cadre).

For the record, this is also the (primary) reason it's upsetting to hear about men taking male clients out to strip clubs to bond and talk shop.

That dealbreaker.com ad really is terrible!

I think Susan should resign immediately from BU law on the basis of her display of tremendous stupidity in characterizing this as anything to get worked up about. Do you realize, Susan, that under your logic every single judge in the United States would have to resign? Because every single judge makes, or has made, practical jokes of equivalent "offensiveness." I'm serious too about you resigning - this is beyond the ordinary nut-job rhetoric we hear from the feminazi crew - this boarders on insanity. If I went to BU, I would create a shit storm over this lunatic professor. Does anyone know anything about her? Like has she recently sufferred brain trauma? Perhaps just gay, grew up without a father that loved her, and would exterminate all men on earth at the drop of a hat if she could?

Look, it's not an offensive video. It's offensive because a judge sent it around to a bunch of all-male colleagues, including former clerks. It's upsetting as evidence of the boy's-club, vaguely misogynist culture most professional women assume flourishes when they're not around. It's also an affirmation of women's sense that they will never develop the kinds of business relationships that men will, partly because older men incorporate demeaning views of women into the social dimensions of their business relationships -- and exclude women as a result (even if they don't consciously seek an all-male cadre).

For the record, this is also the (primary) reason it's upsetting to hear about men taking male clients out to strip clubs to bond and talk shop.

25: Very well-put.

I'd also like to see a judge send out an equally racist joke to a group of all-white colleagues and see what some of these posters have to say about it.

What Koniak may have been referring to is the slightly more seedy original Wine Opener ad, seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

Still not "offensive" but I can see where she's coming from.

29 --> ah, I see what you did there.

30, were you rickrolled?

http://www.bu.edu/law/faculty/profiles/photos/full-time/koniak.jpg

Any questions?

25 and 28: what people say about you when you're not around is that you are devoid of any sense of humor and are a general pain in the ass to be around. Truth.

27: Its only offensive because someone has said it should be offensive. You act as if there aren't emails out there about men. This video has nothing to do with whether or not women will "develop the kinds of business relationships that men will." Rather, women can choose to develop business relationships in a way that might be different then the way Judge Steele chose to. How in god's name this is an affirmation of that, I do not know.

Steele's actions violate certain judicial cannons regarding the dissemination of personal information while on the job and utilizing state resources to do so (i.e., court email account). Had the judge sent this email on his own time and from a personal email account, there would be no foul. At most he deserves a 30 day suspension without pay. "Professor" Koniak should sedate herself.

At the firm, we have IT specialists that monitor associates' internet usage. We do not confront the associate with inappropriate website browsing unless it is time to terminate said associate. Technology is a wonderful thing.

27: Its only offensive because someone has said it should be offensive. You act as if there aren't emails out there about men. This video has nothing to do with whether or not women will "develop the kinds of business relationships that men will." Rather, women can choose to develop business relationships in a way that might be different then the way Judge Steele chose to. How in god's name this is an affirmation of that, I do not know.

27: Its only offensive because someone has said it should be offensive. You act as if there aren't emails out there about men. This video has nothing to do with whether or not women will "develop the kinds of business relationships that men will." Rather, women can choose to develop business relationships in a way that might be different then the way Judge Steele chose to. How in god's name this is an affirmation of that, I do not know.

PE,

Did they use judicial cannons during the Civil War? WWII? I used to live near an armory but have never seen a judicial cannon.

Regards,
Homophone

This is ridiculous. No serious wrong has been done here. Should the judge have probably sent it from his personal email rather than his work email, yes, but that's not a big deal. Leave it up to a crazy feminist scholar to overreact to this and call for Steele's resignation--that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. The FCC wouldn't even ban this video from coming on at 2 in the afternoon. Absurd.

25/27 - so if he'd sent it to a group that included women, it would no longer be offensive?

If an sexist video is made, and there are no men around to watch it, is it still offensive?

Isn't Susan Koniak one of the chicks from 2girls1cup?

God, what a typically shrill, humorless, perpetually offended, feminist cunt. I'm embarrassed to a BUSL alum (hold the TTT jokes please).

33 --

25 here. I don't have a problem with the ad itself. I think, in isolation, it's moderately funny. I'm not hysterical about misogyny or, you know, womyn's rights. I'm not some joyless feminista who thinks that the judge should be forced off the bench. I'm just explaining why a reasonable person could be made uncomfortable by the situation, even if they don't think that trying to prohibit this kind of behavior by judges is an appropriate response.

"If an sexist video is made, and there are no men around to watch it, is it still offensive?"

If an tree falls on a feminist, does it make a sound? (The tree, not the feminist).

25/27

Get over yourself. Sucking a cork out of a bottle is funny. If the video had made some reference to a guy having great oral skills, it would be funny also.

This was not a commentary on how much better men are than women. It is a commentary about the oldest social activity of all time: trying to get someone of the opposite sex to fuck you.

God I hope we don't get to the point as a country when we completely lose our sense of humor like Prof. Koniak has.

PE, I'm going to load you into my judicial cannon and light a fuse under your ass.

wait, i thought the liberal loons in the academy wanted us to be MORE like europe. right?

44 - why only the opposite sex? I'm offended by your homo-hatred. You should immediately resign from your computer.

This is so stupid. Koniak calls for the judge to retire for sending this video but LA's Dopest lawyer poses half naked in a Girls Gone Wild mag and that's cool?!

42, the fact that you use the term "womyn" explains everything...

(Which use, by the way, doesn't make sense, because 'woman' isn't derived from 'man' it's derived from 'wiffmann', the old Germanic term for woman, which itself is a combination of 'wif' (feminine prefix) and 'mann' (meaning human)).

I don't mind the video so much, but I'll never forgive Judge Steele for his opinion in CFLP v. Cantor et. al., .a case concerning injunctive and contractual remedies between limited partners and a general partner in a closed partnership.

Guys at my high school used to simulate oral sex on wine bottles all the time. It was no big....actually it was a big deal, they got beat up a lot.

25--

Really??

You think that b/c some judge sent out some email, which he obviously thought was silly and ridiculous somehow undermines the ability of women to get ahead in the legal field?

That, I think, is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a very long time. Your ability to become partner or get a clerkship or be a super-duper academic has nothing to do with the fact that a judge sent out an email.

Give me a break. You demean women yourself by saying such ridiculous things, as if women were somehow some poor little dainty things from the 18th century that have no ability to think or fight or impress on their own merits.

You should be ashamed of yourself, and this Koniac individual is just one more testament to the fact that academics by in large are just ridiculous mongrels pining and begging for recognition in any way that they can possibly get it.

Women will overcome this email...of that I have no doubt.

Sheesh.

49 --

42. It was an f-ing joke, obviously. Get a sense of humor.

24/42: I am enjoying immensely reading your measured, logical postings and the subsequent insane ramblings which deem your postings "hysterical."

Wow, Koniak needs to take the stick out of her ass. She's the reason people call them "feminazis."

That librarian could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch, I tell you what.

he should have used personal email but regardless this is a non-issue. Koniak and 42, please get a life or go live in a cave. thank you.

Koniak does not exactly surprise us with a comely appearance. Hmmm.

And why is the blonde not sufficiently "professional looking?" The professor's comments are a brutal and uncalled for insult to pretty blonds everywhere, and this obviously shows that the professor believes that her pretty blonde students are not fit to be professionals.

@15/Lim Ricker:

Are you Asian?

47,

44 here. Suggestion noted, but I am holding out for a stealth layoff from my computer. It's a Dell.

52--

25. I'm the last person on earth to think that women aren't capable of succeeding -- if my post gave you the impression that I thought that, I apologize for being unclear. But the judge's behavior provides a relatively benign example of actions and attitudes that do disadvantage women in the workplace. It reminded me of times, when I was working at an investment bank, that my colleagues would recount their nights of debauchery at strip clubs with "our" clients. And times when, working as a summer associate at a law firm, male summers were taken to all-male dining clubs by the firm's most senior partners (yes, these things still exist). The opportunities for women to develop important social relationships in the workplace are quantitatively and qualitatively inferior to those men have, partly as a result of a dearth of females in the upper ranks. The disadvantage that puts women at isn't insurmountable -- but few disadvantages are. It may not be remediable without doing more harm than good. But neither of these facts make the problem less real or less noteworthy.

It's a silly video, but Steele displayed some stupid judgment. As Kash points out in the beginning, has he ever heard of Kozinski? Shouldn't he have known that one of his "friends" would send it to a bunch of his friends, one of whom would find nothing funnier than sending this to the Wilmington paper to embarrass Steele?

As for Koniak, she doesn't do professional women any favors. We're not all beasts.

25/27/42/52

Do you know that all-women dining clubs and professional organizations also exist?

Have you ever heard of the Women's Law Caucus at every freaking law school? How about NAWL?

There should be no bitching from a group which comprises 50% of the population.

25, 27 – Oh cry me a river. I am absolutely fed up with all of this anti-male, politically-correct bullshit. You’ll be shocked to learn that judges (both men and women) are actually human beings. As such, they tend to engage in the same types of conversations (including “girls talk” and “boys’-club talk”) that ordinary men and women from ALL professions do in their spare time. To expect judges to be any different makes you either insanely idealistic or dangerously dumb.
Should professional women assume there’s a boys’-club culture that exists when they’re not around? You’re goddamn right they should – just as men should assume that women engage in “girls” small-talk, including joking about the shortcomings of men in their absence. The better question is whether it makes any difference. The answer is absolutely no. The efforts of firms to hire women over better-qualified men have eliminated any advantage men might have once enjoyed in the industry. Interestingly, you attempted to sneak a recognition of this fact in your argument by noting that it’s the SOCIAL dimensions of men’s “business relationships” in which these demeaning views might surface, and that men might not (in reality, affirmatively don’t) “consciously seek an all-male cadre.” If that’s your argument, then what you’re really complaining about is not being able to “josh around with the boys” – not that your lack of “joshing with the boys” deprives you of any economic/career opportunities. For that, please sit and cry with Oprah.

For the record, complaints of this nature from overly paranoid/sensitive women only further solidify the boys’-club culture that, although harmless, is the subject of their intense hatred. This is particularly true where, as here, men are consciously aware that women enjoy such a competitive advantage in the legal market due to aff action.

Who cares?

62--

Umm...I'm not sure that this is any different from people who coincidentally have their interests line up to play golf, or basketball, or drinking at bars.

I mean, are you really going to say that this email somehow illustrates how staunch Mormons or Muslims are disadvantaged in the workplace because they don't drink in bars (not to mention strip clubs!), and are therefore deprived of an essential relationship-building experience?

I think it's trivial and a bit counter-productive to cry foul on every little thing. If women systematically are getting the shaft despite doing damn good work in the workplace, then that's one thing...but even then, if that's the case, you'd expect women to put together their own law firm and hire a bunch of awesome women who could then turn around and kick the guys' asses...and I'm of the opinion that there are many out there that can and will. So law firms don't have any incentive to discriminate against women, or Mormons, or Jews, or blacks, or Muslims. They want rainmakers.

If you think that women aren't succeeding for whatever reason, then get them the skills needed to make it rain.

Is this Judge 15 ? Who knew the Delaware Bar had such a frat house mentality? Very creepy for a 70 ish grandpop type to be sending this stuff around. His viagra must have been kicking in......

Why is [oral sex] in brackets at the end of the professor's quote.? Did she say "a throat job" or something else that had to redacted?

Myron Steele = Worst male pornstar name ever.

How exactly does this ad demean women? Because it suggests that women sometimes compete for men? That they sometimes perform oral sex? That they might even (gasp) enjoy it?

Give me a fucking break. There are no generalized statements or assumptions about women in this video. It's about people in a bar trying to hook up, and they threw in an oral sex reference. Wow, how offensive.

That said, this judge has to be an idiot to access let alone distribute this stuff on a work computer/email account.

Some women want a very manly attorney....

http://syracuse.craigslist.org/lgl/1141217470.html

-62

You are a joke. Should female colleagues be banned from shopping together because males don't enjoy that? Men and women are different. Except it.

Where's the sound on this video?

Good point 69 (good timing as well).

THAT'S porn? I have no idea what my priest gets so worked up over during his sermons about whores and whoremongers making their pornography, and spreading their filth. I have to tell him that in porn, they open the wine bottle the same way he does!

Only on this site could you go ~75 comments with barely any actual comment on blonde v. brunette. WHICH ONE WOULD YOU GUYS PREFER? My 2 cents is that the brunette would be smoking without those glasses.

Will this help my clerkship chances?

** Nervous T-10 2L about to get no-offered this summer **

65 and 73:
It matters more who men exclude socially because they're the ones most often at the top of the professional ladder, not women.

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nice comment. 69 and perfect timing being number 69

If I had to work with Justice Berger, I would not respect women either.

I think I have found my new hoe. The Blond looked a little "road hard." The brunette popped the wine bottle - That is some serious road head. I am in love (at least for a night or two).

Madeline Kahn: "Is it true what they say about you people? . . . Its true, its true"

25 - May I pee in your vagina?

Thank you in advance.

So what--women that look more plain* have to make more effort to get noticed, if that's what they want. And Koniak demands resignation of a judge that actually has skill in observation?

Google Image-search "Susan Koniak" & you'll see why it's just her and the wine bottle...

*Although the brunette there still looks mighty fine.

Justice Steele is awesome. He was one of the professors in a class I took this semester, and called Judge Strine a "long winded blowhard".

25-You are intense. But, the stridency of your convictions is sort of a turn on. Give me a call sometime.

xoxoxo

Myron "The Jokeman" Steele.

I like steak.

What is an e-mail? What is youtube? And what is a woman law professor?

Dude, it was funny.

I am female. Yet, the longer I work and the more I work with other females the more I think we should not be allowed in the workplace.

Ok. those of us who realize that this video is not demeaning, and actually is kind of funny, though not even laugh out loud funny, we can stay....everyone who is filing a sexual harassment suit from reading this comment? Please get pregnant and stay in the kitchen...barefoot. (Also, I have some laundry...)

Fucking loser Koniak. There are racy television commericals on the public airwaves.

90: It's been my experience that the only women who use "dude" are those who try desperately to fit in with the guys.

92, that is because 90 is clearly a guy thinking he's clever by posting as a women making barefoot in the kitchen jokes.