Supreme Speculation: And Then There Were Six
As noted in yesterday’s Morning Docket, President Obama has reportedly narrowed his search for a Supreme Court justice to a shortlist of six. From CNN:
Among the finalists are federal appeals court judges Sonia Sotomayor and Diane Wood, and Solicitor General Elena Kagan, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, said the sources, who asked not to be identified because they were not authorized to speak by the White House.Women make up all but one of the top candidates currently being given serious scrutiny, the sources said.
Also on the list, a source said, was California Supreme Court Justice Carlos Moreno. The 60-year-old Los Angeles, California, native was not among the early favorites mentioned by legal analysts and the media. White House press secretary Robert Gibbs previously hinted some of the names under consideration were under the political radar.
Who will get the nod? To be totally honest, it’s pretty impossible to say at this point. Once you get down to a short list of a half-dozen, the choice belongs to the president (as the White House seems to be emphasizing to interest groups). Anything can happen.
President Obama will meet personally with some of the finalists, and his final choice will no doubt be influenced by those meetings. A leading contender can kill his or her chances by coming across poorly in the interview (as former Judge J. Michael Luttig did when he met with President Bush, according to Jan Crawford Greenburg in Supreme Conflict).
But none of this will stop us — or anyone else — from speculating. Speculation is fun! And since we probably won’t have a nominee until after Memorial Day, for the reasons identified by Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic, we might as well pass the time with parlor games.
Additional discussion, plus a pair of polls, after the jump.
Despite the presence on the list of Jennifer Granholm, Carlos Moreno, and Janet Napolitano, this strikes us as a three-person race: Elena Kagan vs. Diane Wood vs. Sonia Sotomayor.
Justice Moreno could be regarded as the token male of the group. Notwithstanding the views of Professor Alan Dershowitz, it’s fairly clear that two X chromosomes are required of the next justice. As Linda Greenhouse put it, “In this day and age you can’t have a Supreme Court of eight guys and one 76 year-old woman.” Maybe Moreno will be nominated if the five others promise to overrule Roe v. Wade when interviewed by Obama.
As for Governor Granholm and Secretary Napolitano, it would seem like they have enough on their plates right now (e.g., the collapse of the U.S. auto industry; the swine flu that will kill us all). Everyone likes to talk about appointing politicians to the Court, but it’s sort of like quitting smoking: everyone says they want to do it, but nobody ever does (cough cough, Obama). The days of Earl Warren and Hugo Black are well behind us.
As between Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor, and Diane Wood, who has the edge? Some say Sotomayor; some say Kagan. Right now — with the caveat, of course, that the situation is extremely fluid — we’re thinking Wood. There are several reasons:
1. Familiarity: As a former full-time faculty member at the University of Chicago Law School — where Obama used to teach, and where she still teaches — Judge Wood is personally closest to Obama. She also enjoys support among Obama advisers, especially those with Chicago ties.
2. Reputation: Some prominent pundits, such as Jeffrey Rosen, have questioned the qualifications of Judge Sotomayor. Even if these attacks are unfounded, as her defenders claim, they have muddied the waters. Meanwhile, nobody questions the judicial abilities of Judge Wood — who is per se brilliant, as a member of the Elect (OT 1976 / Blackmun).
As a former legal academic, Judge Wood is widely viewed as having the ability to go toe-to-toe with Nino and other Court conservatives. Her service on the Seventh Circuit reinforces this impression. From the New York Times:
Judge Wood has established herself on the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, in the view of scholars and lawyers, as an unflinching and spirited intellectual counterweight to Judges Posner and Easterbrook. She has taken on that pair and some of the court’s other conservative judges across a wide range of cases including abortion, immigration and access to courts.
Furthermore, one empirical analysis of judicial performance places her ahead of Sotomayor. Even if one criticizes the study’s methodology — a Sotomayor supporter we talked to dismissed it as “ridiculous,” questioning how it measures productivity and independence — it certainly doesn’t hurt Wood to have numbers on her side.
3. Age: Of the three, Judge Wood is the oldest, at 58 (born July 4, 1950). Judge Sotomayor is 54 (born June 25, 1954), and General Kagan just turned 49 (born April 28, 1960).
Normally picking a justice is like picking a mistress: the younger the better. Presidents generally want their appointees to influence jurisprudence for decades to come (assuming they don’t turn out like Earl Warren or David Souter).
But this is a somewhat different situation: the few years that Judge Wood has on her two main rivals could actually help her. Judge Wood, even if older than Judge Sotomayor and General Kagan, is still young enough to sit on the Court. As she gets closer to the big 6-0, however, the window for her appointing her will start to close. So President Obama may want to place her on the Court now, before it’s too late.
Speaking of another big 6-0, Obama right now is looking at a very cooperative Senate (after the Arlen Specter defection, and assuming the seating of Al Franken). Given this political advantage, which may or may not endure, now may be the best time to seat Wood, who is perceived by many (rightly or wrongly) as more “progressive” than her main competitors.
Finally, although Justices John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg are still going strong, their age and health issues cannot be ignored. There’s a good chance that Obama will have at least one or two seats to fill later in his presidency. These seats could easily go to Sotomayor or Kagan, who are still several years away from turning 60 — especially Kagan, who isn’t even 50 yet, and whose candidacy will only grow stronger if she serves well as solicitor general (just like the justice for whom she clerked, Thurgood Marshall, who served as SG before becoming an associate justice).
Anyway, these are just our views. What do you think? Express your views in the comments, or by voting in our two polls. The first is prescriptive: of the SCOTUS finalists, who do you think SHOULD be our next justice? The second is predictive: who do you think WILL be our next justice?
High court selection process down to finalists [CNN]
Marc Ambinder’s SCOTUS Wrap, 5/13 [The Atlantic Politics Channel]
SCOTUS Leaderboard: Is it Sotomayor … by a Nose? [Underneath Their Robes]
The Logic of Picking Elena Kagan [PostPartisan / Washington Post]
Judge Sonia Sotomayor: What the Data Show [Volokh Conspiracy via National Law Journal]
Obama rebuffs advice on top court [CNN]
Video: Gender and the Supreme Court [CNN]
Earlier: ATL Poll: Who Should Replace SCOTUS Justice David Souter?




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senator bill first
Does anyone believe Lat is being totally honest?
2- Honest about what?
"But this is a somewhat different case. Judge Wood, even if older than Judge Sotomayor and General Kagan, is still young enough to sit on the Court. As she gets closer to the big 6-0, however, the window for her appointing her will start to close. President Obama may want to place her on the Court now, so she can start making her influence felt ASAP."
This makes absolutely ZERO sense. To any person with a brain, the difference between 59 and 60 is exactly the same as the difference between 58 and 59. The difference between 48 and 59, OTOH, is the same as the difference between 59 and 70. So the difference between nominating Kagan and Wood on the bench is significantly greater in terms of expected years on the bench as, say, the difference between Wood and Larry Tribe.
Personally, I don't think Obama is going to care much about whether a candidate has crossed some arbitrary decade line, but then again, I generally presume that Obama is not a complete freaking idiot.
4 - I think you're misreading Lat. All he's saying is that Wood is closer to 60 than Sotomayor or Kagan.
So put Wood up now, so she can start serving her 15-20 years on SCOTUS. Kagan and Sotomayor have more of a shelf life - they can be appointed later (even in Obama's second term).
Disputes are best settled in personal combat with kris knives, the winner taking the loser’s water—not by arguing in front of old people chosen for their magic combination of ethnicity/gender/politics.
Thurgood Marsal wasn't SG. You're thinking of Taft.
Who cares?
7 - Of course he was. Second Circuit, then SG, then SCOTUS.
It only works if you are a Sayyadina who can drink the water of life and become a Reverend Mother.
That's exactly how I see this playing out. Wood will be elevated first. And the two additional appointments will occur in the summers of 2010 and 2011, most likely.
Also, Scalia might want to hit the treadmill considering that's he's getting up there in age. As is Thomas and Kennedy.
Sotomayor, without a doubt.
5 - that interpretation still requires some bizarre beilef that 60 is a point of no return, whereas 59 is a perfectly acceptable number. If 60 is no good, 59 is, at best, marginally acceptable. Why would being a marginally acceptable age possibly be an *asset* for Wood, relative to Kagan, whose age is an extraordinary asset for someone with the qualifications for SCOTUS?
It only works if you are a Sayyadina who can drink the water of life and become a Reverend Mother.
I DUNNO. I count about THREE men on that list.
4 / 13 - I think that Lat, who first made his name as a blogger covering federal judges at Underneath Their Robes, is aware that there is no constitutional bar to appointment of a justice over age 60.
9, then why isn't there any reference to Marshall serving as SG in his biography?
http://www.thurgoodmarshall.com/home.htm
A solid analysis. But I think Lat underestimates the value to Sotomayor of being Hispanic.
I pick the darkest one.
13=ageist. Heard of the ADEA?
17--do you not know that wikipedia is the infallible source on such matters>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurgood_Marshall#Law_career
7 / 17 - See these links:
http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/aboutosg/sglist.html
http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/aboutosg/t_marshall_bio.htm
Doesn't the swine flu alter the landscape here? No one wants justices to have to wear masks while on the bench.
Si se puede: SONIA SOTOMAYOR.
21, did you edit that Wikepedia entry before posting a link to it? 22, those links obviously refer to a different Marshall. I'm sticking with Marshall's official biography on this one. But thanks.
"Normally picking a justice is like picking a mistress: the younger the better." Does Lat have a mistress? And how far below the age of consent is she?
Like everything else that Blahmah does, this, too, is a disaster. Janet Napolitano? Seriously? Since when have SCOTUS seats become de facto placemarkers (like putting a female minority to bring levels back to 2)? Pick the most qualified candidate, moron, not the candidate that gives the appearance of diversity.
Moreover, Kagan does not deserve a SCOTUS position. Any affirmative action case would require her recusal because they all rely upon, to some degree, the Harvard Plan. Though she was affiliated with the law school, the administrative goals are nevertheless similar, and she'd be a disaster in effectuating an end to affirmative action (which GINSBERG herself forecasted within the next 14 years).
7 - Get out of my head. I am ALWAYS thinking of Taft.
3 - about who will get the nod.
27=racist.
30 = in denial.
21 - Give me ten minutes and I can make sure that the bio on wikipedia says that Marshall was SG.
"Moreover, Kagan does not deserve a SCOTUS position. Any affirmative action case would require her recusal because they all rely upon, to some degree, the Harvard Plan. Though she was affiliated with the law school, the administrative goals are nevertheless similar, and she'd be a disaster in effectuating an end to affirmative action (which GINSBERG herself forecasted within the next 14 years)."
Do some review of recusal law and get back to us. No justice in the country would recuse themselves under those circumstnances unless she wrote the specific plan in dispute.
And your feelings about affirmative action are probably not reflective of what the President is looking for in a SCOTUS justice, so you shouldn't be surprised when you don't get what you're looking for on that specific issue. I doubt any of these 6 names would take a significantly different stand on AA.
17/25 - Your link doesn't lead to the "Official Biography", it leads to a site marketing A biography, whose publisher chose to buy the rights to "thurgoodmarshall.com".
32, it already says that. If you know how, please delete the reference to Marshall serving as SG, because it isn't in his offical biography.
http://www.thurgoodmarshall.com/home.htm
It is not new but still sad that Lat turned this site to a silly fansite of Elena Kagan. Quite pathetic actually.
30=apologist for racist.
35, thurgoodmarshall.com looks pretty official to me, especially compared with that Wikipedia article you (?) keep citing.
i love moreno. the sweetest man. go carlos!
I realize you're a troll, but I can't help myself....
It isn't just the Wikipedia article. Look at the links cited by 22. The official Department of Justice homepage for the Office of Solicitor General shows that Marshall served as SG before going to the Court.
Lat, Wood sucks. She's a domineering jerk in court and, honestly, doesn't hold a candle intellectually to Posner. Try arguing in front of her or listening to one of her arguments-- it's like she's in a contest with Easterbrook to see who can be the most self-indulgent, rude questioner on the 7th.
I like the Wood idea for another reason -- she will be able to stand up to Scalia and Roberts.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/12/us/politics/12wood.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=wood%20posner%20scalia&st=cse
38 - I'm actually not the one who is citing wikipedia, I'm just disturbed by what an idiot you are.
The text you seem to think is a comprehensive biography is a solicitation for a biography written by Juan Williams. That explains the Order the Book Online Now! ads all over it - usually not a good sign that something is a reliable research source.
41 - If true, Wood sounds a lot like Sotomayor, described as "not that smart and kind of a bully on the bench."
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=45d56e6f-f497-4b19-9c63-04e10199a085
But are we just being sexist? Why are aggressive male judges "brilliant," and aggressive female judges "rude" or "bullying"?
"Scalia v. Sotomayor: The Use of Gender-Coded Language to Evaluate a Judge's Temperament"
http://dissentingjustice.blogspot.com/2009/05/scalia-v-sotomayor-use-of-gender-coded.html
43, are you claiming that there's some biogrophy more "official" than the one offered on Marshall's official cite? If so, I'd love to know what it is.
There is a lot of smoke around Jenny. How she was selected for county counsel, and even worse what her husband did for income while she was county counsel.
I won't say more here, but there are some tough political back room rumors in Michigan that would come out in confirmation hearings, even if just as whispers.
It's not a matter of "standing" up to the conservative justices, it's a matter of swaying Anthony Kennedy. Wood and Eastercreek/Posner largely disagree with each other's controversial opinions. Check their voting on en banc.
Pick a woman who's brilliant and charismatic--- Kagan or Granholm or Kathleen Sullivan or Leah Ward Sears.
Could 38 rely upon the fact that Juan Williams' publisher purchased the Marshall name for his website -- just thinking out loud, here.
40 (and 22): If you click on those links, and then click on the link to Marshall, you'll see that they actually refer to someone named "Thoroughgood." No joke.
49 - It's a little known fact that his full name was Thoroughgood.
Also, even after becoming a justice, he still insisted people call him General, and he wore a Napoleonic-era horse calvary uniform under his robes, sword and all.
Thurgood Marshall: brilliant legal mind, ground-breaking civil rights figure, batshit crazy.
I'd be saying the same thing about Eastercreek(brook) if he were on the short list. He and Wood are both bullying jerks. Arguing in front of them is unpleasant. They've spent about 20 minutes of their careers outside chambers or a faculty lounge and it shows-- they don't know squat about trials or the actual practice of law, and they treat lawyers, even ones who know what they're doing, like crap. In contrast, there are judges on the 7th who are female and are active questioners, but aren't openly rude, dismissive, and pissy--- like Rovner and Sykes. Unfortunately, Rovner's too old and Sykes is too conservative.
- 41
Beautiful 14
Obama also knows Kagan from as far back as '91, as she taught at Chicago from 1991 through 1995.
Hey 42, thanks for reposting the exact same article Lat already quoted from!
"I generally presume that Obama is not a complete freaking idiot."
So did a lot of people. It's really been working out great so far.
Sincerely,
$1.84 Trillion Deficit
27: "she'd be a disaster in effectuating an end to affirmative action (which GINSBERG herself forecasted within the next 14 years)."
That was O'Connor, dummy, not Ginsburg. (And certainly not "Ginsberg.")
It's easy to see someone didn't go to the wikipedia page and plant the SG info today. Just look at the history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thurgood_Marshall&action=history
The only changes made today were by a troll who decided to write that Thurgood Marshall was a hooker and lived on a cheese planet (the changes were quickly undone). Although that is pathetically immature, I have to admit, it made me laugh pretty hard.
55, are you daft? You do realize that TARP was signed before Obama took office, don't you?
33 - It was O'Connor in Grutter v. Bollinger, not Ginsburg. Dumbass.
Never argued in front of her, but for what it's worth, I had a class with Judge Wood at Chicago. She was absolutely pleasant in addition to being a great teacher. Treated all of her class with respect and was overall a real class act. Having seen Easterbrook in action -- and on anecdotal evidence from my classmates -- the same would never be said him. The two aren't even remotely comparable in temperament.
Oh Lord. Did NOT mean to overuse the word "class" in that comment...
26: You have to mean "he" not "she." Lat is gay. He wouldn't have a female mistress. And he's conservative. That's about as rare as they get. One part of his body wants to discriminate against the other.
62 - LOL at "one part of his body wants to discriminate against the other."
He may not have a mistress, but Lat does take a "the younger the better" view when it comes to the guys he dates.
Easterbrook is in a, ah, class by himself. It's not necessary to be such a prick, no matter what you are doing.
Hillary Clinton will be the appointee - You heard it here FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would she become the first SCOTUS justice to have failed the bar?
http://hillaryclinton.us/2007/08/10/hillary-clinton-failed-the-dc-bar-exam/
I had both Wood and Kagan as professors while I was a 1L at U of C (Wood for many classes, Kagan for Civ Pro). (To get the obvious question out of the way -- I didn't take any of Obama's seminars and chatted with him only at Wine Mess -- U of C's idea of a Friday happy hour, which I do not miss.) Both Wood and Kagan struck me as very smart, scholarly but practical, and very approachable. That said, I always had the sense that Wood was more likely to be a brilliant judge, and was not the least bit surprised when she was picked for the 7th Circuit. Kagan struck me as a fantastic advocate (which is why I think all of the handwringing about being SG without ever having argued in the Supreme Court to be nonsense), but nevertheless an advocate and someone who spent a lot of time cultivating political connections -- particularly through Paul Simon and Abner Mikva, for whom she clerked. I think Wood is where she is due to intellect, Kagan due to political savvy. A few years ago, I recall having lunch with U of C's Richard Epstein while visiting my alma mater to conduct recruting interviews for my firm at the U of C, and the subject of Elena's appointment at Harvard came up. Epstein -- who despite his Wall Street Journal Editorial Page view of the world, is fiercely protective of anyone who has ever been associated with U of C -- noted that Kagan had been a bit of a bust as a scholar (notwithstanding that vastly overrated article "Presidential Administration") but would make a fantastic administrator (as HLS's dean) given her people and political skills. For once, I find myself in agreement with Epstein's assessment. I haven't seen Kagan in years, but I have seen Wood more recently (though not as a litigant in her courtroom) and continue to be impressed by her. Obama couldn't go wrong with either, but my hopes (and money) are on Wood.
Dude just wants to put a chick on the court.... it's as pathetic as that loser in office... who the hell is this guy???? thank God we have Alito and Roberts.
64, I agree completely. Anyone who hasn't had the "pleasure" of taking a class with Easterbrook should just listen to arguments from the seventh. Not only does he ask questions in a rude manner but he will laugh (quietly, but you can still hear it on the recording) when he hears something that he doesn't agree with from the advocate.
67 - Great comment; thanks.
It is comments like yours that make me willing to put up with all the "first"s, vulgarity, etc. A lot of the comments are junk, but every now and then, you come across one with insight.
complements to OP, esp. the bit about nominating politicians
OMG. All three are younger than I am. This is just wrong.
If Wood gets the nod will GW go up in the rankings? The Van Vleck Constitutional Law Moot Court Competition bench included Justice Scalia and Ms. Wood. V.V. is a GW internal competition that had been judged recently by Roberts (2006), Alito (2008), and Scalia (2009).