Will people never tire of this stupid "first" phenomenon? Okay, we get it, you don't do anything but refresh ATL for a new story. You win. Now go outside - it's a nice day out in DC

It's been a while since Eliza has posted. Please tell me the call of the masses has been answered and that she has been fired.

Kash, what are you wearing today? I myself am decked out in a nice pair of lightweight chinos and a Lacoste shirt.

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Ugh. Does this asshole not know what happened to Lefkow? Calling for the assignation of a judge isn't a fucking joke. Especially in Chicago.

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he must be on vacation until Monday at which point he will wake up at 10am

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8 - Do you get randomly punched in the face a lot?

8- Why do you hate freedom?

Thanks for puttin "partial birth" in quotes for us like that. For a minute I thought you might have lost your Orwellian touch. Glad to see yu are still manipulating our language as always.

Thanks for puttin "partial birth" in quotes for us like that. For a minute I thought you might have lost your Orwellian touch. Glad to see you are still manipulating our language as always.

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Usually, preliminary procedures are performed over a period of two to three days, to gradually dilate the cervix using laminaria tents (sticks of seaweed which absorb fluid and swell). Sometimes drugs such as pitocin, a synthetic form of oxytocin, are used to induce labor. Once the cervix is sufficiently dilated, the doctor uses an ultrasound and forceps to grasp the fetus' leg. The fetus is turned to a breech position, if necessary, and the doctor pulls one or both legs out of the birth canal, causing what is referred to by some people as the 'partial birth' of the fetus. The doctor subsequently extracts the rest of the fetus, usually without the aid of forceps, leaving only the head still inside the birth canal. An incision is made at the base of the skull, a blunt dissector (such as a Kelly clamp) is inserted into the incision and opened to widen the opening, and then a suction catheter is inserted into the opening. The brain is suctioned out, which causes the skull to collapse and allows the fetus to pass more easily through the birth canal. The placenta is removed and the uterine wall is vacuum aspirated using a cannula.

How about a story about Morgan Lewis layoffs on the heels of all these partner hires.

check out Hal Turner's encyclopedia dramatica website.

yeah, "partial birth" gives it a negative spin. maybe we should call it "agonizing death" abortion.

Yeah, or "partial death" abortion.

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"yeah, "partial birth" gives it a negative spin. maybe we should call it "agonizing death" abortion. "

Usually the fetus is already dead, or near. These procedures are gruesome, but they also almost never happen, and when they do, there's a medical reason. No one, in the history of ever, has decided, "I changed my mind about this 8-month pregnancy and I need someone to vacuum the brain, stat." That's not what the procedure is for, and abortion at that stage for non-health reasons was already illegal. T

There is no legitimate reason for some people to create a public issue of a really awful, but very rarely necessary, private medical procedure, which is only required in extreme, outlier cases.

Oh, really, no one changes their mind about an 8 month pregnancy? Yeah, except when the child is disabled, which is when this procedure is most frequently used. And, the baby is "already dead or near dead" because the doctor has punctured its skull and sucked out the brain. Good try, though. Vaguely asserting that "it is almost never done" and is done for a "medical reason" does nothing towards justifying this procedure. And, if that is what you believe, shouldnt the law be written to only allow this "gruesome" procedure to be used in such circusmtances? As opposed to say, because, a baby has been diagnosed as having down syndrome?

Kash = gash.

"And, if that is what you believe, shouldnt the law be written to only allow this "gruesome" procedure to be used in such circusmtances?"

It was.

And they're not performing this on Down's babies. They're performing it on fetuses who are already dead, won't survive birth, or won't live long after.

It is gruesome, but the procedure only exists at all because, in some very rare circumstances, it's the safer and more humane option.

So where exactly is the harm in taking the pregnancy full-term when the baby "probably won't survive" - that leaves the door open for survival, right? But I guess its just better to "put down" the baby to avoid suffering, just like doctor assited suicide (because that, of course, is legal too). Give the kid a chance to make it.

Plus, the whole "medical procedure" terminology is ridiculous. Murder is not a "medical procedure."

If you take Lortab, you know that a side effect is constipation. If you're in pain, you'll take your chances, right? Same deal, sex comes with the possibility of concieving a child. If you want it bad enough, take your chances. Don't kill the baby because you don't think about the consequences.

Either way, good decision. We're moving in the right direction.

"Give the kid a chance to make it."

You don't understand the situations that necessitate this. And comparing mothers who have had to do this to someone trying to cure constipation isn't exactly compassionate.

This issue has become so politicized that there is no way to get a straight, non-political answer, even from an expert. It's the same with how deficit spending affects economic activity, or the evolution-creationism debate. There's just no way to know.

The difference is that I have no compassion for people who "had to do this" because they don't understand the simple concept of where babies come from. They are not forced into anything when they made a conscious decision that put them in such a position.

Its actually pretty simple

"They are not forced into anything when they made a conscious decision that put them in such a position. "

Post-viability abortion for non-health related reasons is already illegal. If this matters to you, you should know the law.

No one is out there doing 8-month abortions because they didn't know they could get pregnant and they don't want to take responsibility. I don't know why you think that's happening, but it's just not. It's hard enough to get a pre-viability abortion.

"They are not forced into anything when they made a conscious decision that put them in such a position. "

Post-viability abortion for non-health related reasons is already illegal. If this matters to you, you should know the law.

No one is out there doing 8-month abortions because they didn't know they could get pregnant and they don't want to take responsibility. I don't know why you think that's happening, but it's just not. It's hard enough to get a pre-viability abortion.

Well, I'm obviously letting my disgust for all abortions bleed through. Not very helpful.

But I hold firm to the original statement. Give the kid a chance to make it. If you have a stillborn baby, then so be it.

Call me uncompassionate, but you can't kill one person to avoid "risking the health" of another. If you live by that theory, let's just kill everyone who has swine flu.

Well, I'm obviously letting my disgust for all abortions bleed through. Not very helpful.

But I hold firm to the original statement. Give the kid a chance to make it. If you have a stillborn baby, then so be it.

Call me uncompassionate, but you can't kill one person to avoid "risking the health" of another. If you live by that theory, let's just kill everyone who has swine flu.

"If you have a stillborn baby, then so be it."

Nice.

You're entitled to disapprove of abortion. Your arguments, however, are not holding up. You disagree with abortion, for any reason. Just say that. Don't pretend there are a bunch of women out there having an elective procedure to avoid momentary discomfort - especially when, as you should know, an elective procedure is already illegal.