First

im pretty sure you can be illiterate and get into that law "school"...same goes for suffolk

This school is not even accredited and you don't need to take the LSAT to get in.

This guy that worked in Litigation Support at my firm used to brag that he graduated from this "law school" and he was so annoying. He used to try and give his "legal opinion" about every case he was assigned to. Eventually they fired his ass because he was such an idiot.

5th to say this is a terrible idea.

Fistfth!

Your fury seems to be based on the notion that the sole purpose of college is to train for a career. I feel sorry for people who throw away their college careers like that. Although it supports my contention that law programs (and MBA and medical programs) are not academic -- they're trade and vocational schools. Like car repair, or forensics.

Maybe I'm confused -- isn't this one LESS year to get your law degree? Plus, do those first two years at a community college with 18 credits, and you can shave off another 6 months!

Elie, you're an idiot. Check out this progression:
2 years at JUCO. Then transfer into ACHLS and get your BA and JD in 4 years. 6 years instead of 7 for a JD. Now if one can figure out how to transfer to Columbia after your first year, they will be golden.

LSATs and accreditation be damned.

I have more respect for a paralegal who obtained a certificate from the Sally Struthers School of Continuing Education than this sham of a program. But really, aside from paper credentials is there any difference between the fool willing to gamble his/her life in an education from this "institution" and the dolt who will be insolvent and miserable for most of their life due to the pursuit of a law degree?

Massachusetts School of Law > Northeastern School of Law. All day.

3, thank you for the dig on Suffolk law.

-Ignorant Nesl student.

Normally I am not against you Elie, but you really messed up with this one. This school is offering one less year to get a law school degree, not one more.... Futhermore, going into the law school is optional.

Wow, your reading comprehension is way off today

Normally I am not against you Elie, but you really messed up with this one. This school is offering one less year to get a law school degree, not one more.... Furthermore, going into the law school is optional.

Wow, your reading comprehension is way off today

"There's one truth in American legal history. The white man is a threat to us all and must be eradicated."

-- SotomayOR!

Bukake party tonight in Mystal's mouth. Tell your friends.

Oh God. Elie, you whiny bitch, just SHUT UP. Why should lawyers be cushioned from competition for law jobs? Are we really that frail and pathetic?

#3 you're a no talent ass-clown who went to new england. they should revoke your school's accredation immediately. you idiots have no idea what you are doing.

I went to Suffolk, work in BigLaw and make tons of money winning cases.

As for this article, this college will do NOTHING for society since NO ONE WHO ATTENDS UMASSLAW (JOKE IN THE FIRST PLACE) WILL EVER BE A JUDGE, POLITICIAN OR A REAL LAWYER. The ABA should place an embargo on these idiots a la Cuba. Further, other mass lawyers should rise up and put a stop to this joke.

The economy is picking up...this has been reported by every major news organization for hours each day. The media has been reporting on a possible "recovery" for some time now. The questions are: 1) is it really a recovery; and 2) if so, how bumpy will the recovery be?

Of course, ATL does not report anything about the recovery. All we get is bad news and "the world is falling" and "the end of biglaw" hype. MORE EVIDENCE THAT ATL IS LINING ITS POCKETS WITH FEAR AND PANIC. Do not be fooled.

The economy is picking up, people. By January, there will be enough work to go around...and even if there isn't in January, firms will keep bodies around for when it does.

2 more things:

1) law firms are lagging indicators - if things have picked up in the last 2 months or so, law firms will feel the benefit a little later than other businesses.

2) there are A LOT of deals and LAWSUITS that aren't happening right now because of the economy...but they WILL happen once the economy is stable (provided the SOL hasn't run).

Fuck ATL, MysTTTal, and even Lat. This site is not our friend. Lat may think he's sticking it to the man (biglaw firms) but he's sticking it to us right now. Talk about entitlement....he's a Yalie who didnt like his lifestyle at Wachtell. You're pathetic, Lat, and this site is the enemy.

#10 - I went to Washington and Lee and am now at Locke Lord. So what?

Great place for low IQ gunners.

Shaving time off your education is the new trend in legal education. This trend didn’t start with a TTT either (see Northwestern’s new two-year JD program). I anticipate many TTTs will try similar schemes though.

#3 you're a no talent ass-clown who went to new england. they should revoke your school's accredation immediately. you idiots have no idea what you are doing.

I went to Suffolk, work in BigLaw and make tons of money winning cases.

As for this article, this college will do NOTHING for society since NO ONE WHO ATTENDS UMASSLAW (JOKE IN THE FIRST PLACE) WILL EVER BE A JUDGE, POLITICIAN OR A REAL LAWYER. The ABA should place an embargo on these idiots a la Cuba. Further, other mass lawyers should rise up and put a stop to this joke.

How much does it cost for 1 night of passion with Mystal?

How does MSL, based in Mass, open a school in NH? This is just craptacular.

This would never happen in Texas.

17/22 - if you can't understand that Massachusetts School of Law is NOT UMASS LAW (there is no such thing), then I seriously doubt you were in the top 10% of your class at Suffolk, which is the baseline for the school allowing you to even interview with local Biglaw firms. Fail.

21 - Yeah, Northwestern does have a two year program, but the tuition is exactly the same as for the traditional three year program. I still can't figure that one out.

MSL is a crappy, private school that does not deserve to exist. The Dean talks about how he wants to charge Bush with war crimes. This is just what we need, more super liberal/terrible law schools.

Louis Zaccareli feels sorry for all of you.

17 & 22: Amazing that someone who went to Suffolk is calling for the accredation of other schools to be revoked. Shut up.

Congrats on making it to big law. I too, went to a TTT school and work in BigLaw. But, I am under no illusions that just because my law school sends three people to BigLaw every year that somehow it is now an amazing producer of top legal talent.

I stepped in a pile of SMU once.

Suffolk is a 38K joke. No one makes money coming out of that hole. It is the Suffolk lobby that has kept Mass from having a cheap state law school in the first place. If you are going to go to a TTT, then make it a CHEAP TTT. Everone is pining for the slip & trip 45K no bennies jobs anyway.

Who cares? My balls are still in your mother's throat.

Law school *is* a bachelor's degree anyway (and barely so).

17/22 - you went to suffolk...i'm sorry to hear that..

I mean I'm just a lowely Harvard grad with a JD/MBA from Michigan....

NOW WHERE'S MY BOY VINNIE CHASE!?!?!?!

Ari Gold

saves a year of tuition (i.e. loans) 'nuff said. . . .now find me something interesting or something I can be mean about

I will pork their arse!!!!

Since when is the ABA an equal employee opportunity institution? This school is a disaster. I'd rather waste my live savings on lottery tickets than enroll in your fly-by-night law school. Losers.

I just tell people I went to law school and they just give me money and sex.

law school grad

"HOW DOES THIS HELP ANYBODY GET A JOB??????"

Unqualified faculty and second-rate administrators will earn some nice $$$ (well, $$, at least), by churning the brain-mush of idiots in exchange for useless diplomae.

A

After the softball tourney last year, I was so drunk that I shit myself and left my boxers on the steps to the UVA colonnade.

Northeastern grad

Suffolk is the Standford of the east.

I’d rather be ruled by the first 100 Suffolk grads then by the Harvard Law Faculty.

lol @ 35

18 - I would appreciate more examples or evidence to support your optimism. Becuase the massive layoffs that have occurred and continue to occur seems to indicate otherwise.

32, Northeastern School of Law is also very active in lobbying against UMass starting a public interest law school. My guess is because that would make the public-interest -oriented Northeastern look like the worst deal in the world at $65k a year. Which it is.

Not that Northeastern actually HAS any public interest jobs in Massachusetts on its job board. It does have a guy looking for part time work for $15/hour, though. That will pay one's $195k education off pretty quickly...

Hey PE -

You're a douche!

They are not offering one less year of law school. They are letting you start law school one year earlier. Instead of being a senior in college, you'll be a 1L. But you only have the opportunity if you sacrifice your junior year of college to this new program. Law school = 3 years. College = 3 years (with one year ruined by this program).

Now, tell me, what was better for you? Being a senior in college, or being a 1L?

The point shouldn't be starting the useless three years of law school sooner, the point should be not having to go to three years of law school in the first place.
--Elie

The sense of entitlement of some people is amusing to me. Yes, there are a lot of lawyers, and yes some people go to a private 3rd or 4th tier law school. Where a person went to school doesn't reflect on their ability to become a successful attorney. Work ethic and legal skill determine that. Closing down a bunch of schools because there are too many lawyers will help no one. Competition is good. If your 1st tier education is so superior, what do you care how many people graduate with their 3rd or 4th tier diploma... they won't be any competition to you.

@41 - Thats disgusting.

The sense of entitlement of some people is amusing to me. Yes, there are a lot of lawyers, and yes some people go to a private 3rd or 4th tier law school. Where a person went to school doesn't reflect on their ability to become a successful attorney. Work ethic and legal skill determine that. Closing down a bunch of schools because there are too many lawyers will help no one. Competition is good. If your 1st tier education is so superior, what do you care how many people graduate with their 3rd or 4th tier diploma... they won't be any competition to you.

The sense of entitlement of some people is amusing to me. Yes, there are a lot of lawyers, and yes some people go to a private 3rd or 4th tier law school. Where a person went to school doesn't reflect on their ability to become a successful attorney. Work ethic and legal skill determine that. Closing down a bunch of schools because there are too many lawyers will help no one. Competition is good. If your 1st tier education is so superior, what do you care how many people graduate with their 3rd or 4th tier diploma... they won't be any competition to you.

zomglol suffolx.

Elie, shut up. You suck.

Northeastern is the Northwestern of the East.

18 - I would appreciate more examples or evidence to support your optimism. Becuase the massive layoffs that have occurred and continue to occur seems to indicate otherwise.

"Where a person went to school doesn't reflect on their ability to become a successful attorney."

- EMPIRICALLY FALSE

#18 "The economy is picking up, people. By January, there will be enough work to go around...and even if there isn't in January, firms will keep bodies around for when it does."

That is so true! I was at a meeting last night, with the unicorns and the mole people, and they said the same thing!

I pounded a Yeshiva chic in the ass once at a party in the Plaza Hotel in Boston. Does that count?

I don't understand how a crappy nobody law school in massachusetts can open a college in new hampshire? does anyone else think thats F'ed up?

By the way, Masslaw is unaccredited and ALWAYS WILL BE. its sad we have to deal with them in Massachusetts. at least they can't take the bar anywhere else. You guys have it lucky.

Also, I recently graduated Suffolk Law and have worked in Boston for 4 years. I have YET to encounter a practicing lawyer from this law school. Doesn't that also strike anyone as odd?

I just saw a commerical for this school and a 2 hour promo-how to become a lawyer in 2 years sponsored by The Massachusetts School of Law at Andover.

This just in: Latham is a GREAT place to work!!!

http://abovethelaw.com/2008/04/featured_job_survey_and_your_f.php

hahahahahahaha

NAILING SHEEP

Probably more prestigious than Dave Gordon's syracuse law degree

Why is this not a story? http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=reilly_rick&id=4247723

58 = hilarious

Eli: What part of "After completing their junior year, students who meet certain criteria will have the option of starting law school at MSL. These students will receive their bachelor's degrees after the first year of law school." do you not get?

Apparently all of it.

55, Northeastern is the Cooley of the East. You'll learn after you graduate.

Unemployed '07 grad. One of many.

56/58 = Lat or Elie

not 18

for those moron lawyers or students who believe they are entitled to a job when they graduate - THINK AGAIN (oh, yeah, I went there all caps).

The American economy is undergoing a severe transformation from an 70% service industry (like lawyers, drs, and all the other dreamy jobs we make up) to one of 70% manufacturing (like China) because quite frankly American education does not create more than unthinking, monkeys.

55, NESL fights war crimes. Does NE even have an international law presence? I mean geeeez, brah.

So just to get this all straight, Northeastern is the Northeastern of East MA?

70:

citation, please.

Its ok, UVA is used to random people leaving their shit filled undergarments on school grounds.

I was raped by SMU day laborers.

18: Take a chill, get a clue. This site is not your "friend" and doesn't want to be. It is a LEGAL TABLOID. (See the top of this page if you don't believe me.) Nothing more, nothing less.

It is not the fault of ATL that you suck at what you do, or that your ass is about to be canned. (Wait, was that last month?)

And no, the economy isn't getting all better yet. Keep dreaming.

70 = ignorant troll bait.

The tactic - make the most inflammatory and utterly unsupported allegation you can think of in an attempt to get rational people upset enough to waste their time arguing with your troll ass.

The appropriate response - silence/chirping crickets

35, all that education and you still can't spell. At the very least, you should be smart enough to use a web browser with spellcheck. Try Firefox.

@77 - Don't be so hard on your mother.

Who is Louis Ziccareli, and why do we care?

70/79 = Bored DLA Piper paralegal.

76 = ATL apologist aka Elie or Lat

I've lived in Massachusetts my entire life and have never heard of this school.

#60
They can take the bar in several states, if they've already passed Mass.

As far as "success" goes, if success = $$$$ in the first five years of private practice, then yes, where you go to law school correlates with success.

But after 5 years, nobody gives a crap where you went to law school. Either you can do the job, or you can't.

After almost 20 years in private practice, I've seen both Ivy Leaguers and not who couldn't get a piece of evidence admitted in Judge Wapner's court; and I've seen so-called bottom-tier graduates wipe the floor with Ivy Leaguers and vice versa.

Your law school gives you opportunities. Beyond that, you're on your own.

"[B]ecause quite frankly American education does not create more than unthinking, monkeys."

Well, your shitty punctuation use certainly supports your point.

See you on the docks?

Is GULC the Yale of the Mid Atlantic?

Please, please do not think that "Massachusetts School of Law" is affiliated with the University of Massachuetts ("UMass"). It is not. That is very insulting.

UMass, although a mere state school, at LEAST provided me with an inexpensive undergraduate education that allowed me to jaunt off to an overpriced T10 private law school.... where I promptly took out 20 years worth of student loans, but I digress.

Also, it is total bulls^%t that there isn't an affordable in-state law school in Massachusetts. Suffolk, Northeastern and yes, even crappy New England School of Law actively lobby against it. They know that their crappy overpriced programs would be destroyed by an instate school...

I went to Washington and Lee.

Wait, so you spend two years at a community college, then you spend two years at an upper-level community college, and then you go to a shitty law school? How is any of this worthwhile?

Is it bad that in college once I jerked off into my hand and then slapped a random person in the face?

90- Only if it was offensive unwanted contact

When I was a kid I got no respect. The time I was kidnapped, and the kidnappers sent my parents a note they said, "We want five thousand dollars or you'll see your kid again."

With my wife I don't get no respect. I made a toast on her birthday to "the best woman a man ever had." The waiter joined me.

I tell you, with my doctor, I don't get no respect. I told him, "I've swallowed a bottle of sleeping pills." He told me to have a few drinks and get some rest.

-Massachusetts School of Law

Damn elitists. What's wrong with more people learning the law? Just because in the end the value of your degree might drop a miniscule amount, doesn't mean you get all ass angry about more people getting an education.

Shut up.

Am I the only one not surprised to learn that Ellie takes blood pressure medication?

93 -

Speaking for myself, I am not angry about increased competition but about an unscrupulous school taking advantage of idiots by charging them for worthless degrees.

Every Tuesday I roofy Mystal doughnut and then pound his moobs until I am sleepy.

95--
The degrees are only worthless in the eyes of Ivy League - BigLaw circle-jerksters trying to justify crushing debt and the rarified air where their farts don't smell.

(I am not a Mass School of Law graduate. But I know some. Not really better or worse than anyone else.)

Suffolk is the Touro of Boston.

Hofstra is the Cardozo of Long Island.

97 - You don't need to be an elitist snob to question the value of a degree granted by an unaccredited law school. A smart law student who chooses Mass Law over *any* accredited law school does himself a massive disservice.

you're all stupid and don't understand economics.

8==D

100-
FWIW- Acc. to wikipedia
Unaccredited only by the ABA. Accredited by Mass Bd. of Regents and NE Assoc of Schools and colleges

--97.

"Unaccredited only by the ABA"

selfp0wn complete.

102, I recently bought some pills at a pharmacy. They were unapproved, but only by the FDA.

Northeastern is the Bunker Hill Community College of law schools.

Reasons Northeastern is the best law school in Boston:

1) it is the most expensive (Harvard is in Cambridge, remember)
2) it has the fewest class offerings
3) it has almost no financial aid (which, of course, means only elite people go there)
4) it has a lightly renovated building from the 1960's that they have the gall to call "new"
5) it has a career services office that specializes in drinking coffee and talking to each other all day instead of, you know, helping people find jobs
6) it consistently transforms a surprisingly high number of kids from Brown and Bowdoin who got 170's on the LSAT into unemployable wrecks
7) it has a mandatory co-op system where you can go be the ass-bitch for some family court judge or insurance defense firm
8) it games the system by saying it is a "public interest law school" while maintaining a $65k/year student budget and claiming the median starting salary is just under $90k and providing almost no loan repayment assistance for the folks who do go into public interest.
9) it is run by a bunch of 1960's Eugene McCarthy-era liberals who turn their courses into harangues about how pharmaceutical companies have a duty to give all drugs for free to everyone, or how every company should be forced to have union labor.
10) it has no grades, no class rank, and no law review, so you just know it is academically rigorous.

really, very little in fin aid?

really, very little in fin aid?

106: "pharmaceutical companies have a duty to give all drugs for free to everyone, or how every company should be forced to have union labor."

Pharmaceutical companies DO have a duty to give all drugs for free to everyone who needs them and can't pay, since all the drugs (ALL the drugs) were developed with public money and public research. Oh, and the people who need them will die.

And every company SHOULD be forced to allow their workers union representation, if for no other reason that the right to free speech and assembly. Oh, and because you like 40 hour weeks, worker's comp, health benefits and no child labor.

Seriously, are "conservatives" serious? Could you imagine if these people had to live in the world they claim they want? Oh wait -- that's happening NOW.

107/108 - average aid package is about $8000. Cost of one year is $65,000. So, average aid package is a touch less than 1/8 (12.5%) of total cost. I would say that is pretty little.

I know a girl who went to NE. Solid under grad but a 160 LSAT. I'm guessing that's their medium?

109, I am well left of center. The professors (and many of the students) at Northeastern aren't even on the circle anymore.

And as a graduate of Northeastern, the jobs I am applying for do not have forty hour weeks or health benefits.

Northeastern average LSAT is 161-163, depending on the year. But they always get two or three dozen Ivy-Little Ivy-equivalents who got low 170's but somehow bought into all of the school's public interest or co-op BS, or like how they get evaluations instead of grades, or whatever.

the law school scam continues unabated

The law schools put out bogus stats about the employment and income of their grads.

The legal profession media collude with the law schools to disseminate the statistical lies.

there's an interesting history MSL, "against the tide" by debbie hagan.

MSL tuition is 14.5K/year. the school's mission is to provide a decent, low-cost legal education to people shut out of traditional law schools, generally lower-income people from the commonwealth. i gather they have succeeded in this mission.

faced with the choice between increasing fees to meet ABA's accreditation guidelines and keeping costs low, MSL chose to keep costs low (after its challenges to the ABA's policies failed). that's a good thing - it increases options for consumers who prefer a cheap, unaccredited school. the new legal history program also seems to be providing a new option. how is that a bad thing?

Suffolk Law School is the Bunker Hill Community College of all law schools in the Boston area.

They even insult it in the movie "the Departed"

Suffolk law grads can't pronounce Tort- Tat

Widener is the Suffolk of Delaware

116, Maybe, but they have a killer building.

Northeastern is the true Suffolk of Boston.

Do you people want WESTERN STATE UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF LAW to get full ABA approval?????????????? Just asking, since you may have an opinion.

It's amazing how stupid Elie really is. Elie, nobody said the program is offering one less year of law school, but that the program is offering one less year in attaining a law degree. College plus law school in 6 years equals one less year.

You know, I never thought affirmative action was that big of a deal before I encountered Elie. Imagine the intellect of the White/Asian guy that was robbed of an admission at HLS because they snuck Elie in for his skin color. It's enough to take your breath away.

@116, they "make fun" of Suffolk in the Departed only in that it has a night program and Harvard doesn't. Considering the only schools that DO offer night programs are Suffolk and NESL, Suffolk's not a bad option.

Plenty of PhD's and scientists go through Suffolk's night program and work for BigLaw during the day. They'd probably prefer to go to BU, BC, or Harvard if those schools had night classes, but they don't so they make the best of what they have. Suffolk > NESL

93, I can assure you this will not lower the value of my degree at all.

There are too many lawyers in Massachusetts. If you cannot get into an accredited school do not bother. You will have a degree and be able to practice law, but you be doomed to mediocre salaries until you finally decide to move onto some other career. Drop out and go work for a large bank or something like that. You'll make more money and enjoy life more.

115--
That makes sense. (unless you just shelled out 10 times that to go to law school, and you;re afraid to admit that maybe you could end up in the same place by spending a lot less).

104--
Do you really think that FDA approval is the same as ABA accreditation? Nothing wrong with ABA accreditation, but its expensive, and is it really any more of a guarantee than Mass. Bd. of Regents or NE Association of Schools and Colleges?

Most everyone here seems to think that the ABA approves some pretty crappy law schools. But suddenly ABA approval is the only approval worth anything.

There are actually many very competent and talented attorney from Suffolk in practice. Not sure the same can be said about Mass. School of Law, or SNESL, or any of the other jokes.

ABA does approve some crappy law schools and so if your lawschool cannot even get approved, isn't that something you have to consider? MLS does not have ABA accreditation because it wanted to keep costs low? Yes, keeping costs low is a much better idea than having a good library or having competent professors.

Suffolk lawyers will swep the floor with the rest of your no talen ass clowns. Suffolk is Suffolk, a great law school with top professors. Thats all that needs to be said.

Would you ever want to buy a drug that's not FDA approved and risk the side effects? The side effects of not going to an ABA accredited law school is no job security, low pay, and having a crap resume. But if you want to work in a non-profit setting, who knows, it may just work.

Right after I tell people not to waste their time this news article pops up, don't know this lady. Maybe she is a great lawyer.

Westborough lawyer tapped for Worcester Juvenile Court
June 10th, 2009 | by julia |
Deborah A. S. Capuano, who has run a law practice based in Westborough since 1993, was selected Wednesday by Gov. Deval Patrick for a Worcester Juvenile Court judgeship. If confirmed, Capuano would replace Justice Martha Grace, who retired in February.

Capuano lives in Westborough. She’s a graduate of Worcester State College, Assumption College, and the Massachusetts School of Law in Andover. She’s focused her legal work on child protection and youth offender cases, mental health law and criminal defense.

– State House News Service

126--

All fair points. But in the 21st century (or whenever they went before the ABA) is the number of books in a library as important as electronic access?

Does the ABA still define "competency" of professors by how often they are published?

From what I;ve read, the Dean is sort of a whack-job and really has a hair across his back for the ABA. But he has raised some seemingly valid points about the disconnect between some of the ABA criteria and the actual things that go into a quality legal education.

128--
Pretty funny. No matter what one thinks of MassSchool of Law.

Northeastern is the Massachusetts School of Law of Boston.

Suffolk is the Phoenix University of law schools in Boston.