Respect the Ring?
[Ed. note: The following piece was authored by The Legal Tease, of Sweet Hot Justice fame. Check out her other musings from Sweet Hot Justice here.]
Quick question: When you think of the average married, middle-aged guy slogging his way up the Big Law partner track, what’s the first thing that comes to mind? A pasty, bloated puppet? A bald head? An over-worked, under-stimulated robot, bunking in at the office while the wife lies safely, if not securely, back at home? Well, if the state of affairs in and around my firm is any indication, you’d be off the mark — way off the mark. Because as far as I can tell lately, when it comes to Big Law romance, a wedding ring is the new corporate aphrodisiac.
Just last Thursday, I was at a happy hour with a few guys from work when one, a married finance associate named Carson, suddenly came back from the bar, flushed and jittery. He claimed that a woman had just sidled up next to him, put her hand next to his, fingered his wedding ring and cooed out of the blue, “I think married men are sexy.” Carson, a sweet, former engineer and admitted card-carrying nerd, was so flustered that he took off without even taking the drink he’d just bought. So, obviously, the woman was a hooker… right? Who else would come up to a skinny, bling-free dork at a bar and lay down a line like that? Why not target the group of buzzed, Brioni-bearing bankers two feet down? Or could it be that this woman actually just had… a thing for nerdy married lawyers? A niche fetish, if you will? Sort of like those women who only date death-row inmates and convicted arsonists?
I chalked it up to a random anecdote and put it out of my mind. But then, just a couple of days later, at dinner with my friend, Kirsten, a single, fourth-year Big Law employment litigator with a lawyer’s brain and a stripper’s body, I started to wonder. I was telling her about my latest experiment in humiliation — one that found me crushing on (and then promptly crushed by) a charming, flirtatious client who turned out to be covertly engaged — and she actually put down her watermelon mojito mid-sip, shot me a look and told me I should’ve just “gone for it.” When I asked what exactly there was to “go for” in this situation, she shrugged and looked down.
“I don’t know. It’s just easier.” She then told me that she was in the middle of a “successful” affair with a married associate at her old firm. She explained that she wasn’t particularly head-over-heels, but the arrangement worked just fine because, after working insane hours week after week, she was able to get what she wanted and knew where she stood. And in case I was wondering, yes, she was the one who targeted him. My thoughts shot back to Carson and his fingered wedding ring. It was my turn to put down the drink.
More after the jump.
Now, let’s be clear for a second: I’m not one for moralizing. If you want to play in the married end of the pool, have at it; it’s just not my particular scene. When I meet a new guy at work and notice that he’s sporting The Ring (or its close relative, The Fiancée), I immediately place him in a new mental league of potential romantic partners — a league that includes gay guys, straight girls and convicted sex offenders. I’m just not interested — not, I admit, because I have such a deep and abiding respect for the ring, but because, frankly, what’s in it for me? What’s the upside for me of being the “other woman”? I don’t particularly need a sugar daddy and if I’m going to have a no-strings, go-nowhere, sex-romp “relationship” with a guy, well, that’s what 25-year-old bartenders, aspiring actor-writer-musicians and the occasional summer associate — not puffy, middle-aged, overworked lawyers — are for.
Then again, maybe I’m just scarred. Because, despite Kirsten’s strained endorsement, I can tell you first-hand from my one disastrous experience with (dis)respecting the ring within the halls of Big Law: It’s not easier. And if you’re not careful — and are anything like me — it can also leave you sitting in your office, exhausted, listening to the hysterical, slurred sobs of an unhinged lunatic calling you from a coat closet in the middle of the night.
Recall for a moment Ben, my fellow Big Law drone and sort-of-friend from law school who’s best remembered around these parts for his star turn in the night of vodka-inspired debauchery that played out on the floor of my office several months back. After the unexpected night of office sexing, Ben surprised me the next day with a stunning bouquet of whore flowers, complete with an equally stunning note. In the days that followed, he called every couple of hours, confessing his affection and desire to see me again and… the fact that he actually was “technically” engaged to a girl he’d been dating since college.
The minute his flimsy admission dribbled out, I felt so pathetic. I should’ve known. Of course. Of course he was too good to be true. I told Ben not to contact me again, threw his goddamn flowers in the garbage and chalked the incident up to temporary insanity (and boredom…and a desperate need for human contact…). I figured I’d never hear from him again. And then I woke up the next day to 21 missed calls on my cell phone — all hang-ups, all from Ben, and all left between midnight and 7 a.m. He must have finally passed out at that point, because the phone didn’t start ringing until about four hours later. The next time he called, I picked up. He sounded drunk. At 11 a.m. On a Tuesday.
He told me that he couldn’t stop thinking about me and insisted that I had it all wrong when it came to the “situation” between him and his fiancée.
“It’s just that, she’s kind of…zaftig,” he offered.
“What?”
“She’s…you know, big. She’s a big girl. Like heavier, I mean.”
“Jesus Christ, Ben, I know what ‘zaftig’ means. Why — why are you telling me this?”
“It’s just that, I know it sounds weird, but she actually wouldn’t mind.”
“Wouldn’t mind…?”
“Wouldn’t mind if you and me, you know. She’s actually a lot more understanding than you’d think. You’d be surprised.”
Hm. You bet. After about 10 minutes of this (un)amusing (non)banter, where Ben tried to convince me to see him again, and where I tried to pretend that my life was something I was watching on TV instead of actually living, he finally dropped the bomb.
Boom goes the dynamite, back over at Sweet Hot Justice….




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Sweet hot justice ... mystal's moobs.... you get the idea....
"It is more likely a white male than a Latina who would be a pasty, bloated, bald-headed puppet."
-- SotomayOR!
Anybody here ever have sex with a Latina chick? Whats it like?
I've said it before and I'll say it again -- you are a dirty, smelly pirate hooker.
145, epic fail.
Having time to read crap like this is the worst thing about not being busy.
8 = EPIC fail. I think you're on the wrong post....
8 sucks at numbers.
Ugh - this again?
What is the point of a post that gives you half the story then tells you to go to a different site to read the rest of it? Basically, ATL is whoring itself out to other less popular sites to give them more traffic. This site sucks.
The only thing epic around here is Mystal's massive moobs.
A Sweet Hot Justice post that doesn't involve her getting laid? It's not right!
Great post.
Legal Tease and Roxana are my two favorite ATL writers.
Roxana is a stripper name.
I'm not a fan of this "column" but this is SO TRUE. But then again, anyone with a penis starts to look doable after 48 hours straight of doc review and weeks stuck working on a trial in the middle of nowhere .
No matter what the liberals tell us, there is such a thing as right and wrong. Adultery is wrong. End of story.
This was a very funny and well-written column. Thx LT.
99% of successful, good-looking guys over the age of 35 are married. Girls in that age bracket have no choice but to go after married guys.
8, here for the noobs. The "145" reference hearkens back to the days of THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS LAW SCHOOL ADMISSIONS BOARD IN THE WORLD, where a post was "scored" based on a 180 point scale. A score of 145 would be a terribly low score, in terms of percentile (bottom 15%, maybe).
I'm sorry to 9 and 10 who were never PRESTIGIOUS enough to frequent THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS LAW SCHOOL ADMISSIONS BOARD IN THE WORLD.
"99% of successful, good-looking guys over the age of 35 are married. Girls in that age bracket have no choice but to go after married guys."
Uh, have you heard of divorce?
True. But most of the divorced guys have issues as well.
22= woman lawyer over age 30 seriously worried about finding a husband, because all the good ones seem to be taken. Has fantasies about a great guy whose wife for some reason divorces him so that she can get married.
You missed the boat, 22. You shuld have married sooner.
24/25 is right on, In DC, there must be 20 single girls between the ages of 30-40 for every normal, good looking guy.
17, what time are you off?
The only guy who'll marry a 30+ woman is at least 55 years old. Any younger, and they want women in their mid-20s. Anyway, what man in his right mind wants to have anything to do with a female attorney, who by definition is a bitch.
#6
Some knifeplay, no anal, and you have to promise to get married the next day. 99% chance of resulting pregnancy. Not worth the effort.
A female attorney complaining about relationship problems? Does she not understand that female lawyers are the LAST women any man wants to commit to long-term? No one wants a soulless, job-obsessed, ball-busting guy-in-a-skirt for longer than a weekend. Sorry.
And here's a newsflash - if you weren't picked off by your very early 20's by a successful guy, it simply means that you're 2nd tier. Just lower your expectations and you'll be fine.
i loves skanky girl lawyers
Did you catch the fact that her league of off limit potential partners does not include bi or gay women. Gotta love it.
17 = Lat. Sweet Hot Justice = Lat. Most commenters = Lat. Hell, I may = Lat.
ATL sucks today. Sucks bad.
27/29, I can't imagine a smart, successful woman in ANY field would want you for more than a weekend either, so I guess it works out well for everyone involved.
I have never read a worse article in my life.
does anybody read this crap? i can never get past the first few sentences.
this whole discussion is sickening; absolutely sickening. as for respecting the ring, women need to respect the ring period. I am a very attractive 30 something woman (and young single guys looooovvvve me, so I don't know where you people above are getting your wack ass ideas) who's met the [married] man of my dreams several times. But I see the ring and I walk away (picture John Travolta in Pulp Fiction in the scene where he's in the bathroom contemplating whether to F Uma Thuman, his boss's wife). Skanks who touch married men deserve the abuse the woman-haters above are handing out. Mid-30s and I fear not because I am hottttt, single by choice, and I love who I am, including the ball busting bitch lawyer part................................
I agree with #35. This is the textual equivalent of violent diarrhea.
#37 = Elie.
37 here and it's not Elie. just an avid reader of this site sickened by skanks.
37 -> future old lady with cats.
This story was funny the first time, on Seinfeld.
co-Stan-za
-37
Don't kid yourself. You would go for the right married guy in a minute. Your clock is ticking, you better jump on one of the fat, dorky single guys that are left.
41--doubtful
41--future old guy hordogging after stank skanks................ OR
present skank in serious need of "feminine" cleansing products..............gross.
hmmm, a "ball busting bitch" who is "single by choice." Okay, whatever you say.
41--doubtful
41=future old guy horndogging after stank skanks................ OR
present skank in serious need of "feminine" cleansing products..............gross.
41--doubtful
41=future old guy horndogging after stank skanks................ OR
present skank in serious need of "feminine" cleansing products..............gross.
41--doubtful
41=future old guy horndogging after stank skanks................ OR
present skank in serious need of "feminine" cleansing products..............gross.
yup, not all chicks want to wallow around with stank cheesy dicks
yup, not all chicks want to wallow around with stank cheesy dicks
yup, not all chicks want to wallow around with stank cheesy dicks
stank cheesy woman-hating dicks like you 41, 45 that is.................. GROSS!!!!!! I can smell you over here.........................
Coke and pounding my secretary in her ass on a Friday, bitches!
# 31 -
I did catch that. When do we get an installment on that?
And when do we get a picture of Kristen, the 4th year with the lawyer's brain and the stripper's body?
Attractive women who place their job and their personal ambitions in the forefront of their lives should make themselves available to married men, so long as they:
1. take it for what it is and remain friends with the guy
2. assist in keeping it discreet
3. are religious with their birth control.
Keep a positive attitude and don't get needy. You're hot, and smart, and smart successful guys connect with you. Having fun, sexual encounters with successful guys will pay off for you in the long run.
Attractive women who place their job and their personal ambitions in the forefront of their lives should make themselves available to married men, so long as they:
1. take it for what it is and remain friends with the guy
2. assist in keeping it discreet
3. are religious with their birth control.
Keep a positive attitude and don't get needy. You're hot, and smart, and smart successful guys connect with you. Having fun, sexual encounters with successful guys will pay off for you in the long run.
I think you hit a nerve with 46-51, as evidenced by her multiple posts.
I don't see any problem dating/marrying a successful, career oriented woman. Occasional ball busting keeps a relationship dynamic and honest.
Of course, I have a sense of internal self-confidence and only become intimidated around loaded firearms. Maybe that's the trick?
--Elie
What's this? Another comment thread evidencing the douchebag misogynists that run rampant in the legal community?
Utterly pathetic. You douchebags aren't even creative or witty enough to make the misogyny amusing. If you're going to be an ignorant ass, at least pull it off with style.
FAIL.
Co-signing 37 here. Another attractive woman in her 30s (early 30s) with no problem meeting single men. I find it absolutely repulsive when a man with a wedding ring hits on me. If you wanted to continue playing around, you shouldn't have gotten married.
News flash: not all women WANT to get married, some of us are actually happy being single and taking a FWB when we get the urge.
34 - While I understand your loneliness compels your response, you do have a point. Ideally a man would swoop a woman before she is old enough to have a career, as it is not preferable to have a woman who has sullied her hands with work, and of course you don't want an over the hill (i.e. >23) harpie. However, not all men can achieve that, so the next best option is to pull a woman from one of the better career lines - teaching, nursing, working with children, legitimate volunteer work, etc. You want a woman that acts like a woman and who can be a present mother to your progeny.
Is ball-busting code for tea-bagging?
Is ball-busting code for tea-bagging?
Is ball-busting code for tea-bagging?
60/37 -
"Meeting" men and finding men worth spending yor life with are two different things. Good thing you don't want to get married, because all of the good onse are gone.
Ellie has to marry a career-oriented woman, he can't take care of himself on ATL's salary. Without her support he would be living in the street.
65-
You're right, all the good ones ARE gone. They are the ones who remain committed to their wives and families and don't fuck around with some chick they met in a bar who didn't even have the self-respect to not mess with a married man.
Not everyone has a ticking biological clock or longs for a man's attention. I do appreciate a single man who can get down but not want to OWN me.
Any woman who blames the "skank at the bar" for her husband's infidelity is almost comically misguided.
Very funny 61
The married man is more responsible, the "skank" at the bar didn't make any vows, but she's not innocent, either. I was more musing at the type of man who would find a woman who didn't respect something as basic as marriage attractive. Then again, a lot of men don't find self-respect attractive.
Women need a men to take care of them. After all, women are the root of all sin and evil in the world, and without a man, they simply aren't complete.
What about the skanky women lawyers who are married and still get nailed by the married practice leader so they can advance their career? They screw their spouses, partners and cast the firm in a bad light. Any Sutherland trolls here?
72 - such a broken record. Get a life already!
When Mystal wears that (cock) ring-cum-necklace it just means she's a size queen.
41 - Comment of the day!
Nothing funnier than a bunch of whiny internet boys testifying to their fear of a confident woman.
And this Johnny Lawrence douche with his "your clock's ticking, all the good ones are gone" playback loop -- dude, your deep, misplaced resentments and fears are kinda hanging out there.
You sad sack specimens are a minority sampling of our gender, but you wouldn't know it around here ...
76= Fat single guy trying to gain sympathy.
Dude, these girls are not buying what you are trying to sell.
Troll busted.
76 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCm2CCm-Z3E (no rickroll)
Ahh, so is this what White lawyers are up to (oh, yah, Caron is black, NOT)? This should be an interesting weekend for the characters in this story... the whole country is literally your playground.
Ahh, so is this what White lawyers are up to (oh, yah, Caron is black, NOT)? This should be an interesting weekend for the characters in this story... the whole country is literally your playground.
Bah, who needs men in their 30s. Go for the 20s. I married a 26 year old man when I was 36. Keep looking good and you'll keep him.
Bah, who needs men in their 30s. Go for the 20s. I married a 26 year old man when I was 36. Keep looking good and you'll keep him.
I had my ass grabbed by two (2) married male partners at my ex-biglaw firm. I would rather do everything the dune guy says 142,567,999.3 times over than get anywhere near those bloated, pasty, overeager, red-faced guys. I hated working for them; I don't accept their being naked as a possibility. I don't understand any woman using one of these imbeciles to fulfill a need merely because it's convenient. Buy a damn vibrator and some porn, and have some self-respect!
slut
I'm calling BS on the lawyer with a stripper body. We don't have 2 hours a day to spend in the gym. And I've never seen a female attorney who had a patently obvious boob job. If you are really doing the work that is required to advance, this job takes a toll on your physical appearance to some extent, whether you a woman or a man. Just the nature of the beast. That is unless you are blessed with some magical "skinny" gene, which is probably less than 5% of all lawyers.
And women, not every married guy who throws a glance your way in a bar or at the office has an uncontrollable urge to cheat on his wife with you (in the office or any other sleazy location). I know this runs contrary to everything thing that is shown on television, but it's true. Plenty of happily married men (and women) check out members of the opposite sex every day with no intention of advancing beyond that. Perfectly harmless if that's all it is. After all, we're humans, not robots.
Johnny L. ... all fake swagger, false assumptions and lonely, lonely tears long into the night.
Buck up, little guy. Put half the effort into your realtime personality as you do your sad ATL persona, and you can have friends and even maybe a date.
-- 76, not fat, not single, not done laughing at you.
(Sorry I took so long to wander back and reply. Actually have work to do.)
Johnny Lawrence, what kind of guy are you that spend a significant amount of time out of your day insisting female lawyers are unmarriable? I'd be willing to bet you're a very single 1L sad sac.
I mean seriously, what is your agenda that compels you to so passionately peddle this belief of yours? Are you married to a 23 year old nurse? I highly doubt it. But if you are, it makes your posts all the more pathetic.
And to those of you who married too young: have fun going home to the same, annoying fucking person every night while the rest of us are out living life.
PS: Half of you will get divorced. Those of us smart enough to NOT marry our very first significant-other have a much better success rate than you schmucks.
88 - still carrying a chip over that special first that broke their heart.
86-
There's a difference between checking out (which is human) and hitting on (which is sleazy)
90 -
I'll agree with that. A line usually gets crossed from one to the other. Then again, friendly conversation, even about personal stuff, does not always constitute "hitting on" someone. And that's where the confusion lies.
I'm a pretty junior male partner (happily married) at a midsize firm. It's one of those places where you can pretty much get to know everyone in the firm if you are inclined. I can see the discomfort on the faces of some of the female associates' faces when I just try to make small talk with them in social settings. I take the hint, because I don't want to create an awkward situation. No harm, no foul. But just because a guy asks you if you are married/have kids/engaged or where you are from originally doesn't mean he's making a pass at you.
And for you fool older partners that think that hot young secretary is marrying you for your wonderful attitude, just wait till you get your walking papers.
Sutherland trolls, time to monitor again.
91 = creepy, handsy old dude at every firm.
91,
Hit the gym bro. If you are attractive and charming, you won't get upturned noses if you discuss personal issues when married.
Give me a break, any self respecting woman is not going to do a fat wrinkly ass Viagra aided partner unless she is going to get something out of it. Why would she? They are gross.
The great lie is that we should only be tied down with one partner. The greatest joy in life comes through relationships. Marriage is convenient and good for child raising, but has been twisted into a terrible contract regarding relationships. Women and men should be free to enjoy a few fantastic moments together and kindle long lasting friendships whether married or not. More and more people are realizing this thank goodness. The author if this story may be a prude but hopefully she'll be someday liberated to fully enjoy sexuality and friendships.
96- agreed. I just think there is no joy in sleeping with fat ass partners.