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Ballard Spahr And Thompson Hine Cancel Their 2010 Summer Programs (Update: Squire Sanders, Too)

Thumbnail image for Ballard Spahr logo.JPGJust last week, Ballard Spahr was sending around inspirational messages to its associates. Today, the firm has decided to cancel its 2010 Summer Program.

Thompson Hine has also decided to cancel its 2010 Summer Program. If nothing else the move should give Rogue Associate an opportunity to comment.

It’s one thing to cancel your entire summer program. But what is surprising about Ballard Spahr and Thompson Hine is that the firms did not make any formal, official announcement about the decision. Instead, students learned the information from their respective law school recruiting offices.

Update (1:04): Now Squire Sanders is also canceling its 2010 Summer Program. More details after the jump.

Here’s the Ballard Spahr “announcement” (via Penn Law School):

Dear Students, As we near the close of bidding, we wanted to provide you with an update on schedule changes that we received so far today. Akin Gump went from 40 interview slots in NYC and 40 interview slots in DC to 20 interview slots in NYC and 20 interview slots in DC.

Paul Weiss went from 80 interview slots to 60 interview slots.

Ballard Spahr will not have a 2010 summer program and, as such, has canceled on campus interviews.

All of this information is updated in Symplicity. Please note that we will continue to provide you with updates as is feasible. However, it may not be possible for us to email you with all changes so please be sure to check Symplicity before bidding closes tomorrow, July 21st at 11:59 p.m.

After the jump, we see that Duke students were the first to learn about the Thompson Hine cancellation.

Thompson_Hine_logo.jpgAt Duke Law School, it appears that bidding for summer associate interviews is already complete. This made the Thompson Hine announcement particularly annoying for students. Here’s what Duke law students who bid on Thompson Hine received this morning:

We received notification from the employer, Thompson Hine, that they will be canceling interviews. The employer informed us that:

“We are evaluating our recruitment processes in response to the market changes. With our Fall class for this year and the Summer class that we just had, our recruitment needs will be well met for the next cycle. Therefore, we are not participating in OCI or Resume Collects at any schools this season.

We will be focusing more on Practice Group specific needs and recruiting accordingly for those at schools.”

There is nothing else that you need to do at this point. I am sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused and wish you well in your other interviews. You will be removed from this interview and your interview schedule will reflect this change.

A tipster expressed this frustration:

I sure do appreciate Thompson Hine waiting until after the OCI bidding is done and the schedules have been set up to cancel. Very professional of them. It would have been a shame had I bid on a firm that wasn’t going to cancel their summer class.

ATL commenters could have helped you make a different decision on which firms to interview with.

Good luck class of 2011. It looks like things are going to get more difficult before the economic storm breaks.

Update (1:04): It looks like Squire Sanders is also canceling its 2010 Summer Program. Here’s the email (again via Duke Law School):

We received notification from the employer, Squire Sanders, that they will be canceling interviews. At this time, they are not planning on having a summer class, but they will re-evaluate their summer needs for this spring. You are encouraged to submit a resume and cover letter directly to the employer as this time and follow up in the early spring. You will be removed from this interview and your interview schedule will reflect this change.

Pay no attention to that sound of wailing and gnashing of teeth. That’s just the sound of the class of 2011 realizing the phrase “getting screwed with your pants on” isn’t just a colloquial metaphor.

Earlier: Morgan Lewis Cancels 2010 Summer Program
A Message of Inspiration From Ballard Spahr
Did Gender Play A Role In Layoffs At Squire Sanders?

Comments

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1 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 12:50 PM

Firsty

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2 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 12:50 PM

FIRSTY

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3 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 12:50 PM

Both "cancels"? Bummer.

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4 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 12:52 PM

the ipod be sync-ing

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5 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 12:53 PM

Dook students are annoyed because their school sucks in so many ways.

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6 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 12:53 PM

At least they are honest that they don't need attorneys right now. Would you rather be hired on on no offered or fired as a first year because there is no work? I don't think so....

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7 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 12:53 PM

Oopsie :)

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8 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 12:53 PM

hey 5,

STFUB

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9 Posted by Moobs | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 12:54 PM

ATL = An Obituary

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10 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 12:55 PM

I said it last week - when Makadon sends out an "all is well" memo, you know bad news will be forthcoming from the 51st floor on Market Street. At least this time, it didn't involve terminating more associates. This time.

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11 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 12:55 PM

I said it last week - when Makadon sends out an "all is well" memo, you know bad news will be forthcoming from the 51st floor on Market Street. At least this time, it didn't involve terminating more associates and of counsel. This time.

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12 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 12:55 PM

BIGLAW is finally getting the point that summer programs are useless and moneywasting. However, in that law firms notoriously handle their business poorly, this historic downturn in employment by law firms could very well be followed by a historic hiring binge. Of course I am not saying that that will occur, however, as these firms consolidate and the economy bounces back, there will eventually be the need for experienced bodies and I do not mean limp know nothing first years as clients have exceedingly demanded that those types not work on their accounts. This is the real reason behind the elimination of summer programs. Firms finally realize that they are training future losses.

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13 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 12:55 PM

So, it appears that shit does indeed flow downhill. It's looking like 2011 graduates will truly be the "lost generation." 2010 are starting to look like they'll come in second, with 2009 coming in third. None of these students are in an enviable position. Good luck to all.

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14 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 12:56 PM

FIRSTY!!!!

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15 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 12:57 PM

@5

I am going to shit in your mouth and then set you chode on fire.

10

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16 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 12:58 PM

I've said it before and i will say it again - absolutely 100% do NOT attend law school right now. Defer one year, do something else before taking up the ginormous loan.

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17 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:01 PM

15 is a tough guy

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18 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:02 PM

16 - soundest advice posted on ATL in a long time.

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19 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:02 PM

I sincerely hope that these overbloated law school professor and dean salaries are reduced accordingly as is tuition. These tenured whiny pussies need to taste the same pain the proletariat faces.

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20 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:02 PM

16 - soundest advice posted on ATL in a long time.

21 Posted by Dubya | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:02 PM


How you like me now?

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22 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:03 PM

It's better than Latham. They bring in huge classes just to lay them off after four months of work.

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23 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:04 PM

21 - NEVER liked you.

24 Posted by Michael Ray Richardson | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:05 PM

The ship be sinking...

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25 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:05 PM

Dubya kills me. good character.

(Dubya = 15?)

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26 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:05 PM

22 - NO it isnt, you freaking moron. How much severance did Latham give again? Was it waaay above market? Was Latham the only firm that laid off first years? Was Latham one of the firms that couched layoffs as performance based? SO FREAKING TIRED OF PISSASS LOSERS LIKE YOURSELF. STFU.

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27 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:08 PM

Who cares how many first years Latham laid off? There severance was two months above market.

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28 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:09 PM

Below is a list of the top 20 firms who've laid off half a first year class.

1. Latham

That is all

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29 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:09 PM

The streets of
Philadelphia smell like poop in the summer.

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30 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:10 PM

Smart business move by Ballard. Work is exceedingly hard to come by. Should have been obvious that this was going to happen when Morgan Lewis cancelled its summer program. Anything Morgan Lewis does, Ballard does. TTT see, TTT do.

31 Posted by Partner Emeritus | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:11 PM

These non-peer firms have done a public service by cancelling their respective summer programs in 2010. Moreover, this is a testament to my prophecies about the long lasting effect of our current recession. Folks, the economy won't see any recovery until 2015. In six months you will start to feel the consequences of inflation (thank you Pres. Obama). Hiding in law school as an alternative to "riding out" the recession is a foolish and costly strategy. If you are in law school, I advise you to drop out before incurring more debt to finance a lost dream. Canceling a summer program is not a component of hybrid tough love. Cancelling a summer program is saying "you're fucked" to the current students in law school and I couldn't agree more.

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32 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:11 PM

26

Latham said its first round of layoffs were performance based. Many people assert that this was complete bullshit.

Latham didn't have any room to pretend the second round was performance based because they laid off half the first years, half the second years, and a third of the third years. No one would have believed them.

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33 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:13 PM

26 = latham recruiting

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34 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:14 PM

PE, I am shocked by your use of vulgarity. Very unbecoming.

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35 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:14 PM

22 - do NOT criticize Latham, lots of other firms ass raped first year associates like Latham did, but Latham also gave the ass raped associates a reach around for the trouble something other ass raping firms did not do, this puts them beyond reproach, you are so FREAKING SELFISH LOSER

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36 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:15 PM

33 = Laid off Latham first year.

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37 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:16 PM

Latham NY laid off everyone who failed the bar except for a partner's son who miraculously survived.

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38 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:17 PM

You had BETTER thank Latham for the reach around it gave you when it raped you in the ass.

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39 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:18 PM

36 = soon to be Laid off Latham associate with no work and time to post on ATL.

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40 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:19 PM

36 is Latham recruiting. Everyone knows most Latham NY associates hate Latham too.

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41 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:19 PM

Perhaps this news bodes well for those deferred incomings?

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42 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:19 PM

It stinks like gaping female massholes in the summer in here.

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43 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:20 PM

Hey guys, when you see a prospective hire with Latham on his resume, there is a non-trivial chance that he/she is the incessant Latham whiner. Better to avoid all ex-Lathamites at all costs, no? It's just not worth the risk.

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44 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:21 PM

PLEASE SHUT UP ABOUT LATHAM. This thread is about turmoil at TTT firms. Stop hijacking.

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45 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:23 PM

16 - What about YLS/HLS/SLS? Is any law school worth going to or would defer all? Is the class of 2012 in bad shape?
--Worried 0L

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46 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:23 PM

16 - What about YLS/HLS/SLS? Is any law school worth going to or would you defer all? Is the class of 2012 in bad shape?
--Worried 0L

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47 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:23 PM

43 - the chance that any random ex-Lathamite is the Latham whiner is much less than trivial because Latham laid off hundreds and hundreds of associates but there is just one Latham whiner

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48 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:23 PM

Here's hoping that the legal profession goes down the tubes as quickly as possible. Lawyers are a plague on society. They suck shit more than Obama sucks shit. Time for few jobs for lawyers, lower pay, less security, and no benefits. If you want to practice law, you should hang out a shingle and cross your fingers. Fuck all lawyers.

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49 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:23 PM

43

everyone already was 1) because no one's hiring juniors, and 2) latham has unfairly stigmatized them with a layoff

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50 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:24 PM

did he died?

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51 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:25 PM

a "reach around" during a rape?

where do you guys get this stuff?

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52 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:26 PM

PE is also an economist, apparently.

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53 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:26 PM

51, it's an ass rape, and do NOT criticize Latham

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54 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:27 PM

The Class of 2009 is the Lost Generation, but the later classes will feel just as much pain. Maybe more. Get ready to hurt, losers.

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55 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:27 PM

39 - Whiny laid off Latham ASSociate

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56 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:27 PM

4 = parody of the week

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57 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:27 PM

It stinks like gaping female massholes in the summer in here.

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58 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:27 PM

Latham's reach around wasn't all that great. People had up to 10k of vacation pay deducted from it.

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59 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:28 PM

56 = 4 (= Roxana)

60 Posted by Partner Emeritus | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:29 PM

This comment is addressed to post no. 34.

I apologize for the use of profanity in my earlier post. I received a call this morning from a fellow member of my country club. He wanted me to place his daughter, who is an incoming 1L at a top 5 school, at my firm next summer. He implied that if I couldn't do this favor for him, he would besmirch my good name at the club. I have a feeling I will be getting more of these calls as non-peer firms begin to cancel their summer programs. So yes, I am perturbed and upset that non-peer firms won't be around to pick off the riff raff from these schools.

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61 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:31 PM

PE's country club... hahaha

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62 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:33 PM

58, please explain

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63 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:35 PM

60: is she hoTTT?

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64 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:35 PM

I know that PE is a member of the New York Athletic Club. But I did not know that he is six months behind on his Discover Card.

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65 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:36 PM

PE goes to the Staten Island YMCA.

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66 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:37 PM

PE: What is the difference between you and a grilled cheese sandwich?

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67 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:39 PM

56 = 4

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68 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:39 PM

PE:

Does your firm even recruit at Penn? Wouldn't that be stooping a little too low?

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69 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:40 PM

46 - if you are truly interested in being a lawyer, and not just the (expected) salary, which means you've had some actual experience in law offices and understand the day-to-day of the type of work you'd like to do, AND someone else is footing the bill (no or minimal loans), then go.

If you are counting on racking up 100K+ in loans and then walking into a job that will comfortably support you and your loan payments, 16 is right on the money. Defer, keep your current job or try to get a job working or volunteering in the field, and see what happens in the next year. A year is not a long time.

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70 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:41 PM

With all the Latham-bashing, what do you think it means that Latham is one of the only firms that is interviewing 3Ls on my campus this year? Do you think maybe they over cut and now need to bump their class, or are they so incompetent that they haven't thought to reduce their interview schedule?

-T14 3L with few options.

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71 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:42 PM

PE once implied he was a member at Pine Valley. My parents are members at Pine Valley. There might be one or two lawyers with the funds and prestige to become members of Pine Valley. I will ask my parents if they know any attorneys who are members at Pine Valley.

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72 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:42 PM

Michael Best of Milwaukee is dissolving this week. You heard it hear first. Resumes are flooding the streets of Milwaukee.

73 Posted by Partner Emeritus | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:45 PM

This comment is addressed to post nos. 66 & 68.

66: The difference is I don't melt in 100 degree temperature.

68: Which Penn are you referring to? Penn State (Dickinson Law) or UPenn? These days I am not even sure there is a huge difference between the two.

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74 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:45 PM

If these whiny ex-Latham associates were as stellar as they purport to be, they would band together and launch their own firm.

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75 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:49 PM

70: I'm a 3L at a T5 school and noticed the same odd interview opportunity (and, in fact, hope to interview with their NY and NJ offices, mainly because of the novelty/irony of the opportunity). I suspect they're looking to poach desperate, screwed, but talented-looking graduates. What I wonder is whether those people will be starting in fall of 2010, or whether they'll have to accept deferrals like everyone else.

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76 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:50 PM

PE =idiot. The cheese on a grilled cheese is already melted.

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77 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:50 PM

Good thing I didn't bid on these TTT firms.

-Confident top 5% Seton Hall 2L

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78 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:53 PM

72 - That would not surprise me at all.

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79 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 1:56 PM

Elie's moobs are expanding this week. You heard it here first.

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80 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:00 PM

77 - Confidence is something one who is confident need not announce. Suck it trebek.

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81 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:02 PM

Van Winkle ain't canceling shit.

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82 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:02 PM

THERE ARE NO JOBS

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83 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:03 PM

Back to Ballard-- What do you expect neither the City of Philadelphia nor the State of Pennsylvania can pay their bills these days. Having those long-time political connections doesn't mean $$$$ (choose the four letter word)

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84 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:04 PM

Mystal's moobs masquerading mammary mounds mischievously mlactating milkshakes

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85 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:06 PM

Elie! Get down to the lipstick building and find out why LaTTTham is interviewing 3Ls after cutting half their office. Sounds like some shady bullshit to me.

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86 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:08 PM

PE,

Don't let anyone slander your good name. You are easily the best bathroom attendant I've ever seen, and I've seen them all over the world. In fact, next time that rat comes into the men's locker room, don't even offer him a hand towel or spritz of eau de cologne. That'll learn that rumor monger. Most people just don't realize that the help run the country clubs, and that even bathroom attendants are people too. That's why I tip nearly every time.

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87 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:16 PM

70

Latham NY hired 10 2008 students as 3Ls, then cut half of the class four months after everyone started.

Draw your own conclusion.

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88 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:18 PM

PE fun fact #374: He drives a metallic blue 2002 Toyota Tercel. He also elected to live in undergraduate housing as a 1L despite the fact that he had the option of living in graduate housing with his fellow law students. Not making judgments, just telling it like it is (or was).

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89 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:23 PM

PE is a cock-watcher.

I never get tired of that.

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90 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:25 PM

If anyone from Ballard Spahr is looking for a job, Marshall Dennehey is hiring, but they require 2600 billable hours, a Widener degree (I got mine in a box of cereal) and at least one bar failure.

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91 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:28 PM

Milbank is cancelling it's summer program. Get on this ATL.

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92 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:29 PM

nor do we 89 ... nor do we.

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93 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:29 PM

From Wikipedia:

The Ballard Spahr significantly increases wing strength with only a modest increase in weight, which made it a popular feature on early monoplanes. But as engines became more powerful and airspeeds increased in the late 1920s and into the 1930s, the drag penalty became too great. By the outset of World War II, the Ballard Spahr had all but disappeared from aircraft design.

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94 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:33 PM

PE = Roxana

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95 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:35 PM

Is PE the Staten Island ferry?

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96 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:48 PM

@ 72 - can anyone confirm this?

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97 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:51 PM


Marshall Dennehy to 60k!

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98 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:57 PM

@66 & 73: A Grilled cheese sandwich isn't a 1L at a TTT?

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99 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 2:59 PM

98: Correction, a "rising 2L."

When he speaks of "peer firms," he's referring to State Farm.

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100 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 3:01 PM

@66 & 73: A grilled cheese can satisfy PE's wife?

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101 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 3:03 PM

@66 & 73: a grilled cheese sandwich is not a giant douchebag?

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102 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 3:06 PM

Who is making love to PE's old lady, while he is out doing document review?

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103 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 3:10 PM

This Upenn Warden school is the sucks

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104 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 3:11 PM

102,

Well, that's actually not a problem. You see, PE's "old lady" (or Gordon as most of us know him) is actually the paralegal at PE's slip-n-fall shop. It makes work time fun.

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105 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 3:11 PM

WHERE IS RA???? Doesn't this post concern his favorite firm TTThompson Hine? Actually these days RA has started reminding me of the Scarlet Pimpernel.

They seek him here, they seek him there
Those TTThompson Hine partners,
they seek him everywhere
Is he in heaven or is he in Hell?
That Damned elusive counsel

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106 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 3:15 PM

class of 2010 = the real lost generation

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107 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 3:16 PM

class of 2010 = the real lost generation

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108 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 3:16 PM

@66 & 73: someone might be sad if a grilled cheese sandwich was run over by a bus?

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109 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 3:25 PM

Thanks Obama.

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110 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 3:28 PM

Thanks Obama.

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111 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 3:30 PM

latham is interviewing 3Ls at my TTT too.

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112 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 3:35 PM

106 & 107

Crap

-the class of 2010

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113 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 3:37 PM

Latham interviewing 3Ls is a slap in the face to the 2008, 2007, and 2006 classes they decimated in NY. They laid off half to a third of each of these classes. Now they don't have enough incoming 3Ls coming in?

*shakes head*

Don't forget that Latham hired 10 2008 grads as 3Ls, then slaughtered half of this class only 4 months after everyone started.

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114 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 3:41 PM

*Explains Latham hiring at 3L OCI*
Latham fired all of the Asian associates to make room for white replacements.

115 Posted by BHO | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 3:48 PM

109/110: You're welcome, but you ain't seen nothin' yet. Anyone who would be happy with a secure job that will soon be paying upwards of $40,000 per year should seriously consider medical school.

I'm Barack Obama?

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116 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 3:49 PM

THIS IS ALL OBAMA'S FAULT, EVERYTHING WAS GOING GREAT UNTIL HE TOOK OFFICE

HOGAN SECURE

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117 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 4:12 PM

116 -

Well ya know somethin' Mean Gene, whatever happens with wrestling, my family comes first. Wrestling`s in my blood, but my family`s in my heart."

-Hulk Hogan Secure

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118 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 4:13 PM

Isn't Ballard the firm that made huge cuts to all associate salaries and then imposed a hard cap so that even the most senior associates would make more than a SEPTA bus driver?

Nice to see those remaining associates will be working in an understaffed firm for a lot less pay.

Way to make sure you hold on to your best people Ballard.

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119 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 4:19 PM

On a scale of 1-10 how classes are/were screwed:
2009 - 2
2010 - 5
2011 - 9

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120 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 4:22 PM

119 - Not enough information. Check back after we see 2010 offer rates and deferals.

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121 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 4:22 PM

The presence of foreign attorneys in big law firms is surging. If one in every four associates in major market firms is a foreigner, it is no wonder that there are fewer places available for American law grads.

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122 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 4:37 PM

PE,

With all of your free time this summer after 1L at Suffolk, can't you find a better picture than President Bennett (aka Donald Moffat) from Clear and Present Danger? Better yet, just post your 2006 Sigma Chi picture from Rutgers.

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123 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 4:44 PM

Wolf Block is gone. Ballard listing (like a boat). What TTT left in Philadelphia? Please tell me or should I pack my bags?

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124 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 4:52 PM

@123 Did you mean TTT and hiring?

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125 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 4:57 PM

I blame Michele Patrick Chewing.

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126 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 5:01 PM

Hitler believed that a country with a perfectly functioning bureaucracy would have no need for lawyers.

Maybe we are headed for that.

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127 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 5:13 PM

121 - Fuck off nationalist.

Sincerely,

Foreign, more qualified associate sitting at your (former) desk.

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128 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 5:30 PM

Just more shit dribble down the leg of Ballard as tries to digest several rancid small firms.

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129 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 5:38 PM

Many firms whose Summer programs have ended have already given 100% offers.... the bloodbath of 2010'ers mostly pertained to the smaller class sizes, not the offer-rates.

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130 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 5:42 PM

anyone in law school- don't refer to yourself as the lost generation- it is defeatist, melodramatic, entitled, self-important, bratty nonsense.

times are tough, but if you have any kind of perspective, you know that they have been tough before and will be tough later-
no one wants to hear someone who hasn't taken the bar whine about being part of a lost generation of lawyers

and don't let someone else give you that title either- it just brings you down

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131 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 5:55 PM

Foreign lawyers are gradually replacing American law graduates at big, nominally American law firms in the major U.S. markets. This trend is having a greater actual impact on the legal market than outsourcing. If the trend continues, it could easily dwarf outsourcing over the long term.

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132 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 5:56 PM

@P/ EMERITUS

"I have been an attorney for 40 plus years."(?)

You hobble around the office wondering where the mimeograph and Thermofax machines are located.

You keep asking your secretary why there is a TV attached to your electric typewriter.

You are out-of-touch, and your time has passed.

If we need your legal briefs for the Rule in Shelley's Case, or opinions in other ancient matters, we'll ask.

Until then, go to Staples and try to locate the carbon paper, the office is all out.

Lastly, I'd like to inform you you've been de-equitized, Counsel Emeritus.

- The Partnership

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133 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 6:02 PM

Post no. 127 illustrates how in 2009 America, patriots are outcasts and patriotism is virtually a dirty word.

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134 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 6:05 PM

"Post no. 127 illustrates how in 2009 America, patriots are outcasts and patriotism is virtually a dirty word."

Nah. She's just trying to rile people up.

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135 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 6:08 PM

121 - wtf? its the foreigner's fault. yes, that's very clever. clown.
127 - double wtf??
you're more qualified because you are foreign? affirmative action beneficiary and qualified are not the same thing. please try again.

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136 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 6:14 PM

134--It is probable that 127's comment is entirely sincere. It reflects an attitude held by many foreign lawyers who work in the United States: disdain for the natives combined with a sense of entitlement to their jobs.

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137 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 6:20 PM

"134--It is probable that 127's comment is entirely sincere. It reflects an attitude held by many foreign lawyers who work in the United States: disdain for the natives combined with a sense of entitlement to their jobs."

They actually just pretend to have that attitude when they're around people who are easily upset. There have been studies.

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138 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 6:22 PM

The old time recruiters tell stories of the lost years of the late 80s/early 90s in which there were literally no qualified real estate associates due to an avalanche of layoffs after that real estate crash.

The same thing will happen here. In a year maybe two, there will be no qualified structured finance, corporate, m&a or securities attorneys because all will have been laid off or gone on the greener pastures. this will lead to another kneejerk spate of hiring, likely of attorneys rejected from biglaw during this debacle who will remain underemployed until such time.

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139 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 6:38 PM

If Foreign Lawyers are winning this hand then we need to pay attention to where the business is located. We need to be able to move into emerging markets without the firm having to hire a translator for us. We need to learn one or two foreign languages well enough to work in them (read and speak fluently). We must learn how to broker that deal in a lot of places other than home. We must look upon working out of a non US office as more than an opportunity for shopping and starting our art import business. Besides, those foreign lawyers you are talking about really are American Lawyers if they were educated in a US Law school. Some of them are more American than I am , and I and all 7 generations of my foreparents were born here.

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140 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 6:50 PM

139,

We should indeed look to ways to improve our skills and your exhortation to us is welcome. But your comment assumes that foreign lawyers are being placed in law firms in the United States due to a their supposed (often "foreign"-related) unique skillset. In most cases, that simply is not the case, and an American associate could perform all, if not the bulk, of their work perfectly well. Most of these jobs do not require a special "foreign" skillset, although they do require intelligence, hard work, and attention to detail.

What accounts for the growing numbers of foreigner lawyers is, in short, their growing numbers. More and more are allowed to into the same job applicant pool as native law graduates and associates. The selection system then allocates competent graduates in a fairly random fashion to firms. Once you are in the pool, if you are relatively competent, you will be placed somewhere. Of course, not ALL graduates or associates are of like caliber, but certainly within fairly wide bands, applicants are fairly indistinguishable.

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141 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 6:51 PM

127 here. I was just trying to make the point that if a foreign lawyer is sitting in "your" chair, it is because they are likely more qualified than you. BigLaw is a meritocracy and firms will always hire the most qualified candidate according to their metrics.

Those metrics always include solid if not stellar educational credentials, professionalism, work ethic, productivity. Sometimes firms add foreign language skills, multi-national licensing and international experience to their metrics.

Any foreign attorney sitting in "your" chair likely beat you on both scales.

Protectionism is a very un-healthy way to compete in a global job market. Besides, it's also un-American.

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142 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 6:55 PM

There is plenty of domestic competition in the domestic Big Law labor market, without needing to flood the country with foreign lawyers to provide additional work incentives. The competition is already fierce.

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143 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 7:09 PM

@ 140 and 141
139 here-- I agree with you. What I am also saying is that we need to do what so many MBA brethern are doing in increasing numbers, that is go into the global market. Even US firms want people who can work in a global market-- whether they sit them in New York, Shanghai or Pottsdam. Most of us learn only one law. Too few of us even bother to take a course on international issues (for example on international intellectual property protection). Did you see the Kinney Recruiting ad on the front page of ATL today? So many of the posted jobs had a foreign language requirement. It's no longer enough for us to take only two semesters of either French, German or Spanish.

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144 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 7:28 PM

143,

Why shouldn't we do both? Regulate our borders and domestic market, on the one hand, and encourage some of our students to develop skills that will enable them to move into additional markets, on the other.

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145 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 8:23 PM

There are few things in life as pleasurable as listening to young lawyers and lawyers to be squeal in pain. All that hard work in law school gets rewarded with the disgrace of hiding out in their parent’s house where they fire off resumes for jobs that do not exist. Was there not a time when you could move from big law to middle law with just the snap of the fingers? It was that sort of mobility that justified the brutality which was meted out to most big law associates who usually did not have a hope in hell of making partner (it is not their fault that they have the wrong parents). What do these people plan to do now? How long does it take for a HLS/YLS/SLS graduate to realize that their prospects in life have been permanently impaired after getting terminated?

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146 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 8:40 PM

145--Great hyperbole. I believe I saw your post in 2001, 1998 and 1990.

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147 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 9:08 PM

146 -- you may have seen my post in 1990, but you probably were too young to read.

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148 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 10:24 PM

Thompson Hine still shows up on the UMich OCI pages. What a tease.

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149 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 10:26 PM

Check that - Squire Sanders still is showing up on UMich OCI pages. Thompson Hine already dropped off.

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150 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 10:39 PM

145 - As a young lawyer, I feel only sympathy for you, insofar as you lead such an empty existence that "few things in [your] life [are] as pleasurable as listening to young lawyers and lawyers to be squeal in pain."


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151 Posted by guest | Permalink Monday, July 20, 2009 11:18 PM

It's my first time here and I'm apparently slow. What does TTT stand for?

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152 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 AM

Third Tier Toilet - the idea that allegedly any law school below the top 100 (tier 1 and 2) is not worth going to and all the grads from that school are morons.

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153 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:02 AM

Never mind. Figured it out.

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154 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:03 AM

Thanks 152.

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155 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:18 AM

Where the hell is Rogue Associate?

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156 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:00 AM

ATL virgin here. I linked into this blog from a related 'rant' concerning Latham's twentyten eleventh hour cancellation. You (1 - 156) are hilarious and justifiably concerned. You collectively made my day.

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157 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:30 AM

upenn warden is the sucks

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158 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:54 AM

150 – Your sympathy is appreciated but your angst is enjoyed. The reason I find it pleasurable to watch the growing reality of lawyers in their 20’s and 30’s suffering unemployment as a result of this protracted economic slump is due to the fact that almost all of you entered the legal profession because you believed it to be a safe way to make lots of money. Lucre is what you care about, regardless of consequence to others, and now you get to experience what it is like to be at the wrong end of a rusty, pointy shaft. Read the comments sprinkled throughout ATL, the $165,000 average starting salary for a big law associate is still something that you cretins love to brag about. Just for this idiotic act of hubris alone, you deserve to be impaled by your own arrogance.

In case you get the wrong idea, I actually like the wittiness of the lawyer crowd. You are much more articulate than the MBA/banker/consultant morons and some of you even demonstrate potential for erudition. But most of all I love just how screwed up you guys are on the inside. Was it mommy or daddy who insisted that you go to law school and rack up all that debt? Or did both of them push you to commit to student loan which you can no longer afford to repay?

Ciao! There will be other threads. See you there!

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159 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:27 AM

SSD is not cancelling summer program for next year entirely, and is also not cancelling all OCI. SSD still plans to participate in minority job fairs for summer hiring.

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160 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, July 21, 2009 3:07 PM

159: as an incoming 2L, I'd love to know where you got the info that SSD isn't entirely cancelling their summer program. My OCI bidding is due in 55 minutes, and SSD is still listed as an employer.

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161 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:51 PM

Man 2 days and I can't believe we haven't heard from RA!. Real Shame.

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162 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:51 PM

Wow, I can't believe its been 2 days and no comment from RA. Is he/she still out there???

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163 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:33 PM

So how many more Philadelphia firms are going to die? WolfBlock, Ballard and __________. Fill in the blank.

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164 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:25 AM

heh, I'd love it to be either White/Williams or Rawle/Henderson, both of which are pretty douchy firms.

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165 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:54 AM

160, an email was circulated to SSD attorneys explaining that it was cancelling OCI, but not its summer program. The intent is still to have a program next year, but how many and how it will find those summers is yet to be determined, with the exception that SSD will honor its commitments to participate in minority job fairs, or "fares", as the email said.

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