Bar Exam Open Thread: So How Did Day One Go?
Tomorrow we’ll discover what our God in heaven has in store,
One more dawn,
One more day,
One day more! [FN1]
All day, I’ve been asking my hippocampus to produce one clear memory about what I did between day one and day two of the bar exam. All I came up with was the momentary feeling of depression that overtook me when I found out I passed that November. I remember that passing meant that I had to go back to whatever donkey, doc review work I was doing.
In any event, I have nothing helpful to say about what you should do between the day one and day two of the bar exam. Maybe a glass of wine and a musical about a failed French revolution? Maybe some commenters can share some helpful hints?
The most positive thing is that this entire bar experience is almost done. For most of you, tomorrow will be the last time you have to worry about this stuff. And maybe one day you too will have no earthly idea about what you did in between the days of the bar exam.
WARNING: Please do NOT discuss actual questions or topics from today’s bar exam in this thread. We will delete your comment and ban you from commenting if we see it, and we will NOT FIGHT anybody who subpoenas us to obtain your IP address.
You can talk about whether you found the exam easy or hard or somewhere in between. But please, nothing about the substance of the exams today. Thank you.
[FN1] Unless, say, you’re taking the bar in a state with a three-day exam, or in two different states. In which case, enjoy the ordeal.
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FIRST! This means I'm going to PASS!
SECOND! DAMNIT DIDNT BOOK IT.
THIRD - that means i failed!
Rough. I hope tomorrow is better or that today was better than I think it was
Fourth, it means I'M STILL UNEMPLOYED.
I rocked it. All my studying paid off. Thank you Bar/Bri.
Seventh, it means I'M STILL UNEMPLOYED.
That was rough. But tomorrow will be better I think.
Good luck to everyone!
ny = horrible
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Eh. Not great. But I think I did good enough. And that is good enough for me.
Hopefully many of you will fail.
There are already too many lawyers in America.
Holy crap, talk about night and day. First half of NY was straightforward and relatively easy. 2nd half essays were insane. They took forever.
Exam was fair
Okay. Probably passed. But I don't care, 'cause I'm going to Aruba on Friday.
Also, who the FUCK are all the people who huddle in groups outside the bar exam location and relive the exam bit by nauseating bit?
How in the hell is group panic fun?
Seriously. Go home and have a beer. Come out swinging tomorrow.
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no joke. after the first essays and the MC in NY, i felt like a freaking genius. I felt like a totally different (and retarded) person on the second half. WTF NY? Why you gotta be all bipolar on my ass like that?
Mystal failed the bar 9 times......9 TIMES!
Rooney
Remember to smoke a fatty and drink a 40 tonight. It will make you a genius tomorrow.
19 - No, he passed the first time around.
But this lady failed 13 times before finally passing:
http://abovethelaw.com/2007/07/the_bar_exam_if_at_first_you_d_1.php
-- HLS classmate of Elie's
17 - Please advise where you puked. Mystal would like to go pick through the left overs.
Is it me or was that more of a Creative Writing test as opposed to a legal one?
I haven't used such flowing prose since my Law & Literature paper.
girl next to me kept shaking the table when she wrote. oh and saw someone in front of me that took the bar last july. which means probably her 3rd time taking it. great.
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I think I got destroyed. The guy next to me finished 20 minutes early and I wanted to pound his head with my laptop. He then went back and added more BS sentences to his essays when I was trying to write the freakin heading for my MPT. I probably failed, AGAIN. Hopefully third time is a charm.
25 - I noticed. It was you!!
26 - AGAIN???
Mystal, don't you ever threaten me again. I will end you.
Biff Bifferson
24 - how do you know she took the bar last July?
24 - Was it Elizabeth Wurtzel?
well that sucked . . .our proctor was illiterate, serisouly couldn't read the instructions, I put my earplugs in to drown her out. . . then didn't bother to have the actual questions, had to go find someone who had them, that was a nice 15 minute delay. . . .Then making comments about how nervous she was, ORLY becasue the rest of us were super calm. . . best part didn't understand the directions she was reading to us . . . .GRRRRRRRRRRRRR morons
32 - Very funny comment (although sorry to hear about your misfortune).
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I was hoping the BOLE USB drive was a souvenir . . . but they took it back since they're cutting back on their largess, just like law firm swag.
25 for the win.
The practice questions from Barbri were much more difficult.
So, who's better? BarBri of Kaplan / PMBR?
37 - For multistate, Kaplan / PMBR.
For state-specific, BarBri.
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-33
A place I used to work had a poster right when you got off the elevator that said "The Day Gets Better When You Remeber 95% of the Population is Dumber Than You" That is how I did not kill her. The guy behind me who was SUPER UPTIGHT kept razzing her and pointing out the errors of her ways. . .I chuckled internally. . . .The other proctor had one foot in the grave and just sat there, but was smart enough to have the illiterate read and to only chime in with useful comments like don't let your cell phone ring(the ones where if you have it in the building you fail automatically) and it's really important to upload your exams. . . .Thanks PS let me point out to you grass is green sky is blue
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barbri = big let down after today
Anyone take the MD bar exam? How was it?
Anyone take the MD bar exam? How was it?
There were errors in my Kaplan bar review materials.
Very happy I spent so much time on NY practice.
The ultimate indignity in New York (at least the Manhattan location) is that we have to keep wearing the green paper admission wristbands all night so we have them on tomorrow. Some people are lucky enough to have thin wrists so they can slip them on and off without ripping them, but most people will have to sleep tonight and shower tomorrow wearing the bar exam bands.
California still has TWO MORE DAYS, so the little ditty at the top of this blog post doesn't apply.
Mystal, I'm gunna make you my he bitch man slut fuck whore. Yeah, its gunna be good. uh huh.
Mr. T
43:44: I got a MD-JD and am taking the bar and the med boards. No big deal. Law is such a joke.
hopefully i dont have to retake the bar but if i could do it over, after today, i'd say do pieper/pmbr 3 day fo ny/multi state... barbri sucked ass, either way i'd do a pmbr 3 day for multi state to all you rising 3Ls
I thought VA was pretty straight forward. Doesn't change the fact that I bombed it though.
Nothing says high roller like Virginia Beach in February.
30- friend of someone i know. she graduated last year and took barbri last summer so im assuming she took the bar last last july. could be wrong.
30- friend of someone i know. she graduated last year and took barbri last summer so im assuming she took the bar last last july. could be wrong.
50-
Don't be my lawyer or doctor if you can comprehend simple engRish
true fact:
moderate alcohol consumption improves test performance.
You can look it up. If you are not a teetotaler, and are wicked nervous, take a shot before you start and at lunch. It calms the nerves and lets the brain do the work.
You'll still be unemployed. At least you'll pass.
48 - Read [FN1].
Your overlooking of the footnote does not bode well for your bar exam performance.
I didn't realize the potential problems with random placement until I was sitting face to face with Talks-a-lot McDouchebag. STFU.
Anyone know how PE did?
52 - Virginia? What's a Virginia?
I thought then when you graduated law school you became a lawyer. Nobody told me about this "Bar Exam" and the fact that I have to take it. I thought it was a trendy place in SoHo.
NYU Grad, Class of 09', esq
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NY day 1 was suprisingly easy. I was a little weary that I chose to handwrite instead of type, but the handwriting room was empty with no line to get in during the morning. Amazing! And we get to be in the same room tomorrow, with the same rows of empty seats all over the place. Its almost relaxing.
62-
felt the EXACT same way! they tested on the most tiny random pieces of law. i can't believe half the stuff they asked. alot of it wasn't even covered in barbri! thank god i remembered some stuff from ny practice in law school
I loved the random people SPRINTING to the bathroom like their bladders would explode along with their legal career if they wasted another second:P
yeah, barbri made some rather poor predictions.
bar/bri = epic fail for IL bar. pretty much left you guessing on 2 of 3 IL essays.
Best day of my life was when I found out I failed the bar exam. It was like having my apartment blown up and having someone scar my hand with a chemical burn - liberation in the destruction. I didn't have to worry about my future anymore because I had no future. I have never felt that free before or since then. It truly was a beautiful moment in my life that I feel privileged to have had the opportunity to experience.
And trust me, some of you who think you have this thing locked up have "done everything you're supposed to" to pass WILL fail.
Good luck test takers. I hope you've found this inspirational.
-171 LSAT, law journal, upper middle of my class at a T20 school, and studied. And failed. And not the least bit ashamed.
63 - Wow, you're hard core, man. Hand writing? That's so.... last century.
Yes 47, because if you show up tomorrow and display a broken wristband, they won't let you in the building.
Even if you pass, you fail.
-Broken Wristband
i like that my neighbor and i have an unspoken system of flipping pages at the same time.
the ny essays were surprisingly not a deal. totally overstudied it. tomorrow, however, i'm expecting to be a whole 'notha story.....
dude, i need some advice on what to do between day 1 and day 2. come on w/ it....
Yes 47, because if you show up tomorrow and display a broken wristband, they won't let you in the building.
Even if you pass, you fail.
-Broken Wristband
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So much for the most tested topics. Of course, I could have just missed them.
68 - And what are you doing to feed yourself nowadays?
I was expecting NY to be much more difficult..then again, maybe I failed. =P I did not think it was that bad though - felt most the stuff BARBRI said would be on the NY exam was. No surprises.
73 - Are you an idiot? Can't you read?
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Day one oNe of the Maryland bar was cake. I took NY and VA (and passed both) so I have authority to compare. By this time tomorrow I'll be 3-0, God willing.
Good luck to everyone tomorrow.
75 - I'm an attorney. I took the stupid thing again and passed easily. Candidly, I probably could have studied harder. -68
Whoever is saying that Barbri didn't teach the stuff on the essays is retarded...it was all in the lectures (not just the study materials, the lectures), and their predictions, while not dead on for all subjects, were pretty amazing if you ask me, especially Erica Fine's.
69 - wouldn't load windows on my mac if you paid me $1,000 dollars.
-63
Maryland Exam was easy in the morning, rough in the PM. There was construction or something similar going on directly on top of the roof of the hall.
Concur w/ 67 re Ill. I don't think it's a good sign when I rely on background knowledge from law school rather than the $3k review class I just slaved away at. Even the confidence I placed in Kaufman didn't help that much when I they asked about his topics.
For the NY Barbri takers: Remember how they told you that a 5/10 raw would pass you (actually a 4.5, rounded to five). Does anyone know what the 5/10 is scaled to (roughly)?
Took the IL bar and I have to agree that Barbri sucked for the Illinois part. Actually, it sucked for he whole exam. I felt as if my answers were mostly educated b.s.
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Morning was a breeze in NY. Very straight forward if you knew the law.
But afternoon questions? Convoluted, obtuse, and confusing (except the MPT, which was merely an obnoxious waste of time).
77, what about 61. And it was a joke.
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Was the bar today??? I picked a bad week to start smoking dope!
I found it (unnervingly) easy. Missed a subpart of a question and fudged a standard, but otherwise it seemed straightforward. A HELL of a lot easier than BarBri's essay questions, which made me want to kill myself.
So now, basically, I sit here and wonder if I failed because I missed points. Also, I now have no motivation to study for the MBE, which is unfortunate since I did about 1 1/2 sets of practice questions.
BTW, they are such assholes for not having a clock in the room. WTF?
People at my bar exam failed all the time. It was no big deal.
moderator....62 gives 2 topics, why is that one still up?!
I agree with everyone else on Illinois. Seriously, wtf, Barbri - this is your fucking job.
That having been said, it's good to know I was not the only one who flubbed the better part of two questions and made some little errors along the way.
@10 -- more likely is that f*ed it up, or you all f*ed it a bit. Don't think like that. And for G-d's sake, don't debrief like that ever again. And be careful getting home. I almost climbed onto the back of an auto rack truck coming back from Baltimore after my bar exam a decade ago.
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80 = Erica Fine herself trolling on ATL as a bar taker.
How about Erica Fine saying SPECIFICALLY, don't worry about X b/c "the state legislature doesn't even understand it so surely you all don't have to" and then X shows up on the exam.
If you want to talk about specific questions and answers, go to AutoAdmit:
http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1052183&mc=142&forum_id=2&PHPSESSID=d514758191ead7a4abfe6b26608c624e
I'm with 61 - one of those morning essays was on crazy esoteric stuff. And even if it was in barbri's materials, you can't know it all, and I didn't. But most of the rest was not terrible, except for the time pressure.
John John failed the NY bar at least twice. Then he published a magazine that failed. Then he killed himself flying VFR into IMC. But his dad hit MM, so it's all good.
This morning I was relieved and wanted to hug that crazy old Lenny Lakin. This afternoon... Hope I managed to throw enough BSing into IRAC form ...
here is one of the questions from the texas bar exam essay:
if an AboveTheModerator can fellate 3 first year biglaw associates, then how long will it take said moderator to be accepted into the elite echelons of the legal profession?
Answer: Never. Biglaw uses everyone, even toady Above The Law moderators.
I have to say, the New York mini-review of BarBri, which was entirely: "this is the most common stuff. This is the stuff that they will likely hit this year" was completely off. Not one of the things they said to pay special attention to appeared on the exam.
For those people who ONLY studied the barbri TOP subjects are idiots. and you still probably passed..ugggh
Leonard Lakin is a god.
Content-wise not too bad.
But the second half of the day was much harder. Essay 5 was out of control....way too many big issues.
98 - Thanks for the link.
(But I am not sure I do want to talk about specific questions and answers. Part of me just wants to put it all behind me!)
Who took Texas?
Another IL taker - no clue on most of the IEE questions thanks to Bar/Bri. Oh well, someone has to pass.
How about Erica Fine saying SPECIFICALLY, don't worry about X b/c "the state legislature doesn't even understand it so surely you all don't have to" and then X shows up on the exam.
- Exactly...is that negligent misrepresentation?
MysTTTal wrote essay #5. I could tell by all of the typos and complete lack of congruity.
Ditto on the IL bar comments. Seriously Barbri? You fucked up big time. And the MEE essay questions were no less ridiculous--a motion for acquittal?? What?!
took barbri for illinois. surprised at how inaccurately they predicted the distribution of questions. was working on one-paragraph answers while typers on both side of me were working on answers twice as long :(
I can confirm that IL Bar/bri completely missed 2 of 3 IL essays and frankly, most of the exam. Awesome.
VA bar, Roanoke, Virginia, July 28, 2009-
Doesn't matter if we're not allowed to discuss content / topics, because I couldn't even tell you what half the morning exams on the VA bar were testing. Unfortunately, VA weights MBE only 40%, and I don't think I can come back. Looks like I'm gonna have a target painted on my back at my firm come October.
Speaking of the bar exam - Did anyone know that the Cold Cut Combo at Subway is made of turkey? WTF?!
How is bologna, salami, and ham made of turkey!
It's like the Peerless all over again. I thought I was contracting for an Article 2 Sale of Pork, but they thought I was asking for giblets and nitrates.
Can I request further assurances about the Roast "Beef" I ordered?
Love,
Porktastic
haha, VA bar was brutal.
116th? I'm barely literate.
NY this morning, felt great. NY this afternoon, spent way too much on both essays. Although the PT was easy, didn't get to finish because I had spent too much time on the essays, so lost easy points there. Damn
Dude, all you people chatting about essay 5 have confirmed that the commentors on this site are liars and jerks. Second half of NY was much easier. Morning, I sat and stared at all three essays and pretty much said, "WTF" And. . . I'm a moron and all. . . but every single person who took the bar where I did said the same thing. Ridiculous.
116- hilarious
I also agree that BarBri was an epic fail for the IL bar -- BOTH parts. I spent a lot of time just completely making stuff up. Glad to know I wasn't the only one.
IL here. i feel terrible.
116 - is this true? my world just ended.
Commenting about the bar on ATL is no way to spend the night in between the two exam days. Go think about something else.
IT WAS LIKE SHOVING A GARDEN HOSE UP MY NOSE TO DRINK
A lot of sharp looking people in Roanoke today.
Thought it was really straightforward, except for whatever I pulled out of my ass for Essay 8.
On second thought, I may be blissfully ignorant / in denial...
D minus, folks. All you need is a D minus. Have a drink and get some rest.
NY WAS BRUTAL!!! BRUTAL!!! all you people saying otherwise are a confirmation that the commentors on this thread are idiots.
lol 116
i wanted to throw my barbri books against the wall. i know we only need 3's out 5's to pass (illinois), but dear lord, right now i'm just praying i got even that on each of my essays.
and of course now i feel even worse about all the prepping i've been doing for the mbe tomorrow.
I took MD. It didn't seem too bad. PM was definitely harder than AM, but neither seemed too bad.
Just curious... why can't we discuss specific questions?
"Just curious... why can't we discuss specific questions?"
Read this (linked to in the post):
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1176973462175
Mystal's hands are so fat that he needed special "fat" pencils to take the bar. They were the size of a 3D battery mag lite. I know this because I sat behind him. (He also required two chairs.)
Alas, I waited and waited for almost 2 hours and did not see any smart person who aborted the bar exam for an afternoon at Rick's Cabaret. I guess most of you folks are gluttons for punishment.
This is for the miscreant who kept asking patrons if they were attorneys (in an effort to identify me): exercise some class and tact. What do you think a man of my caliber wears? My patek philippe was a dead give away. Also, keep your saliva in your mouth. You were creepy and scared Roxy off stage.
I took NY today and definitely agree that it was insanely easy, to the point that I'm getting nervous. But I feel like I definitely spotted the issues, knew what they were going for and had plenty to write. The MC was INSANELY easy. I finished the morning with 30 minutes leftover and went back and perfected answers. The afternoon I spent the full time, it definitely was more time consuming but if you studied it was pretty straight forward. I typically am one of the first to finish an exam so the fact that I took all the time for the PM makes me think other people MUST have struggled.
I was extremely impressed with BarBri for the NY bar. If you did what they told you to do, you were prepared for the exam. In particular, every issue was covered in either the NY Distinctions, the sample NYT essay questions, or the points emphasized by lecturers. Thanks, BarBri!
(I swear I'm not a BarBri rep or anything.)
NY morning was easy. I finished with about 45 minutes left. I wasted 5 min rocking the table to bother the guy sitting next to me and then I left and yanked one out to a picture of Kash.
Exxcept, 137, the two things that a certain Barbri professor told you that you certainly did not need to know. Thank god I had taken that class in law school and was able to spot those issues
Finished north carolina--not too bad. There were a few random issues and a few issues where they crammed too much into one question, but other than that I feel better than I thought I would.
Buffalo Convention Center was not terrible, but some a-hole who was hand-writing in the laptop room wrote after time and a proctor had to tell them to stop. Come on idiot, if you're going to do that now... you should never become a lawyer, EVER.
Barbri did suck for Illinois. About 5% of my room left irrationally early...too early to have possibly passed. Those essay were rough
I'll join the choir, Barbri for IL = epic fail. I was writing new law for large portions of that exam. Even on the topics they predicted several asked questions that were not covered in the lectures.
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Comments re: Illinois seem dead on. Thank God I took Ill. Civ. Pro my last semester in law school.
Afternoon was marginally better, but, yeah, I was mostly just putting down the law I knew and making stuff up.
128 - pot calling the kettle black. NY was awesomely easy! Talked to many people and they all found it easy...and we're not nerds. Feel bad for the IL takers based on the comments above.
I hope you all fail. Too many lawyers. Especially in California.
143 = virgin
I took MD today. The questions seemed pretty straight-forward. AM was a bit easier than PM. I didn't feel caught off-guard at any point, although I'm sure two of my essays were mediocre.
WOSSUP prof. Franceze?!?!
135 - kill yourself. no one wants to hear you brag. just because you didn't get enough love from your mom doesn't entitle you to try to make other people feel inferior.
68 - scariest fucking comment ever.
- ny bar, no clue if i did well or shitty, fingers crossed.
Dear Moderator:
Former 143 Commenter here. (Gauss' Law comment). Try googling Gauss' Law. It's a physics concept, you moron. Apparently, you failed science in HS.
Feel free to report my IP address to the Board of Law Examiners.
You have to take the Bar in Texas to practice law?
Re: NY
Anyone saying the afternoon was easy in comparison to the morning is a liar. I totally understand someone saying the entire thing was easy- I just didnt know the law well enough, I guess- but the afternoon was a mess. Disorganized convoluted questions and just not enough time to get to everything. I did not finish my MPT at all.
morning however- very straightforward. I applied the law incorrectly here and there but overall... it felt good. just bummed because i was banking on the MPT to balance out the stupidity of the NY Practice questions.
149: There are 2 P's in WOSSUPP.
149 lost 1/3 of a point
The NY afternoon essays were not doable in 45 minutes. I spend 55 on both and still finished that MPT in time. However, its unclear if I used any sort of grammar, spelling, or law in my MPT answer.
A lot of you will fail, but keep in mind it isn't your fault. It is the fault of the shitty law schools you attended.
Between day 1 and day 2, I went to a restaurant with other friends taking the bar. We talked all about the test for about 2 hours. We all went back to our hotels. I got a 6 pack of bud light and watched a baseball game. I woke up four days later in a different motel chained to the bathroom - where I remain to this day.
149 FAILS
I will join the IEE chorus. Holy cow, I think I probably got 2 on 2 of them and 1 on the other one.
CA performance test A sucked the big one.
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I wish all of you bar exam takers the best of luck. There are alot of idiot lawyers out there. If they can pass, so can you.
A little tip from an old lawyer. Relax. Try this yoga mantra. Look in the mirror. Now say "Have you been injured in an auto accident, If so, call me" Repeat until you fall asleep.
Some encouragement for tommorow's Connecticut Bar hopefuls:
http://thenutmeglawyer.blogspot.com/2009/07/shall-i-compare-thee-to-summers-day.html
http://aconnecticutlawblog.com/?p=1146
Re: the Kepler's Law question on the VA Bar Exam. The key was that the square of the orbital period of a planet is directly proportional to the cube of the semi-major axis of its orbit. If you treated the orbit as circular instead of elliptical, you would have missed it.
The trick to the NY bar is to end every essay question with ".....and datz why he had to whack da guy"
What was the answer to question #2?
I think 156 is right on. The NY essays were really quite involved and long in the afternoon. That time came out of the MPT.
If you handled NY, the Connecticut bar will be a piece of cake.
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Question 2 answer: yes
#171 I thought the answer was Ben Franklin. Crap!
162 needs to be moderated and banned!
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Illinois clearly doesn't want to admit anybody to the bar this year, what kind of questions were that?
132 -- Not sure how that relates to MD essays. They give us the essay questions when we leave. They didn't say anything about them (other than that we could keep them). The state gives away old exams, old extracts, and sample answers via there website. Since the BLE is an instrumentality of the state, I'm not sure about their ability to hold a copyright on the questions, but none seems to be claimed anywhere on the website or on the test questions (though I don't have them right in front of me at the moment).
Guess what, guys. MPT is 10% of your total score. 5 essays = 40%, so each one is only 8%. If you put off or skipped MPT, you missed out on easy points with greater weight than a single essay.
I wrote down some crap for essay #5 (I think I got most of the points covered), and then moved on to MPT. Luckily, had some time to go back and fill in some more b.s. in the last 15-20 mins
Overall, I thought NY would be harder, but the essays in the PM were lengthier and more involved, so they were a bit tougher. I was mostly worried about the NY crap, and was hoping not to bomb it.. I don't think I destroyed the exam, by any means, but feel like I AT LEAST got slightly more than half of the points. Looking forward to knocking out the MBE tomorrow and moving on with my life!
The correct answer turned on the well-established principle of law that the Good Samaritan Statute provided for a cause of action. What, the rest of you didn't remember that from Seinfeld?
Guess what, guys. MPT is 10% of your total score. 5 essays = 40%, so each one is only 8%. If you put off or skipped MPT, you missed out on easy points with greater weight than a single essay.
I wrote down some crap for essay #5 (I think I got most of the points covered), and then moved on to MPT. Luckily, had some time to go back and fill in some more b.s. in the last 15-20 mins
Overall, I thought NY would be harder, but the essays in the PM were lengthier and more involved, so they were a bit tougher. I was mostly worried about the NY crap, and was hoping not to bomb it.. I don't think I destroyed the exam, by any means, but feel like I AT LEAST got slightly more than half of the points. Looking forward to knocking out the MBE tomorrow and moving on with my life!
IEE had off the wall questions, but nobody knows the answers to them.
The MEE worries me more.
I feel like a furloughed prisoner wearing the stupid bracelet. Can we at least get a drink special with this thing on?
Please moderate 164. Kepler was a heretic.
---Pope Urban VIII
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When I took the bar last year, the answer to question 2 was false.
Don't ban me, I'm fun at parties!
Me three about the MD exam. I thought AM was more difficult than PM though. I thought PM was all straightforward and a couple of AM Q's were confusing. But, overall, I can't imagine anyone who studied complaining that exam was too difficult.
amen 67
I got one thing to say,
What was up with the line for the women's bathroom at Javits. Fucking ridiculous!!!
I agree with the people who thought NY am was brutal. . . if you didnt either you know a ton of law or missed a ton of shit. Either way. I agree, brutal.
Ditto 183. I don't even know if I'm going to show up tomorrow.
It's just unfortunate that some of the Barbri lecturers say "MY OUTLINE IS ALL YOU SHOULD BE STUDYING" when in reality it just isn't true. Barbri is able to cover their ass because most of the information tested is in the CMR or big book.
Granted, I made sure to study the NY Distinctions, but focused primarily on the lecturer's outlines. The lecturers for some of subjects need to realize their "my outline is all you need" approach is not a good one, because sometimes it is necesssary to incorporate some of the material in the CMR that they did not cover.
@187 - I think you know why. An inordinate amount of chicks from Boston taking the NY exam.
green wristband = badge of slavery
I didn't finish the MPT. I should've stopped earlier on essay 5, but I didin't. The MPT was so easy, and I had to stop halfway through. Balls.
WTF BARBRI IL .. . . That was absolute horseshit. . . .I now know I can be a Supreme Court Judge since I am wonderful at making new law out of a can of Crisco and monkey balls. . . .Do I get my money back becasue you told me hey ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY&Z were going to be on there and they weren't . . . .Assclowns. . . . !@#$%^&*()(**&&^%#!#$%^&*%$ . . . .That's so I don't get moderated. . . .I am pissed. . . They better not have fucked up the MBE
New York - Javits Center, Laptop Room 1B. The PA system was loud enough to shatter my ear drums. Nobody could possibly concentrate through the 15 minute warnings.
173 = Epic Fail!
Look on the bright side, Illinois people -- BarBri fucks up their Illinois predictions every year. They're notorious for doing that. And yet Illinois has one of the highest pass rates in the country. So odds are you'll do fine.
IL = complete nightmare, and truly epic bar/bri fail.
IEE was just completely wacky. Didn't see much of that coming at ALL.
MEE was ??? I mean, a few of the questions were fine. But for several I was just winging it completely, and I studied my tits off (lectures plus mini-review). How could so much of what I knew not even be touched on in the slightest?! I don't think I got the chance to bust out even ONE acronym! WTF!!!!
Effin' CA examiners.
In Ontario Exhibit hall, they started us off one hour and fifteen minutes behind schedule. Could they have not had their ish together!! They only gave us twenty minutes for a break before we started again for the PT and their response: "deal with it" per the bald bar examiner with the ponytail.
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Oh I forgot this gem of wisdom . . . .Illiterate goes you have 15 minutes left, we pointed in fact no we didn't the exam was over . . . .But of course the bathroom regulations were strictly enforced
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195: I was wearing earplugs and I still jumped in my seat when they called time. That loudspeaker will haunt my dreams tonight...
GA: remarkably easy....
This sucks as I was top 10% at at T1 school and still unemployed as with most of the rest of my class. Looks like there will be a lot of competition out there for this 2009 class in our state. Everybody I saw came out smiling. It was a cakewalk.
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195: I CAN'T HEAR YOU CAN YOU TYPE LOUDER PLEASE?
Yea, 1B definitely hurt, shocked the hell out of everyone. Luckily in the afternoon I was expecting it.
Seriously, q's 4 and 5 took forever, had to really rush the afternoon to get it all finished and I was done 20-25 minutes early in the morning.
Oh and BTW Promissory Estopple was worked into an answer. . . does that make me a troll? . . . .Will the examnier appreciate the limb I went out on? RES 2nd 90 for 1000 Alex
Lakin's BarBri NY mini-review rocked it out. Everything he said in those ungodly 9 hours was somehow incorporated into today's essays. BarBri should give him a bonus. I salute you, Leonard l=Lakin!!
Lakin's BarBri NY mini-review rocked it out. Everything he said in those ungodly 9 hours was somehow incorporated into today's essays. BarBri should give him a bonus. I salute you, Leonard Lakin!!
I COVER LEONARD LAKIN IN GLORY!
well NY sucked to everyone I talked to . . . figures the mutants on here were the mutants who did every fucking essay of the 200 we were assigned. . . now I remember why I hate this website. Full of mutants.
And the dork who said, "all my friends thought it was easy, and we aren't nerds" . . . yes, yes you are.
IL exam = bar examiners sat through BarBri and took every topic they say not to study or worry about and all the aspects not covered in class and made that into an exam.
Waste of money and even more of a reason to fire Spak.
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just remember- if you think something was hard, and everyone else did too... youre gonna be fine.
if you messed up a question that everyone else easily nailed- well, that sucks for you. but it seems like #5 was a killer- and if thats so, it will be reflected in the CURVE. 10% of you will fail. the rest wont. its that simple. calmdown.
A final word of encouragement for bar exam test takers that are half-way or one third through the exam: Remember, you are expected to pass. If you pass, it is not a major accomplishment as any monkey can pass the bar exam. However, if you fail, your career and an aborted fetus will have something in common. I will be at Rick's Cabaret tomorrow from 1:30 to 3PM, enjoying the $10 lunch specials with some Johnny Walker Blue label. I will try to say a prayer for you poor test taking souls as heavenly bodies parade in front of me for my very own viewing pleasure.
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PE which exam did you take today?
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213, I agree on Lakin, but I guess it depends which mini-review you attended.
I was looking forward to him reviewing wills, but he only had an hour left and covered wills and domestic relations for half an hour each. He barely covered wills, which is ALWAYS a major part of the exam. Definitely a waste of time.
it's people like 91 that make lawyers so annoying to be around.
I would do weird shit to Paula F. Like really weird shit.
211--or we just did a few of the released exams in the one week before the bar... either way. But if it helps you, think that we all worked 12 hours a day for the last 3 months
Ok this is a true story. So I'm taking the bar in a flyover state and I'm riding the elevator down to head to the garage to head to the test site. the elevator is packed but most people get off at the lobby.
Two other people and myself continue on more floor down to the garage. Dude in pink shirt gets out first and takes 2 steps and passes out and takes a digger right into the concrete floor. Laptop and plastic baggy go flying everywhere. Other dude and myself help him up when he comes to and gather his shit up for him. He takes 2 more steps and BAM!! another digger face first into the concrete.
Other guy apparently knows him and takes off for help. So there I am in an underground parking lot wondering if this guy is going to die in front of me and if I'm going to have time to get coffee before the exam starts.
Other dude and friend finally arrive and I take off for coffee. Get to the test site and who do I see with bloody face and band aids? Pink shirt guy. Well I guess that's one way to start the day.
Thoughts on VA short answers???
Although I certainly do not support abusive comments, the threat to ban an IP address, or have it subject to a subpoena, is easy to work around.
Every lawyer should know about the truely anonymous browsing tool named "TOR". The EFF ( a great group) has a link to this open source software developed for naval intellicence. Of course, you need to use it before the subpoena is drafted, and it really slows down your browsing.
Thoughts on VA short answers???
IL applicant.
99% LSAT.
Was clueless 2 of the 3 IEE questions.
Knew a little over 75% of the necessary law on the MEE.
WTF, BarBri? If I need to read Illinois statutes because you aren't going to summarize them for me, then fucking say so. Don't tell me I know everything I need to know. Assholes.
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Moderators = fail.
Deletes reference to an imaginary physic question on the Texas bar, but leaves 200/216 discussing a NY Trust Question (#5).
Dear moderators, I realize most of you are not lawyers or even law students, but most state bar exams (except maybe Ohidaho) cover legal issues, not science/engineering questions.
I just made the mistake of looking over the outlines for the essays today. I was feeling pretty good before but now I think I will go hurl . . .
In MN, they're so paranoid about cheating that they follow you into the bathroom. Like I have outlines written on my cock...
232=small wing ding
I showed the MN proctor my cock when he followed me in.
Unzipped
Turned around
Started jumping up and down
While shaking my cock and giving myself a reach around
CA peeps - did most of you have time to run spell check? I wish i had, but I didn't, and now i'm all paranoid about how many spelling errors I made. ugh.
WTF you got spell check? That's crap
The lucky ones are the ones who fail.
--BigLaw Midlevel
235 = Elie.
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as the son of a Latham partner, i can fail with impunity
Hey VA bartakers! PopCollar Fratdouchburger III here.
I took a day off from my internship in DC, swung through Charlotteville to get wasted with some of my bros finishing up summer classes (whaddup offcampus G-Phis!), and headed over to Roanoke to laugh at all your sorry asses panicking around the convention center in suits and skirts in 90-degree heat. I have some general comments before I head up to wine country for my sis's engagement winery tour:
Bitch in the 3-inch heels that scream "constructive consent": where are you partying Wednesday night?
80-year-old dude with cane: yeah, it's cool when just sitting for the VA bar suddenly becomes your life goal in October
Hott-E in green pantsuit: Where are you partying Wednesday night?
Dude in suspenders: die in a fire
Dude with purple dress shirt: you're not black
Black dude: have you ever seen so many white people?
Bitch who kept screaming (I heard you from the parking lot) about how great GMU's free lunch for GMU alumns is: I believe you. It looks like you ate four of them.
Dude in the white suit jacket - go play with dude in suspenders.
Dude in the sneakers: Bar instruction letter >> BarBri urban legend
4-foot, 260-pound she-whale in all black pantsuit: please don't die.
Dude with mowhawk and stretched earlobes: the economy is not better here than NYC. go back.
Dude with silver gavel cufflinks: classy.
Fox who changed her blouse in black Prius thinking no-one was looking: thank you.
Douchebag in pink dress shirt and pink tie: please let teh gheys have something of their own.
Fat white dude with neck dunlopping suit collar discussing essays in parking lot: oh, wait, there's like 200 people fitting this description.
The arab guy: have you ever seen so many white people?
Lady bawling her eyes out by fountain: tomorrow is another day.
PCF owt. Holla to FratStut!
mac sucks! fucking machine failed halfway through, who the fuck are these softtest morons. fuck. fuck.
241
Any more details about the girl in the Prius? Can do a layover on my bar trip if she's worth it!
ummm.... Ellie what is the point of having a bar exam open thread if we CANT DISCUSS THE SUBSTANCE OF THE QUESTIONS?? what an epic fail
Everyone... deep breath! Most will pass, some won't. Just remember that you can take it in February and no one in the field cares if it took you two or three times to pass. It just does not matter as much as it seems to matter right when you graduate. Eat, watch some TV and relax. :)
GA was not as bad as I thought it would be (or maybe it was because I just didn't know anything...), but what really annoyed me was when the GA Supreme Court folks walked in with the Board of Bar Examiners. Yeah, do well. Right. Thanks for continuing to inflict this unrealistic, archaic and totally ineffective method of hazing on us. I look forward to the MBE- if only so it'll be over all the sooner.
CA bar exam wasn't too bad, actually. Barbri hit most of the shit except for part of one essay. Meh. Two days left.
When men are most sure and arrogant they are commonly most mistaken
And NY can post retard. See the footnote to the post. If you're taking the bar in two different states, etc. What the hell is the point of keeping it secret? Not like you can take a makeup tommorow and NY releases questions within a few months anyways.
I hate when people tell me "deep breath." They are usually the ones freaking out when things really get busy, but when they aren't the ones involved in whatever is going on, they feel the need to sit on the sidelines and act like they are Joe Montana.
248- The footnote has to do with the quote and not the warning.. Good job calling someone a retard.
What about the PA bar? There were 4-6 parts to every single question which meant you only had 6-8 minutes per legal theory! So difficult! Had also great fun sitting next to a frazzled penn law student today.
I was feeling good about the morning until I read about how anal and picky the law was and all the crap I missed. The afternoon was nuts. I was running way short on time, especially on #5. It took a 15 minute chunk off the MPT, which I rushed like crazy.
And here's the best part, I got to my seat at 1:43 due to the 15 minute wait to take a piss (and that was the MEN'S room), and as I'm halfway through essay 4 asking myself what the hell is going on, the proctor makes me fill out that STUPID handwriting crap. So as everyone's typing away, I'm here telling the examiners, in a lengthy essay, that I don't have an iPod.
Of course, in the morning, this didn't happen, when I had like 20 minutes to spare.
lots of hot chicks in Buffalo today
(my God I need this to be over)
I think the author hit the wrong note. The more appropriate version is the Forbidden Broadway version of Le Miz....
At the end of the play, we're another year older...
I kinda felt like that today. February here I come.
what a great day to be muslim
what a great day to be muslim
what a great day to be muslim
183, you claim that you knew all the NY distinctions for the multistate subjects. However, nearly every topic you listed was prominently covered in the NY distinctions for the multistate subjects.
Also, you aren't supposed to discuss the topics and issues.
Brace for tomorrow--
you will be very tired-
CA 2nd day is ez
I was going to say that no one should worry, as if Elie could pass the bar, anyone can. But I just searched the NY bar attorney directory and there is no mystal, e on file. https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/attorney/AttorneySearch
That means he never passed, as had he passed and then went to inactive status there would be a record, as there is for Lat, D (even though lat is about to be delinquent if he doesn't register in the next few months)
So if you don't show up to the second day, do they still grade your exam and count you in the passage rate stats?
Anybody get the answer to #4?
I am so glad that I waived into New York from a Commonwealth jurisdiction and avoided this mind-numbing jurisdiction. Good luck to all tomorrow - then get drunk, get laid and get over it.
IL board of bar examiners failed, garbage in garbage out. have fun, it will be like grading high school exams.
Took the exam in Illinois. It was so shitty that I quit at lunch time. Oh well.
Did anyone else tag that blond haired chick hanging out by the bathrooms on the 5th floor at northwestern? i had a go about 33 minutes into the MPT. Hindsight tells me might have been a dude, is why I ask.
Seriously, if you get drunk tonight and hook up with an attractive girl/guy, just run off with 'em and don't look back. There's nothing good for you on the other side of that exam. Nothing.
--BigLaw Midlevel
I'm glad to see many IL takers felt the same way. There was no indication in my room that anyone else felt completely blindsided like I was. Half of the exam was spent throwing (educated) stuff up against the wall and hoping it would stick.
95% of Barbri's predictions were huge failures and the ones that came true were so patently obvious that I didn't need to pay $3000 to know it would be on the exam.
That 90% pass rate for first timers is about to plummet.
265: That's the spirit!!!
--267
Still rubbing my knob in cali.
Rubbin my knob in cali.
thank you #97! erica fine definitely specifically said "read this once, then cross it out" and of course that was on the exam
partners at quinn go back to whatever donkey, doc review work they were doing all the time. it is no big deal.
quinn stud
Dear VA Bar examinees:
Dress for all applicants MUST conform to the standards suitable for a lawyer appearing in a court of record in Virginia, i.e., a suit or jacket and tie for males, and a suitable dress or suit (pantsuits are acceptable) for females.
Is that dress code at all flexible considering that the only time most of you will be appearing in a court of record in Virginia will be as defendant (Sallie Mae v. You, In re pauperis)?
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Continuing on the IL theme -- did anybody notice that there were typos on the IEE questions? Minor -- like, leaving out the 't' in "the," and there were two others. Not substantive, but still, you would think someone would print out these questions and proofread them before giving them to thousands of bar students.
262: The answer was to take an element of the surface area, dA, sum it over the entire surface which naturally leads to an integral. Integrate, and multiply it by the charge enclosed by the closed surface. See Gauss' Law.
Elie,
Are you so stupid that you can't distinguish between people posting dozens of full MBE questions, like in the EarthLink incident, and people making comments about portions of essay questions from today?
I've never been one of your haters before, but as a former print journalist I have to say this is really, really weak. Grow a pair and a brain.
164 and 182 were the best comments I've read in a LONG TIME.
275-- yeah, I caught a few. Between that and the fact that the first question was on the same page as the instructions, the whole thing seemed pretty low-rent.
275
I noticed the typos...especially on the IEE question that indicated that the doctor had been practicing since 1087.
everyone should go to sleep.
One more for Illinois-- I think most of us passed (like always), but wow. The Family Law question was ridiculous. The CivPro was all gimmes, though, that was nice.
more IL gossip pls! thx!
PE is rocking it on the Wisconsin bar!! He's also on AMC right now (9:40 p.m. CDT).
The criticism of Erica Fine is unwarranted. She tipped off the Summer 2008 class to a fact pattern that showed up and tipped off the summer 2009 class to a major topic that was long overdue to be tested which was. Meanwhile, Freer and Lakin drew mostly blanks on their "due to be tested" or "likely to be tested" predictions as far as I could tell...
Shout-out to Prof. Kaufman as well. He definitely "cloaked" me with the appearance of authority that I knew what I was talking about right off the bat.
I agree, i spit beer on my computer reading 164
although 266 was pretty fucking hilarious too
Illinois was absolutely insane! I cant believe how off target barbri was on the MBE essays...lets hope that Illinois is still interested in admitting attorneys to the bar this year...and that tomorrow's MBE will be somewhat close to the practice questions we've been given.
California was weird. On the first two questions, I made up the law because there were small ticky tack, vaguely familiar issues that weren't covered by BarBri. The last question was straightfoward, but super long--5 parts!?! I ran out of time and only outlined the last two issues. But the performance essay was aight.
"I just want to tell you all good luck, we're all counting on you."
Echoing 98, if you want to talk about the substance of questions and answers, don't bitch here in the comments.
Just surf over to AutoAdmit:
http://autoadmit.com/
1. If you are taking the bar exam and then posting on here, you are probably going to fail simply from freezing up/stress. Go chill the fuck out somewhere.
2. I took the NY bar last year, only studied from the outlines, had no fucking clue what any of the NY multiple choice were, spent about 15 minutes on each essay, including one liners like "the issue is who gets the money".
I passed. now, chill the fuck out, sign off the net, and go do something else.
That being said, some of you here are clearly too stupid to pass. Consider other options.
So let me get this straight, the lazy fucks at NCBE don't want questions disclosed, so that they can recycle them? What a lazy bunch of motherfuckers!
292 - They "recycle" the questions to use them as control questions. It's not due to laziness, but standardization across tests.
277 - Maybe you were a good journalist, but you are not a good lawyer.
The line between posting a question fragment, and a whole question, and 40+ questions, is a slippery slope.
It is prudent for ATL, out of an excess of caution, to adopt a prophylactic rule: no substantive discussion. That way they don't have to parse what is acceptable and what crosses the line.
294 here. One other thing. The rule is even more defensible because there are other places on the web - like AutoAdmit, mentioned by other posters - where people CAN have substantive discussion.
They just can't have it on ATL. That seems reasonable to me.
why can't NCBE catch up with the times and allow rolling bar examinations? the gmat does it. the cpa exams do it. the patent BAR does it. this twice a year everybody all on the same day shit is ridiculous.
291 is right. GO TO BED EVERYONE.
Good night, and good luck!
Did you guys get that question that asked whether Lat was a bottom or not? What did you guys get? I said that he was a bottom, because he's small and asian
Total azn qt, though
Hey, PE - JW Blue Label? Really? Blue Label is for middle class 30 somethings with some money to throw away on what they mistakenly believe is a fine whiskey. What's the matter, can't afford some Macallan or Ladybank?
Three Hundo, bitches
I shall fear nothing of hell, for I have already sat through the 2009 IEE.
Spak owes us all a rebate on our BarBri tuition for every time he went on a tangent ending with "but I digress" instead of teaching us substantive law.
IL atty here -- took the Feb IL bar after being licensed in another state first -- have to say that I thought BarBri hit the Feb IEE but missed the MEE. Thought I passed the essays but feared I failed the MBE miserably. I ended up getting into Minnesota without exam (145+ MBE) even though I felt I failed. Chins up....it is never as bad as you feared if you worked.....
299 - he doesnt know what those are. hes only a 1L (soon to be 2L)
Here's a tip to anyone still up and a little buzzed from celebrating the end of day one. There is NOTHING worse than trying to think straight with a hangover. I recommend tomorrow morning you pack a fat bowl. Not only will the Cali med ease the hangover, it will also help calm the nerves. Then, when you pass you will get Phelpsian bragging rights. Good luck!
I'm a fourth year associate at a law firm and I wish i had failed the bar so that I would be doing something else now.
Today, I was at my seat ready for the bar exam. I had downloaded the MOCKEXAM file and certified that Examsoft was working. I go to load the exam, and I get an error message from examsoft saying that it could not find my exam and suggesting that the culprit may be my defective floppy drive. Examsoft then rebooted my computer. On reboot, it gave me the same error message. Then it rebooted again.
On the second boot up, I tried launching examsoft again, and the same error routine happened again.
I spent the entire lunch brake on the phone with examsoft tech support. (25 minutes on hold, 30 minutes of tech support). Following the tech support's advice, I performed a series of actions which caused all of my icons, my task bar and my start button to disappear. I could not left click or right click. 5 minutes before the exam was to resume, the tech support staffer suggested that I perform a "system restore" by restoring my operating system.
Needless to say, I hand wrote the afternoon exam as well. FML.
all of the icons on my desktop disappeared. Also, my Windows task bar and start button disappeared. In essence, I was staring at my computer wallpaper and not able to access anything in my computer.
Needless to say, I hand-wrote the exam. FML.
The one thing that killed me last year was the need to upload the exam files within X hours of finishing. My hotel in NYC had no internet, so I had to purchase a day pass at the starbucks on the block and pay an extra $Y to do it. Pissed me off.
guy next to me wrote more than the flash drive could hold.
As convoluted as the afternoon essays were, I didn't think that they were horrible in that both had a lot of points of law to hit on.
Ran out of time on the MPT (only hit on 2 of 4 issues I was shooting for), but luckily they were the most important ones. Yay for prioritizing.
Here we go, Day 2!
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VA Mini Review by Reed Flinn ended up being pretty effective. Reed Flinn called at least three of the nine Virginia essays straight up. Maybe the most effective nine hours of bar studying this summer?
It's amazing how many law students and how few actual lawyers use this site- you can really see it when the bar test is given, because that is basically the only thing anyone is talking about.
How about starting another site for grown-ups, and you can leave this site for the kiddies who haven't started working?
Do Suffolk Grads need to take the bar if applying for paralegal?
I TOLD YOU ALL YESTERDAY THAT IF BARBRI SAYS THERE'S NIL-5% CHANCE IT'LL BE ON THE EXAM.....REST ASSURED, IT'LL BE ON THE EXAM
Should've taken a peek!!!
THIS JUST IN
Colin Powell said Gates should have just shut the fuck up when speaking with the police.
GOT THAT ELIE?
"And it's a great day to be alive
I know the sun's still shinin' when I close my eyes
There's some hard times in the neighborhood
But why can't every day be just this good..."
-Travis Tritt
MBE last year was so impossibly difficult and didn't look anything like PMBR or BarBri. Definitely the worst day out of the two.
Into the valley of the shadow of death rode the 600, cannons to the left of them, cannons to the right of them . . . .into the valley of the shadow of death they rode. . . .the brave 600. . . it was not their's to reason why, it was their's to do and die. . . . .Tenneyson paraphrased gets me through anything and everyone remembers the Light Brigade. . .see you on the other side
306 - If you don't know the difference between "brake" and "break," you probably wouldn't pass the bar either way.
took the NY and NJ bars last summer. after the first and second day, i walked from javits to the port authority bowling alley and met a couple non-law friends (no mention of the bar exam whatsoever). i had a couple beers and bowled a few games then went home early. it was a great way to release stress. i had more fun betweent test days than anyone else i knew and arrived relaxed and ready to go the next day.
Good forbid you guys had to handwrite the exam. LOL
A portion of this new crop of lawyers is going to be sad. Always bitching.
@ 312 - students are probably more apt to post, "real" attorneys just surf on by
As a "real" attorney who surfs by, most of the articles here are no value to me. Bar exams, fired law school teachers, which junior associates went to a strip club.
With all due respect to the editors, none of them seem to be "real" attorneys. That's why you don't see any practice tips, etc. David Lat practiced for a short time and Mystal appears to have only worked for a year or two. I apologize if I'm wrong, but I don't think he ever passed the bar. I assume he
was let go by his firm when he was unable to do so after a sufficient number of tries. I don't think Kash Hill even went to law school. Its basically just a gossip site. TMZ for law students. There are lots of things you can do with a law degree. If this is what they choose to do, more power to them. But give me a break with the arrogant comments about lower tiered schools. At least those grads practice law.
JT finished the morning portion of essay day 55 minutes early after going back and editing JT's essay for about 30 minutes.
Girl next to JT also thought JT failed. JT advised her that the bar just happened to be easy as hell.
I had a NY federal judge tell me that he no longer hired Yale or Harvard grads as clerks because they never had practical skills. He also got tired of the whining and sense of entitlement they had. Theory only gets you so far.
323 - Lat practiced for a decent stretch, and he still practices. His New York law license is active. He has experience in civil, criminal, trial and appellate matters.
He clerked on the Ninth Circuit, worked about three years at Wachtell, and worked another three years in the U.S. Attorney's Office. He also now serves as in-house counsel to Breaking Media.
(I know all this because I heard him speak at a conference.)
326 = Lat
323, the items on ATL that are of value to me aren't the TMZ / gossipy ones (although I do enjoy them). I mainly come here to gather competitive intelligence, so my firm can set its policies accordingly.
Due to that pesky thing called the Sherman Act, I can't call partners at other firms and ask, "Hey guys, what are you doing about [pay cuts, layoffs, deferrals, etc.]?"
ATL is a very valuable resource to those of us involved in hiring or other aspects of firm management.
323: What did you expect? It says "A LEGAL TABLOID" right at the top of the page. There are other places to learn those things, but this isn't one of them.
328=Lat
All my wise-ass Latinas - put yo hands up! - put yo hands up! - put yo hands up!
- Sonia Sotomayor
330 = Roxana
If I were going to post about the bar questions, why exactly do you think I'd do so from an IP address that could be traced to me?
My apologies to Mystal. If he passed the NY bar or didn't, it's none of my business. The NY bar is tough. No shame in that. I based my comment on an earlier poster that stated he or she searched the bar roles and found no mention of him. Avvo.com doesn't list him either.
317: I agree. I didn't think the BarBri practice MC questions came anywhere close to the level of difficulty of last July's actual MBE questions. But I still passed, with flying colors.
i just took the bar exam for admission to the bar of puerto rico. one of the questions asked whether no means yes. i filled in circle (b), b/c (b) stands for (b)oo(b)ies.
back from the MBE - that shit was tuu---uuuff! God I hope I didn't fail
Well, time to look for a new line of work. I felt like I was the one who got brutalized, raped, burned, and murdered.
I am going drinking in Chicago and going to spend all the money I saved by not going out for two months
They better scale the shit out of that brutal MBE. 100 right should get 130 scaled on that.
Take it over to the new thread, y'all:
http://abovethelaw.com/2009/07/bar_exam_day_2_open_thread.php