Like Whitebread would say, "well there is someone I can beat."

Those lectures are keyed to the stupidest common denominator student. They could be taught in 1/5th the time with no loss of substance. It just reminds me of how stupid those folks that fail the bar must actually be.

3= Roxie

I hope the little kitty can pay her maker's student loan debt after she fails the NY bar.

Repeat after me: SELF STUDY

You can be in Russia, Malibu, Florida, or your living room. "Class" whenever you want if you have INTERNET. And you SAVE TIME because you don't have to "primp" (dress nicely, hair, etc) or travel to/from class.

Why in God's name would anyone pay to drive to a lecture hall at some God awful morning hour to simply watch a video lecture next to some type-A personality freak? The lecture videos are NOT very helpful anyway. It simply forces you to actually READ the outline. Though I must admit, I have a slight crush on one of the video professors.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE A CRUSH ON A LECTURER? If so, kaplan or barbri, and who?

Mine is Kaplan--Chris Fromm :-)

Another thrilling piece of investigative journalism by ATL. Yawn.

There's a douchebag Columbia student who folds oragami and plays World of Warcraft in class.

Is that an origami Mystal?

Call me old fashioned but I feel guilty every time I make love to my wife. I feel as if I am being unfauthful to my next wife.

BarBri teaches students.

barbri lectures are an unbelievable waste of time- those 4 hours a day are much better used actually studying

She will freeze to death in the Javits Center.

Self-Study is great, until they send the wrong lecture outlines or the online videos do not work.

there's douchebag columbia students doing all kinds of shit in class

srsly, that school produces the most insufferable douchebags of any school in the country, including HOFSTRA

6 you're so right! Think of all the time I would have saved if I didn't have to primp to go to BarBri.

6 - Barbri doesn't allow people from all states to do home study. I could not. You had to live more than 100 miles away from an available place to take the course to be able to use the home study. It differs by state.

My other vagina is a Barbri book filled with centipedes

Yeah, BarBri is aimed at a level of comprehension slightly below the average high school sophomore. I did it by ipod last year and don't regret it-- it's possible to skip and fast forward with ease. It also allowed me to relisten to those lectures on fields I was completely unfamiliar with; I did Wills twice and skipped over secured credit altogether. The problem is, they charge more for the ipod. My V100 firm didn't blink an eye at paying the extra, though...

I hear ya 17. Barbri wouldn't let me home study either, so I choose Kaplan. Which by the way, is significantly cheaper than barbri.

I had to purchase a router with a stronger signal, but I'm much happier attending class at my pool than I am in some stuffy classroom. I honestly don't understand why a person would chose in-class lectures over kaplan's self study (barring like the 3 law firms that won't pay for kaplan but will pay for barbri...I say the sheet while signing up at law school, and every firm paid for both except like 2 or 3 firms)

-6

Just spend a few days studying last year's one page outlines and then take a sample test so you understand what you'll be facing and how they'll try to trip you up. You'll pass easily.

I studied for the bar exam during the bar exam and I passed.

UVA superlawyer

One word, four letters--- PMBR. BarBri should spend about one quarter the time they do on lectures, and do about ten times more practice tests. Practice tests, practice tests.

I got a 123 on the BarBri practice MBE, should I be concerned or should I believe them that their test is tougher than the actual MBE?

I'm halfway through watching the equity lecture at home. Should I stop the video? It seems pretty worthless, and none of the essays I've read thus far even touch up on this shit.

I can see how some would have a crush on Kaplan's Mr. Fromm, he's a pretty charming guy.

Is it me or do a number of the lecturers have voices that are similar to actors?

Kaplan Property (main lecture): sounds a bit like Bill Paxton.

Kaplan Criminal Law (main): sounds to me like Will Forte.

Anyone else?

24:

I got the same practice score and then failed in the spring. They lied. I want my money back.

I can't count the number of times that barbri incorrectly states the law in their lectures. My lecture notes/outline contradict at times barbri's own CMR outline. Ridiculous.

If it weren't free, I would never pay for this crap.

Anyone else sign up for the PMBR 3 day mini review only to receive a worthless book full of the old style questions which are no longer applicable to the new format of the MBE?

Is the simulated exam going to be these same worthless questions or did PMBR update the format?

Armadillos from Texas play rap, eating tacos.

28, which state bar are you studying for? NY?

Why are they called handouts if you get them all in a book beforehand?

Why are they called handouts if you get them all in a book beforehand?

27 - how BAD were your essays?

Very cute.

I think the student featured in this story has found an alternative calling to law. I could place an order for hundreds of those origami figures and hand them out to associates at the firm to remind them of what career alternatives they have if they don't carry their own weight (i.e., bill the required amount of hours annually).

Hey , I just had a thought, do you think that if she fails the bar and tries to sue barbri she would be estopped from suing? Could you make an argument that barbri detrimentally relied on her promise to take the course seriously? I think it would work.

At least they just have oragami. . .we have people literally making out during class . . .

Wow - someone with a short attention span made an origami cat at a New York BarBri class.

It's good to see that investigative journalism is alive and well at ATL.

All you people on here saying "oh the bar is easy" SHUT THE FUCK UP. You know you freaked out when you took it. All law students for the end of time will. I'm sure you can't don't know half the law anymore. Same with law students who took these classes 3 or 4 years ago.
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And the columbia kids are douchebags? Jesus fuckin christ.

After sitting through 10 hours of that miserable con law lecture, was that the only thing you were able to make?

I was expecting PE to say something about how he became an expert at origami as a young lad travelling the world...

the barbri lectures are great for people like me. . . I never took wills or Crim pro, I dont have a fuckin clue. If you did great. Shut the hell up and leave the room.

Whether they may be slow or not, I like hearing the %s of times certain topics are hit. . . you dont get that in the outlines.

Also, go leave. Have fun. Its 20 days from the bar, in the midst of a god damn recession the likes of which hasn't been seen. I'm gonna study may ass off and attend everything barbri has for the next 20 days.

Then I'm going to inject Patron into my veins for 60 days before I start work.

The rest of you, shut the hell up as 40 said.

24, the average is a 106 on the practic test . . what did you give up after the practice test?

ZOMG kittehs!

24 - I think I got like 103 out of 200 or something on that thing. I passed in CA. Don't sweat it at all, essays is what it's all about anyway.

Thanks 46, I'm doing practice essays mostly from now until the bar and maybe a little MPT practice.

I'm not sure I understand the question 44 as I'm taking the actual bar exam at the end of July.

-24

That IS really cute.

i could have built a modular home during the conflicts of law lecture. dude was a slooooooowww talker.

24 - give up now. There is no hope for you.

mysTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTal

I got a 141 on the practice exam in a state that weights more heavily to the essay day - should I switch over to exclusively focusing on essay topics now or wait a week?

ATL sucks now

I bet it's an asian chick that did that.

54 -- that's wasis!

1 - Those appear to be the power outlets and desktops at Fordham. Which doesn't mean she went there - lots of Columbia, NYU, and TTT students take barbri at Fordham.

I LOVE SHARON STONE!! I'D LIKE TO SHOWER WITH SHARON STONE, MINUS THE OLD MAN!!

For some people origami might be something to do that still allowed paying attention (e.g. pen tapping or doodling or whatever for some people just gives their hands something to do while they can still pay attention).

I took Barbri for NY about 10 years ago (at a remote location, i.e. on video not live) and thought it was good/worth the money/better than self-study alone. Almost all lecturers seemed to know their stuff, most had a good sense of humor, etc. I wonder if being at a remote location with a much smaller group than at a live location made it easier to focus with fewer distractions...

One lecture that still sticks in my memory (parts, anyway!) as being incredibly useful was one by a former marker (or whatever they're called) who discussed among other things how to increase your chances of at least getting part marks when you have little or no clue what the answer is, with examples of what he meant.

I'm curious whether anyone who has taken Barbri courses years apart (e.g. for different jurisdictions if waiving in wasn't possible), what they thought of the program the 2nd time as a lawyer with years of experience.

HAHAHA - i know who did this....and she's smarter than most of you so stop reading ATL and do another practice set.

ATTTTTTTTTL

Got 188 on the practice exam. Fail.

I got 201 on the practice exam and still failed the actual exam

Be afraid, be VERY afraid!!!!!!!!! You're all going to fail!!!!!!!!!!

Chris Fromm (Kaplan) is the man!

you can download everything - pmbr, barbri, and some pieper's materials - on reputable torrent sites

It's the student's time and money to waste. If he or she just wants to fill in the blanks and do the minimum, no one is to stop him/her. An alternative could be to self study during that time, or make better use and study during class and pick up the lectures via osmosis, thus creating more free time outside of class. Or, the time can be wasted doing crafts.

The Corporations and Conflict of Laws lectures were really slow.

BarBri should allow you to watch all the lectures online. I chose to watch the property video online, and I can truthfully say that I fast forwarded through at least 30+ minutes of Paula Franzese's story time/sing-alongs.

Seriously, why is bar review classes so boring. I skipped half of them and still passed the bar. Makes me wonder if the 3K is worth it. Heck, if someone takes the bar review course and fails the bar exam, they should be banned from joining the bar for life. It's simple memorize and dump, just like in undergrad.

It takes two baby...to make and easement appurtenant.

Paula Franzese is a goddess!

Joe Tom Easly -- I fall asleep just saying his name.

1 - I'd recognize those UPenn desks anywhere.

(Yes, bring on the upenn state schtick).

1 - I'd recognize those UPenn desks anywhere.

(Yes, bring on the upenn state schtick).

It's actually not a UPenn desk, but ok ...

Some of the lectures are good, some not. I'm just using books from 2008 and making the best of it. I still think the key is the MBE... a lot easier to crunch 6 subjects solidily and nail that test than it is to know the bullshit ins and outs of secured transactions, etc. That's how I passed CA, and that' how I plan to pass NY.