You are now breathing manually.

Second.

blirsty

FIRST!!!!!!!!!!

Wait, so the student is holding his wife hostage? Or he's in the house?

hard to know b/c the story is so TTT.

Uh, this post doesn't sense. Are you getting paid to do this?

jesus christ, mysTTTal

this is the worst post i've seen on this site

THIS POST MAKES NO SENSE!!!

I'm confused...

What the hell?? This post doesn't make any sense, how can you call yourself a writer and write something like this? Who is being held hostage? The law student? His grandparents? huh???

What the hell?? This post doesn't make any sense, how can you call yourself a writer and write something like this? Who is being held hostage? The law student? His grandparents? huh???

The 3500 sq ft grandmother is holding the house hostage. Jesus, is it that hard to figure out!

Jesus, what special ed courses were you sent to to learn to write this way, Elie?!

No one could possibly extract from the pile of shit that you apparently consider to be an ATL-worthy post what connection there is between the student requesting an extension, on the one hand, and, on the other, the geezer house invasion that is the subject of the linked articles.

I think this is the law student's parents. Otherwise, like everyone else I'm not sure what's going on.

don't you think the student's mom is being held hostage by his adopted dad?

What the FUCK is this post supposed to mean? Is the student the wife who sent the request from inside the house? Since you referenced killing people off, is he the gunman? Is it his parents in the house? I've never criticized you before, Elie, but JESUS this is shitty reporting.

Listen up one more time. Gay rights are not similar to the African-American struggle. I makes me shiver to see non-African-Americans wrap themselves in the African-American struggle.

I purpose an end to so-called minority politics, and replace them with non-immigrant politics. This way other so-called minorities are blocked from wrapping themselves in that which they did not fight for.

This is not to say that one should be against equality, but it is a chance for immigrant groups to fight for what they want or believe that they are entitled to.

Either MysTTTal stealth-added "The story allegedly concerns her parents," or many of the above posters can't read. Based on what I've seen at this site before, I'm betting it's the first option...

My guess is that the reference to "parental terrorism" is supposed to indicate that its the student's father holding his/her mother hostage. However, I agree--this post is borderline incomprehensible.

So, the EIC of the Connecticut Law Review thought that the natural thing to do was email ATL? WTF.

AlberTTTo Gonzales finally found a job. He will be TTTeaching political science at tttexas tttech.

TTT

Obviously this person is Latino and deserves special treatment.

Motosayor

You'll be winning that bet, 19.

-14

Mystal, I am going to leave my ectoplasm all over your moobs.

Furious Gorge

I hope the tipster didn't intend to remain anonymous.

Sorriest excuse of a post, ever.

You've outdone yourself, Elie.

Mystal's writing and editing skills are being held hostage.

Does anyone else get pissed off by that Kinney recruiting guy?

I mean, who the fuck speaks Mandarin??

Chocolate rain!
It takes away all the pain!
Chocolate rain!

19, it's definitely the first option. That sentence was not there when the post first went up.

Hey, Twitchy McMystal, stop twitching so much and learn how to write English and not this esperanto-ebonics gibberish.

Apparently you need to speak Mandarin in order to understand what the hell this post actually means. I'm sure there is a Harvard Law School Admissions Dean crying in a corner somewhere.

Why would you post this. The dude/dudette has enough problems as is because his/her dad is holding his/her mom hostage at gunpoint and its on the news. That last thing this person needs is every single lawyer/law student in the country knowing what is going on in their life.

Unless the hostage is the applicant herself, the request for an extension should be denied. There is nothing that physically imposes on the student to meet the deadline. She is neither restrained nor denied from access to the instruments needed to complete the task at hand. When life throws you a curveball, you adapt and overcome. If you can't do this, you don't deserve to be on a journal. On May 13, 1965, my appendix ruptured. My law review assignment was due on May 14, 1965. Did I ask for an extension? No, I toughed it out, completed the assignment and then went to the local hospital to have a complete appendectomy. Something tells me the student in question can have a month's extension and still not hand in a submission worthy of election onto a law journal.

I hate when I get held hostage. Usually fucks up your whole day.

Has Roxanna finished writing her next installment yet? I need something to look forward to reading on this "blog."

Wow, that editor is a piece of shit.

Wow, that editor is a piece of shit. (I mean the law review editor — not Elie.)

I wonder who the tipster was

the editor in chief of the UConn Law Review is apparently an asshole.

Worst Post, Ever

I second 21. The EIC is a terrible person (if it was he or she who leaked this to ATL).

Publicizing the story of some poor 1L who is obviously going through a personal tragedy? Have some compassion you heartless bastard.

This student is clearly not Locke Lord Houston material.

I had a few non-extendible deadlines today.

My mom was in a serious car accident last week, and just came out of ICU. I traveled 800 miles each way to see her this past weekend. Yesterday, I found out my wife has terminal cancer.

I hate that I could not just sit at home and cry all day, but I did meet the deadline.

It's nice to post this anonymously, as it in some way helps to talk about it, without bothering my friends and colleagues, all of whom know my wife.

Someday, I will leave the practice of law and find a job where there are no deadlines, and a person can take a day off to deal with issues like these without having to worry about making up the hours.

35 (PE): Even if one of the hostages is the applicant herself, she could still work on her submission because she'd just be sitting around in the house, not doing anything, right?

STFU.

Why would you guys even post this?! Shame on the law review editor for tipping you guys off, and shame on you for printing this. This kid may lose a parent or two tonight!

SMH

Whoa people. Let's not let Elie's poor writing distract from the main takeaways here, which are that whoever leaked this story is (a) sub-human and (b) should be tarred and feathered by his/her peers.

Former Conn. L. Rev. editor here (not EIC). As recently as four years ago, the universe of editors who would interact with write-on candidates during the competition and grading could be counted on one hand.

Someone fucked up in leaking this story, and it shouldn't be hard to determine who.

Wow...whoever leaked this story is in big trouble.

Even if it wasn't the EIC, he obviously told somebody. This has got to go against the Honor Code of the school.

If the EIC isn't the leaker, the EIC will be forced to tell who he shared the email with. The person who leaked it and the EIC will both be subject to disciplinary action for Honor Code violations.

If, of course, the school or the rising 2L decides to pursue....

In this scenario, I'd say that the discipline would probably end up being disqualification from journal participation.

Leaking this story was so INCREDIBLY stupid.

Blah blah blah ... more layoff news please.

35 -

Given your turgid prose, I suspect that you had a lobotomy, not an appendectomy.

lol at the thought of Connecttticuttt bothering to have a law review

sorry 45. Good luck and stay positive

49 - It would probably be the competition editor, right?

SHAME ON YOU ELIE! SHAME ON YOU ABOVE THE LAW! AND SHAME ON YOU UCONN LAW REVIEW!

35 is quite possibly the greatest reply ever.

*ring, ring, ring*
"hello?"
"Yes, is this the editor of the law review?"
"yes, who is this?"
"this is your dean"

Hey you know what would really be the BEST excuse for not turning something in? Dying! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

WTF???? Total asshole EIC. Also low blow by ATL--what's next, reporting that some law student or associate has AIDS. Shame on you.

35 is quite possibly the greatest reply ever.

The EIC should resign for mailing this to ATL. Disgraceful.

You do realize that by posting links to the article identifying the names of both the hostage (mother) and assailant (father), you've essentially outed the student, right?

I hope that the malcontent editor who forwarded this on to ATL has enjoyed his 3 minutes of anonymous fun, for he will surely be disciplined by the law school. Have fun declaring this on the character and fitness portion of your bar app.

MysTTTal should apologize for posting this.

Then he should resign for being incompetent.

The EIC should also be fired from the Skadden summer associate gig. It is a serious lapse of judgment and displays a tremendous lack of character to turn a private email to an Editor-in-Chief into fodder for a legal gossip site. Absolutely ridiculous. Hopefully Skadden steps up to the plate here.

Poor judgment abounds. The shithead editors at UConn who exposed this will certainly live to regret it. But Elie, what the hell is wrong with you posting this?

1) I agee with the supermajority that it was in poor taste to send the e-mail to ATL and for ATL to post it.

2) Perhaps the student wasn't outed, the articles state the man has no children and that they adopted the family name "Tyler" of of a phone book (WTF?), so perhaps the student retained the last name of the biological father.

Such ridiculously poor judgment to post this.

Such ridiculously poor judgment to post this.

I don't think ATL should be posting about every horrible event that befalls someone who is in some way connected to the legal field. As if it's not bad enough for the person right now.

But more than that, the UConn editor who sold the student out is just an awful human being.

Gosh, Elie. Please learn to show some editorial discretion. By posting this, you have "outed" the victim of a terrible personal tragedy. The story's not even that interesting.

And to the leaker: you are a complete low-life. Good luck this year in your attempt to lead a law review full of people who distrust you.

55--Correct. Maybe one or two others on an ad hoc basis, but EIC and CompE are the only two who would know of right.

BTW, nice job Elie for using a gendered adjective with your "save," prior to that we didn't know if the student was male or female (even the newspapers mentioned that Tyler had two children, nothing about age or gender).

As a New England resident eligible under the "New England Compact" to get in-state tuition rates for 2L and 3L years, plus a discount as a 1L, I would have saved nearly $100,000 attending UCONN instead of Northeastern School of Law. Fuck.

Unemployed Northeastern '07

Wow--looks like a chance of thunderstorms in Hartford tomorrow.

3 very big names departing Cooley announced today.

If this girl didn't want her parent's violent tendencies to become public knowledge, she should've never gone to a public university.

- [attempting to rationalize like an ATL (or UCONN Law Review) editor]

What kind of horrid gunner thinks about law review contest while your dad is threatening to blow up your mother. Or am I not understanding the article?

78 is an asshole too, apparently.

78: Apparently he wasn't thinking about the Law Review contest, hence the request for an extension.

Pretty scum-bag-ish of Mr. EIC to release this to ABL. Way to have sympathy for your peers you douche.

The editor who leaked this story is the archetype law student of this generation. My firm never conducted oci at uconn so this impudent cur would have no chance at working for a peer firm. This editor does remind me of a story I heard a few years ago about a law student that purposely broke the copying machines and jammed the elevators at his school on the day the law review competition ended. I am almost ashamed that my once noble profession attracts these type of subhuman nimrods. You animals deserve each other.

Ugh, this stupid fucking website...

1. Navigate to http://connecticutlawreview.org/EdBoard.html to learn EiC's name

2. Find out where EiC is working as a Summer Associate

3. Forward a link to this post to the employer's hiring committee

4. ????

5. PROFIT!!!!!!!1

I'm SO ashamed to go to this school. What kind of attention seeking move is this? Mr. EIC is an insensitive jerk. I hope to God my transfer applications get accepted.

Elie’s handling of the identity of the tipster for this post makes me 90% less likely to ever send a tip to ATL

84-
or the competition editor...

is UCONN a community college?

Wow, serious insensitivity. The last thing this student needs is to be on the top of ATL for an entire evening. If you wanted to address it, then address the fact the woman is a lawyer and mention the kid in passing if you have to. Better yet STFU.

You are an asshat. You and Perez are doing for chubby gay men, what Bush did for Texans. Congrats!

Here's a question for those of you who visited this site prior to Elie's tenure. Would Lat have run a story like this?

I'm just curious as to whether the lack of discretion is an "Elie thing" or an "ATL thing." Thanks.

A chap at my firm once feigned spontaneous combustion to avoid the deadline on a motion filing. After trying to ring him several times, I went to his office and all I found was a small green globule sitting atop his Herman Miller Aeron.

78, you jackass. Have you been a rising 2L trying to write onto a journal? Especially at a law school outside the top tier? This student has to be in a world of stress right now, and was probably trying to do the right thing by giving the miserable prick on UConn's law review the heads up that his/her submission wouldn't be in on time.

Why in god's name would the scumbag law review editor forward this to ATL?!

And WHY the hell would Elie post this?!?! Jesus, Elie. Find your humanity.

89 - Elie isn't gay. Lat is. (we'll take Lat, but y'all can have Elie on your team.)

People may be jumping the gun on the EIC, surely he/she couldn't make the decision to extend the time period alone thus had to share the request (and supporting evidence) to other people on the LR, at least a few people had to be informed of this.

Before anyone follow's 84's advice, consider that the masthead on the UCONN website might be from last year's editorial board. 84 might be implicating the previous EIC, and not the real culprit.

I have no idea (as I do not go to UCONN), but it's just a thought. I'm pretty sure some law reviews don't get around to changing the masthead on their websites until mid-summer.

88-

it might as well be.

Take this post down. Horrible.

There is no way to prove who leaked this story. There is only a way to prove who posted it here.

I'm never coming to this website again.

Well, maybe one more time.

45:
Your wife has terminal cancer. Your mother is dying in the ICU.

Why do you need a new job? Who are you going to live for outside the office?

As for the rising 2L- how much notice did he have as to the writeon deadline? It's kind of his own fault for not getting it done early. You never know what might come up right before a deadline.

84 & 95, the masthead on the UCONN Law Review website appears to be from last years board. This can be determined by a creepo stalker search for Mr. Mensh (the EIC listed) which shows that he graduated from UCONN Law in May.

If the hostage situation had been resolved, no casualties (i.e. no serious injuries nor fatalities), then I could see it as not being so tasteless, after the fact, to post a story about "good excuse for missing deadline?" or something like that. Debatable, but less objectionable.

There's nothing important or urgent about this story that can't wait. To post while the hostage situation is still going on, and while something even more tragic might yet happen, is incredibly crass and insensitive. Albeit less objectionable than whoever forwarded it to ATL in the first place (as a prior post noted, the editor may have justly needed to share the e-mail/information with others in terms of the extension request, so it may be unfair to blame the editor for the leak).

As for two other matters discussed in posts: first, when dealing with a high-stress situation like one or more parents being in a hostage situation, it's not surprising that one seeks recourse in "ordinary" things like letting people know you won't be meeting deadlines. Second, to suggest the student is being unreasonable in making the extension request is ridiculous - I know lawyers who've gotten extensions from the court (let alone opposing counsel) for far worse reasons than this, and law students who've gotten extensions for far less meritorious reasons. Life happens; accident, illness, injury, can all have an effect and this is not anything within the law student's control. It may very well be that publication deadlines make an extension impossible or unduly difficult, and for that or another reason an extension shouldn't or can't be given; but the request for an extension was appropriate.

A few thoughts here:
1. Those commenters who aren't able to follow the story... did you read it? Or did Elie edit it after posting? It was eminently clear what was going on. A law student asked for an extension because her mother is being held hostage. Do you need him to use smaller words or something?
2. I agree that this really isn't something post-worthy, and like a number of other posts here, shows very poor judgment on the part of this blog's editors.
3. I even more wholeheartedly agree that it was completely unacceptable for whoever leaked this story to ATL to have done so. It is immature, unprofesional, and displays a profound lack of discretion and judgment. One of the informant's classmates is no doubt enduring a heart-wrenching experience as she prays that her mother survives a harrowing situation that frankly looks likely to turn out tragically. What kind of insensitive jerk would respond to that by getting a few minutes of tabloid satisfaction?

For the sake of all parties involved, readers shouldn't be so quick to fill in the blanks.

The EIC at UConn Law Review is a person of considerable integrity. Anyone that knows him wouldn't doubt for a moment that this came from elsewhere and it's shameful that ATL has presented this in a way that suggests otherwise.

Whoever did publicize this information is pitiful, and frankly, ATL has taken a step lower in choosing to post this in the first place.

The name of the person in question is Ned Ryerson.

103, read the comments before you post.

i live with four other recent law graudates, and none of them or anyone else i have spoken to about this at my barbri class of 400 ever intend to read this website ever again.

You know, I find myself feeling dirty everytime I visit the website because all too often there are posts like this. And I know that by merely visiting this website, I'm generating the advertising impressions that make publishing this sort of crass content profitable for the purveyors of this crap. I've begun to visit much, much less often. I think I'll have to make a conscientious effort to stop coming here at all.

Everyone who thinks ATL has gone too far, far too many times, I implore you to do what I plan to do. Vote with your clicks and stop coming here.

This isn't anything that hasn't been said already, but it shows extremely poor judgment on behalf of ATL to run this item. WTF, Elie?

That's exactly right, 103, everyone needs Elie to use smaller words, you jackass.

This isn't anything that hasn't been said already, but it shows extremely poor judgment on behalf of ATL to run this item. WTF, Elie?

I'm going to add one more thought here -- the hostage taker in this ongoing standoff has demanded that the media NOT cover this story, and is threatening to kill this innocent woman and has been shooting at police. So by further propagating this story before the victim has been safely released, Elie and ATL are very likely jeopardizing a life. You'd better hope she gets out of this alive.

84 - That link is to last year's board. That EIC and the other board members graduated already. Its the rising 3L editors who leaked this story.

LOL at 110, I can't believe 103 would believe for a second that Elie got it right and a dozen+ posters are the incometent ones.

The post starts off with:

"Who hasn't "killed off a grandparent" in order to obtain an extension on a paper? But one University of Connecticut law student is not joking around."

This suggests that what's coming next is a story about how a Connecticut law student's grandma really did die, OR that a Connecticut law student did actually kill his or her grandma (i.e., "not joking around" in terms of "killing off a grandparent"). But the article is about a divorce battle between a law student's parents and the mother being taken hostage by the dad.

Other problems with this post, besides the inapplicable analogy:

1. For every person killed each minute of the day, the daughter or son of the victim is probably in the midst of some educational or professional advancement, be it a union apprenticeship, working towards a certification or degree, etc. So it is not newsworthy or even "ironic" that the hostage's kid is in law school and trying to get on law review.

2. If the editor is so douchey to run and tell ATL a law student's Mom is right now at knifepoint and oh, how ironic it is that the student is trying to write onto law review, why would ATL publish this? Will you next post about how the hostage's immobility means she can't pick up her dry cleaning?

3. It's very possible the arsonist, hostage-taking father will kill this poor student's mother. If so, I hope you feel like a jerk for helping to contribute to this student's misery.

Toolishness.

I've been on here every day for the last 2 months. This post was a really shitty decision that I hope Mystal will reconsider. It the post is here still tomorrow, I'm staying away from ATL for a long while. Have the guts to admit when you made a mistake.

"Update (9:15 PM): According to the Hartford Courant, the hostage has been safely released."

#105 - No it isn't.

Staying away from ATL, rather than posting critical comments, is a more effective form of protest.

I don't think the editors read these comments that closely (especially now that they are hidden).

I came to comment on how horrendous this flippant post is, but I see that's been taken care of by the previous 100+ coments.

I agree with 119. Stay away from ATL.

Okay. Tomorrow, no clicks from me.

Story changes again...

"As we understand it, an editor of the Connecticut Law Review received an email..."

lol at people posturing and claiming they won't come back to ATL because of this story...

How can I get a date with Lat? Is ATL raffling tickets or something???

94: I thought the same thing. Don't presume it's the EIC here.

Really bad idea to post this story, ATL.
"I had a friend that went through six grandmothers in four years of college."

I had a friend WHO went through....

Jesus. Learn English.

UConn's Law Review website lists a Competition Editor, but it looks like the list is from the last issue. I would guess that is where the leak came from.

Amazing that Elie would post this in real time - seriously insensitive and without any thought to retaining anonymity. Lat - get a new Editor. The market is flooded with far better options right now. Think Bess, Esq. That is what we need.

There's no crying on Law Review.

I don't think this is a big deal. I dragged my grandmother into a professor's office once and beat her with a bat just so I could get an extra day to study for my torts exam. Did the same thing the following week with a friend's grandmother.

Mystal, how would you feel if someone took your lunch hostage? Yeah, exactly.

Tomorrow's post:

ATL publishes a story by Hope Winters about the crisis being caused by the hostage mother's torrid sexual escapades with a Miami-based White & Case BigLaw Associate.

Hey MysTTTal, why don't you do your job and tell everyone how a lot of us Cadwalader associates are pissed that recruiting went with the summers to the strip club. We wouldn't care, except that usually when recruiting went to an event when we were summers, they put down a card. Now they laid off 40 lawyers. They could pay for strippers, but not their own attorneys. I'll be getting off the sinking ship as soon as I can.

In other under-reported news, the Congressional Civil Rights Commission is being stonewalled by the Obama Admin as to why B.O. dropped the case against the black supremacist Panther group blocking whites from voting last November.....

...but I'm sure if the KKK stopped blacks from voting the media would ignore it too...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/07/return-of-the-black-panther/

terrible judgment to post this. truly awful.

Van Winkle Law would never hire a douche bag like the editor of the Connecticut Law Review...

This is utterly disgusting. Whoever leaked this is a pig. This law student is going through a VERY traumatic experience and to have to deal with our small law school's awful gossip on top of all of this is cruel. To the journal EIC who shared this (I know who you are) you should be ashamed of yourself.

Happy, weird typing here to remind me where to pick up the comments again in about an hour, without having to scroll through shit I've already read....

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There.

I am pounding a hostage in the ass right now its not really a big deal.

Happy, weird typing here to throw off the dude trying to pick up the comments again in about an hour, without having to scroll through shit he's already read....

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There.

#137 = piece of Houston shit sparkling wiggle

"I had a friend who went through six grandmothers in four years of college."

I call bullshit.

MysTTTal has no friends. This post is proof.

I am your friend, Mystal.

local Blimpie sub shop manager

Pretty disturbing that some of these "guests" automatically assume the EIC leaked the story...even worse, they think the EIC should lose his LR post and Summer gig: blatantly obvious just a bunch of jealous UConn students...

Just to confirm, the Connecticut Law Review website's list of editors is from the 2008-09 academic year. The current Editorial Board is comprised of those students listed as "Associate Members."

There is NO way to know who leaked this story. Speaking from personal knowledge, there are only 2 or 3 Law Review members who would even know about such an excuse being made. Highly unlikely that one of those people would have leaked this story, as it could only paint the Conn. L. Rev. in a bad light.

My guess is that one of the other 100 or so competitors leaked this story. There is simply no reason why the EIC would ever want this story published to the whole world.

144 = Connecttticuttt law review competition editor

Heh, no. But I am a former UConn Law student, and a former Conn. L. Rev. member though.

144/146: I am also a former Conn. L. Rev. member who just graduated, and if you think that one of the current editors wouldn't have done this, you're really fucking naive.

I have to assume that no one here will have a problem with me posting the following:

American Soldiers = MURDERERS

This story is just tragic and sad, and ATL should never have posted it.

Also, I'm a UConn Law Alumnus. I really hope that I'm right when I say that most of the students I went to school with would never behave this way. That being said, I'm calling on Dean Jeremy Paul to seriously consider suspending whoever was responsible for leaking this to ATL.

I would also like to point out that UConn is a really small school (160 students per class, roughly) and so gossip gets around. So just telling other students about this was abhorrent, let alone leaking it to ATL.

SERIOUSLY, WHY HAS THIS POST NOT BEEN TAKEN DOWN YET????

Putting it up was in poor taste. Keeping it up is just plain dickheaded.

Has anyone writing these critical posts read the articles they are linked to?

From what I can tell, either the competitor's mother or father was involved in what has to be one of the most difficult and terrifying events that any one person can go through.

It doesn't say which one is their parent, but if they got married in 1993, that means they've both been in the student's life for 16 years. (I doubt any of you noticed that). The mother was kidnapped at GUNPOINT at 9AM; 12 hours later the situation ended after many gunshots were fired. In that time, the father requested that a priest come to the hostage site so he can read the mother her last rights before he KILLED HER.

But I'm sure all of you would have had you would have kept your bluebook in hand as you sat outside and hoped your father didn't TAKE THE LIFE OF your mother.

And I'm sure if that was one of your friends, you wouldn't mind they got an extension, you know, considering that one parent KIDNAPPED AT GUNPOINT another parent, then took them to a house and THREATENED TO KILL the other while police surrounded the house.

Also, the history of violence (past burning down of a house) would lend itself to thinking that it's highly possible that her mother could be killed.

These posts only further confirm the contempt I have for most law students. So continue to nonchalantly throw your stones, but be careful, as I'm sure you live in a glass house.

This fucking site is pathetic. And I am guilty of reading it daily for the past year or two. This was the final nail in the coffin. The site has no worth: I am dumber and my character sullied having read it. Worse yet, it is targeted towards lawyers and lawyers-to-be, which only lowers my opinion of the profession.

Fuck this site; fuck the leaker; fuck Elie.

Who is stupid enough to think that an EIC would EVER report this to ATL? Obviously, it was the STUDENT HERSELF pushing to get an extension or it was some dumbass 1L jealous that he couldn't hack it and write on to law review.

I'm know everyone on law review and the EIC IS THE BEST DUDE EVER and knowing that, I'm sure he GAVE THE STUDENT AN EXTENSION. Rightly deserved. Rightly handled. Everyone on here owes the EIC an apology as well as the student who requested an extension.

Whoever leaked, UCONN is gonna find out and you'll be wrecked. Transfer now you schmuck.

153 = What are United States Armed Forces Personnel

151 WTF are you talking about?

1) The vast majority of the posts are pointing out the leaker is a d-bag and its irresponsible for ATL to have posted the story.

2) Follow your own advice and read the stories, its pretty obvious which one is the student's parent, as another poster notes above.

Whoever leaked it will have to answer to the law school.

Elie, you just have to answer to your conscience.

". . . . but before I can live with other folks I've got to live with myself. The one thing that doesn't abide by majority rule is a person's conscience." Atticus Finch

Seriously, posting this was truly contemptible and had NO news value.

Whoever leaked this story whether it be the EIC or another student is without question the absolute scum of the earth.

Why does UCONN suck so much? I should have transferred...

Hey kids - Uconn alum here - the write-on competition is (or was in my time at least) a joint venture between all of the journals at the school. As I recall there were a whole group of people from each of the journals and others (managing editors, etc.) who were involved in fielding the write-on submissions, so it could have been any number of different people who leaked this "news." Also, it's a pretty small school, and news travels fast, so it could have been anybody....

Anyway, this is a really sad story. But really, it's bizarre that the student would actually be worrying about law review on a day when all of this was going down....

Blah blah blah.

Get off your high horses, people.

I hope the student and her family are safe now. What a terrible thing to have to go through. And then have it spread all over the local news and ATL. Hopefully they expel whoever violated the honor code.

mystttal graduated from harvard LOL!

Just remember - that guy has an individual right to bear arms.

I've been reading ATL for about 2 years and this is the first time I've ever felt inclined to post -

Can you for one second put yourself in this student's situation - her father is holding her mother hostage, which I'm sure is the worst personal experience of her life. While this is happening, she sends the law review editor a quick email with a link to the local newspaper article, asking for an extension. After being granted the extension, I'm sure she put the competition out of her mind for the time being and went back to focusing on her family's tragedy, as anyone would. A few hours later, due to her email to the editor, her family's personal tragedy is all over ATL. Now anyone can look up the article and identify her. How you would like your family's dirty laundry aired out in such a public forum, while you're just a private 1L trying to get on law review?

To exploit an email that one this couple's children sent to her school during a family emergency while suffering unimaginable personal anguish is beyond tasteless.

Shame on you, Elie and ATL.

Most of all, shame on whoever received this email and instead of feeling sympathy, felt inclined to send it to ATL. I hope that if you ever suffer a family tragedy the people in your professional life extend to you the same callousness and publicity that you've extended to this woman.

Elie -- you and the law review editor should be ashamed of yourselves. This is completely out of line.

Disgusting post, Elie. Poor judgment on your part here.

Every commentator on here is a pussy and I am going to kidnap everyone of your grandmothers.

Skadden Secure

The damage has already been done so enough with the complaining. At this point, ATL should issue an apology and, as an act of contrition, keep us updated on who leaked the story if UConn finds out. ATL does have a duty not to reveal its sources, but nothing prevents it from reporting on someone else discovering who leaked a story.

WOW! There is a hostage situation at home, and the student is more concerned about an extension. SAD

Oh so everything ends well huh?

Maybe you missed the part in the story where the student's father refused to come out of the house when it was burning to the ground. Or how there have been gunshots inside the house, and possibly explosions?

There's a high likelihood that this student lost his/her father this evening, and all you can think to post is "all's well that end's well?"

Now THIS is what keeps me coming back to ATL. Great stuff!

168 - How was he "more" concerned about an extension? He sent what appeared to be a really short email. Probably took him 1 minute. Pretty reasonable thing to do under the circumstances, but go ahead, make fun of someone who may have just lost a father.

You are all pussies and I am a better lawyer than you.

N. Wacker Stud

If my mom was going to be blown up and my dad was going to prison, I'm pretty sure I would have more pressing things to think about than getting an extension for journal contest. Actually I'm pretty sure that would be the LAST thing on my mind. Who cares about a stupid journal write-on?

Not that the editor isn't an ass for forwarding this, and ATL for posting it.

I made my grandmother draft my write-on entry to the law journal and then I took her hostage.

texas tough

Being on law review is a privilege, and it brings considerable responsibilities. If she can't manage her time well enough to be able to handle a personal issue right before deadline, then she probably shouldn't worry about the writing contest because she isn't law review material. An editor, like a lawyer, has a duty to preserve the professions respect for institution of law review and no personal consideration, no matter how tragic, can be allowed to supersede that.

The fact that UConn's editors apparently are willing to compromise their institutional standard of performance because of a sob story is indicative that the journal is a joke. Real law reviews, i.e. HLJ and YLJ, have standards, which is why membership in those institutions is considered one of the greatest indicia of competency and accomplishment in the profession.

Hello sanctimonious dickheads. This is a "tabloid." (Maybe you should look up the term in a dictionary.) This is what tabloids do. On the continuum of tabloid v. decency, this does not even rate. Jesus -- listen to yourselves. Pathetic.

A sob story? 175 - you are enormous asshole and the reason why lawyers have horrible reputations.

It's obvious that if you were ever faced with a similar situation your main concern would be for your selfish desire of promoting your career and not an iota of concern for your loved one being threatened by a very real threat of murder.

What the fuck happened to empathy you callous bastard.

Shortly before my law school write on competition my wife received a serious head injury, and I was told that she needed constant supervision to ensure she did not simply die. I wrote and turned in my submission for law review without even mentioning the matter. Obviously, as I was a bit distracted, I didn't get on, but I fucking buckled down and did the god damn work anyway.

Grow a set of nuts, people.

Normally, wacky reasons for a law review write-on extension are fair play.

But, c'mon. This guy's father took his wife hostage in his house and told the police that he was going to blow them both up with explosives.

Don't you think that law student having to deal with this might want to be just left alone for a few days until this settles down? Does he really need to have his family story transplanted throughout the legal community--much less throughout the law school campus?

Bad taste, I think.

(And seriously, the criticisms of the writing are justified. It took me a while to try and figure out what this was all about. There are only three people on this blog, Elie. You don't need to rush a post up without reading it to make sure that nobody else beats you to it.)

law students are assholes, and that is why this guy felt compelled to ask for an extension prior to this sitch being resolved....any chance to exercise their "editorial power" in denying this kid's entry b/c no one would go with them to their senior prom would fuel the psycho-superiority complex that plagues law students.

Blah, blah.

102 again. Reading some of the recent comments, it's not clear if they're serious or parodies.

If you are suffering from a condition - medical, emotional, whatever - that impairs you, and you can get an adjournment/extension on an imminent matter until you're better, I think your duty to your client requires you to do so. It's not a matter of being unable to do the work, it's a matter of being better for the client in most cases that either someone else does the work or it gets adjourned/extended if possible.

If, the day before I was due in court (or due to do an examination, or whatever), my spouse suffered a severe head injury, or a family member was taken hostage, or something similarly traumatic, I would be very, very far from 100%. My fiduciary duty to my client is such that in my view I would be obligated to explain the situation and try to obtain an adjournment of the proceeding at least for a day. In some circumstances someone else at my firm who was familiar with the file could handle the matter.

Of course, sometimes no adjournment/extension would be possible or the matter would be so time-sensitive and I'd have to do the best I could. But IF I could get more time to recover emotionally, it would be in the best interests of my client that I do so. Personal interest and client interest would coincide.

A rather different and much more common example, if you're doing a trial or appeal (or even a contested motion), your duty to your client requires you to be prepared - which includes getting enough sleep so you can think on your feet. If it's unusual circumstances or quia timet or you just got the file or you suffer insomnia or something that may be different, but you better not be up late working on other files or you are deliberately acting contrary to the interest of your client. I once told a more senior lawyer (who asked me, in the early evening to do something that night) that I wouldn't be able to that night because I had to be in court first thing in the morning. Not the most political thing to do, but given the work I still had to do, ethics and duty to the client required it.

Blah, blah

102/182:

Your first post was interesting. Your second was god awful.

Elie, you apparently felt it was relevant to out the identiy of the student who is suffering through this horrible tragedy in your post.

In retrospect however, I would say it's more relevant and "newsworthy" (is that a standard this site subscribes to?) to out the identiy of the person who emailed you. People don't really have any right to know, or interest in knowing, the identiy of the student who's parents went through this. But I would say that people in the legal community DO have an interest in knowing the identiy of whatever scumbag leaked that so we can avoid him like the plague in practice.

Did the leaker request anonymity? If not, then there's DEFINATELY no reason at all not to let us know who leaked it.

Fair is fair.

Yes! Yes! Out the leaker!

Okay, obviously ATL is not about to take down this story.

But Elie, come on, did you have to be a complete ass when writing about it?

Instead of cracking jokes about killing off fake grandparents, could you either report this from the serious viewpoint that it deserves?

A kid has been placed in the most fucked-up situation one might imagine, and the best empathy you can muster is to describe it as "troubles back on the home front," "We hope the 2L received that extension -- and that everything turns out okay," and "All's well that ends well"?

Seriously?

Hey, maybe in reality you feel awful for the student, maybe you lost sleep all night worrying, and maybe ATL sent the student encouraging hopeful emails of support or whatever. I don't know. But you sure as hell didn't show much sympathy in your writing.

187, i agree. If you look at the front page of the Courant this morning (the house they were in burned down), you can see how completely tragic this was. It certainly wasn't something to laugh at. Regardless of whether or not you were right in posting it, the way you discussed it was fucking disgusting.

185 -- riiiight. ATL is going to out the the person who leaked, thus jeopardizing chances that people in the future will leak juicy stories to them?

I didn't think it was that big of a deal for ATL to have run the story. It was already being covered by mainstream media, so the genie was clearly out of the bottle, parents' names and all. Whoever on the editorial board leaked the 2L's involvement to ATL is quite the asshat, but I don't see anything inappropriate in ATL covering it. It's clearly law-related, and it's clearly gossipy. The site is "a legal tabloid" for a reason. If anything, ATL's policy preventing the disclosure the 2L's name -- to avoid having this story come up in a Google search for the 2L's name -- is quite responsible, and frankly, I don't think ATL can (or should) be expected to stick to news stories where no participant suffers a personal impact. I have my criticisms of Mystal, but this is one story I do not have a problem with.

185/187 are spot on. This site sucks, and the asshat who leaked the reasons for that extension request should be completely ashamed of him-/herself.

I assume 175 is satire. If not, kill yourself. Law Reviews are a joke. No one outside the academy actually reads them. That article you spent months polishing? Yeah, maybe your parents read it if they're huge geeks, otherwise its just filler on a bookshelf somewhere.

My reputation of your site just plummeted! Have some integrity, idiot.

My reputation of your site just plummeted! Have some integrity, idiot.

193 = Opposite world Mystal. Great sentiment, horrible execution. Or brilliant execution if thats what you intended... in which case, Bravo.

@190 -- it isn't so much ATL posting this story, but rather the manner in which it was written.

Halfhearted empathy, poor writing, lame jokes -- these all contribute to people being upset about this post.

"It was already being covered by mainstream media, so the genie was clearly out of the bottle, "

Sophistry.

The media didn't report that either of the two people involved were the parents of a law student at UConn. And for good reason, its not relevant to the story. Were it not for the leak to ATL, and the idiotic decision to post it, we'd never know about the student.

Is ATL going to report on every tragic situation that involves a family member of a lawyer/law student?

Wow, I was hoping this post would be down. F you, MysTTTal.

197 -- I actually think this *was* an interesting story and that ATL's angle was quite interesting.

The problem was how ATL treated the information they received, writing with poor humor and tactlessness.

200th person to say Elie, you did a poor job here.

HEY ATL "EDITORS" -- WHY DID YOU TAKE DOWN THE COMMENTS ON YOUR AXA SPONSORED EVENT. IS IT BECAUSE PEOPLE RAISED SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF AXA ADVISORS AND THEIR DUBIOUS MARKETING TACTICS AT BIG LAW FIRMS. You all purport to be the subversive rumormill of big law and yet you censor negative comments about your sponsors. I wonder what stories you've declined to publish about big firm sponsors of yours...

197, if the story is that interesting, just read the media reports, why drag the law student into it?

When I was a 2L a woman from my 1L section lost her brother in a violent fashion (drug and gang related), to my recollection she missed a few days of class, I'm sure she mentioned to her professors the reason for her absence, would ATL report that if the "interesting" story was leaked to them?

The EIC involved is a summer at Skadden. I wonder how they feel about a prospective employee pulling such underhanded bullshit? Well, maybe we're about to find out.

Yeah this was real poor judgment on the EIC's part. I served as the managing editor of my school's law review and we were held to the strictest confidentiality when it came to the write-on. He should be removed from his post.

On a side note, David Saint Hubbins = Worst ATL Character...

Do people even read prior posts (203-204 I'm looking in your direction)? We don't know the EIC leaked anything, and the Skadden guy is likely last year's EIC. Jesus.

204 here again, this story is all over the wire:

http://news.aol.com/article/shenkman-divorce-hostage/559872?icid=main|main|dl1|link2|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fshenkman-divorce-hostage%2F559872

This EIC REALLLLLLY messed up big time. Not only is it super easy to figure out his identity but now everyone's only a click away from figuring out who this poor rising 2L is. This kid really deserves a public apology and the EIC should be expelled from school.

Looks like another great hire for that dump of a firm Skadden

Valid point 205. It looks like the masthead is from the December 2008 issue. That being said, whoever leaked this still has to appear on that masthead as a staffer. It shouldn't be hard to figure out who is the rising EIC.

205 -- How would last year's EIC be a summer at Skadden? Even if he was a first year, he's likely studying for the bar right now, no? Not sitting around at the drop-off.

Also, there are 4 journals involved in this competition. This could have been leaked by someone in a group comprised of upwards of 15-20 people.

205, apologies but I actually work at a good firm that still has work for me to do each day. It would be impossible to each one of the 203 earlier posts. Sounds like you're working hard, though...

204

My interpretation is that being taken hostage prevented the student's mother from finishing the article that the student was planning to submit to the LR. Clearly a case of force majeur, as the student presumably had no way of getting the draft to her mother for a final markup without putting herself in danger of being discovered.

It's a shame, because, as another poster pointed out, the mother presumably had quite a bit of time on her hands during the day without the distractions of work. In addition, she was able to leave the house at 8:30pm which is likely within the deadline for submission.

Glad everything worked out OK (except for the house being burned to the ground - which is quite shitty as it appears to be the second time this dumbass has fucked his wife over like that).
--
East Texas PI

* impossible to "read" each one of...

-204

EIC of law review is a douche. Im not saying that b/c of this leak. Im saying this b/c I know him.... not surprised

LOL at 210

and I repeat (212, 208, 207, 206 and everyone else droaning on and on about how egregious this leak is blablabla) law students are assholes.

209 apparently your firm isn't good enough to not hire people that ignorantly jump to conclusions. Great judgment there buddy.

What makes you think the EIC is even involved? Elie took down the reference last night...are you picking and choosing which posts to read?

Dealbreaker has a link to theday.com (seems to be a local news outlet contacted by the hostage taker). Video shows conversations between him and a reporter.

Sounds like one scary sob.

Scoll down to the end of the post at http://dealbreaker.com/2009/07/opening-bell-070809.php

There is absolutely NO WAY that the EIC of the Law Review was the one that alerted ATL to the situation. He is a super nice and professional person. It is completely unfair to slander his reputation and try to identify him in the comments when all people have are suspicions. There are definitely a few other "characters" at UCONN Law that are way more likely to have pulled this asshole move.

Ugh, you guys are such LAWYERS. Relax. If your parents holding each other hostage isn't a good enough excuse for an extension, I don't know WHAT is.

UCONN EIC = D-bag

214 = Unemployed D-bag

UCONN has a very good basketball team, so I don't see how any of this is a big deal.

208:

"Also, there are 4 journals involved in this competition. This could have been leaked by someone in a group comprised of upwards of 15-20 people."

Wrong. Even with the joint competition, the universe of people who, of right, know the competitors' names, is Conn. L. Rev. EIC and CompE. I've known their predecessors to delegate to one or two others, but not to other journals.

Aside from topic selection, the competition is essentially the Law Review's show.

178 you are an idiot

220:

Fair. When do we get to leak the names of the people who sent out any emails related to the competition?

208

218 (204/211) = D-bag that can't admit when he's wrong.

For the record, UConn has a joint write-on competition run by the editors from 4 different journals, so it isn't necessarily the Law Review EIC who sent the email to ATL, could have been some fucktard from the Insurance Law Journal or the International Law Journal, for instance....

Love to see a bunch of lawyers, or want-to-be lawyers, jumping to conclusions with no evidence of any sort. This type of decision could not have been made by one person in a joint write on competition, and once you have multiple people with the information, there is no way to know how it got leaked. It is just as unfair and absurd to the EIC to try to out him without knowing he is the guilty party as it is for ATL to put the story up in the first place.

224, you should try and read some other comments, especially the one four above yours, at 220.

While the competition is to write on to any of the 4 journals, the whole process is administered by the Law Review. There are generally only 3-or-4 people allowed to have any contact with competitors, such as the EIC and the Competition Editor. So therefore, either one of those few leaked to ATL, or one of them told someone else, who told ATL. Either way it's a huge breach of that student's trust and confidentiality, and the party responsible should (at the very least) be stripped of their role in the Law Review. I would also recommend that such an act be noted when the student's official university forms go before the Bar Examining Committee.

From what I can see, most people are commenting on how the EIC is many different things mentioned above in a myriad of comments, but no one has mentioned how the link to the story now shows that the house burned down...that might be a good excuse for an extension now, in and of itself...hmm.

104 is correct. The current EIC is an incredibly thoughtful person and overall a great guy. He did not leak the story.

anyone think maybe the rising 2L might have mentioned her personal trauma and the write-on and the extension request to friends? that's where I'd look for the leak. No law review editor is stupid enough to leak this shit.

229--Are you suggesting that the rising 2L forwarded the email to her friends who then passed it along to ATL? Elie is clearly referencing an email. Furthermore, are her friends confirming to ATL that she received the extension? Because this post seems to have additional info about the 2L's situation. This seems like the doing of the Law Review. Regardless, I'm pretty confident that we'll know the ID of the leaker soon. UCONN is a small school, and this sort of thing is easily verifiable.

230 - I'm suggesting the 2L said to friends, "because of my situation, I emailed the law review to ask for an extension." Elie didn't say she saw an email.
Anyone on a law review would know this stuff is confidential, but a rising 2L who has this family tragedy all over the news and has never lived through a write-on and journal membership wouldn't know that he/she shouldn't say anything about the extension request to 'friends' (i.e. every other casual acquaintance fellow rising 2L).
think for a second - what possible rationale would a law review editor have for leaking this? I can't come up with any.

"what possible rationale would a law review editor have for leaking this?"

What possible rationale would an SBA officer have for putting on a "Bullets and Bubbly" party, for the purposes of allowing his overwhelmingly caucasian constituency get its black on?

UConn has had some high profile student and faculty screwups lately (this situation, white kids playing black, pervert professor suspended for showing "Really Really Pimpin in da South"). Small wonder it has gone from 33 to 52 in US News in the last decade.

OK, so you're just a hater. Just so long as you aren't deluding yourself into thinking the most rationally likely scenario is that a law review editor leaked this story.

@ 232 - get it right. bullets and bubbly was many things including wrong, but it wasn't hosted by an SBA officer.

Blue House losers, SBA officers, hard to differentiate them in my old age.

@235: Best comment today.

@ 235 - man, someone is both very uninformed and obviously still a little sad at not being invited to any social gatherings. it wasn't at the blue house either - that got sold many moons ago.

@ 235 - man, someone is both very uninformed and obviously still a little sad at not being invited to any social gatherings. it wasn't at the blue house either - that got sold many moons ago.

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My guess is that this (the decision whether to grant an extension) was not a unilateral decision on the part of the EIC or Competition Editor. I'm guessing they held a meeting of the entire E-board to discuss, making the culprit one of several people.

237,

You can take the losers out of the Blue House, but you can't take the Blue House out of the losers.

--235

Blue House? You mean the one on Fern? We always referred to it as Rape House, because the guys who lived there were a creepy group of date rapists.

BTW - that street was blocked off and noone was allowed in. The houses closest were evacuated. The power was cut off to the whole neighborhood. Maybe the kid needing the extension just couldn't get in or out or email and wasn't actually related to these people.

232:

As several people have pointed out, the party was not thrown by an SBA officer. In fact, did you hear what students did in response to it? They had a "cracker" party and many of them posted "offensive things" about "white people" to their facebook profiles. Of course you don't hear about this on the news or in the blogs. And I'm sure you didn't hear about how only a handful of people chose to wear distasteful outfits to the party (I believe you called it "white kids dressing black" - really sophisticated language, you obviously have a law degree from a stellar school) because most of the people who showed up had no idea it was a "themed" party. I'm sure you also didn't know that most people were dressed as "white" icons: Eminem, Fred Durst, etc. So go ahead, make uninformed comments about a situation you know nothing about because that will really solve the problem.

Further, the professor at UConn was dismissed for a semester because he failed to correct a comment another STUDENT said - not for his video presentation. The professor was hoping, in his words, for a "true market place of ideas" where "the wrong only enhances the right" but instead got a student who did not confront or respond to the person who made the hurtful remark but went straight to the administration.

And don't throw the EIC under the bus. He is someone for whom I can and will personally vouch. Yes, there are some "bad apples" at UConn and the Bullets and Bubbly party was a bad idea, racism is bad, and leaking this story was bad. But let's be honest, there are "bad apples" at every law school. (See the Blue House.)

Oh and UConn dropped in the rankings largely because it is mandatory to include the evening division in the calculations. Again, get your facts straight.

Sooo...UConn's drop in the rankings has nothing to do with a failure to attract top talent that may or may not want to have anything to do with the tools that are now part of the Bullets and Bubbly story, in addition to this one (presumably all day students), and all to do with evening students?

245 -

No, but it certainly didn't help. UConn uses lower standards to admit night students - they've even admitted as much. See: http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121971712700771731.html

UConn Law admits students to the evening program as an auxiliary way to get more students in, period. Very often those who don't qualify for the full time program are offered a slot in the evening division. This year, for the first time ever US News started factoring in those students with a ranking. That article linked to above, dated August 2008, predicts that under the new methodology of including evening students, UConn's rank would fall from #46 to "low-50s (tier 2)." Seems that's pretty much exactly what happened.

Moreover, UConn's career services is a joke, and the hiring of Jeremy Paul as Dean was less-than-impressive. That, and the fact that for whatever reason UConn Law seems to value diversity over quality (for example, please see the joke that is the "Diversity Recruiting Program") all add up to an inability to attract top talent.

231--> I did not respond at 232. But now that someone has brought up the rankings and diversity, I would just like to say :

1) UCONN has difficulty retaining "diverse" people, because of the ignorance they encounter as students. See above comments. I mean really.. Who would CHOOSE CT over a D.C. or a NY. Don't flatter yourself.

2) The school has been declining for years. Don't blame the rankings decline on diversity or the evening program. Quality professors have been escaping for years. The consensus is that no one chooses to be at that school.

3) 246->Absolutely agree that Career Services is a joke, but to imply that diversity and quality are mutually exclusive is really ignorant. See point 1.

4) And finally, God help the state of CT. It has some really special, ignorant people. With some of these comments, I don't know how the school or the state is going to be competitive in the 21st century DIVERSE marketplace. Diversity is $$. Clients demand it. Plain and simple.

247 got rejected from the evening division and goes to New England School of Law.

246 - Actually Ellen Rutt's comment in the WSJ is to the effect that UConn Law has long had a part-time program for all the right reasons, and has not used the part-time program to massage the rankings. UConn Law has not 'admitted as much' - it has disputed as much. Other schools and deans are mentioned as examples of gaming the system.
The fact is, if you go to UConn Law, you have no one to blame but yourself if your career sucks. If you don't know how to do well academically and how to pursue professional success, that's on you. You'll need to rely on your own skills after graduation so get used to it.

249 = Evening student.

You should probably just get used to the idea that everyone in the day division hates your guts.

Law school admissions standards should be the same for all divisions. If you can't make the grade at Uconn Law, go to Western NE or Quinipiac. If 2/3 of the part-time division goes full-time after a year, then there's a game being played, whether UConn Law dean intends it or not.

To all the haters of the evening program:

We are demonstrably as smarttt as you. But we don't work as hard during that oh-so-critical first year, and we pay less for our degrees. And, if we transfer to the day program after our first year, we compete with you for jobs, which makes some of you really mad (query: why are you upset at our inferior competition unless you can't handle it?) And then some of us get some of those jobs that only you were supposed to get: at Skadden. Goodwin. Shipman. Robinson Cole. Because, as we worked less at law school and paid less to attend law school, we got better grades than you did at law school. I understand the hate; it is rational.

Warmest Regards,
Forever Anon

252 -

You nailed it. The fact that evening students take a half-course load in their first year, then get to enter fall OCI with inflated grades due to having twice as much time to study (not to mention competing with real evening students, who are attending law school part time because they have full time jobs) makes everyone else here hate you. It's okay, because we all realize that if you made the cut into the day division in the first place, you'd likely be scraping the bottom of the 3rd quintile, or even down in the 4th and 5th with all the public interest students and wannabe activists.

The way I figure it, you've got several options, 253:

1. Bitch about it until you graduate and practice and realize that whether you started evening and transferred, started evening and graduated evening or started day and graduated day means jack shit when you're practicing. But what does matter is an attitude that always looks for a sacrificial lamb to slay when the going gets tough and life isn't fair. That gets noticed, unfortunately for you.

2. Ask yourself why you didn't, upon acceptance into the day program, immediately request transfer into the evening program in order to (A) give yourself a leg up on job competition and (B) pay less for that first year.

3. Work harder. After all, the day students who compete for jobs against transferees and earned their spots, did so because they worked harder and longer than you did. The ones who complain are the ones who didn't get the jobs they felt they were entitled to, or didn't get jobs because others were unfairly competing against them-in any case, the rationale always starts with the others, not with the self.

4. Finally, you assume, implicitly, that employers do not find out within the first interview (if not earlier at Fall OCI wine/dine events) that some of the candidates they may interview transferred in. You also assume, implicitly, that those employers do not give any weight to the fact that some of the interviewees may have had more time to study and a lighter workload. Any evidence for any of these assumptions?

5. Finally, you assume that if we admittedly less harried, less financially-strapped-with-law-school loans students had been admitted to your august day division, we would not fair as well as those who were worthy to be members of that privileged club. Problem: how do you distinguish between those who are transferring after working full-time through their first year in the evening program and quitting their jobs to attend law school, from those who had no responsibilities, whether filial or employment?

Warmest Regards,
An employed 252

Ahh, 254. I shall respond to your inquiries, in the order in which they were proposed.

1. Who's looking for a sacrificial lamb? I actually have graduated, am studying for the bar, and have a job that I attained through hard work and study. I was merely pointing out the obvious - that everyone at the law school hates the evening program. And saying that the law school's ranking dropped because of the evening programs isn't "looking for a sacrificial lamb," it's merely restating what US NEWS TOLD US THEY WERE GOING TO DO. I don't know how you can doubt that the reason the UConn dropped in the US News rankings is due to the evening program when US News informed everyone that's exactly what would happen.

2. Because nobody knows until they go through first year what an advantage the evening division can be.

3. I graduated in the top quintile (well, I think I did, since the law school has been slow at releasing the final rankings for grads this year), I was on LR, and I generally took care of my business. So I worked plenty hard, thanks.

4. Employers don't find out. I know this for a fact. A friend of mine who went the evening division route got all kinds of great OCI interviews. On one of them, a perceptive interviewer asked "why didn't you take Property and Constitutional Law in your first year?" My friend informed this interviewer that he was a member of the evening/part-time division. The interviewer had quite the change of tone after that.

The point being, UConn doesn't distinguish on transcripts the fact that someone was part time or full time their first year. If they did, I think you'd see fewer evening students getting interviews.

5. I assume that you wouldn't do as well simply because you weren't admitted to the higher standard applied to the day program. It's kind of like how I assume that if you dropped people who were admitted to BC into a Harvard class, they'd fare poorly. You get my drift.

Bottom line: everyone who isn't evening hates you, even your friends in the day division who claim they don't. Everyone more or less assumes that whatever gains you achieve are due to the fact that you goldbricked your way through your first year. It's just something you have to live with.

255,

Fuck you, asshole.

Love,
Evening division grad sometime this decade, with honors, law review, and a six figure job at graduation and now.

wow, that last conversation was pitiful - how does a story about a student whose father kidnapped her mother and burned down her house turn into day/night student bashing? anyone heard of this crazy thing called perspective?

and what's pitiful is people killing themselves to play the game - growing balls is knowing your limits and maturely handing your responsibilities. this student had balls/ovaries - integrity, i think is what they called it in the old days - to contact the journal in the midst of this insanity and let them know she took the competition, and therefore her career, seriously. Half of you are saying she shouldn't have been thinking about that, some of you nutjobs are saying she should have just done it, the reality is she did *near*-exactly the right thing - the only mistake she made is, she should have gone through her dean of students to retain her anonymity. then, only the EIC would have known, and we could all roast his/her head on a stick. :)

man, i really hope this profession implodes and the staff of this website has to go figure out what life is about. this is my last time reading ATL. goodbye and good luck!

255,

What makes you think I get my friends from law school? Are you nuts?

Sincerely,
252/254

at 255-
wrong. transcripts do say your division.

255 - as anyone who has taken intro undergrad psychology could tell you, only people with underdeveloped brains assert things like 'everyone hates you.' It demonstrates that you can't imagine how anyone might think differently then you. This actually is an intellectual skill that is a prerequisite to being a good lawyer. Did you really get through UConn Law?

@ 255 - so do you hate all the evening students, or just the ones who don't work full-time? How do you all feel about those of us in the evening division who worked full-time throughout law school?

- 2008 evening student graduate, worked full-time throughout school

most day students do hate the evening students though

Okay, seriously? There are people here trying to assert that working 50+ hours a week at their full-time jobs, in addition to spending at least 4 evenings a week and the entirety of their weekends on classwork and journal/law review work, has an easier time in law school? (And that's not including taking care of kids and spouses.) An easier time than those that take 1 or 2 additional classes (skip most of them) and party on daddy's law school dole?

The gaming of the system goes both ways. What about all the day students that take evening classes because they are, allegedly, good for the GPA?

Fact is, this whole discussion is based on the premise that some day students think they really should have been admitted to HLS, and all evening students should be counting their lucky stars for having not been rejected from UConn outright. It's not as if UConn Law is rejecting throngs of highly-qualified candidates for admission to the day program (which comprises, what, 80% of the campus?) in order to keep an evening program open and accessible to working professionals, or simply give some people a chance. They build a class based on the the applications they receive.

i think we can all agree on one thing: those mba fuckers have it so easy.

As a current day student at UConn Law, I can tell you that this whole discourse is shameful and disingenuous. The fact that someone leaked this information is disgusting. But to reach a conclusion based on no evidence is not only morally reprehensible, but possibly illegal. As for the rest of this hate filled commentary, it is a sad,sad reflection that people like this will inhabit the legal profession. People who rip on other people for no reason and delight in others' hardship are the reason why many people hate lawyers. Rankings, grades, and other "prestigious" things matter for your first job, then your integrity and skill determine your success. The operators of this website, the leakers, and most of the people who posted before are nothing more than animals.

265,

bravo

Last, bitches!

Hofstra 6L

178--did she die complexly?

Your righteous indignation shows a serous lack
of cognitive ability--to imply the person involved
is not ballsy enough.

I think you and your wife were both injured in the accident and you have severe psycho-motor retardation.

Moreover, I think you should follow the lead of the New Englander student and sue the
school because said organic disability--among
others--prevented your successful write-on.

Tally ho!

I blame Dean Jeremy Paul, solely and exclusively, for UConn Law's drop in rankings.