DLA Piper: Pushes Back Current Summers Like Weil, Delays 2010 Summer Recruiting Like Orrick
DLA Piper, one of the biggest law firms in the country (and the world), has added its voice to the changing nature of Biglaw summer programs.
In a letter sent to law school deans and career service officers (and obtained by Above the Law), DLA Piper announced it was deferring its current summers and delaying recruiting for new summers.
For current summers, the program is similar to the one Weil Gotshal announced earlier this month. The earliest 2009 summer associates will be able to start is January 2011, and they will be encouraged to take a deferral and not start until January 2012. Here’s how the DLA memo puts it:
One result of these deferrals is that our current summer associates would start at the firm at approximately the same time as the Fellowship participants from our class of 2009, creating another potential class that may exceed demand. While we proactively reduced the size of our summer class for 2009 to half the size of the Summer 2008 class, the start date changes require that we adjust the start dates for this class as well. We have therefore made the decision to make offers to this Summer’s class in generally the same manner as the last class. We will make offers to our summer associates of 2009 soon after the program ends, and the offers will be for a January 2011 start date. We expect that some portion of the class will be encouraged to participate in a Fellowship program during 2011, further deferring the expected start date to January 2012 for some. We plan to keep these offers open until the NALP deadline of November 15.
That is bad news for summers that are currently at DLA, but it also means that summers who want to go to DLA will have to wait their turn.
More details after the jump.
In addition to pushing back the class of 2010, DLA also announced that it is joining Orrick’s crusade to make decisions about next year’s summer program as late as possible:
As for our Fall 2009 recruiting for the Summer 2010 class, it will begin after November 15, 2009. Moving our recruiting schedule to later in the Fall will allow us to take into account the responses to our offers from the current class before hiring for our 2010 summer program. While we are shifting our recruiting period and will not be interviewing on campus later this Summer or early Fall, we do plan to be on campus and in contact with students in our usual manner - participating in mediation and trial advocacy programs and other coaching sessions, providing resume review and critiques, offering office open houses and other events. It is critically important to us to maintain our relationships with law schools and to offer opportunities to as many of our talented recruits as possible. Recruiting and retaining talented associates remains central to our ability to serve clients well now and in the future.
Why would you commit to the class of 2011 until you are forced into a decision?
Of course, assuming that firms like DLA and Orrick still hire summer associates for 2010, and defer them to 2012 or beyond, eventually all of these deferrals are going to have to catch up with the firms. Either the firms will have to greatly reduce the number of summers hired or offers extended, or at some point they will have to accept a huge class of first-year attorneys. Nobody really wants to turn law school into a four-year experience where the fourth year is spent hiding out in a public interest organization.
The ever-dwindling list of firms who will be hiring rising 2Ls this fall for 2010 summer programs means that competition during this OCI season should reach gladiatorial proportions. You’re going to see 2Ls standing outside of hotel rooms while Tyler Durden berates them, all fall.
Is it even worth wishing for a 1L summer associate gig? The class of 2011 might be the “lost generation,” but what are we calling the class of 2012?
Check out the full memo below.
DLA PIPER — MEMORANDUM — ON-CAMPUS RECRUITING
Earlier this year, we recognized that the demand for legal services was unlikely to rebound swiftly, and that our Summer 2008 incoming class was larger than the demand for work would sustain. In order to provide the new associates with meaningful work, DLA Piper decided to postpone the start dates for the class of 2009 from October 2009 to January 2010. We also created a Public Interest Fellowship program for a portion of the class members, giving them the opportunity and assistance to work and gain experience outside the firm in 2010, while contributing to the public good. Those class members who agreed to take the Fellowship will receive a $60,000 stipend for the calendar year 2010. The response to the Fellowship program has been positive and a large portion of the incoming class will devote themselves to Fellowship opportunities before joining the Firm in January 2011.
One result of these deferrals is that our current summer associates would start at the firm at
approximately the same time as the Fellowship participants from our class of 2009, creating another potential class that may exceed demand. While we proactively reduced the size of our summer class for 2009 to half the size of the Summer 2008 class, the start date changes require that we adjust the start dates for this class as well. We have therefore made the decision to make offers to this Summer’s class in generally the same manner as the last class. We will make offers to our summer associates of 2009 soon after the program ends, and the offers will be for a January 2011 start date. We expect that some portion of the class will be encouraged to participate in a Fellowship program during 2011, further deferring the expected start date to January 2012 for some. We plan to keep these offers open until the NALP deadline of November 15.
As for our Fall 2009 recruiting for the Summer 2010 class, it will begin after November 15, 2009. Moving our recruiting schedule to later in the Fall will allow us to take into account the responses to our offers from the current class before hiring for our 2010 summer program. While we are shifting our recruiting period and will not be interviewing on campus later this Summer or early Fall, we do plan to be on campus and in contact with students in our usual manner - participating in mediation and trial advocacy programs and other coaching sessions, providing resume review and critiques, offering office open houses and other events. It is critically important to us to maintain our relationships with law schools and to offer opportunities to as many of our talented recruits as possible. Recruiting and retaining talented associates remains central to our ability to serve clients well now and in the future.
These are unsettling times; the law firms that manage carefully through this period will be stronger and fit for the future. DLA Piper had a very solid year in comparison to competitors and we expect also to finish this year well in light of the economy. We would welcome discussions with you should you have questions about anything covered in this letter. Please contact me, any of our local office hiring partners
or any member of our recruiting team.
Earlier: Weil Gotshal Defers Current Summer Associates to 2011 or 2012
Breaking: Orrick Overhauls On-Campus Recruiting




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I've made a huge mistake
DEAD. FINITO. OVER. are just some of the words that can be used to describe the class of 2010 and 2011.
So in this terrible economic climate, DLA is asking its current summers to graduate early and start this January? I think you fucked up the dates.....
Top 10! WOOOOOH!
What's this I hear about a ship? It's floating, right?
date comprehension fail
Does anyone still think that DLA isn't a TTT?
FIRST to point out that the ship sinking is NOT individual law firms but the class of 2010 and even more so, 2011.
It is getting really sad to read these deferral memos.
Relax people. Once the economy starts churning again, all these firms will contact their summers and ask them to start sooner than previously announced. I'm sure it'll be done with much fanfare.
This is a no lose for firms to announce this now because so many places are doing it. The upside, they'll look like heroes when current summers dont have to wait a year and a half to start. That, or 2010 and 2011 are screwed.
6 - Huh?
Elie,
Your inability to comprehend dates is surpassed only by your inability to understand racial issues.
Hugs,
ATL community.
DLA Pooper
Who would you rather bang, the first or the second mom from the fresh prince of belaire?
Les Nessman : Dr. Johnny Fever as Legal Employment : ?
*ATL community informs Elie about how much he sucks*
*Elie comments and asks them not to ruin it for him, then deletes his tearful plea*
*Elie continues to suck*
*ATL community continues to inform Elie about how much he sucks*
10: epic moron
12 - Did the errors get fixed? What is wrong here?
18,
Yes, along with several posts pointing out the date error. Oh well. Elie strikes again.
Jesus. What will it take for Lat to see that Elie has the mental capacity of an eight year old and is not fit to edit a legal blog? No matter how many times he fucks up in a single day, he keeps coming back and fucking up some more!
At this point, I think Elie would need to take a shit on Lat's desk, pick it up, slap Lat in the face WITH the shit, then run over to Kash and kick her in the ass lobster, in order for Lat to even entertain the possibility of admitting the Elie experiment was a failure, and replacing him with a freshly laid off Biglaw attorney who can spell, write, and think like an adult.
The ship done sunk.
If you want to be a lawyer, you will have to scratch and kick to find your own clients, and when you have business, some mid-size law firm will take you in.
If you are saddled with 100K + of debt, the sooner you accept that If you sock 20k a year off of the debt, you may eventually have a life, the less time you will waste. You only make 40k? You'll take home 30, and you need roommates. And public transport. Life's a bitch, but you will be paying that debt one way or tuther. Grow up NOW.
How you like me now?
17,
Actually, thats based on my experience - when the economy soured in 2000 (you were probably pimple faced high schooler) and was devastated by sept 11, accounting firms and consulting firms, and yes, even i-banks, did exactly what firms are doing now - they deferred and rescinded offers. It wasn't an ideal situation, but once the economy picked up the rescinded offerees were called up, the deferred offers were called up.
Wake up, son. Law is no different than any other industry. This isn't "unprecedented" as many on here claim. Just sit tight and take care of your business.
It seems like anyone seeking to get back in the game is the truly lost class of upcoming lawyers. No firm needs to go through this elaborate deferral scheme just in case the economy magically turns around given the thousands of lawyers who've been laid off in the last nine months and are ready and willing to start on a moment's notice.
Why is holding on to the Class of 2010 and the Class of 2011 more valuable than just obliterating their chances and starting fresh with the Class of 2012? Are firm ties to law schools that significant? Are laterals second-class lawyers? I would think laterals have a better history of sticking with the firm for the long haul than first years generally do.
DLA has to be one of the worst firms in the country. Every time I get on this site, DLA has taken another set of drastic measures to stay afloat. I concur: DLA Pooper
22= racist.
At this point, DLA is nothing but a bad joke.
The ship be sinking...
10/23: I am 49 years old, and have been a V10 partner for 14 years. Your 'experience' would be....?
I am a Seton Hall summer at Orrick. I AM NOT SCARED!!!!
Here's an interesting post from yesterday:
"I think the global economy is in much worse shape than popularly understood, and we are, right now, in the eye of the hurricane.
The world in general is in effect running down its savings while living in mom's basement. Even china is increasing its money supply at absurd rates to paper over the problems. Japan's manufactured exports are down 40%. Forty effing percent. Last time that happened we were fire bombing their cities.
I think the economic news is going to be horrendous starting in late sept and running through to march. Many big European banks are in worse shape than any US bank (I'm looking at you ING). And China is this depression's version of the US in the 30s (major creditor, major exporter, absolutely crushed by the slowdown). The US is the great depression's version of the UK (has been manufacturer, world's financial center, did ok in the depression relatively speaking).
You are going to see a series of melt downs (CIT is the tip of the iceberg, and CIT hasn't fixed its cash flow problems, it just deferred them). Big European banks, GM and Chrysler back for more, Citibank blowing up, etc etc.
So when in this corner of the world - law firms - starts reporting law firm meltdowns in oct, it will seem trivial by comparison (unless you work there). My guess is that by jan next a law firm dissolving will be as routine as a layoff announcement is now. Indeed it will start to seem normal.
One thing you will see as a positive is rainmakers leaving to start their own firms - boys and girls, send them your resumes, they might actually have some work, especially if you are willing to live on 60k for a year or two.
Law firms have levered themselves in four ways:
Borrowings against receivables to "smooth" out cash flow.
Real estate
Retirement payments to senior partners
Guaranteed payments to big lateral rainmakers
Cutting any of these will be very tough, and they will get cut in reverse order:
first, the big laterals who aren't bringing in the dough will be "talked to" and they will discover the word guaranteed doesn't mean what they think it means
second, the retirees will be cut back (temporary and all that, plus pointing out that the payments are uninsured and no one remembers what the hell they did for the firm anymore anyway)
Landlords will be squeezed, but this one is tougher because big landlords are toast anyway, and are big, and are happy to sue. Picture trying to stiff the Donald, for example.
Last, and fatal, is the bank debt.
Some firms don't have much of the last, but all big firms have all of the other three forms of leverage.
If I was in law school right now, I would finish (unless I was, say, and engineer, in which case I would be interviewing just to see), but I would get ready for some extended periods of eating ramen noodles (get some kind of a non law job if need be and maybe do pro bono or contract work on the side so when the economy turns your resume has something on it other than being a greeter at home depo. Free legal work looks better than no legal work. Write some articles, etc. keep busy).
If I wasn't in law school I would put it off for a couple of years.
It's a shitstorm out there folks."
I think all the laid off and deferred attorneys, plus the shit out of luck summers, should form an organization where each can sell their bodies by the hour for the fun and enjoyment of those who have jobs and earn money. Prostitution is just fine. It's been around for as long as human history. Wake up kids. Time to fuck.
32,
Isn't that what the non laid off/deferred attorneys are doing? Direct competition.
Has anyone else heard that Sullivan is only going to hold offers open for two weeks this year (instead of NALP's policy of 45 days?)
@29 I completely agree with 10/23. It's going to come back, and these deferred associates will receive calls to come back to work sooner than their projected start dates.
It's happened in I-banking, Defense, Consulting, Accounting, and now it' s happening in Law.
10, 23, 35---you all seem to share the belief that we're in the midst of a normal economic downturn that has a predictable path to recovery. And all indications are that that is simply not the case.
31,
Interesting selection you posted. Whoever wrote that original post, I agree with completely -- the acute economic problems have subsided for now (i.e., thanks to TARP, banks at least appear to investors to have enough capital on the books) but nothing is being done to address the serious, material flaws in our economy. The 40% decrease in Chinese exports you refer to is significant. And how about the 10+% unemployed in the U.S.? The market is on a short term rally the last few weeks, but if anyone thinks we're headed back to DOW 14000 with double digit unemployment, think again. TARP and these various other short term government programs are wonderful to prevent a depression, but they are a far cry from offering a long-term, sustainable economic platform from which the nation can thrive. It's great to see that Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are back to offering the same bonus packages today that they did pre-2008, but It just proves how unreflective bank profits are of the general state of the economy. That's why when financial institutions and other industries that were near death 8 months ago are touting their blow-out earnings now, I shudder. How quickly we have found ourselves on the same path that brought us to the brink, with no real change to the economy at large.
DLgAy
Lat can't fire Ellie. Ellie is black and he would make a big racial deal out of being fired notwithstanding his inability to write or edit.
I just SHARTED and PUSSY FARTED at the same time.
-CWT '05 NY Female Associate
...like whoa
yeah, I got that.
DLA is a shit firm, but it's also a huge firm. That's at least 50 fewer SA positions for the class of 2011.
DLA is awesome!
24 - A firm is invested in the '09 and now the '10 summer class. They've spent the money "hosting" the summers for the 10 or so weeks. They don't have to invest in the class of '11 & '12 (at least not as much) until they have a clearer picture of the market needs.
Simply put, some in the class of '10 will pay for the sucky economy. Class of '11 is definitely going to pay the price. Maybe '12 too?
Pacific Reporter - the only two things TTT are you and Partner Emeritus. Why don't you get together and practice some hybrid tough love?
I have serious questions as to whether DLA in the US will be able to survive. At some point, rainmakers are going to get peeled away. There's enormous dissention among them and some are making not-so-quiet plans to leave. I give the firm less than a year. After the January year-end distribution, expect an exodus of partners with major books of business.
SPREAD THELEN BUTTCHEEKS FOR MY TROUTMAN PIPER.
46 - And where will they go?
This is not the typical economic correction. This is deeper and wider then most predicted, and sadly, then many are still willing to acknowledge and comprehend.
The upside is that firms will start taking a more business based approach to hiring newbies. In some regards, it is a return to days gone by when you have to learn before you earn. Law school does not make you a good lawyer.
Even when the economu does start trending up it will not be the proverbial "hockey stick" chart.
It will take time for business needs to catch up to the supply of lawyers. Get used to this reality.
So what do you all think this means for the current crop of rising 2Ls? I mean, besides "They are screwed."? Do you think firms are going to recruit only top students across the board, or are students at lower ranked schools out of luck completely? What a terrible time to be a law student.
48 -- you are an idiot. do you really think partners with major books of business have no options and can't go to a new firm?! Are you really that stupid? Firms are going to line up to take them. And every partner with a book of business is going to leave DLA (with it's over-inflated overhead, and over-inflated billing rates that clients are refusing to pay), and go to firms that can support them and their business (clients) and pay them the $$ that DLA cannot. You on the otherhand, can expect to be laid off. Bye bye DLA (and bye bye commenter 48).
46 is right and it's already happening - a lot. A litigation big-wig, and the breadwinner of the Philadelphia office - just jumped ship, as did a major player in the IP group. The partners are not waiting until year end, because they can start saving their clients a lot of money right now.
When is the Steiner group jumping ship? Has DLA realized they will take out more than they bring in, then leave them high and dry.