WHARES THE SHIPPP??? IS IT FLOATING?????????????I HOPE IT'S OK

YOU ARE ALL NO-CALLBACK-PWNED.

IU-BLOOMINGTON SECURE

As a rising 2L at GW, I've already blackened one of my eyes over our fall recruitment "program." Please refrain from making posts that encourge further self face punching. I should have listened to Judge Smails and pursued a career as ditch digger.

I expect we'll find that it's not about being able "to afford to do a round of interviews." Why do interviews when you have no jobs of any kind to fill? --Recruiter (er, used to be)

While I get that it sucks to have fewer OCIS, I think it is infinitely better/kinder of firms to cancel rather than come with no actual intention of hiring anyone.

SMU is better than GW.

There I said it.

this report sensationalism at its best.

this report is sensationalism at its best.

Financial difficulties at the GAO! HA!

GO OBAMA!!!

Its funny to see that even DC firms (or offices in DC) are cancelling GW interviews. Its not like there is any travel and lodging expense for these firms to interview at GW. That means that these firms either can't afford to spare some cab fare to get to GW, or they just aren't hiring at all.

Its funny to see that even DC firms (or offices in DC) are cancelling GW interviews. Its not like there is any travel and lodging expense for these firms to interview at GW. That means that these firms either can't afford to spare some cab fare to get to GW, or they just aren't hiring at all.

I'm telling you, it's like we're going back in time. In my day, the golden era of biglaw that was the 1980's, the top firms would only recruit at "T10" schools.

Now we are simply reverting back to the way it used to be -- only the true elite will be able to land biglaw jobs.

Elie's back! YAY!!!

- Elie Groupie

I was so pissed when I didn't get into GW Law.

But now we can all be banquet waiters together. It'll be fun!

What the hell happened? I thought the DC firms were the place to be now that Obama is in office creating all those regulatory schemes? I know liberals are prestige whores, but negging the second best local law school is cold.

Don't panick, just work mid-law and actually enjoy your life.

I just took a massive coffee dump in the women's lavatory on the 28th floor.

absolutely no way IU-Bloomington will do better.

ATL is becoming the "DrudgeReport" of the legal world. HUGE headlines with very little substance underneath. So 3 firms out of over 300 drop out of GW's OCI and its news? Plus, if I'm not mistaken, who really isn't surprised that DLA and Orrick won't be there?

Dean Lawrence is the captain of a sinkin' ship.

If I were a GW student, I'd send a letter to Orrick thanking them for pulling out of OCI.

17, I'll try not to panickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

20 = Roxanna

what incentive does the tipster have to report this story. it seems like he is just doing his school and ultimately himself a disservice

I hear the Law Offices of Laverne Treadwell also pulled out of OCI at GW. Can someone confirm this?

A perhaps-boring tidbit:

As a rising 3L at CLS whose summer firm won't be making any offers until well into the school year, I've been paying close attention to the firms interviewing 3Ls at EIP ("Early Interview Program," an off-campus version of OCI for which interviewers have to rent hotel rooms in midtown). Kirkland was listed several weeks ago as being one of the (few) firms interviewing 3Ls. But it's not on the bidding page to which 3Ls have access, which I presume means it's backed out.

Is this what you all expected last fall when you voted for then Senator Obama? Like it or not, this is change you HAVE TO believe in. New paradigm: if an overachiever can't get into a top 20 law school, just say no and pass ont he law school gig.

I heard that Elie will be at the New York Hilton on Thursday eating Tm Horton donuts while he listens to the President at the NAACP convention.

26: Confirmed, Treadwell was discouraged by GW's TTT status

DC firms are getting extremely lazy this year. AU WCL had the broad majority of their normal OCIs switch to resume collection. I guess the economy makes cab fair just that much more expensive.

GW grad here

I participated in the GW OCI back in the day, and wound up getting my summer position (& first job out of law school) via the resume drop. So that isn't the end of the world.

The problem is that GW charges firms something like $800 or $1000 to participate in OCI. (OCI is held in a hotel on M street, and the funds are presumably used to defray the cost of renting the hotel). The was less of an issue when I was there (since the economy was better and firms were actually hiring). I imagine that now it provides a pretty strong incentive for firms to look elsewhere, assuming GW hasn't ended the practice.

GW has always treated the law school as a cash cow, which it uses to fund programs in the rest of the university. Less that 1/3 of the tuition is actually used to pay for the law school. It was particularly bad when Trachtenberg was still president and buying up foggy bottom real estate like there's no tomorrow. Faculty and law students alike were pissed about it, but there wasn't much we could do. Now, I just don't pick up the phone when they call looking for donations.

Mystal is outie 5000.

Please read 28's post. It's important for all of us who voted for Obama to acknowledge that Obama's policies have compelled DLA Piper not to interview at GW. On behalf of all Obama voters, I apologize.

Had Obama just continued the effective policies in place on January 19, 2009 (and for the early hours of January 20, 2009), DLA Piper would definitely be interviewing at GW.

#28 has a PhD in economics, that's how he knows that this is all Obama's fault and everything would be totally different if someone else were in the White house.

Go tackle a moving bus, 28

34, when the economy was in a recession in July 2001, you were blaming everything (2000 stock market collapse, etc) on Clinton and not once on Bush, right?

A couple firms out of hundreds have canceled and this shows how bad OCI is going to be? You can look at any OCI across the country in the ~T25 and find 5 cancellations to resume drops, even before ITE

33 and 34: please tell us that you would not have voted for someone else had you known that Obama's attempt to end the recession would be a complete and total failure.

Orrick DC blows.

Wow, i guess many law school students are having trouble getting over their unearned sense of entitlement.

Good for Davis Polk. NYC firms have absolutely NO REASON to recruit at GW in this economy. They can easily fill their classes with the T5.

That's alot of cuts for a T14 school. I guess the recession has hit lawfirms harder than I thought.

GAO OGC has suspended it's entire summer program for 2010. We've been recruiting reasonable heavily for the past several years and have a lot of young attorneys in the office (plus 5 who will be starting in the fall). But expected attrition from retirements and people jumping to other agencies or to now-nonexistant jobs in the private sector has been far below the internal estimates that were used to justify the heavy recruiting over the past few years. OGC is getting pressure from the rest of GAO because it has been consistently above it's allotment of FTEs.

UVA is better than SMU.

people have to PAY to interview at GW???

GW should pay people to interview their students.

what a joke..

george washingTTTon

Pity GW, but it looks like Barackonomics isn't working for you? Good luck to the 2Ls!

I never got a job through OCIs. Not once. And I worked every summer between classes and got hired by a good mid-sized firm after graduating and passing the bar exam. All of you having a case of the vapors over OCI cutbacks need to quit and clear the decks for the level-headed. Or get your butt in gear and actually talk to people at firms that might actually be hiring.

No need to thank me. Happy to have been
of service. Good luck to all
of you.

37 - you're right, everyone who voted for Obama thought he could fix 8 years of ineptitude in a few months. Again, a thousand apologies.

Coming from the party that thinks a law from the 70s caused a housing bubble 35 years later, we are not surprised by your inability to deal with quantities of time. Gosh darnit, we should've been mavericky and gotten rid of term limits let Bush keep hacking away. Then, all would be right in the world.

Planned economies work much better than free markets run by the private sector. History bears this out time and again.

Now comrades, please submit to Rahm Emanuel and we will have all our worldly needs met.

Firms don't decide where to recruit based on one-year shifts in the U.S. News rankings.

I'm a OL attending Fordham in the fall. I think we will be screwed too. Lets hope things get better.

49, that "law from the 70s" had major changes, especially in 1992 and 1999. Look up the changes. Laws don't stay the same, you know.
But I guess reality has a well-known anti-liberal bias.

49 - It's the changes that were made to the law in '92 and '99. Try not be such an idiot.

Stradley Ronon pulled out? Aren't they a TTT firm? GW must really be in trouble

55 - everyone is in trouble not just GW. have you heard about the economy. here's a tip...pick up a newspaper!

Orrick hasn't pulled out of Seton Hall recruiting.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama

Hope. Change.

They're not just saving on cab money, but some schools (I know my T40 does) charge for the privelege of interviewing on their campus; with resume collects being significantly cheaper.

Instead of watching Fox News, maybe you should read, idiot.

http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/09/it-wasnt-the-co.html

As Robert Gordon shows,... this is crap. First, there's the timing. CRA came in 1977. The crisis came in 2007. Indeed, by 2004, the Bush administration had weakened the CRA -- and after that (though not, presumably, because of it), bubble lending really took off. Further, CRA only governs a certain class of federally insured banks. Problem is, half of the subprime loans came from mortgage companies with no CRA involvement at all. Another 25%-30% came from companies with very little CRA exposure. For those who left their abacus at home, that's 80% of the loans which were fully or largely outside CRA jurisdiction. More than that, the non-CRA mortgage firms made subprime loans at twice the rate of CRA-covered firms. Which basically leaves a stake in the heart of this particular theory. Indeed, until now, some conservatives have been moaning that no one is talking about the CRA part because it's so racially charged. Poppycock. It's just a false charge...

All the dems on this thread need to STFU. No one wants to hear your party line on ATL - This is a place for people who work their a*ses off to bond over the fact that because of our success we are maligned and our earnings (as well as all the $ the treasury dept. can print) are redistributed to slack f*^ks. A place where type-A's and risk averse individuals can lament that our quest for security is being actively thwarted. Please go to the Daily Koz, Huffington or some place else you bastards. Thanks!

I wish Orrick would pull out of my anus, I am starting to get sore.

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All GW needs to do is change its name to George Washington Carver, and then the firms will come back.

"We didn't get our forty acres and a mule, but we did get you, CC."

First, the community reinvestment act was amended twice in the 90's.

Second, government regulators did a lot more that went well beyond the CRA to force banks to make more subprime loans.

When banking was deregulated in the early 2000's and commercial banks were allowed to sell securities, the government refused to permit a bank to take advantage of the new opportunity unless a certain percentage of the bank's loans were made to minorities.

In other words, the feds used their regulatory power to compel banks to meet a quota.

65 - Almost right. Don't forget the Clinton/GOP brokered deal to allow banks to become investment brokerages and to sell derivatives without summary disclosures of the underlying investments.

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47, you might not have had so much luck with your non-OCI midsize firms OCI hadn't first skimmed all the good students from your class.

What goes around comes around.

Cash cow!

Wow, GW is the new GULC of DC - TTT all the way...

This is big news! So now, struggling firms AND prospective students with 150+ LSATs won't be going to GW. Things are getting tough!

And you please stop reporting on law schools that no one cares about?

Can I make question? Why are the DPW picking certain law schools not to go to? Is it because they feels that that George Washington is inferior to all other law schools in U.S.?

Georgetown Waitlist University

75: Not a big fan of GWU either, but GULC isn't terribly bragworthy in its own right -- it's the rest of T-14 waitlist place (maybe sans Cornell).

80's Guy, you're one totally bitchin' dude!

I want to join your central park downhill ski team.

65 - you still haven't addressed the reality that 80% of the problematic loans weren't/aren't coming from institutions governed by the CRA.

I agree with 31. I got my job with a V10 firm, without any regard to OCI.

this story could be done for every single law school in the country. and that list of GW cancellations isn't even impressive. if those r the only cancellations, GW doesn't seem to be in bad shape considering like 200+ firms go there. i'd be more concerned in other part's of the countries. if law firms in WASHINGTON aren't hiring, then it is official - 1Ls everywhere r F*CKED!

Every school in America is going to have cancellations! GW is doing just fine! Schools such as BC, BU, and Fordham certainly have less firms coming to them than GW does even with the cancellations. All the hate on these boards for GW seems akin to all the hate doled out against the NY Yankees. If the Yankees truly did suck (and hadn't won more titles than any professional sports franchise in history) then nobody would hate on them, rather they would be irrelevant. The very fact that it makes news every time anything happens at GW means that GW is still relevant and will continue to have many firms interview its students even in the worst of economic times. I assure you that BC, BU, and Fordham have had many cancellations and I cannot figure out why they have not been featured in prominent articles on ATL?

Every school in America is going to have cancellations! GW is doing just fine! Schools such as BC, BU, and Fordham certainly have less firms coming to them than GW does even with the cancellations. All the hate on these boards for GW seems akin to all the hate doled out against the NY Yankees. If the Yankees truly did suck (and hadn't won more titles than any professional sports franchise in history) then nobody would hate on them, rather they would be irrelevant. The very fact that it makes news every time anything happens at GW means that GW is still relevant and will continue to have many firms interview its students even in the worst of economic times. I assure you that BC, BU, and Fordham have had many cancellations and I cannot figure out why they have not been featured in prominent articles on ATL?

Huh. I thought if there was any firm that would stay the course if for no reason other than appearances it would have been Davis.

T15-17 in median admit stats and T18 in NLJ 250 placement (2008) beyotches.

With that having been said, turning down USC, Vandy, and Cornell for G-dub now appears to be an all-time awful decision. Can I get a do-over please? PLEASE?

The dream of a George Washington law student is for someone to misread his/her resume and think that it says "Georgetown" instead.

81 - hilarious...for a GW student to even TRY to compare herself to the law school equivalent of the NY Yankees...thanks for the laugh

83- this move doesn't reflect on dpw. It reflects on GW.

As someone who's been through OCI, those firms (except for DLA and Orrick, maybe) weren't in OCI before if I remember correctly. GAO wasn't in there either. So, no loss.

Forget OCI, Focus on the Bar EXAM - 2 weeks to go!!!!!!

This is a buyers market. That means that firms can cut costs in anyway they want. Firms aren't going to lose access to students. Students need the firms. Perfect economics.

Every school that I know of charges to interview at OCI. Really dumb idea.

86 will clearly say otherwise but was certainly rejected by GW and now attends Catholic, UDC, or Howard. Good Luck!

Seriously, this is being portrayed negatively on GW? That's the most unimpressive list of firms I've ever seen. I only recognize 3 of them -- Orrick, DPW, and DLA. And we all know DLA and Orrick are about to go under anyway, so who would want jobs there? The rest are all small firms that probably aren't making it in this economy. If this is truly all that GW lost, they're in much better shape than I thought.

Anyone that has taken the opportunity to use this as an excuse to dump on GW is a moron. Unless you are at Yale or Harvard, this is a bad sign for your employment prospects. It's unlikely that a firm would cancel at a school like GW and at the same time, leave their recruitment at Gtown intact. Despite whatever stories you may tell yourself to help sleep at night, there isn't a big enough difference.

-Not GW student or alum.

91 = disgruntled GW student

I'm a GW alum at DPW. I asked my friend in recruiting why no love for the alma mater, and was told that the issue was logistical. So, make what you will of that.