Nice 1,

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=firstymeister

This would have never happened at Macho Man LLP. Ooh yeah!

"ELIE: This is the best job I’ve ever had. I’m a writer and there are two things that every writer wants: 1) the opportunity to write, 2) readers. I have both. Everyday is an opportunity to do something I enjoy … how could you not love that?"

YOUR WRITING SUCKS

What about all that work they have in Colorado thanks to Ritter?!

pwned

YOU ARE ALL DEFERRED IDIOTS

ORRICK SECURE

Van Winkle is right on time, baby.

This is the only realistic way that firms can handle the recruiting boondoggle. Incoming 1st years are starting in January for most firms. Many of those firms have deferral programs so that some of the first years will be starting in September and October of 2010. How the hell is anyone from the class of 2010 going to start in 2010 at ANY of these firms?

Class of 2010 will start sometime between Jan 2011 and September/October 2011. Class of 2011 will . . . be utterly screwed. For what it's worth (and that's not much), firms owe more of a duty to the people they made offers to (including current SAs) than they do to people they've never met.

My advice to 2011ers: Put most of your job-hunting efforts in in trying to get a gig at a decent mid-sized firm where you'll get good experience. If you really want the big firm life, you can try and lateral in 2 or 3 years after the dust has settled. I graduated in the last downturn and this is what I did. It wasn't ideal, but I'm making over 200K per year now and I actually have a decent practice (i.e. firm clients actually call ME for advice - it's a good feeling).

your mom pushes back

"In case they weren't already, I hope that Hogan summers have been saving their money. It might have to last them for a while. "

Yeah, God forbid that overpaid, underqualified law students might have to wisely husband all the money they're earning to do nothing.

Big day - first Morgan Lewis, now Hogan & Hartson - both on the way to dissolution ! Guess what guys - an offer that isn't good three months after law school graduation, isn't an offer at all !

To Hogan Summers- Even with these deferrals, less than half of you will be getting offers. Don't believe the crap they are feeding you. I'm on the summer committee and I know what's going on. Brace yourselves. Get the most out of your summer and get to know the associates. The partners cannot be trusted, but the associates can be, so make as many contacts as you can.

WHAT ABOUT MORGAN LEWIS ELIE?!?!?! PUT DOWN THE DONUTS AND PLEASE PROVIDE INFORMATION.

also your writing sucks. perhaps all caps would rectify the situation?

I agree with 15. It is definitely one of those movies where the performances are more memorable than the film itself. It is, however, worth pointing out that the wrestling scenes were incredibly authentic. I attended a small-time wrestling event in Bayonne, NJ last weekend and can say with authority that the film captured that world. It will be interesting to see if Mickey Rourke will make a real comeback now.

Is this really the best way to go about hiring? I mean if you don't have spots maybe you should opt out of recruiting for a year or two. I don't think the firm will unravel or be unable to obtain students when they are better able. Wouldn't the students want that as well?

I lost my iPhone in downtown Bayonne, NJ on Saturday night. It is a 16GB with a purple silicone case. I have some highly proprietary information on the device, hence this notice. Please post here if you found it, and I will let you know how to get in touch with me. There is a MAJOR REWARD involved. Thanks!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama

Hope. Change.

To Hogan Summers- Do not believe what 13 has to say. He is not on the summer committee but rather a disgruntled paralegal looking to clear his territory. I know this because I am actually on the summer committee and we have decided to extend offers to everyone. I mean everyone. Please, you heard it here first. Don't believe the lies. The only caveat: you must move to Colorado to do legal work for the government or risk losing the offer. The choice is yours, wise summers.

Word is that Hogan will not be offering a stipend to these current batch of summers since they were given enough notice to look or new jobs. LOL. Who would want to work at this place? They are even willing to screw summers!

To Hogan summers - do not believe 13 or 19.

Zalgo comes.

I'm not worried. If you are from T6, you do deserve a solid job w/o bs deferals. At least in the sense that you have worked hard in undergrad, smoked your competition on the LSAT and done reasonably well in law school. I don't understand why firms just don't clean house and reset so to speak, hire a bunch of first years who are smart and can hack it. I swear to God I can do as good as any 5th year if I put my mind to it, it's not that hard. Just stop recruiting at all outside the T10 and everything will be fine. Jesus Christ.

Sandy Duncan must be apoplectic.

There is no need to thank me.
Happy to have been of service.
Good luck to all of you.

Mush with the tush,
You pull and I'll push.

What's happening at S&S with further layoffs and deferrals? Can anyone confirm the rumors?

22 - wtf does "worked hard in undergrad" mean?

I found an iPhone 16GB at this place recently.

http://www.hunkmania.com/male-strip-clubs/male-stripclub-new-jersey/

It has some, ahem, interesting video content on it. I am seeking the rightful owner.

22:
"I swear to God I can do as good as any 5th year if I put my mind to it"

Did your mommy tell you that?

I found an iPhone 16GB at this place recently.

http://www.hunkmania.com/male-strip-clubs/male-stripclub-new-jersey/

It has some, ahem, interesting video content on it. I am seeking the rightful owner.

Here’s the first excerpt from the PHJW screenplay:

Associate: I can't do this anymore. You're married, you just got married.

Barry: I don’t love her. I just need to know someone will take care of my kid in case anything happens to me. Remember when I landed in the hospital last year?

More to come...

22 = delusional pampered elitist who doesn't know jack about real law work.

22: Right -- next thing, you'll be telling me, you're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggone it, people like you!

31 - I was beginning to think we would get through the day without hearing from whiny PHJW folks... thanks for making my day.

Wow 24, I really can't imagine hating an ex-president or any individual as much as you do to go out of your way to create an account and troll ATL looking for posts to knock Bush on. Sad really. I think you aren't really mad at Bush, but you are mad at your father. It's ok man, My Dad didn't hug me either. Get in here big boy *outstretches arms for a hug*

27 - "worked hard in undergrad" means that you smoked your competition there. I go to a T6, you can infer that my undergrad GPA was high, very high in face.

29 - In law school I learned to work with cold, hard, emotionless facts. If you are erudite, AND hardworking, you can do the work in Biglaw. I am confident in my abillities, honestly after first year you have the basic tools to be a lawyer. If you have a hardnose personality, you can get under the tutleage of a partner and you can lay waste to most of your legal opponents, even if you are a relative new lawyer.

36: In law school, you don't learn jack shit in terms of practical skills (sans certain clinics and externships) -- did you even go to law school? Being able to put together a good outline and cram for an exam aren't basic tools of being a lawyer.

And getting into a T6 doesn't necessarily show you worked hard in ugrad -- you could have done a joke major like Sociology or anything ending i in the word "Studies," cranked out a half decent LSAT score, and got yourself into NYU or Chicago. Are you really trying to say that you're bound for success just because you went to a T6? Give me a break.

22 - wtf does "worked hard in undergrad" mean?

22 should probably be returning some video cassettes, washing the blood off his sheets, getting new business cards, etc.

MY GPA IS HIGH IN FACE TOO, 36!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

35 -

Thanks, but me and Poppy, we get along just fine. If it wasn't for him, I'd probably be working as a greeter at the Midland Wal*Mart. That's why I took out Saddam, because he tried to have Poppy killed.

34

Actually, this is quite delicious for the many former PHJWers out there. Keep it up happy Paul Hastings alums!

Guys, get the firm to issue a statement!!! I'm a summer at this place and we are sick and tired of the bull they are feeding us on a daily basis!!! We need to know whether we will get stipends, if we have a realistic shot at coming back in 2011, etc. We just want the truth. People are hating it here and they are turning on each other. If I didn't need the cash (which I will need to last for a year now!), I'd leave. This place is garbage.

Does anyone know if Hogan is also giving out a stipend?

My diet is high in face.

22/36

I almost transferred to a T6, but chose not to because my education is equivalent at a T40 (maybe 50). This is not to knock anyone in the T14, you all are clearly intelligent and deserve to be there. But I guarantee there are a ton of people in the top 5-10% in their T50 school who would - to use your word - "smoke" T6 law students. You sir are likely one of those who would get smoked. I believe everyone's view of you is evidenced by the comments.

Kindly,

One of those stupid kids outside of the T6 who is at a big firm this summer and holding his own with T6 students...

Does anyone know if Hogan is also giving out a stipend?

Hogan has also offered incoming associates (or whatever we can call the members of the class of 2009) the option of a one-year deferral, making today's announcement even less of a shock.

22/36 - The only thing you smoke is pole. For money. In dark parking lots.

Ok, ok, let me clear up what I meant. If you get into T6, this means unequivocably that you are a mental beast. The LSAT proves mental abilities, and there is STRONG evidence linking LSAT performance with ability in law school. Now, you're going to tell me that law school performance just mean jack? Also, in law school, I don't cram and put together a good outline. I read every night, master the cases, learn the law, and prepare to ask questions and discuss if called on. The outline just comes naturally after all that. This I think is what being a laywer is all about. Granted, beign a mental beast isn't sufficient, but it is necessary. But if you work hard, slay every challenge in front of you in life (i.e. law school, and all school before that because by definition that IS your life thus far), then you do have what it takes, and the law firms will always recognize that.

To 19 - If all summers are getting an offer, why are they wating until after the program ends to hand them out?

28/30, what were you doing at Hunkmania to begin with? Looking to get some balls on your chin maybe?

See, I TOLD YOU "Barry B" was banging the screenwriter, ex-PHJW associate with his tiny little dick! Can't wait for the next excerpt!

48, that's old news. If it wasn't made public before it's because associates had some loyalty to the firm. Now that management has turned on the associates, more information is being made public. With the summers in town, more information is bound to get leaked.

28/30, what were you doing at Hunkmania to begin with? Looking to get some balls on your chin maybe?

To 19 - If all summers are getting an offer, why are they wating until after the program ends to hand them out?

Nice use of "slay," 50. Which frat are you going to rush this fall? I hear sig ep throws killer parties, brah

Maybe 22/36 has been hanging out in New Jersey with 28/30.

Nice use of "slay," 50. Which frat are you going to rush this fall? I hear sig ep throws killer parties, brah

46: You're definitely correct about the top students (say top 5%) at lower ranked school being able to compete with the average student at a T14. And, this is even more evident by many students transferring into the T14 from much less prestigious places and ending up in the top quarter, third, etc. of their T14 class.

In other words, yes, there are bragging rights for going to a T6, T14, etc., but much less so if you're not in the top-half (especially not then) or top-third of your class. Firms would much rather have ex, the top couple students at a T40 than some average or below-average student at a T6.

56-

TRUST ME

-19

51, 56- 19 is OBVIOUSLY KIDDING! If you are a Hogan summer, you DON'T DESERVE AN OFFER.

Hogan is not going to offer the entire class offers. But, feel free to believe 19. While you're at it, Hogan is also going to give stipends of $100,000 + $1,000/month extra to pay for loans.

51, 56- 19 is OBVIOUSLY KIDDING! If you are a Hogan summer, you DON'T DESERVE AN OFFER.

Hogan is not going to give the entire class offers. But, feel free to believe 19. While you're at it, Hogan is also going to give stipends of $100,000 + $1,000/month extra to pay for loans.

51, 56- 19 is OBVIOUSLY KIDDING! If you are a Hogan summer, you DON'T DESERVE AN OFFER.

Hogan is not going to give the entire class offers. But, feel free to believe 19. While you're at it, Hogan is also going to give stipends of $100,000 + $1,000/month extra to pay for loans.

I heard that a summer associate at a V10 firm was on a lunch last week at an Asian restaurant and mistook a moo shu wrap for a handtowel. So funny!!! Can anyone confirm whether this is true?

50 -

Take some advice, please. You are young and naive. There's nothing wrong with that. I've been there. We've all been there or are still there. No big deal. HOWEVER, the sooner you realize how little you know, the better off you will be.

In a former career, after 2 years in I thought I was king shit. After 2 +1/2 years in I finally "got it." I realized that I was still fairly clueless. After 4 years in I felt like I had finally started to master a few things. My experience is FAR from unique. In fact, it's ubiquitous. You need to change your attitude prior to joining the workforce. You need to recognize and respect the value of experience. I can tell you this much, my non T-6 brain would smoke your ass any day of the week including Sunday. God only knows if I'm smarter than you . . . I can tell you damn straight that I'm more experienced.

In fact, I would welcome the opportunity to go toe to toe with you, just to prove a point. I'd hand your ass an assignment that was so far over your head you'd be crying to mommy by the end of the night.

I'm not saying this to be mean spirited. I'm saying this to, hopefully, get you step back and realize your place for a second. Just like I'd be a fool to go up against a star litigator in my firm w/ 30 some years of trial experience, you'd be a fool to walk into a firm with that huge chip on your shoulder. Someone will try to knock it off.

42: You got that right! I heard that she was cut for "performance" after Barry B got nervous and dumped her. Didn't she spend some time in a mental institution after the little prick dumped her?

50-but you are obviously a massive douche, and the firm will recognize that as well.

50: Wow, is this flame? There are many students getting into T6 schools with relatively weaker LSAT scores (minorities, legacies, people with connections, etc.) -- not every kid at Chicago, NYU, Penn, Boalt (especially not Boalt) broke say 165, which is anything but a "mental beast"-caliber LSAT score. And, the LSAT is a very learnable test for the most part -- assuming you start at a half decent level, you can work yourself up to at least a mid-160s score, which is almost (but not quite) enough to get you into the T6 sans being in some preferred group.

Re: law school prep, you sound like a huge tool if you're putting that much work in every night. And, in fact, the people I knew who did that often times didn't even do well on the exams -- being a gunner in class often doesn't translate to good grades.

And, finally, no, being a "mental beast" is not sufficient to being a good lawyer. Working hard, having good interpersonal skills (which many "mental beasts" severely lack), being reliable, being meticulous are what makes a good lawyer -- not being some super genius. The brightest people don't go into firm practice anyway -- they're going into academia so they can sit in the ivory tower and write long-winded papers about their expertise, analysis on a subject. Lawyers are results-oriented much more so than being an intellectual heavyweights.

"One of those stupid kids outside of the T6 who is at a big firm this summer and holding his own with T6 students..."

I'd just like to point out that you probably shouldn't be using your performance as a summer associate to determine whether or not you can hold your own. I mean it's the summer for goodness sakes.

67-That's correct. She had a breakdown and was institutionalized for 12 days. PHJW HR covered it all up.

Ok, I want to lay some stuff on the line, open my heart and be honest. I went to law school because I quite frankly, wanted to "change the world." Ever since I was young, I wanted to make a difference, and at some point, I was influenced by people and decided, ok, I want to be a laywer, and thus I went to law school. Now, I was fortunate to be admitted to go to a top tier law school, but as many of us know, it's not cheap. So I have substantial debt and by the time I graduate, it will be even higher. Now, I don't manage my life dreams on the basis of my financial situation, but you have to be delusion to not consider it, it's just natural. But my bigger issue is that the jobs are drying up. I want to use my study of the law and help peoples lives. But I am caught between a rock and a hard place. If I try to get hired to do a job that will truly change the world, like public defender or job where I defend minority rights or immigrant rights then I will have to accept a lower payscale than some of the law firms pay. However, even if I want to join a law firm, even for a few years, I will have a hard time geting even that job now. This is bad because I have to make a real hard decision at this point. Worse, jobs are getting fewer and further in between for all types of jobs. So sort of I have to take whatever I can get, and completely forget about my dream to change the world. This is not why I came to law school. I just wish the young people of the world could realize all the power we have a group - WE CAN BE CHANGE AGENTS OF OUR TIME!!! :) But I feel like most of us don't believe this, or worse, we just don't even care. We could change this economy if we wanted to, I mean we could put our minds together and work out solutions that could help things. But reading this board, most people are interested in working for the money in law. But this isn't the best way to use our skills. We have a blessing, law students, we have the ability to use words and thought like swords, to help other and defeat evil, not just in the United States, but around the world. I challenege everyone to find a lawyer who inspires you, someone who truly moves you with their mastery and use of the law, and then follow in their footsteps. Don't let that classic risk averseness of law school students take hold of you. Let's all take a risk and jump, then if some of us don't make it, it won't be as hard of a fall for them. Plus we can have a security blanket to help each other out. I really want to put my superior knowledge to good use during our lives. It pains me, that I have to consider things from a financial point of view, but it's even worse that there aren't any jobs almost anywhere. How bad does it have to get before people will ACT! I actually have the answer - it's when things get bad for you personally that you usually decide things are rough. But let's CHANGE THE PARADIGM. I promise we can do it, we just have to be change agents using law as our vehicle.

72 - Wow, this is either a bad impersonation of Obama (CHANGE, CHANGE!), perhaps a version of the BBLP manifesto (that group picking on firms for lack of diversity and too many hours), or some combination of the two.

Try paragraphs next time and perhaps something concrete. Chanting the words "change" and "agents" might work in some BS Sociology course to get brownie points from the hippy prof, but it doesn't work in the real world where you actually need, I dunno, a plan to do anything.

Can anybody point me to where all the people with a sense of humor went to? I don't see anyone else here but trollbait. Thanks in advance.

43 -
SA's, incoming first years, and associates are not entitled to ANYTHING. As bad as it sucks to lose your job, be deferred, or have an offer up in the air, everyone is pretty much in the same boat. If you dont like it, you're always free to try somewhere else.

It seems like most commenters have never worked at a job outside of the law, where there are no "guarantees." Most of the spoiled brats fail to recognize that lawyers arent any different than employees in any other job or industry.

67, 71, 53, 42, 31 = all the same bitter PHJW assh*le.

72 - put down the bong and give it a rest for a few days

This one goes to '11.

I lied, jobs died.

I'm Barack Obama?

36 - They don't teach you shit about actual lawyering in law school. You're a complete idiot.

Everyone's always talking about firms dissolving... have any biglaw firms dissolved since Thelen & Heller?

72 = Roxana

Last night I overheard PE trying to console a sobbing waiter at Sparks Steakhouse. The waiter was begging for help to overcome his inferiority complex.

In his most reassuring tone, PE told the waiter that it is no complex, he just happens to be inferior.

I went to a T6 school and so I'm entitled to a job that pays me $1,000,045 a year to do document.

The ship be sinking...

76 = Sanctimonious PH apologist. You are truly pathetic.

Everyone's always talking about firms dissolving... have any biglaw firms dissolved since Thelen & Heller?

There's WolfBlock...

I can't imagine why I ever wanted to work for that festering ttt in decline.

These summers go to '11.

WAIT! What's going on here? Is something bad happening in the legal world?

DOJ Secure

36 = PE

I thought Covington and Hogan were peer firms...ouch.