Milbank Cancels 2010 Summer Program in L.A.
According to a well placed source, Milbank has decided to cancel its 2010 summer program for its Los Angeles office.
We understand that the firm will still be inviting summer associates to join them in New York and Washington, D.C. The firm did not respond to our immediate request for comment.
According to NALP, there are 83 lawyers at Milbank, L.A. We don’t know if that number has been updated since the firm laid of 49 attorneys (and 40 staff) back in May. In the past, the L.A. office has employed around 10 summers per year.
From a certain point of view, canceling at least a portion of the summer program could be the honorable thing for Milbank to do. A number of first years were let go in Milbank’s latest round of layoffs. At least the firm isn’t throwing away perfectly good fruit and then heading right back out to the grove.
Of course, the class of 2011 isn’t really concerned with how laid-off attorneys feel right now. The Milbank news is just another indication that things are going to be very difficult for 2Ls this fall.
Earlier: Nationwide Layoff Watch: 89 Down at Milbank
Milbank Layoffs Follow-Up
Ballard Spahr And Thompson Hine Cancel Their 2010 Summer Programs
Morgan Lewis Cancels 2010 Summer Program
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ship be sinkin"
FIRSTTT
FIRSTTT
Latham is doing the same. Thank you Dave Gordon - douche bag of the year.
PE, will your firm hire me to do light maintenance and some clerical work? I am a T20 law magna grad and was a member of the law review.
2/3 be sinkin
2 & 3 suck it
Maybe rising 2L's can do public interest thereby getting real work and experience. BigLaw=EPIC FAIL.
Take this layoff as a blessing in disguise.
Why in sam **** did you want to be a biglaw associate to begin with? When you were a kid, I KNOW that you did not say, "When I grow up, I want to be a biglaw associate."
You want it for the money. You want it to pay off your loans. You want to use it as a springboard into more fulfilling legal careers.
Stop. Just stop. Take it from me. I was an associate and left biglaw several years ago after realizing that I was getting fatter, less energetic, weirder, etc.
You can make enough money to live a comfortable life and pay off your loans in another job (or another career).
What interests you about the law so much, anyway? If you like the law for what it is, then stay in the legal industry. But if you don't like the law or if you think you'd be happier in another career, then go for it.
You only live once, and while money is important, it's not everything. When you're lying on your deathbed, you're not going to wish you spent more time in the office or that you make another $10,000 or that you had another boat or whatnot.
Remember the important things in life: your family, your friends, your health, your happiness, and last, but not least, God.
God bless you and I wish you the best in your future endeavors.
Ah hahahahah! You got laid off!
Whatever are you going to do with no job, 150k in debt, and RUINED CAREER PROSPECTS?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
Good luck, suckers!
I like the idea that someone proposed yesterday about offering to work for firms at a pay cut. This is simple supply and demand economics. If the market says that I cannot get a biglaw job at $160k, I will see if I can get one at $125k (or lower if necessary). Not much different than contractors bidding for a job. Everyone has to look out for themselves, right?
How long have you been waiting to use that fruit metaphor you racist?
I have a feeling that some of these firms that cancel for 2010 will be hiring some 3Ls for 2011. It's not ALL that bad for 2010 2Ls. Don't get me wrong - it's bad - it's just not "the END OF THE WORLD."
Perhaps this could be a sign of a distinct move to the 3L hiring model. Who knows. It's not like the summer associate experience is really a "test of worth" or anything of the sort. Outside of recruiting, it's not really worth much. Currently, firms don't have to fight for new associates. I think the 3L hiring model will be in vogue for the next couple of years - at least until the firms have to fight for top talent again.
Maybe the blog should just start reporting which firms ARE having a summer program in 2010. Sounds like that might be the "catch up year" that employers use to reset back to the regular hiring schedule.
9=THOUGHTFUL
No summer associate program for you!
Too bad.
Oh well.
Go cry yourself to bed.
You are destined to a life of meager poverty.
Such is life.
Such is you.
Sucks to be you.
Yes it does.
No summer associate program for you!
Too bad.
Oh well.
Go cry yourself to bed.
You are destined to a life of meager poverty.
Such is life.
Such is you.
Sucks to be you.
Yes it does.
I want to go POTTTY!
Biglaw is over. It's all downhill from here. Run for hills, kids.
10=LIMP DICK
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: THIS IS THE END OF BIGLAW. I HOPE YOU ENJOYED IT WHILE IT LASTED. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD.
9 - I wish that you will contract terrible ass rot
I'm sorry to say this, but if you counted on a summer associate program as your golden ticket to success, then you are a terribly misguided child whose eyes are blind to reality.
The cancellation of this summer associate program is a benefit. It is your benefit. It is your ticket to reality. It is meant to open your eyes. Be happy that you can no longer be a summer associate.
It's for your own good.
It's for your own good that biglaw is failing.
It's for your own good that summer associate programs are being cancelled.
Be happy about it, not sad.
You can be happy or be sad. Choose to be happy. Look on the bright side.
FIND THE POSITIVE IN THE SITUATION!
Elie:
Did Milbank "not respond to our immediate request for comment"? or do you think maybe Milbank did not immediately respond to your request for comment? Dumb fucktard!
You can be happy or sad about this situation. It's your choice. You make what you will of life.
Life does not owe you anything other than a slap in the face.
Treat this news as an early birthday present.
You'll thank melater when you get older and become more mature.
How retarded is it that ATL associates biglaw with happiness when its very editors specifically left biglaw? The more I think about ATL, the more I realize what fucking losers Mystal and Lat are.
-Popped Collar UVA rising 2L.
Welcome to the Age of Asslobster, bitches!
uh oh
would anyone like to sublet me a room inside of a 3500 sq foot wife...my ship be sinkin
Hopefully this will cause the would-be summer associates to get their heads out of their asses. I don't know what they are going to do or how their careers will turn out, and frankly, I don't give a damn. It's about time these self-entitled law students fell flat on their faces, hard. It's good for character building.
What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger.
Remember that. Remember that.
9: When I'm on my death bed, I'm going to want to know that I've got another boat. I'm bored of the '98 Choey Lee CPMY 2003 already.
I'm matriculating into Fordham Law this fall and am having second thoughts about the whole law school thing. I've paid my deposit, but damn...
Sucks to be a would-be associate in California, doesn't it?
You should have gone to New York.
Oh, wait, there's a New York firm that laid off half of its first years, or so rumor goes.
What's that you say? Midwest law firms are laying off people and reducing their summer programs?
Wow, that's amazing. The implosion of the legal field continues unabated.
Perhaps you shouldn't have gone to law school and gotten that huge debt.
Forgive me if I take a minute and start laughing hysterically.
At you.
How you like me now?
The ship be sinking...
28
I think you have hit on the correct description for this time and period.
Excuse me while I pawn my Patek Philippe for rent.
Ex-4th Year Latham Associate.
Haha...dumb kids who went to law school. Idiots.
More associates getting Lathemed
I'm so happy about this news. Thanks, Elie! You rock, man!!!!
Dear Elie: When you were selected to be the new ATL editor your initial post included this statement: "I believe that my personal opinions and beliefs should be as far removed from the content that I post as possible. However, I'll let the readers be the judge of whether I am doing a good job at maintaining intellectual and professional impartiality. Here are some of my identification labels."
In case you were wondering, you're doing a horrible job of maintaining any sort of impartiality. In fact, you're about as partisan as they get.
So did you mean what you wrote in your first post?
I'm so happy about this news. Thanks, Elie! You rock, man!!!!
34 to 190!
La La Land won't miss a few dozen associates. They can hang out and turn tricks on Sunset Boulevard.
Law students deserve this. Suits them right.
If this were Latham, Dave Gordon would have hired an enormous 2010 summer class, then laid off most of them 4 months after they started.
Goodbye Biglaw, hello Midlaw!!
Midlaw to 120!
The legal profession is dead.
hundreds of thousands of unemployed lawyers with 6 figure debt.
Way too little work for all these lawyers.
It is the popping of the law school bubble....
Let me get this straight.
So I will not be able to date Jen Aniston next summer?
~Clueless Seton Hall student
I hear there are a few openings in the next iteration of Hell's Kitchen. Getting yelled at by Gordon Ramsey is an excellent introduction to the working world.
This news made my day. I can't stop smiling, and I will surely go to sleep smiling.
Is there a dissolution in the near future? All the signs say...
YES!
So a few scions of Pacific Palisades and Beverly Hills will not have jobs in 2010.
Cry me a fucking river.
Fifth-fiddittyy-1st!
This would never happen in Dallas.
YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF MEAN IDIOTS! You were probably playground bullies when you were younger. Idiots, idiots, IDIOTS.
I PAID $150,000 to go to law school. That is ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS. More money than you can count.
And this is how I get repaid? THIS? What a crock of bullshit. I can't believe this.
All I wanted was to go to law school and get good grades. I worked my ass off day and night in college and studying for the LSAT and in law school and this is what I get in return?
On the fairness scale, this gets a flat out negative -10.
55 = Boston Sharter
I am so glad I went to a public to 10 school before the legal market went to hell. Turning down Columbia (150k) for Boalt (total loans, $60k) was a great idea.
55: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=waaaambulance
56, STFU IDIOT
58 WHY DON'T YOU GO **** YOURSELF. I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR YOUR CRAP TODAY. GOT IT?
READING YOUR COMMENTS JUST PISSES ME OFF. I'M OUTTA HERE. GOOD RIDDANCE.
56 & 58= EPIC RETARDS
55:
"All I wanted was to go to law school and get good grades."
Well that was your first mistake. If that was all you wanted, then you had no clue.
To the Milbank summers laid off in LA --
open a lemonade stand on the hottest day of the year in front of the Milbank offices on 601 S. Figueroa Street and the partners will be so impressed with your gumption that you'll be hired as a first year!
55, we ain't got time for your personal junk.
THE DOW SURGED OVER 9000!!! WE'RE ALL SAVED!!!
THANK YOU OBAMAJESUS!!!
58, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW HARD IT IS TODAY AND YOUR COMMENTS JUST MAKE THINGS WORSE. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I WENT THROUGH TO GET WHERE I AM AND THIS IS HOW YOU TREAT ME? YOU THINK THIS SHIT IS FUNNY?
Attorneys should be paid on a commission-only basis like independent contractors. That would solve a lot of the problems with our legal system.
Why all the hate for law students? How many of you were entitled law students at one point? Trust me, the class of 2011 is not feeling entitled, but SOME chance at getting a job at a law firm would not suck. Some of us actually do want to work at firms for reasons other than the ability to pay off our loans (e.g. masochism), but the hate for the rest is also excessive. You got to use cushy SA positions as your ticket to the firm job that paid off your loans. Now that you are further in your career, "law students deserve this"? Maybe we are naive for choosing to become lawyers, but I'm pretty sure the class of 2011 did not cause the global economy to crash miserably.
67= Successful Debevoise associate.
Yes, law students deserve this because they are self-entitled pricks. It gets worse every year. Well, you know what? This is it. This is rock bottom. Your ego got the best of you, and now look what happened. Next time, check yourself, mate.
67, maybe you can pursue some Section 90 (of the Restatement (Second) of Contracts)) claim against society at large because you're not getting what you're entitled to.
71 thinks he is provoking law students when in reality they're joking with the ALL CAPS fake rants. Law Students pwned 71.
71 -
you're an idiot.
72 I GOT AN A IN CONTRACTS BECAUSE I WORKED MY ASS OFF. I COULD TEACH A COURSE ON PROMISORRY ESTOPPEL SO DON'T **** WITH ME LOSER.
-67
9, 23, 24, 27 nailed it.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
The New Order has come.
All their evil, all their lies ... They shall all be cleansed.
I'm somewhat curious as to why Milbank would even be deciding this now? What's the rush to cancel a program for next summer ? Could this just be a random stab in the dark by someone with an agenda?
Having said that, fully conceded that most firms will NOT be doing summer programs next year. In New Orleans, all the major firms returned to the summer law clerk model that prevailed until the 1980's outside of NY and DC
55, you are correct, life, on a fairness scale of 1-10, is a -10.
55- Welcome to the real world. Your parents probably sheltered you. Have you ever had to work a real job in your life? Have you ever needed toearn a paycheck so you had enough money to eat and have a place to live? You have no sense of perspective. My seven year old doesn't whine like a girl like you do.
How can one expect to be professional if they can't even control their sharting? That can be a big distraction for someone sitting across the table.
I'm sure the class of 2010/2011 will be just fine. But they will not be working as lawyers.
It's time to end the law school ponzi scheme. All our tuition money goes to pay lazy ass Profs. End it now!
Class of 2011 is the lost generation.
55 = PE
YES I AM BITING THE STYLE OF THE GUY WHO USUALLY DOES THIS BIT BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ALL OF YOU AREN'T COMPLETELY FUCKED
QUINN EMANUEL SECURE
85=sharting fail
it's remarkable how often elie fucks up such short posts. even if he doesn't proofread at all (and he must not), it's still astounding how he can't go 10 sentences without fucking up. i think he's running flame.
55 --
I feel you. It's not entitlement to be disappointed when you have worked really hard and the rules change halfway through the game.
Keep your head up. If you've worked hard before, you will figure out a way to make the best of the changed circumstances. Don't let these douchebags discourage you. Some people are worthless, stupid, and negative. You probably aren't, so just ignore them.
89=85=sharting fail
90 just sharted
Any word on the status of Milbank's summer program in the Bratislava office?
Any word on the status of Milbank's summer program in the Bratislava office?
partners at quinn throw away perfectly good fruit and then head right back out to the grove all the time. it is no big deal.
quinn stud
79: Not sure how familiar you are with summer programs, but if Milbank were to have a summer program next year, it would need to begin interviewing candidates beginning in even late July (starts earlier each year it seems) to September / October (Harvard and Yale used to wait until this late, but have recently moved their dates back).
In other words, if Milbank wanted to cancel its summer program and not also have to rescind callbacks and offers as well, it had to cancel now. Better to cancel now versus really putting next year's summers in an (even more unfair) bind where they've already accepted at the firm, declined all their other offers, and suddenly find out that there's no more summer program whatsoever. The timing might also work out that it's too late to interview at other firms too (especially if they received an early offer at Milbank and didn't do their other callbacks, etc.).
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/23/officer.gates.arrest/index.html
Suck it, Mystal.
"Have you ever had to work a real job in your life?"
Yep. I was a police officer for almost a decade. Saw more horrible things than you and your sheltered ass could ever imagine, while at the same time being spat on and looked down on by the likes of you just so you could live your shitty little life -- so please go fuck yourself.
There's no need for the hate against these kids. They know not what they got into. Law schools are MORE than happy to take their money and keep raising tuition. And suck my balls if you think their pure terror at not having a job after getting into all this debt is self-entitlement. If they could discharge this shit in bankruptcy, it wouldn't be so bad. But even with a hardship deferral, interest accrues and compounds. So forgive them for not being so excited.
Class of 2011 is the lost generation.
Kenny Powers here.
I just want to let everyone know that I will be finishing my summer program tomorrow. I actually had a week left but I got called up to the majors.
Anyways, in case you shitheads were wondering, yes I did bang the legal recruiter on the roof of the firm. Of course she was banging a married partner already. But, wherever there's a women there's a big gapping hole of need. Leave it up to Kenny Powers to fill it.
I'm fucking in, and you're fucking out.
End of month PHJW layoffs will affect primarily LA, NY, DC, ATL & SF. Staffers are included.
100 is right on. PHJW has already been laying off in droves (starting in 12/08). NY RE Dept is already down from 60 to 30. More blood is coming.
Right on Kenny. Right on.
These losers don't get it. To be the man you have to be a man.
elie you lazy fuck, can you do any work. tons of typos, almost seems like you try to make them.
and you didn't even bother to check Milbank's website to have at least some data point on the number of associates in LA. here, i'll do it for you, there are 73 associates currently on the website listed in the LA office.
"laid of 49 attorneys"? Poor effort.
97- A little harsh and bitter. I spent five years in the military so I saw shit I didn't like either.
My point- we as a society have catered way too much to this generation, with helicopter moms, over scheduling, not making them work, etc. A good friend my age, whose family has almost more money than God, was asked by his father on the day he graduated from high school what he planned to do. My buddy said he was thinking of sailing for a while, travelling internationaly, etc. His dad ( to his credit) gave him two choices; college full time or the Marines. Parents raised in the Depression and who came of age in WWII would call out 55 for what he is, a whining little rich boy who doesn't know how good he has had it.
But you do make a good point. Never having had to deal with adversity before, you can't really blame him for shitting his pants.
68 - uh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contingency_fee
some people would argue that that's the problem, not the cure
I know what TTT stands for, but where did this meme about Boston women farting originate?
-- Guy Who Knows What TTT Stands For
105 --
Some people in my generation are entitled brats, fine.
Some of us have worked since before we were sixteen (to pay for everything you need when you are sixteen, plus car insurance, uncovered health care expenses, college application fees, college education, law school) and have taken out many loans to finance school because we see the value of education. Some members of our generation would never dream of telling their parents they were going to "sail for a while." A lot of our parents aren't professionals and MAYBE we wanted to be the first person in our entire family to go to graduate school. So f*** me for being disappointed that the years I decided to go to law school were the years the whole system collapsed. I don't feel entitled to a job, but I am upset, and I think that is completely justifiable.
so any layoffs going to happen soon at milbank?
75--thanks for displaying your insecurity and inadequacy to the entire world, we enjoy the laugh.
The stench of femshart at Nixon Peabody Boston is overwhelming.
#75 I got an A in Ks because I slept withthe professor
Professor Kingsfiled was a very gentle lover
Jimmy Hart
Notice I wrote Ks instead of contracts. You can tell I went to law school. I even use a triangle for defendant.
#75 I got an A in Ks because I slept withthe professor
Professor Kingsfiled was a very gentle lover
Jimmy Hart
Notice I wrote Ks instead of contracts. You can tell I went to law school. I even use a triangle for defendant.
Cheer up, you can always temp.
http://temporaryattorney.blogspot.com
111 - What the hell is a femshart?
what's happending at Debevoise and Paul Hastings??
110, 112, and 113. How can you not see 75 is clearly joking? Jesus Christ.
108 – Your angst is well justified, but it does not mean that we should feel sympathy for you. Believe me not having a good summer internship will affect your legal career if you ever get to have one. The kids who do manage to land internships are going to be in a position to land good jobs at real law firms. Students who fail to secure a summer position can forget about joining the perfumed crowd. This is the point in the game where the haves and the have-nots get separated. Weep baby, weep. And start being nice to the manager at the call center. They might just take you in at $10/hour on account of how well educated you are and all.
116 - see 100.
You fat stupid lazy pig.
Any word on Paul Weiss layoffs?
I just sharted on the copy machine.
Boston female esq
Thanks Obama.
-laid off 1st year
Just watching the news... really lovin' hearing the academics - particularly black professors - criticize and second guess cops
I lied, and Milbank's summer program died.
I'm Barack Obama?
what happens at Debevoise and Paul Hastings stays at Debevoise and Paul Hastings
118 & Others
Isn't the anonymity of the internet wonderful? You can be rude and condescending and you don't even have to be accountable for it!!!!!!!
i heard a rumor that Latham New York laid off a bunch of lawyers earlier this year. is that true?
where have all the shtick-sters gone?
Section 90 guy, i-knew-lots-of-guys-in-high-school-who-did-this guy, rear-ender guy: PLEASE REPORT FOR DUTY and restore this site to its former glory. THANK YOU.
128- Yes, it's also possible that some first years were included.
re. 126 it sounds like ATL really dropped the ball today.
Seriously, I want a list of all the old school missing characters from this site. I too miss them.
These kids needed a break anyway.
128,
I hadn't heard that. I heard it was an awesome place to work, that they only laid of some lazy, arrogant pricks who live in their parents' basements and now complain about how their life is over.
Thanks for the info.
The "bitter loser living in his parents' basement" thing has become the official cliche for negative posters by trolling shitbag partners with no business to speak of.
You all can suck my left nut.
DOJ SECURE
I'm class of 2011. Where does all of this hatred and anger come from? I previously worked for a number of years in the non profit field. I like working and all I want to do is learn as much as possible in law school and get back to being a producitve and contributing (employed) member of society.
I know what it's like to live on not much and I'm not in it for the money (though of course it would be nicer to pay off the debt faster) but I do want to work at a firm for at least a few years for the experience before figuring out whether to go back to the non profit /public service realm or stay in the private for-profit sector. Besides the fact that it's going to be just as hard to get a public service job soon because everyone and their brother are applying to public service positions, and thanks to several firms deferral stipends, some of my competition can do the work for free.
Of course the perks are nice but I just want an internship to get experience next summer and then a job when I graduate. With this economy I don't understand the business model of paying 30k for a summer internship and 160k for full time salary. There are lots of us out there ready to work for much less in return for having a job and getting good training and experience. Firms--please revamp your business practices for your sakes as much as ours.
127 - I do not need anonymity to tell you the truth. People are landing internships and these kids have a shot at a real career in law. If you think that $10/hour at a call center is condescending, then I hope that you are one of the lucky few with something lined up because otherwise life is going to get really tough for stuck up but desperate brats like you.
137 – Get a grip on yourself and save us from your holier than thou attitude. You are not in it for the money? Oh really?! There is plenty of work for people who are gung ho about being productive and contributing members of society but none of these positions pay $165,000 a year for know nothing push button monkeys. Would you take it?
You are just too dumb to be a lawyer. Why should good law firms opt to train more people like you even if you were willing to pay them for the privilege? That would just increase the competition they would have to face later on.
the last president was a white bush and now we have a black bush!
Their moto: Screw the people
"There are lots of us out there ready to work for much less in return for having a job and getting good training and experience."
Unfortunately, the big firms don't want the vast majority of you who are willing to do this. If they were, we wouldn't have the bizarre salary distribution curve we have for entry level lawyer positions.
Maybe things will start getting less irrational because of the economy. Who knows.
97: a police officer is not a real job. you got paid by the gov. to chat with your buddies, eat donuts and harass people. imagine if everyone did that for a living?
Debevoise is laying off staff this week.
Skadden DC is rapidly spinning out of control. Partners, associates, and staff are leaving in droves.
You heard it here first.
Attorneys are jumping ship at Skadden DC, although it's not clear yet why.
136-You know you're not DOJ SECURE.
(the real) DOJ SECURE
145
Concur about Skadden DC. It has problems. What they are remains yet to be announced.
I think it's a shocking find that DOJ has more than one DOJ SECURE employee.
Obama lied. Jobs died.
Before the year is over, Finley Kumble will have lots of company.
You heard it here first.
I heard a rumor that it was actually Latham's Dave Gordon (the douche) who canceled Milbanks summer program. What at asshole that guy is.
79, Thanks -- I believe you --
back when I was in that world, summer programs were primarily the lead firms out of DC and NYC (which were maybe 200 attorney offices) trying to get top students in so that they'd say nice things about the firm when they went on to clerk on COA and US Supreme. It expanded obviously -- but I'm stunned to learn that hiring has to start in JULY for the next year.
I'm not sure our applicants had their grades or their law review creds in place by then . . .