Hunton may actually come to campus, but it won't be hiring. Just going through the motions.

I foresee a lot of popped collars in UVA law pretty soon. Instead of frat pranks and beer parties, law students will be scrambling to find jobs in Mickey D's pretty soon.

Rising 2L at UVA here:

1. Way to go schmuckos who reported this. You shamed a firm into coming, and for what? So they can not hire anyone, but instead think of us as whiny bitches. Good job, guys. Next time, STFU.

2. Way to advertise the fact that one of our bread and butter firms isn't coming, which may only encourage other firms not to come since hey, if Hunton is going to UVA, why should we. Does it work that way? I don't know, but we're certainly not better off because you ran to ATL to cry about one firm not coming to OCI. Jackasses.....

Don't slam your own school. It doesn't help you. You just make the rest of us look bad so you can see some email you wrote to Elie appear after the jump.

"Way to advertise the fact that one of our bread and butter firms isn't coming, which may only encourage other firms not to come since hey, if Hunton is going to UVA, why should we. Does it work that way?"

I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way.

oh yeah, it was all this blog that caused the change in policy. typical big law attitude. "i won your case!" sad. such overinflated self importance.

3 - Jeez, chill out. You need to get a life.

If you really want to advance your goal, then don't read ATL. If nobody read ATL, then it wouldn't matter what was written here.

Bye.

3, ATL is like a union for law students and junior associates. If we don't keep our union reps (ATL editors) informed, then ATL loses its effectiveness as a tool for protecting us.

Who else dropped out besides Cravath? Anyone know?

3

Your real problem is the economy in tandem with the subpar services we get from UVA Career services.

No one ever got anything by being passive. If I have to walk over you to get a job, I will. If I have to complain, I will.

Otherwise, STFU yourself.

Good reasoning there, 6. If my goal is to stop my idiot classmates from crying to Above The Law, I should stop reading it?

CravaTTTh

UVA is one of the most racist law schools in the top 25. They really only like white people.

Further proof that the class of 2009 is the true lost generation.

UVA likes you if you are out of state. If you're in-state, not so much.

So, 9, if I get this straight, you got a firm to come that isn't going to hire anyway. And this helps even you, how?

10 - Your goal is to make your law school look "better," isn't it?

12 - sotomayor

3 - You, sir, are a douche.

3,

sorry you were not able to secure employment.

things will get better.

I have never seen a single black, latino, or asian person on the UVA campus.

Im a Seton Hall summer at Orrick. Should I be scared about this?

I'm a douche because I don't think attracting negative publicity to your school is a good thing?

Yes, I'm a douche. But at least I'm not an idiot.

Peace.

22 - Stop reading ATL, it will only stress you out....

Be well.

13: The Class of 2009 is going through recruiting this fall?

I didn't know that we're America's coolest law school - that rocks! But I am not surprised.

Who else has Feb Club? And who puts on a better Law Revue show?

http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/04/congratulations_to_americas_co.php

3,

Huge failure. "if Hunton is coming, why should we?" Way to go blowtard. PDCA.

uvaTTT

#20: Then you have never been to the UVA campus.....

Get real.

15

There is an infinitesimal chance that you might actually impress the interviewers and get a job.

Or not.

The given assumption is that H&W is going through the motions but interviewees might actually be surprised. Who knows?

DAMMIT THE BEES

BEES ARE EVERYWHERE

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

This comment is addressed to post no. 3.

You shamed your school even more with your pathetic post. As I mentioned earlier in the week, my firm will not be participating in UVA's ogi this year or the next. I circulated the lame law revue video produced by the 3 UVA clowns earlier this year to some of my peers. They too expressed shock, dismay and disdain over the quality of students attending UVA law these days. Needless to say, as reported in this story, some peer firms will also sever working relationships with UVA law's career services.

Who is Frost Brown and Jacob?? I think it is Frost Brown TTTodd. Way to go UVA, you can not even get the firm names right. That email was not done hastily.

#28 = David Duke

3 -- You really need to calm down. ATL did nothing to make UVA look bad. ATL was not knocking UVA in any way. If anything, ATL was knocking Hunton & Williams for not recruiting at a school with which it has had a historically close relationship.

NYU puts on a better law revue.

Perhaps the students of the "coolest law school" should try applying to the "coolest law firm." What firm won that contest? I forget.

Did elie get fired?

32 -

Maybe FBT is stealth hiring.

17- performs fe....o on Scalia every day.

That's awesome that ATL induced a firm to waste everyone's time by conducting interviews in which there is no intent that any offers be made.

My popped collar and mint julep signify prestige.

UVA3L summering at W&C

UVa = Yahoos, droolers and pimps. Who cares.

PE- GREAT WORK!

@42 - it's Wahoo not Yahoo!

ELIE-

PLEASE do a compilation post about how OCI is shaping up at all of the top ten, 14, whatever schools. Reductions in employers attending by % etc. THIS WOULD BE A USEFUL POST

PE, how are the applications coming along?

the analysis in this post, though not overly taxing, is far beyond anything ellie would have written

3 - my firm is coming to UVA OGI in August, and I'll be the one in the room. Why don't you come by and say more stupid things to pass the time in one of my 20 minute sessions? I'm FASCINATED by your insights and your way with words.

Is #3 even a UVA student, I wonder. Everybody here calls it OGI and OCI. Calling it OCI is almost certain to signify that you're not a UVA student.

Is #3 even a UVA student, I wonder. Everybody here calls it OGI and not OCI. Calling it OCI is almost certain to signify that you're not a UVA student.

Why are the UVA students so excited? So that Hunton can tease them with an OGI when it's pretty obvious they don't intend to hire? Enjoy your moment of glory.

Please, oh internets, tell me more about whether one faceless senior associate from a cookie cutter firm will be travelling to another law school full of soon-to-be homeless people to speak with some of the inmates for 15 to 30 minutes a piece. I think a court reporter should be hired to document all such conversations, and they should then be thoroughly analyzed to determine whether other "newsworthy" tidbits are contained therein. Elie can do said analysis while eating hohos. Please advise.

20,

there are tons of black people at UVA. its just that almost everyone there is white from northern virginia and wears the same polo shirt everyday.

49-50 is right. UVA has "grounds" not a "campus." 3 is just a hater.

I only recruit out of UVA.

Binder & Binder

This might actually be a great second post by ATL for UVA students.

Post 1 - shame Hunton for not interviewing
Result: Hunton interviews

Post 2 - shame Hunton for interviewing but not hiring
Result: Hunton hires (at least 1)???

UVA pops collars and has the best looking student body in the top 15.

"union for law students and junior associates" - its out lived its usefulness, top heavy, followed by the ignorant masses who can't think or compete on their own, self-righteous?

Thinking like 56 - is a prime example. I feel sorry for you if you think ATL can shame a 1,000 attorney law firm into anything. I know you probably graduated with a 4.0 in communications and got an A in contracts last year, but your business savvy and common sense fail you.

3 - Roxana

Hunton is making the short drive to UVA -- congratulations... -- expect someone with nothing better to do to show up and try to seem interested... They are not hiring (not a reflection on UVA, just the sad state of the current market).

Hey above the law,

This is in regards to your new lateral link post in which we are not able to comment on. How can a deferred graduate have 3-8 years in significant tax experience. You people are worthless tardmongers.

59 = Roxanna

58 - Why so bitter? Is it your napolean complex? I'm guessing you are 5'6'', 5'7'' at best.

Btw, you're an idiot.

Bill Henderson says you won't get jobs.

63- your 6'1 and skinny fat, right?

Roxana is half man, half woman.

The wording of the memo is spot on - you blew the call! I hate when people don't own up t their mistakes.

60

You may be right that H&W is not hiring associates, but if they see that top UVA law students are willing to work on contract attorney wages, they might think differently.

An interview is an opportunity to put your foot forward.

Just saying.

66 - Roxana

Depends, what does "skinny fat" mean?

70 - Well it definitely does not mean Mystal, who is fatty fat fat.

PE's firm just cancelled OCI at Harvard - PE's alma mater. He originally thought it was a prank perpetuated by his old pledge brother at the UG. When he found out it was real, he was seen wandering the halls of his office muttering, "The ship be sinking, the ship be sinking." PE then went home early to have a Tom Collins.

Given their connection with UVA, if Hunton were hiring they'd be at the top of the list. I think in exchange for the support and money they've given to the school through the years, Hunton would have appreciated a bit more disceretion than to be publically called out like this. just sayin...

Here's what makes me laugh: ATL constantly bemoans law firms' perpetuation of economically unwise practices merely for prestige sake or to save face but then frequently "shames" these same firms into these face-saving practices as soon as they choose to buck the trend for economic reasons, and further perpetuates extravagance through things like contests for fanciest summer associate events.

53 - As a UVA student, I'm offended. I may be white and from northern virginia, but i have a wide array of polo shirts to choose from on a daily basis! For shame!

I agree with 34, the point is that Hunton and UVA have been joined at the hip for years.

73 -- Don't expect anxious job seekers who have lots of debt and are facing a terrible job environment to exercise a whole lot of discretion. I certainly wouldn't.

I once had to explain to a UVA law student that wood floats. No joke.

Whatever floats your boattt.

30, hat doffed to you.

58 - ATL did a pretty good job of shaming (i) 1000 person firms to raise salaries in early 2007 and (ii) 1000 person firms to "match" the special bonus in late 2007. If you believe that firms would have matched salaries and bonuses as quickly without ATL providing day-by-day coverage, I think you would have to cash in your 4.0 communications degree.

Now, go and cry over your B in con-law.

~Not a Law Student

79 - Of course you have proof of any of this causation.

What a joke, you think firms care about above the law more than nalp stats, vault, am law, and the soon to be released us news rankings.

Your attempt to address anything I typed were...um..off. Not so off as for me to think you cannot read, but enough so that I think you cannot read well, remember, or understand what you are reading.

Btw - I got a A in con law, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't qualify me to make commentaries about what ATL can/cannot do. Apparently you feel differently.

Whatever... I am a UVA student, and this is totally a non-issue. This school and the students rocks the socks over 99.9% of all other law school students. Let's be real here, everyone talking shit about UVA didn't get it. This school literally is such a self-selected place it's awesome. I swear to God, I know so many people who turned down Harvard and Yale to come here it's ridic. So what Cravath isn't coming, they're a sinking ship and honestly, UVA student wouldn't have interviewed in huge numbers there b/c it's obvious it's not a place you want to be right now. Note this is a difference between us and a place like Harvard, where students probably will still go there in droves b/c of the fake prestige. UVA students don't fall for that shit, which in part is why we literally own the shit out of the other schools. Honestly, most of the time we are just partying and laughing at you guys and talking about how we could take you in a fight. But most importantly, UVA law grads literally school 99.9% of other lawyers in court - and that's where it realy counts (and really hurts for you). Hey buds, sorry, this is life, go big or go home.

81: Your self-bolstering is pathetic. I really hope you're some Michigan student trying to make UVA students look bad, because otherwise your lack of self-awareness is just frightening.

The silver lining to all of this for UVA students is that Hunton is a TERRIBLE place to work, especially the Richmond office.

You're better off going to midlaw. Seriously.

- Someone who's seen the H&W smoking lounge and lived to tell the tale.

This whole topic is a whole new category of stupid. The suggestion -- explicit or implied -- that Hunton is giving up on UVa (even temporarily) is literally the dumbest thing I've heard this year. And any suggestion that Hunton is so wounded by the economy that it would give up a chance to snag a rockstar UVa student lacks any factual basis whatsoever.

81: This is parody, right? UVA is only self-selectively insofar as it has a 40% in-state quota, and in-staters who get admitted often times wouldn't get into any similarly ranked school. And we've gone over the "how many students reject Yale" thing before -- the number each year is really really small, and most go to H or S. The rest of the assertions are too ridiculous to respond to.

Cravath is doing this so they can honor the commitments they've already made. Would it be better for them to do LATHAM NY style layoffs ? I commend Cravath's commitment to their current and incoming associates.

Good business move on Cravath's part. They're cutting future hiring in order to avoid massive, Latham NY style layoffs.

This makes an offer from Cravath that much more desirable because you know they're not just going to Latham you 4 months after you start.

Neither of these firms will be hiring anybody this year (although I suppose Cravath could hire a tiny class for next summer, roll them into the summer 2011 class, and have them all start in 2012 or 2013 once those 160 current summers finally get to start to work). My point is who really cares, neither firm has any jobs to offer. And the other employer to withdraw was Orrick (duh).

In-staters often get into similarly or higher ranked schools. But Virginia offers a bit of a tuition break for them. What's not to like?

UVA=Irrevelant next to H, S & Y.

90 - Yah, sure bra.

81-- HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA OMG, please PLEASE tell me that's a joke. Like, are you kidding,..you've got to be kidding? You're school is nothing, and no one cares about it. Harvard kids are HArvard kids because they are the best, and people at Cravath are people at Cravath because they are the best. They pulled out of UVA because, frankly, they do need to make up for past huge classes with a small class, and UVA just doesn't make the cut for who they want to hire in a year where they want and need to be ultra selective for such few spots. Sinking ship my ass. It's called riding out the storm.

And, this doesnt go out just to you, but for all of you idiots who think that people at Harvard, or Stanford or Yale for that matter never party and just sit and study all day: NEWSFLASH:
WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT JOBS. The bottom of the barrel out our schools still get choice firm jobs. Thus, WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT GRADES. This equals-- Three years of FUN.

Every other school needs good grades, i.e. you have to study. A lot.

End of discussion

84 = Marty Steinberg

But I assume Cravath is stilling going to GULC, yes?

92 - "You're school"? Are you kidding me? HAAAARvard indeed. Ain't what it used to be, I guess.

81 - in the off chance that you are serious...I also knew a lot of people at law school that "turned down Harvard and Yale" to attend my non-HYS law school.

You must be very gullible.

wow 95, I'm sure you've never made a typo in your whole entire life

seriously to all the people bitching about typos on this blog-- its a fucking comment on a blog post, not a memo.

half the reason the people at harvard are at harvard and the people who aren't, aren't, is because we know the difference between what fucking matters and what doesn't.

92 -- cravath is for losers. everyone knows that the best law students go to places like williamsconnolly, munger, wachtell, etc. cravath is for people wh ogot dinged at these other places. you know it. NOBODY has cravattth has their #1 choice.

"Harvard kids are HArvard kids because they are the best, and people at Cravath are people at Cravath because they are the best."

Harvard kids are Harvard kids because they got rejected from Yale. People at Cravath are people at Cravath because they got rejected from WLRK.

99- you are in idiot, and prob went/go to Yale.

Everyone in the world knows Harvard is the biggest brand name in the academic world. If you think Yale carries the same weight, you really are an idiot.

And as for Cravath, Cravath has been the top firm around forever. Just because it is a lot bigger and therefore by definition has to accept more people than WLRK, W&C, Munger, etc. means absolutely nothing. If you think those little boutiques hold a candle to Cravath, you are also an idiot.
Cravath is the most or one of the most respected in almost every practice area it practices, and it practices in a lot of areas. Can't say that about any of those firms you mentioned.
Wachtell-litigation? LAUGH
Munger- M&A ? LAUGH
W&C- anything but D.C. lit? LAUGH

100: If you look carefully, you'll see I only mentioned one firm.

-99

I just assumed you and the other loser were the same commenter

Will somebody please tell me what the fuck a Munger is?

"I just assumed you and the other loser were the same commenter"

You should have considered the possibility that more than one person would mock your ridiculously defensive tone. No one who goes from HLS to Cravath should sound anywhere near the way you do.

-99

103 - Well, you know, when people try to debate whether L&W or GDC is more prestigious in CA, Mungers and Irells are the people you hear laughing.

105 - So they're people with no class?

The UVA bashing on this site is really frightening. This is one of the best law schools in the country, packed with intelligent, ambitious, accomplished, and most importantly, WELL-ADJUSTED kids. UVA has a well-deserved reputation for producing great lawyers and fun-loving people. I think a lot of the bashing comes from ill-adjusted ugly (not physically--emotionally) people who really have nothing to offer but their intellects. Bash away. I can assure you that, in the end, the UVA kids will be better off in life.

97 - 95 here. I'll begrudge you the occasional typo, here and there, but, please, you've GOT to be kidding me. The difference between "Your" and "You're" is so stark and elementary it is ingrained in any sensible person's mind prior to graduation from elementary school.

I imagine YOU'RE going to next tell me that YOUR friend from HAAARvard makes the same mistake all the time with respect to "Theirs," "They're" and "There."

I heard Harvard's admissions polices became more lax in the past couple decades, but come on. What a joke.

108--- no you're (see i used it right there) just a fucking tool. it's extremely easy to make the mistake, especially when you really dont give too much of a shit what you are writing when you're writing it. sometimes when you type fast, typos come out. and sorry, i dont proofread my above the law posts. im too busy with the sick job i got because of my harvard education to care whether my typos offend some hofstra grad at hughes hubbard

98--- sorry you got rejected by cravath bro

107-- please see 81 -- and then ask yourself about hte UVA bashing on this board

108 - I guess the second time's the charm. For what it's worth, the only people I've known to make that mistake past the age of 15 or 16 were likely playing with a deck stacked with an extra chromosome.

Glad to see you got a sweet job b/c of the name on your diploma - not yours, but the school's. Enjoy it while it lasts. I suggest you bone up on your grammar or get used to getting boned by your boss - the only two ways you have a shot at keeping that job.

111, I'm not saying that UVa is devoid of fratty overconfident kids. I'm simply saying that the level of bashing of UVa for no rational reason is ridiculous. If we were to bash every school for its particular brand of douchebaggery, every school in the top 20 would get skewered.

I'm a rising UVA 2L. Please disregard 81's post. It can't be real. No one here sucks that badly.

It costs money to interview on campus, including the campus fee to recruit at the school, attorney travel for at least one attorney (hotel, airfare, hospitality dinners, suites etc., lost attorney time on billable work.

Firms wants to trim fat and OCI is one place to do it. It won't happen at all schools, but it will at many. Local schools in the job market will benefit.

Also, firms don't have to spend the money anymore when so many students are sending emails that say: I will be in [insert name of town} and would like to interview for a summer job. Why would I travel to places like Charlottesville if I can avoid the time and cost.

BTW, I really like the UVA candidates that my firm has seen and tend to want to hire from there. If unconveniently located schools like UVA, Wash & Lee, W&M, Wash U., Vandi, Duke, etc. want to place people in cities like SF, NYC, Boston, and even DC, schools and students need to make it easy/cheap for the firm. For example,

Don't charge for OCI, start later in the morning so I don't have to come the night before, don't make me waste interview slots on students that don't meet my grade criteria, make arrangements for students to come to me at no cost to me, ie., the hotel days in DC, NYC and Boston.

92, as a partner at a large firm, I can say without hesitation that I usually like UVA candidates better than HLS and have have better experiences over time with UVA associates. Can't say why, but it is true.

117-- as a partner at a large firm--- get the fuck off above the law. UVA troll

Who wants to work for Hunton anyway? They are at best a regional firm pretending to be a top tier firm, they do not pay their associates well, had been conducting stealth layoffs way before the market crashed and had layoffs that were not based on hours billed or abilities but on who was a better butt kisser to the psycho partners who run the place.