The best part of the MPRE is taking it again in 5 years when you need admitted to a jurisdiction that requires a current MPRE score, like Virginia.

2 - I prefer watching a girl in a tank top rubbing herself.

I failed the MPRE, which made me feel like an idiot. Then I took it again, doing more than two hours of studying, and I passed.

It's like the bar. It is not hard, but you need to do the work.

Seriously, if you think you failed the MPRE you should just hang it up and go find a job working fast food. If you think the MPRE is bad, the bar exam will have you for lunch. Go find a new career.

5 - That was way harsh, Tai.

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if you didn't study, then no, you're not an idiot for failing.

study kids. don't listen to the douchebags who say you don't need to. you'll probably end up failing by 2 points and having to take it over.

Don't listen to jerks that make themselves feel big by putting others down anonymously like #5.

There's a good chance, depending on what number your jurisdiction requires you to achieve (especially 80+), that you will fail the exam without putting in at least some work. My thoughts were, why disregard the test, despite it's "easy" reputation? Just put in the four or five hours or so to do all or most of the BarBri practice exams and you're all but guaranteed to pass. And FYI, most people walk out feeling like they failed it even if you have done all the work, because like the Bar Exam, they know how to tweak the question just enough to make you insecure. But relax, put in the minuscule amount of work and you'll be solid. I hit a 106 after attending the useless BarBri lecture but doing all the practice exams -- and not feeling like I aced it after being finished.

I thought I failed the MPRE, but scored 100 (the average). I only studied about 10 hours for it (put in perspective, I studied 600 for the state bar and about 75 for the patent bar).

I don't know of anyone who's actually failed it, but I know of some very smart people who came close because they didn't study that much. Almost everyone I know of thought they failed it when they walked out.

I'm with 2 in that I've been practicing for several years and had to take it again (for colorado).

I'm with 4 in that the first time I took it I failed it and then I studied two hours and passed it.

And I'm with everyone else who walked out of the exam yesterday thinking "I failed it."

The main thing about it was that in the practice exams I was very confident I got the correct answer for about 70-80% of the questions, and my hunches were generally confirmed. Yesterday I was only fairly confident that I got the correct answer for only about 20-30% of the questions, and very confident for about 10%. Not good.

Sorry, I'm not moving to Iowa. I don't care if there are jobs for lawyers there.

That test was a joke. Didn't study and passed with flying colors. Didn't you take prof. responsibility in school? I took the MPRE that semester. Nothing says you have to wait.

The Iowa thing was interesting. I've always wondered where graduates of law schools like U. Iowa go.

11 = Roxana

Study for half a day and you are golden. I got a 120 and studied for one afternoon.

Took it yesterday, it wasn't quite a piece of cake but it was certainly not brain surgery. There a couple of questions (3 or 4) where I looked at the thing and thought to myself "I have no clue". Other than that though it was very fair and I'm reasonably confident I got at least the 86 I need. It's the first test I've ever taken where the obvious answer actually IS the right one. Over-analyzing on the MPRE will kill you.

Whatever you do, don't buy the Supreme Bar Review MPRE book or solely rely on the questions from the MPRE web site. Those are much easier than the actual questions. Luckily I ordered the (then free, not sure if it is anymore) Kaplan online course. Their practice questions were more similar to what was actually on the exam.

All in all, it was definitely hard, but not so hard that I wind up in the bottom 25% of test-takers and have to do it again (famous last words...)

I brought my Barbri outline into the test room with me. Was that unethical?

I thought the worst part of the MPRE was trying to figure out where to catch the G train to Pratt and then waiting on line in a pretty severe snowstorm. The test itself was easy.

I billed the time that it took me to take the MPRE to each client of mine (time divided by quantity of clients, and applied each fraction, rounded up to the nearest 8-hour day, that is). Was this unethical?

I studied for a day and a half (but was hungover most of that time). I left the exam feeling like shit but ended up passing by one question.

Unless you struggled on the overwhelming majority of questions, chances are you passed.

But failing isnt a big deal at all. Don't listen to the douchebags who say you are doomed. One of my good friends failed by one question and I made fun of him for like 9 months - but that is the only consequence of failing - getting made fun of by everyone who passed....

He passed the second time.

Where's MysTTTal? I miss him!

22 = Elie

18: No, not in Kentucky. Alabama may shoot you for that, though.

How do you fail this exam? You can learn all you need to know in a day. Seriously. The exam is a joke.

I studied for probably 5-10 hours and passed with a 114. The law school I attend requires us to take a PR course, but I had not taken it before I took the MPRE. My strategy was either to 1) know the answer (which was true for maybe 25% of the questions or 2) guess between the two answers that said "this is unethical because...." and then just guess the reasoning for it. I figured they weren't going to fail me for being too ethical. So, when it doubt, just say it's unethical.

After the test, I was sure I failed. I actually did quite well. The results are totally unpredictable. Just try to forget it until the scores come out.

Are you f-ing serious? An open thread about the MPRE?

There are absolutely no consequences for failing the MPRE, save a registration fee. And if you do somehow happen to fail it, just study a bit next time and you'll pass.

Meanwhile, many of us just took the bar, are struggling after being deferred/ditched by BigLaw in this terrible economy, and are trying desperately to resuscitate our careers that were crushed before we even had a chance to start... regardless of our credentials or reviews last summer.

Don't intend to be harsh, but keep it in perspective. The MPRE is no big deal. The Bar Exam is a much bigger deal, but you're very likely to pass anyway. However, what has happened in the last 12-18 months with the economy is killing many of us. Save your anxiety for securing and hanging onto a sweet job--not for worrying about the meaningless MPRE.

I studied using Kaplan's tools and found the test to be very easy. Took the test in Phoenix and other than it being held at the ghetto community college downtown it was all just fine.

Arizona requires an 85 so I decided to put in some extra time, smoke the test and never worry about it again.

"if you didn't study, then no, you're not an idiot for failing."

Um, yes you are. You are an idiot *because* you didn't study.

The irony, or course, is that lawyers are generally scumbags who are ethically challenged. Don't believe me? Go work at one of the biglaw firms conducting stealth layoffs and tell me how ethical the partners are. HTFH.

No need to study for the MPRE I attended to barbri lecture then took the exam the next week, scored near 120 and my state requires 80 to pass

Eh. Study. I think I did a bunch of questions from the book they give you. But, after the bar, this is not really a big deal.

Kids at my high school used to not study for the MPRE and then fail it all the time. It was no big deal.

I thought the MPRE was not so bad, but my GF thought it was impossible--it made her so mad she rocked my world all night. I guess I hope she failed so she can take it again . . .

I'm with 28 on the not-passing the first time bit.

If you fail it, so what? Pay your registration fee a second time, study, and pass. It's like $55 or something like that?

In terms of stress the MPRE is NOT a big deal. Don't give yourself an ulcer over it. Study and do your best.

I got an 83 because I'm a slippery, dishonest bastard. Mind you, the real screwball sh*tbags I know got in the 130's.

I only studied for about 6 hours and got a 135. Piece of cake.

I took it last August -- went to the 4-5 hour BarBri lecture, skimmed the CMR outline, and did 2 practice exams in the BarBri book. Grand total of about 12 hours of studying. On the practice exams, I was only getting about 55-60% correct, so I was pretty worried I was right on the threshold of failing. And in fact, I walked out of the exam pissed off thinking I failed (most others I talked to had the same feeling). Found out a little later I actually got a 138. Funny how that happens...

everyone walks out worried, everyone passes. you need a 75 in nj and an 85 in ny. seriously. thats on a 50-150 scale. i got a 116 without even trying.

another completely worthless money maker for the companies that give a lot of money to the right politicians...much like years 2 and 3 of law school. no one i knew "failed" it, i know it happens, just never saw it.

got 4 points above passing in CA. studied a loose 10 hrs for that passing mark, but didn't internalize much. good idea to learn it, though, before the CA bar, as much of it is relevant to CA Professional Responsibility essays.

Nice Clueless reference 6, well played.

About 50% of Iowa law grads aren't from Iowa and leave the state after graduation (not that there's anything wrong with it -- it's a lovely place to spend three years). Lots of us have Big Law jobs in major markets. Many people get jobs in Chicago and Minneapolis, and a fair number are on the coasts. Though some people stay in-state, the general view is that if you want to be an Iowa lawyer, you go to Drake.

only know of one person who failed, and he is a complete moron. my guess is that mpre failures are at least smart enough to lie about their score

I blew it off and failed by 3 points (kinda like what #7 said). I actually studied this time around and knew every answer except for 3 on this test. Blowing it off and just missing felt like someone kicked me in the junk. Fuck that.

If you're worried about MPREs right now you're an idiot. There are much bigger concerns than this

It's easy- if you study it, you'll probably pass- and if you fail, you can just keep taking it every few months- it's really no big deal- certianly not worth its own thread.

I took it once and passed it- I have no idea what my score was- I made have aced it or passed by a point- who cares, it doesn't matter.

There are two things which someone who is about to take the MPRE should be worried about: (1) passing the bar and (2) getting a job after law school.

I didn't answer the last 5 questions. I still got a 118.

I snorted cocaine every day I had planned to study. Taking the subway on the way to the testing site, I looked at the cover of the Barbri book. It was purple, like my cockhead, proudly guiding the way for my the remainder of my noble shaft. I thrusted my pencil in arrythmic bursts at the answer sheet for twelve minutes, and then slabbed my gob in a chick's ear at the next table. I spent a few moments watching my man syrup dripping sensuously out of her ear like the overstimulated clit of a squirter, then I left. I got a 148.

Remember question 87? Anyone know the answer?

Q. A woman retains you to be her lawyer. She has been accused of arson. She is also very hot. The particulars of the criminal charge are that she broke into her ex-boyfriend's house, pushed his sofa into the middle of the room and set it on fire using a match and lighter fluid. The fire burned itself out leaving soot on the ceiling but not singeing it or otherwise damaging the structure of the house. She starts flirting with you and offers to give you a blowjob.

A. She is guilty of arson
B. She is not guilty of arson but you will have acted unethically if you let her blow you.
C. She is not guilty of arson and you will not have acted unethically if you let her blow you.
D. You can be disbarred for commingling bodily fluids with a clients'.
E. You should let her blow you and then take her money because she's not guilty and it's an easy fee. However, you should not tell her where you live.

The MPRE answer is "C" but the real life answer is "E".

God I'm glad I'll never have to take those stupid tests again.

I wouldnt sweat it too much, I only did a few question sets a couple days before then the day before hit it hard and got a 93. You'll probably be fine. I came out of the exam feeling like I failed for sure. Keep that head up

31 -- I think you are confusing "ethical" with "nice." Either that or you seem to believe its a successful persons ethical obligation to carry dead weight.

Eiether way, you are a retard. Just to clear up any futur confusion, your unemployment and residence in your mom's basement shouldn't be considered "pro-bono."

The MPRE is a joke. I hadn't taken PR, studied for an hour and a half (mostly in the parking lot just before the exam), and got a 102. To be fair, I walked out of the test having no idea what my score would be, but I was pretty sure I'd picked up the 40 out of a possible 100 points, which is all that's required in every jurisdiction. Total waste of time.

Also, anyone who got over a 110 spent too much time studying and is clearly a loser.

44 = top 10 or 20% of the class at Iowa.

If you are in the top 10 or 20% at Iowa, yes, you MAY be able to get "biglaw" jobs. And by biglaw jobs I mean the medium sized firms in Chicago, Minneapolis, Kansas City etc. Of that, a few get jobs in the typical "biglaw" areas but its just a handful.

Look at the employment statistics. http://www.law.uiowa.edu/careers/stats-emp-2000-2004.php

Mind you this is 2008. 52% of our grads go into private practice. The average salary is ~$102,000. Half of our graduates stay in the "West North Central" area after graduation. Then look at the "where do Iowa Alumni live and work" thing and it shows states where there are "more than 70 Alumni". Its a show to make it look like Iowa is great. We have 9000 alumni and its lists states where we have more than 70 alumni so we can blot out a lot more states.

So yes, some do get big firm jobs. A few. I know one going to Latham, one going to Jones Day and one going to Wilkie. I know considerably more that are unemployed right now. Just wait until then 2009 statistics are listed. See how creative they can get on making it look good.

55 = replying to self.

The ~$102,000 figure if the average for private practice. Our grads that go into "business" make better salaries than those that go into private practice.

Didn't take Barbri and studied about 4 hours on my own.

TTT here, but I passed (by the skin of my teeth...needed an 85, got an 87).

Just take the free Barbri review, and you will be overprepared. No use studying on your own like I did (I had not yet paid the barbri deposit so could not take class).

The MPRE is easy as long as you spend some time studying. If you studied for any measurable amount of time, you probably did fine; everybody walks out thinking that it was much harder than they expected. Just remember how low the bar is for passing the MPRE. There are lots of dumbasses who've taken and passed it before you (like myself).

OMG who the F cares about Iowa...seriously?!

59, fuck off.

55, I agree with 44 and am not quite sure what your beef is. Is Iowa a private law school in the top 15? No. It's a public law school, consistently in the 20s, comparable to its peer group of Minnesota, Illinois, OSU and Indiana. All of the schools in our range place their top 20% with journal experience into Biglaw, the next 20% or so get regional jobs, and after that it gets spotty and there's a lot of initial unemployment (though a year out the number gets close to 100%). That's just how it is. Iowa's not unique in this. And yeah, a lot of my friends went to Chi and Minn. But I also have at least 5 friends in New York, 2 in San Francisco, about 10 in DC, one in Pitt, 2 in Delaware -- at firms like Skadden, Covington, Wison Sonsini, K&L Gates and Latham. And that doesn't include federal clerkships.

Took it at Jacob Javits. Bunch of winners from Columbia wore Columbia law t shirts. Very toolish. Also, I think I saw the only black female that attends UVA law there. I knew this only because she was wearing at UVA law shirt.

If you fail the MPRE, go immediately to an emergency room because you may be dead.

Lansing, MI site seemed pretty well-run, nice sunny day, test was straightforward. Almost makes you forget we've got 15% unemployment here and our school's got a whopping six employers showing up for OCI, two of 'em government and two requiring accounting backgrounds.

If you read the rules or barbri's mini outline, did at least 3 of the practice tests, you'll be fine. I did just that and score well above 85.

I went to the barbri lecture, read their outline once the night before, left a dozen questions blank because i didn't leave enough time to transfer answers i circled on the question sheet to the scantron, and passed easily. This is the sort of exam where no one fails or knows anyone that did, but everyone knows a rumor of someone who did. It's a joke.

I took it about 6 months ago and I don't remember anything. Does that mean I probably have a brain tumor?

I listened to Chemerinsky tapes a few times and went into the test feeling like I knew nothing. Scored a 110. As long as you reviewed the material somewhat and know the rules you will do fine. It isn't difficult if you studied

It's not difficult because you need a 50% score to pass the test. It's horseshit. If you fail, quit.

63, how much does Cooley charge? Do they kiss you? It's nice to get kissed when you're getting fucked.

Spent a dayish studying for the MPRE and felt like I failed on the way out, but everyone else said the same thing. Need a 86 to pass (CA), so we'll see what happens in 5 weeks.

68: According to their website around thirty-eight grand, but sorry, not a Cooley student. Not getting screwed either, I got mine. Feel bad for the 2Ls, though, they look to be up a creek without a paddle.

Only I came hear to say is, why the fuck does the bar exam also test PR when we already have the MPRE? What the fuck is the point of the MPRE if we have to write an entire essay on PR for the bar? Seems pointless. Anyways, I passed both on first kick, all you need to do is put in the hours studying, you'll be fine.

I had to take it again about 6 months ago after being a lawyer for 30 years. Studied a few on-line (Googled) outlines of professional ethics courses in law school, read the two codes (professional and judicial) and took the tests available on the MPRE site. Didn't take any courses and didn't get any "professional" cram books. Studied about 15 hours. Passed with a 106.

If you studied you most likely passed. Everyone I know who did not pass the MPRE did not study. They did not attend a lecture, read an outline or even do practice problems. Most people come out of the test feeling not so great about it, so I wouldn't worry too much.

If you studied you most likely passed. Everyone I know who did not pass the MPRE did not study. They did not attend a lecture, read an outline or even do practice problems. Most people come out of the test feeling not so great about it, so I wouldn't worry too much.

Studying is not necessary. . . . All you have to do is choose the option to each question that results in your making less money. I utilized this study method and passed easily.

I took the MPRE in March 2008... I studied for like 3days... read the small outline of barbri, went to the barbri lecture and took 3 to 4 practice exams.... I got a 107 on the MPRE and passed my first time.... .I just finished the bar in July and am praying that my MBE score is as good as my MPRE score... I basically did the same thing for the MBE although wasn't able to to take as many full exams... Good luck to everyone.. wait till you take the 200 full day MBE... the MPRE will seem like a cake walk...

Oh and one more thing.... I finished the exam 20min early on exam day... I was flying... I guess I knew it... I flew also on the MBE... I Pray I knew it....

Two years ago, I took the MPRE. I'm no rocket scientist... I go to a top 50 school, but have never been recommended for MENSA or anything. I went to Bar Bri's review, didn't take notes, and then did no further studying whatsoever. I passed.

I don't really know what this tells anyone, or whether it's good to encourage people not to study. However, I did just sit for the bar exam... and I can say, it sounds a little bit absurd to hear anyone freak out about the MPRE. If this thing shook you, make sure to get some perspective on life before you sit for the bar, because THAT experience was fucked up.

I had to take it again Friday because I'm taking the Florida bar, and they wouldn't take my MPRE score from 2001. I studied using the free Kaplan online course and I probably passed, but it was actually harder than I remembered.

I took it at Jacksonville University with a bunch of UF law students (BTW--forgot what huge d-bags law students are). The admissions ticket suggested that the test would start at 9, so I got there by 8 to make sure I had plenty of time to sign in and most everyone else did too. They made us wait outside and did not even start setting up the registration tables until 9, then we had to wait in a long line. This was, again, all outside and even though it was early, it was sunny and already hot. Everybody smelled by the time we go to our rooms. It was gross.

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Congrats to the Iowa students. Sucks you have to live in Iowa.

anyone know what states make you retake the MPRE after a set amount of years?? THAt blows... I hope mine doesn't... thanks

agree with #80. if you cannot pass the MPRE with no studying, you are unfit to practice law.

If you already took PR, don't waste any more than 2-3 hours going to the lecture and doing sample questions. If you haven't taken PR, you might have to put in a little more time but not much. Maybe 5-6 hours total.

If you studied and you still failed, you are an idiot. If you didn't study and failed, you just flushed 50 bucks down the toilet.

I got a 190

Someone cheated at the MPRE Phoenix College with a notecard in his pocket. Lame. Two witnesses saw the guy. What a lame dude to cheat on the MPRE.

Took it at Brooklyn Law. Looked like at least 300 people there (and you wonder why it's tough to get a job in NY!) Either I passed or I didn't. One guy spent 15 minutes before the exam pacing back and forth over about 4 feet in one corner of the room like he was having a nervous breakdown--for the MPRE!; he BETTER not be in the same room for the Bar Exam--I might have to kill him!

Studied for about 20 minutes for the MPRE after having PR in school about a year earlier. Passed with an 86, well worth my 20 minutes review of the condensed outline. Looks like I need to take it again in Nov though b/c I am planning on taking FLA bar. If you don't pass the MPRE, you need to ask yourself if you really want this. The bar exam is MUCH harder. Maybe drop out of law school. Recent ABA study, 60% of lawyers would not have gone into law.

This is the easiest exam I've taken -- as it pertains to law. Results aren't in yet (figure they'll be in about Sept. 15), but I would be shocked if I got something less than 125.

I used the Barbri materials to study. Study for a couple of days. No more. The practice questions -- and answers -- are all you need.

If you put in a little study time (but not too much), there is no reason to fail.

My score was posted today. It the lowest of low and I am thinking, "No way". Then again...Perhaps I am not as brililant as I thought I was. I requested that they recheck it. I imagine this will take time. In the mean time,I won't bother to take it again until I graduate and can focus better. I have two more years to go!