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Kids Are Refreshingly Naive About The Legal Profession

kids with lawyers.jpgThis past weekend we spent some time in Charlotte, North Carolina, where the houses are big (compared to Manhattan apartments), the downtown is small, and lawyers make time for inspirational lunches with school children. Or so we read in the Charlotte Observer:

It’s not every day that an eighth-grader gets to sit down to lunch with a lawyer, but it happens once a month for nearly 80 Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools students.

CMS’ “Lunch with a Lawyer” program helps middle schoolers who are interested in law careers learn more about the profession by getting to know a lawyer.

The article offers a refreshing take on why people become lawyers. See your profession through the eyes of 12-year-olds, after the jump.

Among the students in attendance was Tong Fang, 12, who sat at the table reserved for Jay M. Robinson Middle. She’s considering the legal profession because she thinks it’ll offer a nice-paying job and “some satisfaction that you did something right.”

Nice-paying job? Very possible (although perhaps less possible than it used to be). Satisfaction that you did something right? Maybe not, if you opt for the high-paying Biglaw job instead of the legal services gig, Tong.

A few tables away, Southwest Middle’s Geophrey Darrow said television’s “Law and Order” program makes criminal defense appealing to him.

“I always wanted to be the one who said, ‘My client is innocent because …’”

We think this kid has what it takes. It’s not about representing innocent clients, it’s about saying the right thing to present them as innocent.

The host for last week’s luncheon was Mecklenburg County Superior Court Judge Albert Diaz, who handles complex business cases for the court and also recruits lawyer mentors for the lunch program.

Diaz told the students a law degree provides unlimited career opportunities.

Laid off lawyers, did you catch that? No fears for you. Your opportunities are unlimited!

Students get taste of law profession [Charlotte Observer]

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1 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:00 PM

These pretzels are making me ....

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2 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:00 PM

first

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3 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:01 PM

Opportunities are unlimited, unless you're obsessed with being a BigLaw doc review pawn for 9-13 years of your career (prior to being asked to leave the firm because you had no demonstrable legal skills and a non-existent book of business, despite billing 2800 hours every year).

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4 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:01 PM

2= fail.

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5 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:02 PM

LOL at the picture

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6 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:06 PM

I assume Diaz taught the valedictorian how to enter evidence into the record, the salutatorian how to write a brief ,and the rest the difference between a responsive and non-responsive document?

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7 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:07 PM

Nice post. Get back to the issues, Oprah.

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8 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:09 PM

Unlimited opportunitites my ass. Going to trade school provides you with more opportunities than going to law school.

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9 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:09 PM

Jeez, can we have some more news about summer offers? Is that asking too much?

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10 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:10 PM

Mystal stole some kid's lunch for sure.

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11 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:10 PM

We should make it mandatory for eighth graders to be visited by lawyers all around the country, particularly by the harried and gruff BigLaw variety.
What better way to reduce the ever-increasing number of law grads being churned out every year.

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12 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:11 PM

You hear that Roxanna? Unlimited.

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13 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:12 PM

Someone should level with these kids and tell them that if they go to law school they will most likely either not be able to find a job in law, or find a job in law that they do not like.

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14 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:15 PM

For those of you complaining about there being too many law schools - that is not the problem. The problem begins here, in events like the one in this article. As long as people want to go to law school, new law schools will propagate to meet the demand and armies of law students will flood the market.

The kids in this article are to be forgiven - I certainly had some illogical career aspiration when I was 12. But the truth needs to come out. But perhaps the biggest offenders are the overly-optimistic impressions given by law school prospectuses.

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15 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:15 PM

Thank god more average students are being encouraged to go into law with the promise of high income, interesting work and job stability.

16 Posted by Stan Emeritus | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:17 PM

Do they have to eat the school lunch? In the words of Marvin Young, "I'm brown baggin' it."

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17 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:19 PM

When lawyers came to my middle school they stressed that being a lawyer was not like tv and that you would spend maybe 5% of your time in the courtroom. They could say 5% with a straight face because they were usually real lawyers and not biglaw lawyers.

Am I the only one who had honest lawyers come to career day at middle school? I knew what I was getting into when I signed up for law school. And in college/law school we all knew that the high paying biglaw jobs would not even reach 5% of time in court.

18 Posted by Your Crushing Debt | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:19 PM

Don't worry kiddies, I am your friend. I will help you be successful...
Go to the best law school you can, regardless of the price. Your second summer, you'll be something called a "summer associate." Doing real attorney work for important clients. During this summer you'll make enough money to pay for your third year of law school. That fall, the firm you summered at will offer you your first job as a lawyer where you'll make $160,000 a year.. plus bonuses!!! You see, I'll be gone in no time.

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19 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:22 PM

Am I only the one who thinks it's terrific that the kid who wants to be a defense lawyer is named Darrow?

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20 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:25 PM

ATL has achieved internet nirvana...comment characters that are derived from other comment characters. Beautiful.

21 Posted by Partner Emeritus | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:25 PM

I will volunteer some friendly parental advice for fathers and mothers. If your child wants to become a lawyer, I propose you do the following to ascertain their potential success in the profession. Let's say you have a 10 year old child who happened to watch some re-runs of the Paper Chase or LA Law and he/she says "Daddy, mama, I want to be a lawyer." As a parent here is what you do. Tell your child from now until they are 16, they have to forfeit their allowance. If your child asks why, remind him/her that if they want to be a lawyer, they will comply without question. On your child's 16th birthday, buy a cylinder tube box and place a blank sheet of paper inside. Give the box to your child and say congratulations, you are now a lawyer. Your child will be flummoxed but that is to be expected. You explain to your child that in real life, young people throw hundreds of thousands of dollars for a worthless piece of paper known as a law degree. Then, you tell your child to mow the lawn, rake the leaves, wax on, wax off and so forth during ages 17-18. Advise your child that the piece of paper earned on his/her 16th birthday is a passport to perform menial work around the house. Then, if your child still wants to be a lawyer, he/she will have proven to be a natural born attorney.

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22 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:26 PM

unlimited opportunities to . . . redact privileged documents!

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23 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:29 PM

Why is Stephen Curry in the picture?

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24 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:31 PM

I've got to admit, I'm not usually a PE fan, but that comment is hilarious.

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25 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:31 PM


I am dissappointed that ATL did not alert us that they would be in Charlotte. I am sure there are many lawyers in Charlotte that would love to meet, in person, the editors of this wonderful website.

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26 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:33 PM

These folks are practicing to be law school admissions/recruitment staff. Those are the only a-holes out there that still believe that a JD is a gateway degree to "unlimited" opportunities. Complete bull. A JD qualifies you to be one thing a lawyer and even that is a debatable statement. Sure, if you want to be a carpenter, you can still get a JD, but you will need to learn how to cut wood somewhere other than law school just like the admissions people learned how to lie somewhere other than law school

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27 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:35 PM

My favorite is contracts incorporating terms of other documents and, when receiving those documents, seeing many of those terms redacted.

Um....

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28 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:38 PM

( . )( . )

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29 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:42 PM

That post by PE is so good I think we have an impostor.

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30 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:46 PM

"unlimited career opportunities."

O Rly.

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31 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:47 PM

Only 29 comments so far and already:

-23 with the funniest comment of the week

-PE with the funniest PE comment ever (though that is obviously a bar set low)

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32 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:54 PM

Comments should be closed now. 23 wins. Let's call it a day.

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33 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:00 PM

Who is Stephen Curry?

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34 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:18 PM

I suppose I should know this already, but are the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools accredited by the North Carolina Department of Education?

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35 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:23 PM

While I do not think 23's observation is funny, it is astute as that kid does look like Stephen Curry. Clearly 23 is spending time on the ESPN website when he should be reviewing documents. Get back to work BITCHES

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36 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:34 PM

These posts clearly demonstrate that we constantly "See your profession through the eyes of 12-year-olds..."

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37 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:44 PM

Well done, PE.

Elicited a chortle.

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38 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:51 PM

I await Roxanna's Breadline article about how she scares kids away from the law by "using her time well" and visiting local school to talk about her leagal experience, without showering first and covered in her cat's hair.

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39 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:52 PM

Why do people insist on perpetuating this myth that one can do anything with a law degree?

I'm going to use my law degree to become a surgeon! No, an astronaut! No, a veterinarian!

More like, if I don't want to be a lawyer, I'm going to go back to school to become a surgeon/astronaut/veterinarian, and then I'll be a surgeon/astronaut/veterinarian with a ridiculous amount of debt and two extra useless initials after my name. There is no reason to go to law school if you don't want to either practice law, or do something directly related to the law.

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40 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:53 PM

@$#% Blackberry - I await Roxanna's Breadline article about how she scares kids away from the law by "using her time well" and visiting local schools to talk about her legal experience, unshowered and covered in her cat's hair.

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41 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:03 PM

Why do litigators constantly say they practice COMPLEX business litigation? As if!!!

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42 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:13 PM

41 - "complex business cases" was referring to what the Judge handles. And in this case it is actually true. Judge Diaz is a judge on the NC Business Court which only has jurisdicition over "complex business cases."

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43 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:23 PM

Speaking of naive, apparently, New York Law School's 1L class (part-time and full-time) is upwards of 750 students.

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44 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:45 PM

43 - God help them. (Though currently my T14 (oooh) degree is equally worthless.)

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45 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:59 PM

I just agreed to coach a high school mock trial team. I'm part of the problem aren't I?

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46 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:05 PM

45 - Nah, those kids likely want to be trial lawyers (QE TM?), so they're most likely to succeed. It's the ones who should go to business school but instead will become corporate lawyers because "you can do anything with a law degree!!!!" that you should watch out for.

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47 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:36 AM

". . . learn more about the profession by getting to know a lawyer . . ."?

I assume this involves calling them at 10:00 on a Saturday night and asking them if they're stupid, threatening them by saying "Maybe you just really don't want to be here", explaining that "I will not, I repeat, not, be embarrassed" and muttering something about a "disgrace" and getting their secretary to do it.

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48 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:34 AM

As a recently laid-off Charlotte lawyer, I can attest the reason that events like this are happening in Charlotte is because there are a LOT of unemployed lawyers with time on their hands.

Did they mention that to the kids?

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