Firsty here!

Firsty here!

Suck it 2!!!

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Sounds like BS to me -- that villainous laugh gives it away as a Dickensian caricature by some disgruntled law student. No one laughs at stupid remarks like that in real life.

By the way, does anyone know whether Latham laid off first-years and, if so, what percentage? Also, were layoffs evenly applied to the whole first-year class or was any form of nepotism used? Thanks.

whats the f#@% is a UT? Is that like a UTI, urinary tract infection?

UT 3L with a V&E NYC offer.

Suck it 2Ls!

Oh god 5, you just made me throw up a little bit in my mouth.

I bet anyone who uses the word "Dickensian" in a blog post has a villainous laugh of his own.

That is atrociously bad advice. Jobless law students should refuse to work for law firms because they are "insensitive and rude," and instead should open their own shops and "do it better"? Yeah, good luck with that. When you're opening your own shop, remember that the name "I Can't Believe It's a Law Firm!" is already taken.

I overheard that Latham was planning to buy out Weil's Austin office, hire dozens of Texas Law students, and then fire everyone as they close the office just four months into their first year as associates.

I suppose that I should know the answer to this question, but is UT-Austin accredited by the American Bar Association? Does anyone know whether the school is a member of the Association of American Law Schools?

7 - pride comes before the fall

11, it is not. Note that this is about UT-Austin, not The University of Texas School of Law, which is accredited and well-respected. UT-Austin is an online knockoff that is not eligible for accreditation. It's rising 1L's take the baby bar and, if they pass, continue their studies and may take the Texas state bar (and only the Texas state bar) upon graduation. If they pass that, they may eventually get into other jurisdictions by reciprocity.

I like to think this "tipster" is Machiavellian and is just trying to persuade as many other people as possible to drop out of the biglaw race, thus improving his own changes. The only alternative is that he is quite the dumbass.

10- What form of market leading severance did you overhear?

I'm an associate at a large law firm and don't think "big firm life sucks." I started back when the economy was good - I liked it fine then and I like it fine now. Am I working out of my house whenever I want and making $2M a year, and spending several months a year in Hawaii or Tahiti or something? No. It's a job - not the best in the world, but not a terrible one either. Sorry - I'm not trying to undercut your coping mechanism, and I'm really sympathetic to law students and laid-off associates, but that's life.

The recruiters were just cutting up and being social with each other, but in a very stupid manner. It's one thing if they're insensitive, but they weren't even funny and insensitive.

Second, if I were a law student, I'd really be encouraging you.

How's OCI going at more prestigious schools like Colombia or Penn St.?

Attention 2Ls: If you don't like dark humor, you're not going to find much to enjoy about your job prospects for the next few years . . .

9, "instead should open their own shops and "do it better"? Yeah, good luck with that. When you're opening your own shop, remember that the name "I Can't Believe It's a Law Firm!" is already taken."

I think there's an interesting historical story here.

Imagine if you will, it's the early 1950's and an eager Harvard 1L holds the door open for some New York Firm Partners leaving after On Campus Interviews. (Ok, I'm not sure if they did OCI back then or not, but dramatic license and all that), and he hears one of the interviewers say "can you believe all those Kik**s that signed up to interview? As if we'd hire them."

He tells other students and one of them says "Fuck them, we should just go out and start up our own firms and do it better than them."

You know what? They did. The firms they started have names like Proskauer, Weil, Fried Frank, Paul Weiss and Skadden.

Of course we're not talking about an ethic group here but it pays to remember that there's always someone out there who can do what you do just as well as you can, and might be willing to do it just a little bit cheaper.

Weak story. Advice to tipster - grow some thicker skin if you want to make it in law, whether it's big law or anywhere else.

17, i hear that UPenn St is really suffering, even though they lure the recruiters with tickets set aside by joe pa himself. the satellite campus in philly, despite their feeble attempts to drop the "state" reference from the end of their name, are doing even worse given that the secondary market that is philly is drying up, and regional schools like UPenn State just can't compete into the northeast (and the south aint interested in northern boys, not to mentiona ll the layoffs in ATL, etc.).

How you like me now?

Could ATL please redact the tower on the law school's logo? It's pornographically phallic.

Here's a tip for the tipster: Justin Timberlake was speaking of you when he sang "Cry Me a River". Maybe you'd have better job prospects if you weren't on Facebook and ATL during contracts last year.

Good call on adding "-Austin" after the "UT." I would hate to confuse this law school with a different UT campus's law school.

This would never happen at UT-Knoxville

- SOUTHERN STUD DUDE WEARING FLIP FLOPS

13 = crappy shtick, produced by a disgruntled 2L who doesn't understand possessives.

Great Journalism, ATL. Elie must have had to meet his quota of lame stories for the day.

The tipster probably went too far in belittling the big firm lifestyle, but the point is that, contrary to what many law students believe, Biglaw is not the only way to go. Any idiot knows that it is going to be a good year for employers but you have to admit that making a joke of it surrounded by law students is pretty dumb. Law students need to put this all in some perspective. Life goes on and you can all have successful careers in or out of law. Don't let people, whether at OCI or on Above the Law comment boards, make you believe that you are below the Biglaw folks. Sure, the world needs specialists on North African FCPA stuff, but how many do we really need? Let the top 10% kids have that job and be happy. But you can still do something fulfilling. In my view the entrepreneurial lawyer is a rare and wonderful thing. If you have the nerve to start a firm and don't believe that making less than $250k a year is an insult, there is a place for you in law. And, as an earlier commenter noted, all of the firms with their names on the sides of giant buildings started with some entrepreneurialism and grit. If you provide the market with something that is needed in a way that the market can appreciate, you will be rewarded. Do not beg for a job during OCI. There are few of them anyway and there is more you can do. If this tipster can do it better, more power to him.

Tipster has a future in Fordham's career services office.

7, you are an idiot. How many people from UT could really have worked at V&E New York? You pretty much just outed yourself.

Firms interviewing at my school have been telling people *in interviews* what an "employer's market" it is this year. I think a lot of the lower-ranked firms are going to be in for a surprise when it turns out they can't actually afford to be as selective as they'd imagined (i.e., the exclusively top-third T10 students you made callbacks/offers to are whisked away by better firms, clerkships, and so on).

17 cracked me up. Elie, you need to get your head on straight. People say "UT-Austin" when referring to the undergraduate institution to distinguish it from UT's branch schools, but the law school is called "The University of Texas School of Law," or "UT Law," or just "Texas" if it's clear from context you're talking about the law school. I've never heard anybody refer to Harvard--Cambridge Law School or UVA--Charlottesvile.

I really think those 3Ls who graduate with no job should picket law school recruiting events/admitted student's days/whatever. A number of students holding up signs detaiing their outstanding debt numbers and jobless status would put a fire under the school's career services office and (help) put the lie to their post-graduation employment statistics. They have some time on their hands...

Quick clarification, in case you missed it Tuesday -

UT Law and the University of Central North Carolina are in fact affiliated. UCNC was founded as the UT system's first liberal arts university designed primarily for African American students in the state of North Carolina. UCNC is sometimes referred at "UT - Durham Campus." UCNC has cross-enrollment with UT Law and the two can essentially be regarded as the exact same law school.

Thx.

7 -

You're a complete tool. Try not to step on as many carcasses on your way to the top at V&E.

19, you and I both know that your historical analogy doesn't really apply. Those guys recognized a niche that could be filled and they did it. That landscape doesn't exist anymore. Now there are more lawyers than you can shake a stick at.

I mean, just because 150 years ago people could load up their wagons and head West into free and open country (save a few Indians), doesn't mean if you do it today there will be any free farmland waiting for you, right?

UT rocks!

SOUTHERN FRAT STUD WEARING ME KHAKIS, POLO SHIRT, AND SUNGLASSES WITH THE LITTLE STRING ATTACHED TO IT (SOMETIMES WITH A VISOR CAP)

13, what planet are you from? UT-Austin IS the University of Texas School of Law.... and

11, I damn well hope we're accredited. We're the #15 law school and I better not be paying money for a degree from an unaccredited school.

38 = epic fail

doesn't even know that the "LITTLE STRING" is called "Croakies," especially in frat vernacular.

13, what planet are you from? UT-Austin IS the University of Texas School of Law.... and

11, I damn well hope we're accredited. We're the #15 law school and I better not be paying money for a degree from an unaccredited school.

i'm V-10 secured, finishing an F-ing memo at 2AM, all i know is F big law. UT students do something else!

7 IS A FLAME!!!!! I know this summer's VE NYC class and NONE of them (UT or otherwise) would say something so stupid and cruel.

41, you probably should have checked accreditation status before enrolling.

UTTT

39...sarcasm and subtle satire are apparently completely lost on you.

US Law students were treated like they were the kings of the world - welcome to the real world dudes...

43, agreed, 7 is FLAME

37: "19, you and I both know that your historical analogy doesn't really apply. Those guys recognized a niche that could be filled and they did it. That landscape doesn't exist anymore. Now there are more lawyers than you can shake a stick at."

Perhaps, perhaps not.

I heard a quote the other day in a completely different context, but I think it's applicable here.

"There's always room for excellence."

An overcrowded market may mean it's harder to distinguish yourself, but the way you rise to the top is just the same now as it was back then. You try to do what you do better than everyone else who does it.

maybe the lack of offers at UT has something to do with the continued use of the bolo as the predominant tie worn with suits to interviews. listen, I know that sh*t is all good in texas but in other parts of the country it is a sign of insanity.

#13 and #11 are morons. This post is about University of Texas School of Law, which is the #15 ranked law school in the nation. And Above the Law should use a school's formal names so as not to confuse the retards without jobs.

#13 and #11 are morons. This post is about University of Texas School of Law, which is the #15 ranked law school in the nation. And Above the Law should use a school's formal names so as not to confuse the retards without jobs.

19 is right. That is what happened to a large extent. A bunch of marginalized guys will balls made their own destiny. They also were willing to work in "dirty" practices, like bankruptcy and litigation. Read The Shark Tank. It touches upon this.

Hey, 9 - ever hear of this guy? http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/joe_jamail/

I can see it in your eyes.You don't have a single fucking offer.

I see you every time you walk down the halls. You recover from your zombie-like trance just long enough to avert your eyes away from mine. The semester has worn you down and what do you have to show for it? You are a stump of a man.

You hope I don't start up a conversation with you because you know it will lead to the inevitable. That talk and pitter patter about plans for the summer. Great summer plans of getting wined and dined in some far off city. Great plans of meeting new people and getting paid to do nothing. Because you didn't get a single fucking offer. And I can see the pain in your eyes.

I had more callbacks than you had first-interviews. I had more offers than the number of firms who would even deign to look at you twice. I've been to more cities in 4 weeks than you or your grandchildren will ever set foot in during their entire lives. Chicago, New York, LA. I can tell you which airlines fly from which terminals and how many feet you have to walk to get to the 6:50 flight to LaGuardia from the 5:30 flight from O'Hare. I've had more money thrown at me on a single dinner than you spent on food in an entire month. Because you had heard about the stories of excess. And they wouldn't even let you glance inside the window.

For me, normalcy begins again when I write my last exam for my last final of this semester. But for you, it never begins. I see you in the library paging through your casebook. I see you rush to each of your classes: a sense of urgency in the way you move. Because you lost the 1L race, and you'd like to move just a little faster for the 2L one.

55 - what the hell are you talking about? I mean, kudos to whomever got high paying gigs in megafirms and are on their way to being senators or Fortune 50 CEOs or whatever, but is your success supposed to be some kind of insult to the rest of us? I don't want your job or your life. Maybe that makes me less than you. Maybe you are a total genius who is famously good in bed. Fabulous for you. But I can make my way with small business formation work, one wife, and the cheap seats at Cowboys stadium and be just fine. There is life outside Biglaw, even if that life is somehow below you.

Boomer Sooner - Texas Sucks.

V&E fucking sucks.

55 - ew. just yuck.

55 - I know the feeling. ah, it is good to be us. and 59, yuck urself.

you all know 55 stole that quote right? it's been printed on here about a dozen times

Just a little retro schtick, googled and C&P'd from around 2007. Remember those days? The original Autoadmit thread in which it appeared pointed out several flaws, such as that nobody changes planes en route from ORD to LGA. Nothin' but love.

-- 55 (and 98 in the current Vault thread, prompting the ire of some A Few Good Men fan).

The tipster is a whiny little bitch, who is a disgrace to the University of Texas. Face the facts, kid. It's a buyer's market in big law. Don't cry when someone just states a fact.

I hope Joe Jamail comes there and personally kicks your pansy ass.

p.s. 57 - OU sucks, at everything.