ROTC does NOT contribute to society.

i was first here and in the breadline thread

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Pull-leeeezzzz. All bullshit.

As a U Penn Law grad, I'm happy to see my law school's parent institution in the top 10.

You think cops contribute to society? All they do is shoot and jail innocent people.

Elie,

Has Future Elie attempted to contact you? Has he warned you about the consequences of your chronic overeating?

Future Elie, where are you?

Latham would do well in a law firm version of these rankings. Latham associates dedicate 100% of their billable hours to pro bono, they spend the rest of their time on non billable research projects, and many associates graduate to unemployment within 4 months versus a projected employment term of many years.

How can this be an annual study yet still have the worst criteria imaginable. I would have thought after the first year they published the list so many people would point out the idiocy that they would correct it. Or maybe this is their corrected criteria?

6, last month, a cop found the idiot who broke into my car. Now please shut up.

There is no merit to this study. We all know that contributions to society are made if and only if individuals obsessively pursue greater wealth, thereby allowing for a "trickling down" of loose change to the unwashed masses.

5 - If you went to U Penn Law School then you should know that Penn State is a completely different school. It isn't your parent institution.

In the rankings of the most useless periodicals, I'm happy to report that Washington Monthly wins by a landslide!

California love!

Just wanted to do everyone a public service and say that this site has become FUBAR lately.

11 - best dry, ironic, witty humor past day and a half.

12 - Actually, U Penn Law and Penn State U are affiliated. U Penn Law was founded as a law school for students in the Penn State system who wanted to study in Philadelphia, and is affectionately known as "Penn State - Philly Campus." It is exactly analogous to the relationship between UNC Chapel Hill and the University of Central North Carolina, which goes by the monniker "UNC - Durham Campus."

What does this have to do with sexting?

17-- Wait, I'm confused. So, are U Penn Law and Penn State U accredited by the American Bar Association? Members in good standing with the AALS? Is their accreditation joint and several?

I call BS on Texas A&M's ranking. Their main "contribution" to society is producing Pakistani, Arab and Afghan murdering soldiers. Meanwhile, their main "research" Ph.D.'s study such worthy topics as "equine sperm membrane function," "new surgery techniques for show swine" and "topics and clinical problems related to equine dentistry."

So a school that only has $4 million in research is in the top 10, while schools with over $250 million in research are ranked in the 90's. Great survey. Hey list, a school has a higher %-age if the school is small and only a few do research.

This list significantly biases larger (>30,000 students) public universities. Completely pointless. I think schools such as rutgers and NC state contribute far more than SC state university with it's <5,000 students.

I like that after Elie was criticized for buying into the idea that CJ/prelaw does a poor job of preparing students for the LSAT, he is now employing a critical eye to this ranking system.

So a school that only has $4 million in research is in the top 10, while schools with over $250 million in research are ranked in the 90's. Great survey. Hey list, a school has a higher %-age if the school is small and only a few do research.

This list significantly biases larger (>30,000 students) public universities. Completely pointless. I think schools such as rutgers and NC state contribute far more than SC state university with it's <5,000 students.

14 -- The internet seems to think that you're also Miley Cyrus's biggest fan. Congratulations.

If philanthropy was part of the criteria, I should be number one on this list. Back in the early 1980s, I was one of the biggest benefactors of the Helena Rubenstein Foundation, which in part helped fund PBS which brought you educational programs such as Mister Rogers' neighborhood, Sesame Street and numerous fascinating documentaries. In a way, most of you cretins were indirectly educated as a result of my magnanimous nature.

The CA public school system kicks ass.

Wow PE, you weren't a major benefactor for long enough to learn how to spell the foundation's name.

I'm sure future employers will look at this list to decide where to go to OCI.....

is there no end to the supply of people like 12?

You would think seminaries would lead the pack. Guess not.

I'm calling bullshit 5 / 17

Please keep your finely quaffed hair, pleated khakis and pastel sweaters confined to your ivy institution. Penn State doesn't want you.

You only bothered to post about universities - was that because some of those have law schools? There is a listing for liberal arts schools too. Everyone seems to forget the US News and World Report also does liberal arts schools not just univeristies.

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Way to show the open-mindedness that so many liberals profess to have. Or is it just that everyone has the same "I'll listen to you as long as it's something I agree with" mentality, and you're just one of the many pompous assholes that tells yourself that you're better than that (when in fact you're not)?

Elie-

You used the word 'myriad' correctly in a sentence. I am shocked. It is a personal pet peeve of mine when people use it in the following way: "[...] a myriad of problems," which implies that it is a noun synonymous with 'array.' It is in fact an adjective, and I'm proud of you for knowing its proper usage. I take back my five previous criticisms of your work.

"Contributions to society"?

Ahem, The military service academies, perhaps? 4 years of hell, then happily taking a bullet for one's country, yes?

This list is bah loooohney.

20=Longhorn

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By your logic, the Sept 11 hijackers greatly contributed to their societies. How are military service academy students any different?

19, what's confusing you is the reality that it is really one school with two campuses. The ABA accreditation applys to both. The U Penn St law school system one in university park (for all intents and purposes in Philly) and the Dickerson campus. The Philly campus is on this list.

10 - was the perp a Latham associate?

36, if we had been following your logic in 1941 we'd be conversing in German and Japanese.

29, see 31. Clearly not. I love it.

I remember telling my high school girlfriend and her parents that I decided to go to U Penn, and having them reply, nearly in unison, "oh, Penn State! so-and-so's daughter goes there!" I chuckled, and have loved this confusion ever since.

Scary thing is, that ex-girlfriend is now teaching America's youth. Stay away from public schools, ya'll.

Yes, my TTT undergrad Ohio State beat fucking Yale.

Shouldn't Chicago be at the bottom for teaching the bullshit dogma that led to the financial crisis?

42 - you're retarded and not funny. quit trying and get back to work.

OSU finally beat the Gators in something.

How does Harvard have a predicted graduation rate of 101%? Those arrogant assholes!

the Social Mobility metric seems to rely heavily on the % of students receiving Pell Grants. this has become an intcreasingly irrelevant statistic over the past few years, and universities with large endowments (primarily the Ivies) have started providing their own need-based grants to eliminate/cut-down on student loans. this appears to be ignored entirely in the analysis.

the Social Mobility metric seems to rely heavily on the % of students receiving Pell Grants. this has become an increasingly irrelevant statistic over the past few years, and universities with large endowments (primarily the Ivies) have started providing their own need-based grants to eliminate/cut-down on student loans. this appears to be ignored entirely in the analysis.

37 - There is no such thing as U Penn St. There are the University of Pennsylvania (UPenn - private school) and Penn State University (Penn State - state school). UPenn has the University of Pennsylvania Law School in philly. Penn State has the Dickinson Law School which has locations in Carlisle, PA and now also in University Park, PA.

47,

Students who go to work for non-profits are completely ignored too. It's a great study! ROTC, which most students do for the scholarship money and not to contribute to society is counted, but not non-profit post graduation work.

Perfection of a study.

46-47, your brand of reasoned, fact-based analysis is not welcome on this blog.

31: hair is "coiffed." Beverages are quaffed.

Elie-
I paid a lot of money for you to go to law school (getting you into Harvard cost a fortune) and now you are posting about UNDERGRAD colleges??? What is wrong with you? You could not hack it as a lawyer so you quit and started editing this fine legal website, so STICK TO LAW, not undergrad stuff. Otherwise I'm not giving you your Christmas Ham(s).

I contribute the most to society, I AM THE LAW

Err, does anyone see a problem w/ rankings that predict 100%+ graduation rates for some schools and then hold it against them that they do not achieve said rates? Like Harvard could not be as good as Ohio State in the graduation ratings unless it found fake ppl to graduate to reach it's 102% requirement? Not to mention that in the Yale ranking they predict 101% graduation, find 97% graduation and then claim the difference between those percentage is -5. Uhm... obviously not Yale grads there.

48, now you're claiming that there is three campuses in the UPenn St Law system? I know about the Dickenson and Upark (philly) campuses--where is the third?

51: coif this!

33,

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/myriad

55 - there is no "UPenn St Law" system. Did you read my post (48)? Also, University Park is not near philly. University Park, PA (also known as State College, PA) is in cental PA (where the main Penn State University campus is) which is about 3.5 hours from philly. The University of Pennsylvania Law School (which is affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania NOT Penn State University) is located in philly.

Why is Air Force ROTC left out?

Why is Air Force ROTC left out?

54 - Harvard is not as good as Ohio State. When was the last time the Crimson played in the BCS championship? GO BUCKEYES! WE ROCK!

48/58 - ROFL. You are such an idiot.

what about colleges? I guarantee you Swarthmore, Oberlin, etc would be way up there.

62 - I agree with 48/58. I think that you are an idiot. Penn State is NOT U Penn.

Does anyone else think that all of the non-guest posts with pictures are from the same poster, with the possible exceptions of PE and Pacific Reporter?

63, there is a separate lib arts list, and the usual suspects take the top spots - Williams, Amherst, Wellesley, Swarthmore, and Bowdoin. Bates is ranked like #118, which is a much more accurate ranking of my alma mater than the #25 it currently occupies on USNWR. Stupid piece of shit fucking Maine college. I musta been on heroin when I went there...

66, doh, I totally missed that, thanks. I went to Swarthmore; and every time I tell someone, I get the "oh, isn't that a girls' school", and I say, no that is Bryn Mawr or Skidmore......

And Bates is a fine school. What, really, does college or law school have to do with the rest of your life? I know people who went to "great" schools and drank and puked for four years, and people who went to comm college for two years, transferred to OK schools, and now have very happy and successul lives. It is what you make of it.

UCSD in its rightful place!

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Why dont you win won of those?

SEC secure

This is, perhaps, a worthwhile project, but as many above have noted, it is pathetically implemented with incomplete conceptualization and measurement in numerous ways.

U.C. system for the win! And go bears!

Is there a name for CA's version of the Ivy League (that is as cool or cooler sounding)?