Yay Judge Chin!!! Congrats!

You lie!

Oh Please. Joe Wilson is rude, yes. But he was spot on. Maybe most hated in ATL's DC obsessed eyes. It's heartening to see the lack of respect the office of the presidency has been getting. About time after 100 years of undignified tyrants.

“I don’t have to do anything you say. I’m a law student.”

If only this douchebaggy statement came out before the polls closed on the Douchiest Law School, Harvard may have squeeked by to win (a/k/a lose).

Elie Mystal has an eating disorder.

Jeff Gilooly.

@4 -- You lie!

Is Mystal the fat one?

The New Guy

There should be a new above the law contest. Elie gets to pick one commentator and fight him on camera. Perhaps the person casting the dispersions is like five feet tall and a hundred pounds, and Elie can have the satisfaction of destroying him. Perhaps the commenter is a beast that will destroy Elie. I think it would be a fun game.

now that the legal industry is totally oversaturated with a huge oversupply of lawyers, all we lawyers have left is our social status. So we flaunt, sometimes at the most wrong of times.

Who got the ax at Sonnenschein's NY office?

are you kidding?! joe wilson may be the most loved lawyer in the country today!

about time the fearmonger-in-chief took some vigorous dissent.

Mystal only fights the wrappers on Little Debby's Snack cakes.

12 -- that's a flame, right? And I'm falling for it anyway. Shouting "you lie" is a vigorous dissent? Surely we can debate issues in a better manner than that.

Wilson was right, OBAMA LIES!

Truth to power!! Go Joe Wilson! I thought we were allowed to dissent in this country. Oh, that's right--only if it is a white president. Wouldn't want to be RACIST!!

All of you that agree with the loopholes in the legislation put in by the Democrats to ensure that illegal aliens receive taxpayer funded health benefits: head on down to your local emergency room and pay for an illegal to get health insurance on your dime. Put your money where your mouth is.

Presidents lie!

Clinton had his sexual escapades. Bush had his going to "war" over weapons that didn't exist. And now Obama has his...?

Dems booed Bush's SOTU addresses, Republicans yell at Obama.

ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz

14 -- gotta do what you gotta do when the bi-partisan President of Change hasn't met with the Repubs. since April, and is blundering ahead against the wishes of the majority of the population.

14 -- gotta do what you gotta do when the bi-partisan President of Change hasn't met with the Repubs. since April, and is blundering ahead against the wishes of the majority of the population.

What is the seafood dish that Maine is famous for?

19/20 -- i didn't vote for Bush, and he dragged this country into wars I didn't want to be in. Now we've got Obama, so we'll have to live with health care people don't want. It is how our system works.

Good for Judge Chin. I'm a conservative, but he entirely deserves his elevation on merit alone.

obama does lie

Ellie is just a dumb affirmative action baby

I find it interesting that that British MPs routinely shout invective down at the Prime Minister during question time, and yet everyone is shocked, SHOCKED, that a U.S. Congressman would dare to do that same to a president. I think the difference is that they have a figure-head monarch over there, which means that everyone knows the Prime Minister is just a political leader. But here we combine the office of king and political leader, and woe be on anyone who dares to "disrespect the office." Such conceit.

I'm pretty sure the student in the Wicked Local story is a BC student - a Google search showed someone of that name as a Senior Editor of a BC secondary journal

22 - What?

22 - Wow, your apathy is staggering. Hope your clients don't get the same intellectual chickenshit.

25- good call.

Joe Wilson is NOT hated by the majority of us who don't approve of Obamacare. I don't think anyone should heckle the President, but his speech was full of lies and misinformation. Moreover, I doubt there was any of this "manufactured outrage" when the House Dems booed George Bush (not that I'm any fan of his, either) when he proposed reforming Social Security in 2005.

22, because the opposition to Bush was oh-so-measured-and-respectful. The left is just bitter that people are finally getting sick of the double-standard. Obama lies; he was called out. Simple.

Kash, I still doubt facelifts will be covered under single-payer. You can cut the angle.

25 - So we should just ignore the rules of decorum we have here and be like the UK? Didn't we have a little tussle over that concept about 830+ years ago?

Wilson said "you lie" to Obama's statement that the president's plan would not extend/increase coverage for illegal immigrants. Can one of the Wilson supporters please post the actual provision or proposal from Obama that shows that he was lying?

In my practice, I find that facts are more persuasive than accusations.

-Not an Obama supporter, just curious to see the actual merits.

Both political parties suck. Senate sucks. House of Reps suck. The Prez sucks. Someone needs to call all of them liars. Our country is bankrupt and all we talk about is more ways to spend money we don't have.

All of a sudden it's out of style to call the PUSA a liar? Respect for the office they say? Where was that the last 8 years? All we heard was "Bush was a liar" or "Bush lied people died". Joe Wilson had the stones to say it to the President's face. I'd vote Joe Wilson for President in a second. At least he has the facts to back it up - he's likely to have read the bill...

Umm, maybe you didn't notice this in liberal land, but Joe Wilson is a hero. Talk about speaking truth to power!

WHAT ABOUT THE DEATH PANELS PEOPLE?!?!

Wow, we have an extra dose of morons in the comments section today. Me included, for reading this stuff and commenting...

33- Joe Wilson is a hero. We all know that the health care bill will pay for those illegals right? I mean they do. We've not read the bills, we don't know what is in them, but Fox news told me that, it has to be true.

Joe Wilson is a hero. He is saving my granny from death. I don't know why he was booed and shushed by his own party after he shouted out. Also, I don't know why he apologized afterwards. He is my hero.

Obama lies. I swear I don't know the truth but Limbaugh and Coulter told me. I am No. 30.

Oh yeah. he is a socialist, a communist, a racist...a brain washed liberal. Did you see how he told our kids last week? Study hard. have ambition. So...unAMERICAn...so un conservative.

Seriously why are we facing a fillibuster proof majority? But hey, Joe Wilson is my hero....

14/16/30/31

32, 25 again. "We" had a tussle 830 years ago? Really? 830 years. You must be privy to some form of history I've never been exposed to. If you're referring to the American revolution you're only about 600 years off and you're still wrong. Even the most ignorant first year undergraduate (and I'd know, since I used to be a 100-level history TA) knows that the revolution was not about "decorum." Far from it, the revolutionary debates were about as hostile and invective-filled as any public debate in history. What the revolution was about is resistance to a distant, unaccountable government imposing restrictive regulations and taxation on an unwilling population.

Just because we're no longer part of Britain doesn't mean they don't do some things better. I think we'd have much smarter Presidents if they were forced to defend themselves in free-wheeling debates like question time rather than the scripted political pageants we have here.

Mystal wears adult diapers.

40 - Sorry for the typo. See, the problem with you is that you fixate on the wrong things and therefore you miss what matters.

The point was that we don't want to be the UK. That you foolishly consider yourself an intellectual elite is amusing. You were a teacher's assistant? BFD.

If you love the UK - move.

5 - Thankfully, it appears that Ms. Grossman is a student at Boston College School of Law (which I wasn't aware existed, but ok), not Harvard.

http://www.eagleionline.com/news/2009/3/30/journal-election-results-finally.html

@26 - Also, same Google search shows that she summered at McDermott.

39-keep the day job, if you have one. Satirist you are not.

Joe Wilson is not licking Obama's ass. Apparently that is your full time job. Most of us have no problem questioning authority, and we support others who also do so. You are a toadying coward. Yawn.

33. It's true that the provision doesn't specifically say the bill will provide coverage for illegal immigrants or abortion. But it doesn't specifically say it won't either. In fact, the Democrats blocked two amendments that would have specifically forbidden coverage of illegal immigrants and abortion. Why do you suppose that is? Do you think it might be that Democrats know that if it is left out altogether then left-leaning government bureaucrats will inevitably interpret the bill as covering abortion and illegal immigrants?

39 (and you various other iterations) - The 47 million uninsured number that gets tossed about includes roughly 10million illegal immigrants. So now tell me, when the plan is to cover these 47 million, and that is one of the stated goals, how do you deny that illegals are part of the mix?

Suddenly, last night, the number was down to 30 million. So when was he lieing - at 47 million or 30 million?

Health care reform won't add to the deficit? Really, then how is being paid for?

So, while I think what Wilson did was incredibly stupid, he was accurate.

House rules of decorum: http://rules.house.gov/archives/house_decorum.htm

MEMBERS MUST:

* Refrain from speaking disrespectfully of the Speaker, other Members, the President or Vice President.

Members also can't "use electronic equipment" -- Eric Cantor's tweeting was also pretty classy.

CLIPPED

33 - Check out bullet point 2:

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/

Joe Wilson is a racist...It's time to call this behavior what it is!

And what about this fantasy that the bill "will not increase the federal deficit." ?????

WTF? BamBam's plan is like taking water onto a sinking ship to feed the sailors.

All I saw last night were nuts - Joe Wilson's got 'em, BamBam is full of 'em.

42. It appears that in addition to being unable to type or proofread, you are also unable to read. Do you have any substantive response to the argument that we give too much deference to the President of the United States, bordering on the deference given a Monarch? Do you have a response to the argument that American political debates would be more meaningful if less scripted, or that Presidents would benefit from having to defend their ideas in an extemporaneous setting?

Are you seriously suggesting that we should reject out of hand anything that another country does, even if clearly superior to how we do things, just because it is foreign?

P.S. I mentioned that I was a history TA in a former life not out of intellectual pretension, but to show my familiarity with undergraduate freshman writing and reasoning, which is about on the level that you presently display.

Oh the horror, it is almost as embarrassing as when the Democrats booed Bush during the State of the Union.

Remember lefties dissent is the highest form of patriotism, and we need to speak truth to power.

I just donated $100 to Wilson's campaign.

53, Presidential addresses to Congress are traditionally reserved and "solemn" settings, as the president does not reguarly engage with Congress in that setting, unlike the UK parliamentary system, where the PM does routinely address the MPs.

This is not to say that extemporaneous debate is a bad thing, but it was not reasonable for Wilson to expect that the president's address was the proper forum for his outburst. First, the speech was not meant to be a "debate." Second, neither his language nor his manner was conducive to expressing the point he wished to make. Yes, he got attention, but, from the people who count (the other politicans who will be making the decisions), it's mainly negative.

There were a number of ways to Wilson to make his point: I think he chose the worst.

"we need to speak truth to power."

What truth was being spoken?!

All of you right wing loonies know that Rep. Wilson has submitted his abject apology for his outrageous behavior, right? Maybe you should follow your leader and do likewise.

53 - OK, let's get specific. The Presidential address is covered by the House of Representatives rules of decorum: http://rules.house.gov/archives/house_decorum.htm

We don't give too much deference in that, stay with me now, all citizens have the constituional right to publicly disagree with what the President says. We can write to him, he answers direct questions from the press, etc.

I didn't say we should reject things that other countries do, I said that if you are so fond of the UK, that you should shag your arrogant ass over there to live. And I stand by that sentiment.

And your p.s. is piss - mentioned it because it makes you feel superior, which means you have self-esteem issues and feel the need to use crutches to make yourself seem important.

Again, you focus on the wrong things. Stop being a douche.

So .... does this mean no one knows anything about what happened at Sonnenschein? Did they dump all the TPW people or what?

CLIPPED. Love, Villanova Law School.

25 - u r retarded. that's like saying "people in farm-reliant countries have been eating vegetarian for centuries, why don't Americans eat vegetarian?"

Where's the birth certificate?

I've watched every Presidential address to a joint session of Congress since 1986. Wilson's heckling was absolutely ridiculous. Booing has happened to every president. Nobody has ever called a sitting President a liar in the Congress.

You people defending Wilson have lost all perspective. This is America, not the British Parliament.

And, for what it is worth, there is a goddamn federal law saying that illegal immigrants can receive emergency room services. It's not in this health care bill, it's already on the books. If you have a problem with that law, you have a problem that has *nothing* to do with health care reform. People like 46 can spread whatever conspiracy theories they like, but sitting members of Congress should be a little more educated about existing laws.
--Elie

62 - Don't worry, your parents can prove you weren't smuggled across the border.

oh no - the indignant sloth Elie has awakened and is angry - god dammit, is he angry!!! Wipe the two-day old lard drippings off your third chin and stick to your strong suit - making typhogrphaical errors

65 -- STFU and crawl back into your hole.

Elie says, "Nobody has ever called a sitting President a liar in the Congress"

Harry Reid says, "President Bush is a liar. He betrayed Nevada and he betrayed the country."

Elie - Well, since people are allowed, by law, to receive access to ER services, let's scrap this whole reform thing then, eh?

What people have a problem with is being forced, via the governemnet option, to provide isnurance coverage to illegal immigrants. We already have to educate their children - in THEIR language.

And pointing out resistance to language stipulating the intended insurance is for US citizens is NOT a conspiracy theory.

More to the point, when the administration trots out numbers like 47 million uninsured, by ALL accounts/sources, that does include roughly 10 million illegal immigrants. And so when the goal is to provide insurance for those 47 million, it DOES, by default, include those illegal immigrants.

65 - go away.

"Their" language? Unless you speak Cherokee or something similar, you suck.

Joe Wilson simply revealed to the world how huge of an asshole he is. Members of our representative government pride themselves on conducting sessions with order and civility. That's fine if you disagree with the president's policy initiatives. But to show such total disrespect to a member of a fellow branch of our republic is totally unacceptable.

I suspect that one courageously douchey individual is spamming this thread with the pro-Wilson commentary. Dude, get a fucking hobby.

71 - You nailed it.

70 - Actually, I speak 5 different languages. Admittedly, Cherokee isn't one of them. That said, I wasn't aware that anyone in a lucid state of mind considered Cherokees to be illegal immigrants.

In which language would you like me to call you a douche?

71- Agreed

It is shameful that an American politican acted that way- that kind of conduct used to be exclusive to foreign politicans only.

74 totally missed the point. - not 70.

Actually, secretarial and paralegal salaries have been increasing for a decade or so. Legal secretaries are pulling $70K+ and senior paralegals $100K. That's about double what it was in the mid-90s. Since 2008, they've been frozen, but I haven't heard that their compensation has been decreasing like attorney compensation has. Anyone hear different?

Your momma heckles the President.
-Skip

76 - Yes, you're 70. Grow a pair and at least own up to trying to defend your crappy post.

Politics as usual.

- Jay Z

I don't agree with 70. But 74 = EPIC FAIL.

The reason why 70 and libs like Ellie can sustain their unintellectual attacks is because of people like 74. It's not hard to win these arguments without sounding like a racist douchebag.

74/79 - I admit I am an unintellectual liberal. But I'm not 70. You wish I was. But I'm not. -76.

How is it racist to deplore the fact that illegal immigrants receive publicly funded educations? Further, that schools are required to present that education in a language other then English?

I hope that all those vehemently opposed to a public option never find themselves getting laid off while they have cancer.

Lets get some real news up here like Drinker Biddle's Summer Offer Rates? If you were a DBR summer and you accepted a position for Corporate, good luck working with F. Douglas Raymond. And for those who did not get an offer, you are all better off! That place is filled with hacks!

74/79.

I am 70. Since you totally missed the point of my first post, I'll be more pedantic here.

There is no "American" language. English, as its name implies, came from ENGLAND. England is not in America. English was brought to America by English colonists.

I assume your objection is to teaching school children in Spanish. Spanish, as the name implies, is a language that originated in Spain. That language was brought to America by Spanish colonists.

There is no "American" language that is in common usage today. But there are many Americans who exclusively speak English today. There are also many Americans who exclusively speak Spanish.

If your only objection to meaningful health care reform is that it will extend to some illegal aliens, then you need to find something new to worry about. The fear about illegals bankrupting this country is a canard. We waste more money in one day on inefficient insurance company bureaucracy than we do in a year on health care for illegals.

74/79 - Do you know how much educating the children of undocumented aliens actually costs YOU each year? Nor do I, but I bet it's not much. If you can put a substantial dollar figure on it, maybe you'd come across like less of a douchebag. It's not the children's fault they are in this country illegally.

First of all, Congressman Wilson did not interrupt the president. Mr. Biden was not speaking.

Second, although Congressman Wilson's remark was probably ill-advised, it was nevertheless accurate.

86 - How wonderfully liberal minded of you.

That said, English is the primary language spoken in the United States of America, and has been since it became a separate nation. That it has not been codified as the official language is a red herring.

But since English is a Germanic language, we could certainly pars ealong those pointless lines too - as it would also be off topic.

I can't believe I actually have to point this out but apparently I do: if you think Representative Wilson is anything but a hero, you are an unreconstructed socialist.

o clarify: BETH GROSSMAN is a student at Boston College and today is the day of her birth.

happy bday beth. clip, clip, clip!

To clarify: BETH GROSSMAN is a student at Boston College and today is the day of her birth.

happy bday beth. clip, clip, clip!

Actually, her birthday was yesterday dipshit.

90 = socialist

90 here, how is recognizing that English is the primary language of the USA being socialist?

Even when Republicans rule the three branches of government, liberal and progressive ideas and values are always dominant because our country's elite is composed of highly educated, tolerant, open-minded people -- people that know much, much better than to believe and advocate for the idiocy and lunacy that comes out of the right-wing media.

In sum, you have to be a complete moron to be a Republican nowadays.

97, your last sentence should read: "you have to be a complete moron or filthy rich to be a Republican nowadays."

You're welcome.

Homer: America, take a good look at your beloved candidates. They're nothing but hideous space reptiles.

Kodos: It's true, we are aliens. But what are you going to do about it? It's a two-party system; you have to vote for one of us.

Man1: He's right, this is a two-party system.

Man2: Well, I believe I'll vote for a third-party candidate.

Kang: Go ahead, throw your vote away.

97, 98

or just believe in personal responsibility. And not feel that you are entitled to have your neighbors pay for your higher education and health care.

OK, the debate over Wilson rages on, but no one has pointed me to a provision in the Obama plan that shows if Mr. Obama is or is not lying that his health care plan will not cover illegal immigrants.

The closest that I have is H.R. 3200, section 152 of which provides, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

So, it looks like the House bill, which is likely to be the most liberal,does not fund health care for illegal immigrants. Am I missing something, Joe Wilson's people?

-33

Pfft. What the bills say or don't say about providing coverage to illegal immigrants is a total red herring. The main point -- which you're obviously trying to avoid -- is that if you don't think Joe Wilson was right to do what he did, you are a socialist moron.

102, you're a stormtrooping Nazi, who probably considers Sarah Palin to be your kind of woman. Heil!

-- A socialist moron who is >>>> greater than you!

"Wah! I'm 33/101. I can't actually make an argument or do anything other than ask a bunch of questions because I'm an idiot socialist! Wah!"

103 = mega-trolled

First of all, the Democrats blocked two amendments to the healthcare plan that would have required proof of citizenship to get benefits. second, even the Congressional Research Service says illegals will get benefits:

“Under H.R. 3200, a ‘Health Insurance Exchange’ would begin operation in 2013 and would offer private plans alongside a public option…H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens—whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently—participating in the Exchange.”

CRS also notes that the bill has no provision for requiring those seeking coverage or services to provided proof of citizenship.

Indeed, as an Obama official interviewed on NPR this morning admits, the administration has moved the ball in the other direction, removing existing restrictions requiring people to provide proof of citizenship to get various federal benefits on the grounds that they were too onerous and causing those legitimately eligible to give up or be denied. That may well be the right thing to do (I don’t know the specifics well enough to render definitive judgment) but it nonetheless vitiates the claim that there’s some magic wall to prevent the twelve million-odd illegal aliens from gaining access.

Beyond that, simple logic tells you that illegal aliens will be covered under any system of universal coverage. Aside from the plain meaning of the word universal, we have laws in this country requiring unquestioned treatment at emergency rooms for anyone who shows up. The Supreme Court ruled more than a quarter century ago in Pyler v. Doe that the Equal Protection Clause requires that children of known illegal aliens be given free elementary and secondary education in public schools. It’s hard to justify a rationale that requires paying to educate children while denying them health care.

Dear 100,

Why stop at higher education and health care? I have to pay taxes so my neighbor's kids can go to a publicly funded school. Why can't they pay for private schooling? And why should I have to pay taxes for a city police department? If my neighbors can't afford to build a wall high enough to protect their stuff, they should buy a shotgun and sit on their front porch. And if South Carolina is collectively stupid enough to reelect an idiot like Joe Wilson, why should I have to pay for his health care?

You're a hypocrite and you don't believe in anything. Please find a proper way to deal with this problem by getting your whole head in front of the shotgun and not taking any innocent bystanders with you.

Dear 18 and every other like-minded moron,

If you're referring to the democrats booing at one isolated point during Bush's 2005 State of the Union when he said that Social Security would go bankrupt, then big fucking deal. Were they supposed to cheer? I'm sure every "personal responsibility" motherfucker wanted to cheer when that socialist program was targeted for death.

How about every time the Republicans booed, hissed and called out during Clinton's State of the Union addresses? I'm sure that one incident of democrats booing just cancelled all of that history out, right? So now it's okay for Republicans to shout out whatever they want without any regards to proper decorum in Congress?

Isn't part of the whole theory that uninsured people going to hospitals raises health costs for everyone?

So if illegal aliens aren't covered, won't that make health insurance more expensive for us too? Why shouldn't we let them be covered? Wouldn't that tell us where they are and make it easier for us to deport them?

Would you like illegal aliens to be denied at emergency rooms and die on the street in front of the hospital?

Under these plans, I will be required to have health insurance. Republicans want me to be required to submit proof of citizenship? i don't like having to submit my papers like I'm in Nazi Germany or Commie Russia.

What's the problem with free education for children (legal or illegal)? They are children. Go after the parents, but let the kids go to school until they are deported with their parents.

I don't understand why Republicans, many of which are supposedly part of the Religious Right, act completely unchristian all the time.

I FEEL SO BAD for anyone who cites "factcheck.org" as a legitimate source. It's like they're screaming out for help. People who cite that irrelevant website are so easily swayed by the most simplest of nonsense. They can't think for themselves. It's scary, really.

FOR THE RECORD, "factcheck" was created by the Annenberg group, and Obama was the group's first chairman.... SO factcheck is the last credible place for Obama-related information.

I love the way ATL doesn't publish anything on Chuck Rangel (who also has a law degree) and his monopoloy-man grade tax evasion antics, but gets all over a guy who simply yelled something out of turn.

obama, selling this country out to illegals, is the most hated lawyer in the country.
he is making bush look competent

Obama is TTT. Luckily for him AA saved him.

Looks like the Obamabots have abadoned defending Obama's lies in light of 106 and are now advocating for subsidizing illegal aliens' health insurance. If only their Dear Leader would have the intellectual integrity not to lie to the American public in the a congressional address and actually defend his plan on the merits.

109 FTW.

By the way 114, Obama is your leader, too. Or are you not an American?