"But what they don't point out is that sometimes bike messengers are really crazy and scary." Shame on you, Kash, for perpetuating this stereotype. In fewer than 1 out of 10 car-bicycle collisions is the bicyclist at fault.

Punch cyclist in the face? Really, Kash? This is a terrible post, and would be even without the horrible proofing. You're an idiot.

You should pull this post - or at least those comments about cyclists. Seriously.

Some info on this bike messenger and his "troubled past" including 50+ fraud counts, alcoholism and a run in with police an hour before this incident.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2009/09/03/10728761-sun.html

Amateur hour continues: you dont identify who sheppard is before using his name in the article.

seriously, this site is run by 4th graders.

2,

Did you know 9 of 10 statistics are made up?

This post is addressed to Commenter #5:

Thank you for bringing to light the unhinged and drug-induced past of the cyclist. Knowing this, it is clear that the AG is innocent of all charges.

"leave their doors unlock"

Yep, I leave my doors unlock all the time

HOW IS EVERYONE TODAY?

8 wins comment of day.

I hate grown men bicyclists in urban areas. I am biased of course but will always side with the motorists in these cases.

I expect the town in question will react by outlawing cars in parts of this town at certain times. I remember about twenty years ago some egghead Penn prof was killed riding his bike during rush hour on Kelly Drive (a major Philly road). The city reacted by restricting cars on that road.

You crunchy granola types should move to some utopia like North Dakota and ban cars. By the way, I do have sympathy for poor people and kids who have no alternative but to ride a bike. But these incidents usually involve white males who can afford bus fare or a car.

- angry white male Republican clinging to stocks, bonds, and guns

7: I guess this was the 1 out of 10. From http://www.research.utoronto.ca/behind_the_headlines/smart-cycling/: "The study concluded that cyclists are the cause of less than 10 per cent of bike-car accidents in this study."

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7: I guess this was the 1 out of 10. From http://www.research.utoronto.ca/behind_the_headlines/smart-cycling/: "The study concluded that cyclists are the cause of less than 10 per cent of bike-car accidents in this study."

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If the messanger was Hispanic, then there is no way he should be charged. Heck as long as he wasn't African American then he shouldn't be charged with anything. But if the messanger was African American... THEN THIS RACIST BASTARD HAS TO BURN!!!!

"leaver their doors unlock"
Kash = Elie

Forget the :
URL is http://www.research.utoronto.ca/behind_the_headlines/smart-cycling/

-2/13/14

Agree. What's with the bicycle messenger hate? The guy is dead.

This guy's an amateur. When bicyclist gets a little too close, I just speed by and open my door into them. Problem solved.

This guy's an amateur. When bicyclist a gets a little too close to my car, I just speed by and open my door into them. Problem solved.

Bryant is formerly of Sullivan and Cromwell.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bryant_(politician)

To all the people defending cyclists:

LIving in Minneapolis, I can tell everyone that EVERY SINGLE DAY I see several cyclists blow through red lights and stop signs without even slowing down one bit or looking. It's bull shit. Cyclists HAVE TO FOLLOW the same rules drivers do, but most of them dont becuase they feel they are better than everyone else not riding a bike.

Obvioulsy this article is a different factual situation, but the point is, you fucking moron cyclists need to understand that just because you are on a bike that does not mean you get to ride it how ever you want with no regard to traffic laws or cars.

A positive outcome. Thanks for the uplifting story ATL. The bicyclist will no longer be engaging in this aggressive behavior. I hope Mr. Bryant's Saab was not damaged. If it was, repairs should be funded from the bicyclist's estate.

In high school we used to road rage all the time. It was no big deal.

In high school we used to road rage all the time. It was no big deal.

Kash, I'm surprised at you. Seriously. Not Kute at all.

While I don't condone killing the bike messenger, I must say that bicyclists annoy the living shit out of me. They drive on the sidewalk or the street or wherever it suits them. They zig and zag between cars and between lanes. They go around stopped cars at lights like they're going through pylons on some kind of slalom course. They don't obey traffic lights or signs. If you say anything to them about any of this, you get rightous indignation in return.

I'm very drunk and I intend on getting still drunker before this evening's over.

If this bike messenger was anything like Puck from the Real World, then he had it coming.

8 still wins this thread. Deadly humorous, succinct, and points out the absurdity and asshole-ish use of the cyclists' past to put all blame on him.

I am sure there are some crazy Canadians out there. But the Greyhound bus killer was a Chinese national.

-Crazy ABC Esq., watch out!

Three signs of a douche bag:

1) He drives a Saab;

2) He cannot control his temper;

3) He went to Harvard;

Oh, and there was something else. Oh yeah, he killed someone in a fit of spite filled rage.

What you all don't know is that the messenger routinely used to routinely jump off his bicycle and latch himself onto moving cars in an attempt to extort shakedown money from the drivers. Just wait until all the facts come out, you'll see. This man was a scourge on society, and Michael Bryant is innocent.

2/13/14/whatever

It may not be the cyclist's "fault" in most cases, but in 9 out of 10 cases the cyclist can be cited for being a pansy. It sucks, but it's true. I would definitely own and ride a bike if I could also, without restricting aerodynamics, wear a sign that said "I'm not like all those other douchey bikers."

The problem is you guys all have an inferiority complex about your biking, so you feel the need to scream at cars, wave your arms, or at least give em the stink-eye beacuse they didn't see you until there's a close call because you just zipped across the street without so much as slightly slowing down, and you were only visible for a ver short time. Yes, technically you have the right to be on the street just as much as any other vehicle, but it's also the 21st century, get a clue.

Kash,

Where did you introduce Sheppard's first name before referring to him merely as Sheppard? Is he Andy Sheppard? The guy from Wisconsin who's campaigning against Bob Rumson for POTUS??

8: Brilliant!

I find this post very strange. I would've liked to know from Kash's headline that the AG actually killed the cyclist. It's not just road rage, for God's sake. This dude is plainly a fucking lunatic.

Cyclists and street bikers are almost always a-holes. Especially the middle aged professional guys who take over sidewalks, parks, and freeway shoulders each weekend. Wifey bought them a special gold jersey with a Renault logo that they can wear as they practice for the imaginary Tour de France that lives in their head. Pedestrians and casual bikers are nothing more than roadkill.

BUT not even the most obnoxious biker deserves what happend to this guy...and this is coming from someone who hates bikers.

24/25 = Frat Stud FAIL.

34: Wait, I'm confused. Who is the pansy-- the person enclosed in 3,000 lbs of steel or the person sitting atop the 40 lbs of aluminum and rubber?

I think what you call an inferiority complex is a reflection of the fact that people have no idea how much damage they can inflict with their vehicles. I hope this Bryant guy spends every day for the rest of his life thinking about what he did wrong and I hope that others realize how close they are to causing the same amount of carnage on a daily basis.

In 2 years of riding a bicycle in NYC I've almost been killed more than a handful of times. It gets old. And what really gets me is that our car culture is so ingrained that people like you sit there and take the driver's side EVERY single time.

If you were able to set aside your debilitating fear and ride a bicycle through a metropolitan area for more than an hour, you'd understand where I am coming from. Instead, I think you'll probably sit there behind your computer screen casting aspersions upon people like me and then you'll get into your Hyundai Elantra and drive home, emitting pollutants all the while and you'll never actually know what you're talking about. Pathetic.

I see a lot of sympathy for the cyclist (as expected) but I dont see a lot of conjecture on why he grabbed on to the side of a speeding vehicle or why he didn't let go when the driver went ape-shit.

If you go to Harvard, you get to kill between 1-3 idiots, depending on your GPA and willingness to breed. What is the big deal?

22 - same in DC. I've never, NEVER seen a cyclist stop at a red light, let along a stop sign.

39 - YOU are the pansy.

What have we all been taught since the age of 3? To look both ways before you cross the street. If you did so, I presume you could have reduced the risk of being killed.

And what planet exactly do you live on? You're in freaking NYC, the epicenter of commerce, and you're complaining about the "car culture?"

Come on, buddy.

- 34

That ex AG is the biggest douchebag ever. What kind of spaz tries to sling a bike messenger off his car, it's obvious he was afraid to stop and fist fight the gut....what a PUSSY

( . )( . )

I'm just thinking out loud here, but isn't criminal negligence a little, uh light for this guy? It's been a while since I took crim law, but this sounds more like manslaughter. Dude is dangling off your door and instead of stopping you RAM HIM INTO A F***ING MAILBOX?

PS I'm not taking the car's side every time. As I said, I would love to ride a bike, I really enjoyed it as a kid and I'm sure it is great exercise.

But I can't. Because of people like you. Thanks.

agree w 45

I like dick.

- I'm David Lat?

34 -- For the record, not ONCE have I failed to look both ways. In fact, I have never once seen a fellow bicyclist fail to look both ways. You are apparently not very observant-- do you really think there are cyclists who don't look both ways before crossing an intersection? They'd be killed within minutes. I guess in your mind the kind, warm-hearted drivers who have infinite compassion and driving skill, not to mention lightning quick reflexes, make it possible for these people to survive.

Anyhow, in every instance in which I've almost been killed, "looking both ways" was not an issue. Once, a construction worker was waving traffic through when the dump truck driver he was telling to wait decided to gun it in reverse. Another time, a cab passenger decided to open his door into traffic. He profusely apologized--I hope he'll learn to pay attention. And if you don't think that can kill someone, just google it. Deaths often occur from dooring, notwithstanding the use of a helmet, which I seldom go without (and was wearing that time).

Then there have been several times that cabs have cut me off and then braked directly in front of me, leaving me with nowhere to go but into the cab's backside or into the street. Other times, I've simply been riding along while a driver got lazy and started drifting into my lane, which would crush me between his car and the line of parked cars if I didn't bang on the driver's car's exterior.

And yes, NYC epitomizes car culture. In a city where the great majority of commuters take public transportation, politicians and the wealthy choose to force the straphangers to pay rapidly rising fares while tolls (where they exist) are wildly unpopular and Brooklyn and Manhattan Bridge tolling is political suicide. Do 5 minutes of reading on the congestion pricing rhetoric and you'll see what I mean, buddy.

-2/39/etc

Information coming out suggests the cyclist as having had a troubled past and troubled night... sounds like he had some major problems. Ever think the guy in the car felt threatened by the cyclist grabbing on to the car???

@39: I agree to the extent that I think a lot of the reflexive hostility toward the biker is due to how relatively uncommon bicycling is in America and Canada. Very few people use bicycles for transportation here, even in urban areas. It's basically just a niche sport. As a result, I think a lot of people regard bicyclists as vaguely freakish grandstanders who want everyone to see how off-beat and free-spirited they are. Kind of like hacky-sackers or 35-year-old ultimate frisbee enthusiasts. Whether or not this is a true characterization of bicyclists in America and Canada, it tends to bias people against them when a story like this occurs.

Compare the culture here with the culture in the Neatherlands (or even some southeast Asian countries), where the bicycle is the primary form of urban transportation. The same set of facts could occur there, and the bicyclist would receive a lot more sympathy, and I don't just mean from the local population. I mean that the same ordinary Americans who are so quick to pin the blame on the biker would feel more sympathy for him if they were immersed in that other culture because that culture would shape their perceptions of what kind of behavior was acceptable or freakish.

Hey Kash, normally I like you/your writing. But seriously, F you. Really, "what they don't point out is that sometimes bike messengers are really crazy and scary."? This guy got in some minor accident with a bike messenger, then repeatedly attempted to kill the messenger by slamming him into things, and when the messenger dies you imply it was the messengers fault? WTF.

Regardless of whether the messenger or the driver was at fault in the accident, trying to mow someone down, is morally reprehensible AT BEST. Yeah, so I should definitely be allowed to run down the homeless b/c they're "really crazy and scary"? Do you even understand what you're saying?

Your attitude, and the attitudes of many of the commentators are half the reason cyclists get killed. Next time you're on the street and some cyclist "almost hits" you, getting you all angry, think about how often cyclists kill pedestrians (pretty much never... and never that I can think of) and how often cars kill pedestrians (pretty much every hour). Stop being so ignorant.

Note to ATL editors: Do not piss off cyclists. They are not to be trifled with. They will *roll* you, and won't even warn you with their cute little bells.
--Elie

Well said 52

50 -- Yeah, I was wondering why in the hell the cyclist grabbed Bryant's car in the first place. Also, why did he continue to hold onto Bryant's car while Bryant was driving? While most people wouldn't have tried to brush the cyclist off the side of the car by driving onto the sidewalk, I think most people would view the cyclist's actions as hostile and threatening.

This rule is absolute, there are no exceptions:

ONLY DICKHEADS DRIVE SAABS.

This kASSh Lobster be drowning.

His wife was in the pasenger seat and the top way down. He shoiuld have asked to to wail way at the guy with her purse - before driving him into the mailbox.

Canada Post mailbox 1, cyclist 0.

http://www.thestar.com/article/690321

Michael Bryant's enchanted evening, until the drive home

Sep 03, 2009 04:30 AM
Nick Kyonka
Kenyon Wallace
Staff Reporters

It started as a peaceful night of celebration – a cheap but romantic date on the town to commemorate an anniversary.

A few hours later, it would end in violent tragedy.

Celebrating 12 years of marriage, Bryant and his wife, Susan Abramovitch, started their evening with a modest dinner at a tiny College St. eatery, a source close to the family told the Star yesterday.

With specks of dull yellow paint peeling off its walls, the unassuming restaurant, Ghazale, is situated among a handful of run-down shops in the area and pales in comparison to a trio of fancier Italian restaurants on the other side of the street. The most expensive item on Ghazale's menu is the chicken shawarma at $4.39.

After paying $15 for a pair of shawarmas and two iced teas, the couple would have sat at the rickety plastic tables on the eatery's outside patio – its only seating area – just metres away from the bustling College St. sidewalk.

A server at the restaurant last night said she recognized Bryant in recent media coverage because he was a periodic customer.

"He is a gentleman," said the woman, who declined to give her name.

After dinner, Bryant and Abramovitch drove east in Bryant's convertible black Saab toward The Beach, where the casually dressed couple took a long walk along the waterfront, the family friend said.

Heading north from there, their next stop was Akropolis, a family-owned Greek pastry shop and restaurant on the north side of Danforth Ave., just east of Pape Ave.

Arriving between 8:45 and 9 p.m., Bryant and his wife entered the small eatery, which features painted vistas of the acropolis in Athens on its walls.

Ordering two baklavas and two other pastries, they sat at a table near the back, with Bryant facing the street.

"They just sat and talked like anybody else," said Sonia, the waitress who served them, who declined to give her last name.

She told the Star that Bryant and his wife were casual, and did not attract attention.

"They said hello. They were pleasant, polite."

Sonia said she remembered the couple because they sat there for half an hour to 45 minutes, and were the last customers to leave.

"When I started sweeping the floor, they were still here," she said. "I didn't recognize (Bryant) at the time, but I recognized him when I saw his face on the news the next day."

Sonia said she brought the couple two glasses of water, but they did not drink anything else.

The bill came to exactly $10.01, Sonia recalled, because she didn't charge the extra penny. A copy of the bill obtained by the Star shows they paid cash at 9:36 p.m.

What happened at the end of the date has been minutely dissected, but is still far from clear.

What's known for sure is that after driving three kilometres from Akropolis to the intersection at Bay and Bloor Sts., Bryant was involved in a minor collision with cyclist Darcy Allan Sheppard around 9:45 p.m. Sheppard, holding onto the convertible, was dragged along Bloor as it veered along a sidewalk.

By 9:50 p.m., Bryant and Abramovitch had turned into the driveway of the Park Hyatt Hotel on Avenue Rd., where they called police as Sheppard lay dying around the corner.

Bryant faces charges of criminal negligence causing death and dangerous operation of a motor vehicle causing death.

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what a cheapass!!!

Bryant's Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bryant_%28politician%29) says he earned LLM magna cum laude from HLS in 1994. Does anyone know if HLS really gave out Latin honors to LLMs in the 90s? I am nearly certain that they did not as of the mid-00s.

From the girls in the club that be shakin' they ass
To the way that we make your speakers blast
Last name Money, first name is KASH
Y'all know, y'all know just how it be

Dear 2, 14, 15, 39, 49, etc.,

The study you cite is a survey of accidents in Toronto. So, for Toronto-based car/bike accidents, you might have a point.

But, I'll match your useless regional survey with one of my own, establishing that, in another far off place most of us would never live, bicyclists are more than twice as likely to have been at fault in an accident than the motorist. http://tiny.cc/2Qe9V

I don't really have much at stake in the debate, as I'm a pedestrian who only won't ever hit a bicyclist (but who has been nearly plowed over by bicyclists who think their little bells will somehow turn the light green and magically teleport me out of their way). But if you're going to be a douche and really on stats as the basis for your douchebaggery, find good stats.

A little more research into this story might be helpful.

Dead cyclist fraud suspect
Victim had 61 outstanding criminal warrants
By CLARA HO, SUN MEDIA
Last Updated: 3rd September 2009, 8:15am

The bike courier who suffered deadly injuries after a Toronto traffic confrontation involving a former Ontario attorney general had a lengthy record with Edmonton police.

Darcy Allan Sheppard, 33, was wanted by local police for 61 outstanding criminal warrants, many relating to cheque fraud.

"He was fraudulently passing cheques during a brief period in 2002," Edmonton city police Staff Sgt. Bill Allen told Sun Media yesterday, adding many of the cases occurred at Money Mart locations in the city.

Allen said Sheppard was released on bail in 2003, but never showed up for a scheduled court appearance.

After his disappearance, Edmonton city police issued a warning to the public that Sheppard had a history of violence.

Yesterday, Toronto police said Sheppard had been arrested Monday about 9 p.m. for fighting at his girlfriend's apartment.

Sheppard later got into a fight with a homeless man outside the building, and at one point was sitting in the back of a police cruiser. He was then released without charge.

Later that night, he got into some sort of altercation with Michael Bryant, who was driving a black Saab convertible with a female passenger, which ended in a minor collision on a downtown Toronto street at about 9:45 p.m.

Sheppard reportedly approached Bryant and suddenly grabbed onto the car, police said.

Bryant then allegedly drove off with the cyclist, off his bike, still holding on. He fell off about 100 metres later.

Bryant stopped his car at a nearby hotel.

Sheppard was taken to hospital where he was later pronounced dead.

Some witnesses say they saw Sheppard try to grab the steering wheel or grab Bryant.

Police continue to interview witnesses and look through surveillance tape from the area.

49-

You are so fucking retarded its funny. Yes, I know FOR A FACT there are numerous bikers who blow through red lights without ever slowing down or looking either way. They simply assume because there are on a bike they can do whatever they want and all cars have to wait on them regardless of the situation. If you are not willing to admit there are large number so ass hole cyclists who pay no attention to lights or stop signs or cars in every major city than you are an ignorant retard and your opinions are worthless

62 - Actually, if you clicked the link you'd see that the data were from NYC. (Note the addendum at the end of the post). Nice try though.

-2/14/15/39/49/65/etc

62 - Actually, if you clicked the link you'd see that the data were from NYC. (Note the addendum at the end of the post). Nice try though.

-2/14/15/39/49/65/etc

64 - I think the most surefire way to determine whether or not I have struck a nerve and put someone on the defensive is when they start lobbing ridiculous, immature ad hominems my way. I am sorry that I made you contemplate that you aren't as observant as you think you are but you know on some level that the way you see the world is simply absurd and nonsensical. For the record, I know FOR A FACT (my shift key works too!) that all cyclists check both ways before crossing the street and I also know FOR A FACT (as opposed to knowing...for an opinion? You are a terrible writer, at least when you're pouting) that people are terrible judges of velocity and acceleration. All cyclists I have ever seen slow down at least a bit when approaching intersections unless they are sure they have a clear path. Once again, it is simply nonsense to suggest otherwise.

-2/14/15/39/49/65/66/67/etc

Good for Bryant. Cyclists can all go to hell.

2/14/15/39/49/65/etc (Can I just call you etc?),

I mistakenly assumed the study referenced in the quote you provided (the U. of Toronto) study was the one you meant to provide as a source. I find it unusual that you would quote an article talking about one study when you really meant to point us to a different study mentioned in passing at the end of the article.

Of course, I can understand how you'd want to provide a link to the U. of Toronto study since it was performed by, well a university. The NYC study you are now claiming you meant to cite was performed by a cyclists' advocacy group (rightofway.org); hardly as reputable as a university (even a Canadian university).

But let's be honest, that's giving you too much credit. In reality, you probably just didn't know what you were citing, but all your cyclist friends (and all my cyclist friends, too) have been passing around links to the U. of T. study since it was mentioned in the Times Freakonomics blog. You saw some stats that you liked and put them up here to make yourself sound knowledgeable. Then somebody called you on the inadequacy of your stats, so you went back, found the letters "NYC" at the bottom of the page and claimed your original stats must have been about NYC (when, of course, they weren't).

So we come back to the original point, stop being a douche.

In NYC, amid the cars and other distractions, it's very hard for pedestrians to see speeding cyclists in their peripheral vision. Cyclists, if you obeyed the darn traffic rules like you're supposed to, and not routinely blow through red lights, you might get more sympathy.

@12

Being that it's Toronto, that wouldn't surprise me. They've already banned pitbulls, talking on cell phones in cars, and now smoking in cars with children in them. What's next.

@40,

Bike messengers don't bail *with* their bikes, they bail *off* their bikes, as a matter of self-preservation (same thing applies to bike racers) so there's a reasonable chance that if the messenger felt he was about to go under the rear tires of the car, he would have let go of the bike and grabbed the side of the car. I can see that scaring the ever-loving crap out of the driver, but it still doesn't excuse his not having stopped.

my 2c

@12

Being that it's Toronto, that wouldn't surprise me. They've already banned pitbulls, talking on cell phones in cars, and now smoking in cars with children in them. What's next.

@40,

Bike messengers don't bail *with* their bikes, they bail *off* their bikes, as a matter of self-preservation (same thing applies to bike racers) so there's a reasonable chance that if the messenger felt he was about to go under the rear tires of the car, he would have let go of the bike and grabbed the side of the car. I can see that scaring the ever-loving crap out of the driver, but it still doesn't excuse his not having stopped.

my 2c

69- I mistyped in the last post on the matter (I am trying to do more productive things with my day, though I'm finding myself sidetracked by this inane debate). Some of the data (data purportedly on culpability, though I'm not sure what the methodology was) were from NYC. The U of Toronto data were from Toronto, which is where the original post comes from (it seems relevant, then, don't you think?).

As for the NYC data, I don't think that it's fair to assume that data is less reliable simply because it's from an organization with a vested interest in the outcome-- all studies are conducted by or paid for by people with interests in the outcome. In any event, forget the NYC study, since you clearly find that unreliable (and I'm not sure if even I would trust whatever methodology they used to determine "culpability").

Let's just focus on the Toronto study which found that fewer than 1 out of 10 car-bicycle accidents was caused by the bicyclist. I fail to see how extrapolation isn't legitimate. It's not like we are talking Calcutta. In Toronto, bicyclists and cars share the road in roughly the same proportions as in NYC. To the extent anyone could make an argument that demographics are relevant, they are roughly similar. If some commenters believe that a death in Toronto is somehow justified by bicyclist behavior in Minneapolis, I think we've already assumed that the data are pretty interchangeable.

At any rate, I think it's really cute that you googled my link furiously to figure out where I could have gotten it. I feel really honored that you would put in that much effort. For the record, I don't read the Freakonomics blog--used to, until Dubner's horrendous attempts at armchair economics turned me off permanently. I did get the link from another blog, though, so I guess that somehow makes it less legitimate? Is that what you're implying? Pretty ridiculous if you ask me--I suppose if I really wanted to cite statistics, I should have conducted the study myself.

And I also think it's funny that you think that I've been passing this stat around with my bicyclist friends... Umm, what? You seem to think that people who bicycle are a clique? I hope this isn't true because I must have been missing the meetings. I don't even really consider myself a bicyclist--just someone who is environmentally conscious and would prefer to lessen my carbon footprint while having an alternative to public transit.

I obey the law to the extent possible. Sometimes drivers make obeying the law dangerous--as when waiting for a red light will cause me to slow down traffic (if there is no bike lane) and cause me to potentially have things thrown at me for not being able to ride 40 MPH.

And I really don't care about sounding knowledgeable. I threw the stat out at the outset because I found it outrageous that Kash was stereotyping when it's simply untrue. It's startling when you acknowledge that despite popular belief (and biased news coverage), bicyclists are the victims in most car-bicycle collisions. I am an anonymous poster--why do I care if people think I sound like an idiot or not? I just want people to know the truth and maybe in some small way it will make a difference Sorry to hear that you are happy with the status quo, where bicyclists get mowed down or assaulted with startling frequency while the cackling hordes blame the victim. I hope you're proud of yourself and the rest of your cackling crew.

the AG's a fucktard.... wonton disregard, obviously

I'm disappointed that this headline isn't about Ontario, California.

-Whittier grad

74: "wonton disregard"? Is that a new appetizer at P.F. Chang's?

aah so, wonton, yes

-74

greyhound bus killer jokes? stay classy, atl.

Director of Public Prosecutions v. Smith, House of Lords, 3 All.E.R. 161 (1961).

Facts: On March 2, 1960, Jim Smith (D) was driving his car through the woods with stolen materials in the back of his car. Smith was pulled over for by a police officer in the normal course of traffic control. The officer ordered him out of the car and Smith responded by accelerating and speeding away. The police officer grabbed onto the side of the car and held on for 130 yards. He was finally thrown off and was stuck by a car coming in the opposite direction resulting in fatal injuries. Smith was convicted for willful murder and was sentenced to death.

79: I think that case is easily distinguishable. If you are a thief, for killing a police officer, you are sentenced to death. If you are a former AG, for killing a bike messenger, you get slap on the wrist.

52 and the other cyclist apologists: here are two cases in which a cyclist killed a pedestrian, from 2 seconds' worth of googling. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7497432.stm and http://www.thestar.com/article/678257.

I live in London and the cyclists here are out of fucking control and a menace to those of us who just want to walk in peace. They don't stop at red lights, zebra crossings etc. (at which they are legally obliged to stop) and when this is pointed out to them they are abusive. I hate cyclists. At least motorists obey the law most of the time.

Good luck North Americans, for this is your future.

a SAAB? a SAAB? give me an f'n break.. THAT's the real difference between ontario and the US right there.. down south he'd lose it over a porsche or something... f''n SAAB..... let the bitch fry..

67-

Are you serious you fucktard piece of shit. So now you claim you know every single cyclist in the country. Wow that is some network. You say, and I qoute "I Know for a fact that all cyclists llok both ways before crossing the street" No you dont you fucking dumb fuck. How could you? You know every person that rides a bike talk to them ALL. Fucking retard. I HAVE SEEN WITH MY OWN EYES BIKERS BLOW THRU STOP SIGNS AND RED LIGHTS WITHOUT SLOWING DOWN OR CHECKING FOR CARS, I HAVE SEEN IT, WHICH TRUMPS YOU IDIOTIC STATEMENT OF FACT THAT YOU KNOW EVERY BIKE RIDER CHECKS BOTH WAYS. OBVIOUSLY YOU DONT BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN CYCLISTS NOT DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU CLAIM EVERY ONE OF THEM DOES (I WOULD TYPE IN BIGGER FONT IF I COULD BECAUSE A FUCKING RETARD LIKE YOU APPARENTLY NEEDS THAT)

83 - Cool story, bud.

Look, we've got two competing stories. One is yours: that there are vast numbers of cyclists who never look both ways before crossing the road and one is mine: that all cyclists look both ways before crossing the road. If yours were true, there would be dead cyclists littering the streets of every major metropolitan area in the US. There are not dead cyclists littering the streets of every major metropolitan area in the US. Therefore, yours is clearly not true. Sorry, bud.

Now, I'll grant you; this doesn't mean that every cyclist checks both ways before crossing the street every single time. Maybe all drivers are graced with perfect vision, judgment, and reflexes. HA! I think it's perfectly clear, though, that the reason so few cyclists die in accidents involving their own failure to check both ways in an intersection is because the vast, vast majority of them check both ways the vast, vast majority of the time. There may have been times where cyclists looked both ways before you happened to catch their glance, or there may have been times that the cyclist slowed down dramatically but your own inability to gauge velocity/acceleration (especially when you are in a moving vehicle yourself) made "seeing with your own eyes" (once again, as opposed to seeing with someone else's eyes? You are just awful at thinking.) unreliable.

Either way, it's perfectly clear to me and it would be perfectly clear to anyone else who has an iota of knowledge on the subject that you are incredibly unobservant or selective in your memory or perhaps just flat out delusional or deceitful. In any event, you're wrong. And you know it. And you can spend the rest of your days trying to convince everyone else that you're right by being snarky and claiming that what I said would necessitate knowing every cyclist in the world (conveniently forgetting that previously you insisted that you knew exactly what was going on in cycylists' heads--remember that? Of course not--your attention span conveniently doesn't include evidence of your own hypocrisies, does it?). Or you can call me a retard whatever you want and it won't make you any more correct. And it certainly won't win friends and influence people.

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Due respect, but 2 citations of incidents in London, where ya'll can't even drive on the correct side of the road, hardly convinces me that cyclist-pedestrian fatalities are a serious problem in relation to the car-cyclist or car-pedestrian problems. I can drop 100's of links on cyclist fatalities. You've just demonstrated that Google is, in fact, a good search engine.

Now consider this: next time you see someone jay-walk, are you going to get spitting mad at them too? Didn't think so.

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Mr. Bryant has hired a public relations firm - Navigator Ltd to keep Bryant in a good light and Sheppard in a bad light and as most of the top executives at Navigator actually are regulars on all of the local TV stations they are doing a pretty good job of it.

What they can't hide and what will come out in court is this. Mr, Bryant willfully runs down Sheppard less than 15 seconds after Sheppard pulls up in front of his car and stops for a light. Bryant rams him and then tries to take off. All of this BEFORE Sheppard touches the car. Drunk aggressive looking for trouble? No Bryant was sober but he may have been the other two.

So for all those who have prejudged Mr. Sheppard I present the assault on Mr.. Sheppard by the coward Michael Bryant. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFISP_PrhFo