Summer Associate Report: ‘The economic times suck.’
American Lawyer has released its annual summer associate survey. Not surprisingly, summer associates were generally terrified:
“The economic times suck,” one clerk at New York’s Skadden, Arps, Meagher, Slate & Flom wrote bluntly in response to our most recent summer associates survey. “The firm can’t change that. But the times have made for a difficult summer.” A Bryan Cave intern put it this way: “It is a scary time to be a law student.”One indication of just how scary: The number of summer clerks who said they expected to receive full-time job offers was down sharply, according to our survey, while anecdotal evidence culled from respondents’ answers to open-ended questions suggested that stress and anxiety levels were up.
I had thought that many summers were stuck in the anger stage of grief. But this report suggests that many summers have actually jumped all the way ahead to stage four: depression. I guess that is progress?
As we suspected, 2009 summers took more of an “every man for himself” approach to this year’s summer experience. Details after the jump.
One of the most notable parts of the survey results is that it seems like summers were really trying as hard as they could:
With the recession already in effect by mid-2008, last year’s summers were more nervous than those in prior years. Summer supervisors say that worries were even more pronounced this year. That may have had the effect of making the 2009 summers a bit more competitive and less collegial, at least with their peers. “My impression was that they were trying harder to make more of an impression,” says Sarah Davies, hiring partner at Philadelphia’s Cozen & O’Connor, this year’s top-ranking firm.This year’s Cozen associates didn’t just take more initiative in seeking out assignments. They also went out of their way to take more attorneys to lunch, including some senior partners. “They were definitely trying harder,” says Cozen summer program director Scott Brucker. “They weren’t taking anything for granted.”
Summers drenching themselves in “Eau du Desperation” suggests that they weren’t feeling entitled to full time employment.
Still summers did want the law firms to do one thing. The scariest things about being a summer in 2009 seemed to be not knowing what was going to happen to you:
Almost half of this year’s summer class said they weren’t sure whether they would get full-time offers from their firms, compared to just 17 percent last year and 12 percent in 2007. Many of the rising 3Ls expressed deep frustration—and in some cases outright panic—over being kept in the dark about firms’ hiring plans. “For the love of God,” pleaded one Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher clerk in a typical comment, “please be more transparent about the offer process and outlook.”
Most top law students are pretty good at following instructions and doing what they are told. But this year, it looks like summers didn’t really know what the new rules actually were. What did it take to get an offer? How many offers were available? It appears that this year’s summers simply didn’t know.
Now that the summer is over — and 3L recruiting has revealed itself to be a barren waste — will 2009 summers be able to move onto acceptance?
For current 2Ls who are going through recruiting for the summer of 2010: welcome to your future.
Summertime Blues [American Lawyer]
Earlier: Summer Fling, Don’t Mean a Thing?
Should 2Ls Accept All of Their Offers to the Detriment of Fellow Students?




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oh poo
I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to the safest firm I get an offer from. I don't want to worry about getting no-offered at the end of summer.
3 for 4 today. Damn I'm good. And suck it, you penurious, dilatory and inane losers!
- Firsty McGrew
Partner and Jake Emeritus spend all day on this website wasting their festering virgin existences.
And suck it twice as hard, #2.
-1
thank god ima 1L.......wait it out
Sucks to your ass-mar!
-Latham Secure
It is a scary time to be an aspiring attorney only if you have failed to make yourself invaluable to the firm which employs you. Stop whimpering on blogs and get to work, hoi polloi.
For you imbeciles studying for the LSAT, allow me to explain this conditional reasoning:
Scary Time --> You're Replaceable
I'll just go ahead and say it: This ship be sunk!
I'll just go ahead and say it: This ship be sunk!
PE,
I don't presume to tell you how to run your preeminent, peer law firm. However, I suggest that you add some perks for your associates to boost morale. These could include personal valets on staff to run errands for the harried associates and flex time options. It is the moral thing to do.
JaKe/9 wins for good use of HOI POLLOI.
Hold on... the economy's bad? It's 2004 isn't it? I'm confused.
I had lunch with two junior partners yesterday and I reminded them of how fortunate they were to have experienced such a wonderful summer associate experience in the mid '80s. There were no limit lunch expense accounts at the Rainbow Room, Mortons, Smith & Wollensky and after hours parties at the old Copacabana and the 1018 club on the west side, which were always filled with model and young actress types. There was also the other perks such as corporate box suites at the Garden and parties at the Central Park boathouse. Those were the days. Too bad new lawyers will never get to savor such extravagant experiences. Us old timers can re-live the memories...
BREAKING: 2009 summer associates were worried about the economy.
*yawn*
PE once hired a prostitute for me at Smith & Woll.
PE, don't you think dating a stripper after your wife died denigrated your prestige a little? I mean, I am sure there were some snickers amongst the jet set class, no? It is one thing to have a gouma on the side as the Italians do but for a WASP of your standing to prance around with a Brazilian stripper as your girlfriend? I would've expected better.
-Disappointed
We need a story on whether summer's fears of low offer rates came to fruition. Which firms only hired 50%? Which firms gave out offers with "unknown" start dates?
Wolf Block just deferred my start date.
I really, really hate my unknown start date.
V20 summer.
jAke: you must be an expert on Ancient History considering your use of terms such as plebians and hoi polloi. Kudos.
The bitterness shared by these former summer associates stems from them missing out on the best time to practice law. I am, of course, referring to the golden age of biglaw -- the 19-fucking-80's.
Back then, as young associates, we would have access to (i) 24 hour shoe shiners; (ii) gorgeous women who would wait outside our office building and practically beg us for mind-blowing sex; (iii) unlimited budgets for lunches; (iv) Rolex watches upon the closing of every $10,000,000 deal; (v) dealer pricing on DeLoreans; and, of course, (vi) all the top-quality cocaine we could possibly want.
We all had trophy wives by 26 and homes in the hamptons by 29.
Fuck, this decade is beyond depressing. And if you want to feel even more depressed, read the following: http://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/14/nyregion/but-no-80-s-excess-at-law-students-summer-programs.html?pagewanted=all.
Thanks 23. I am going to blow my brains out now.
JaKe, your reasoning when it comes to the LSAT is quite good from what i have witnessed. I take it you scored a 170 or so on the LSAT? Please, share with us any tips that have allowed you to excel at logical reasoning, comprehension, argumentation, and inference making.
The pretentious, ponderous collection of PE and JE posts inspires the question: on which day did God create PE and JE, and couldn't He have rested then too?
"It's a scary time to be a law student"
Cry me a river, I was laid off in March and still have not found a job. I have two kids and a mortgage. Don't talk to me about scary, dipshit. You idiots made the stupid choice to go law school at the height of the market, or worse yet, in the midst of the worst recession in the history of the legal services industry. Just drop out now and save yourself the trouble and loans.
Overheard at Brooklyn Law School today:
Q: Have you started looking for a [2L] summer job yet?
A: No, I am going to wait until winter break.
23 and 24: at least Debevoise still does the pottery painting party.
This post is worthless tripe until JE makes comment on it. This post is no longer worthless tripe. Please continue....
27: you made the stupid choice to reproduce. How's that working out for you?
28 - so what/ They won't wind a job now and they won't this winter. It doesn't matter. Mind as well self-dilute.
PE and the 80s guy -thanks for the memories. I remember doing lines of white candy off of my secretary's ass while driving my '82 DeLorean on the way back to my Hamptons estate (via Grand Central Parkway). The '80s were a great time to be a lawyer on the cheap. I think I graduated with $5K of student loans, which the firm paid off. I am puzzled why kids today are taking out tremendous debt to chase a dream that is dead.
Yeah, I've had a pretty terrifying experience trying to get my firm to come clean about offers. I called the hiring contact last week and said you're moving to your auntie and your uncle's in bel air. I whistled for a cab and when it came near the license plate said "fresh" and there was dice in the mirror. If anything I thought that this cab was rare but I said "nah, forget it.; yo homes to bel air!" I pulled up to the house around 7 or 8 and yelled to the cabbie "yo homie, smell you later!" I went to my kingdom I was finally there, and that's why my firm's offer process has been a terrifying affair.
Elie - I'm hearing a lot of talk but not seeing any numbers. Its almost October . . can't we see what some of the offer rates were? Maybe there were a couple one-off posts in the past for a couple specific firms, but we could use something more thorough.
ima goin to law school for cheap, so i dont really mind. just more time spent dickin around for me. but for those of you taking out massive loans. oh man that sux :(
27,
And you made the stupid choice of taking out a mortgage and having two kids during the height of the market. See how that works? It makes absolutely no sense....no one ever knows what the height of the market is, and hindsight is always 20/20.
Even for those who are fortunate enough to have a couple offers, it's difficult to know which firm is the "safest" or "best" to choose, comparatively. Any words of advice?
David Saint Hubbins sucks.
My legal career has fallen apart. Is there anything I can do besides practice that'll pay the bills. I fully expect the sarcastic comments - can I also get some real advice thrown in there? Ty
David Saint Hubbins is one of the schticks that knows his place. Always funny, always ties his character into the story, doesn't inject personal opinions or chime in on things that dont concern him.
I'm a big fan - keep it going
The Spinal Tap schtick is the only funny thing on this website. PE and JE are incredibly stupid. Only a douchebag 3L from a TTT with no job prospects would find that drivel funny.
--GOVERNMENT SECURE
37, not entirely true. There are always a few people who know exactly when the market is topping, but the vast majority of the herd never listens to the few.
42: You are crazy. PE may not be so funny any more, but JE is hilarious and the best. Not every one is a winner, but most of them are. I don't even know what a spinal tap is.
43- That is because there is always someone saying the market is topping- odds are someone will be right.
You know what works for me? Working at a mid-law shop, made good money this summer, and staying on for 15 hours a week during the year. Two summers, both still working there, and looking to start right after the bar.
-NY 3L
So who else is still waiting from their firm to find out if they have any offer at all? Getting old at this point. I'm giving up at Thanksgiving.
This comment is addressed to post no. 42.
I don't expect someone like you to relate to me. After all, I cannot relate to someone who toils away on a paltry GS mid teens annual salary. Now carry on taxpayer waste.
STEPTOE AND JOHNSON IS A TIOLET FIRM!!!
WHERE ARE THE OFFERS??? WHERE ARE THE OFFERS???
Go away 48. No one likes you.
@ 27 - nailed it.
-- Not 27.
I remember filling this survey out and being scared that somehow someone in my office would know my responses even if was "confidential." I lied and talked about how great and transparent the firm was. I got no offered anyway. Go figure. Any advice for a no-offered 3L besides the usual?
ATL should just give PE his own column. Maybe then there would be some discussion in the comments about the post or issue instead of about what the PE character has said. It's pretty tiresome already.
31: Just fine, thanks! They're great kids. Thanks for asking.
37: Don't be bitter, just take my advice and drop out now while you still have the chance to do something worthwhile with your life. But don't feel bad, law school is really almost always a bad choice....
27
Eat a dick, 27. You felt entitled enough to that fat, bloated salary that you decided to have two kids and take out a mortgage. Current law students aren't the only dumbasses.
PE/48,
Well, that's nitpicking, now isn't it.
Nigel
43 - I concur. There's always a few who know when the market has topped. Back when I was fratting it up in Ithaca, the market topped when DG rolled out 37 new pre-frosh hotties. I subsequently banged all of them.
CORNELL FRAT STUD
Dickstein Shapiro? Bryan Cave (NYC)? Kaye Scholer?
Dickstein Shapiro? Bryan Cave (NYC)? Kaye Scholer?
53 is PE. Give up the unfunny schtick already.
oh jeez
oh no
oh god
oh jeez
I hope your firm doesn't Latham you
There is nothing more repugnant in life as when a Cornell alum or student aludes to perceived status by stating that they went to school in Ithaca - as if to say uttering the name "Cornell" would be bragging. Let me assure you that going to Cornell is tantamount to going to Ithaca College. Nobody with any talent or importance goes to Cornell University. It is full of white suburban runner ups.
These surveys are BS. My law firm held a teleconference in which they basically told all of us that we should give them 5s.
Then, they said they wouldn't commit to a time period in which they would make offer decisions.
Man, did I give them a lot of 1s, the jerks.
In other words, if you are successful or talented in your own right you don't really need the lower tier American educational system. But if you are truly bright you can find others like you at Harvard and Yale. The shlub who goes to Cornell or Duke is a wannabe. Eventually all a Cornell or Duke degree gets you is a satisfactory answer to the question where did you go to school. The Harvard or Yale man will eat you alive down the line.
We need to bomb the unemployed back to the stoneage!
-DOJ Secure
66 - You really feel secure enough to write about bombing people from your government computer? Good luck with that.
This economy had been broad enough to include the T14 as sure things. Contraction will render Gtown and Duke and Cornell as TTT. Trust me.
Jeez, 63/65, cornell frat stud is just a stupid schtick post. He is trolling you, and doing a good job.
Silly 2Ls. Most of the firms that had horrible offer rates this summer past are mortified that law students will talk bad about them. Trust me when I say every firm's class this summer will reflect that fear by being dramatically smaller so that the offer rate can go back up. If you get an offer, you'd best take it, Holmes. We're not bringing in summers we don't think we can hire.
8
Latham partner's son? Then you are safe. No matter what.
Silly 2Ls. Most of the firms that had horrible offer rates this summer past are mortified that law students will talk bad about them. Trust me when I say every firm's class this summer will reflect that fear by being dramatically smaller so that the offer rate can go back up. If you get an offer, you'd best take it, Holmes. We're not bringing in summers we don't think we can hire.
60, I'm not PE. And this is just more proof that the PE schtick is out of hand. I know Lat won't ban him because many page views are due to his aggravating warbling of his played-out character, but his total occupation of the board is just annoying now.
63 - If you're so talented and important, then why did you fall for the troll that is 57. Idiot.
72
No one ever honors the non-disparagement agreement.
I hear many of those ex-Latham babies still can't find jobs- they are a complete disgrace to the legal profession
Race may be at issue in this case.
Relax. Latham will be hiring TTTs in a few years. They gutted their offices and the survivors understandably want to gtfo. No one from a good firm will lateral over. The Lathams of the world will have to look to shitlaw to fill their ranks.
Er, you'll probably get laid off four months after they hire you though.
70/72 - Would you take a mid-law or big-law offer if you had the choice between the two? Thank you.
This would never hapen at Widener
79 - offer for what? summer or permanent?
53/73 = pathetic attempt by PE to have ATL give him a column. sad.
70/72 - I think it also reflects that firms don't really want to hire more people (summer associate or otherwise) than they need. So, they're trying to take the steps to take smaller classes, and if they need to lateral hire or 3L recruit next year, then they'll do that. But most firms don't want to pay additional people $3k per week plus entertainment expenses - the recruiting committees are under pressure from the rest of the partnership to manage unnecessary expenses and avoid overhiring. In addition to public embarrassment.
Anyone got the scoop on firms located in Grand Rapids, MI? Miller Johnson or Warner or Varnum?
I would normally say something like "self-entitled law students blah blah," but now even I'm starting to feel bad for them. There's no use in kicking someone when they're already down.
67- Do you really think 66 works for the DOJ?
63- Andy Bernard went to Cornell. Your argument is invalid.
Marshall Dennehey to $55k !
79 to 81 (formerly 70/72?) - Summer employment - mid-law or big-law and why, please? Thanks!
Really wish there was an option to see the comments without the d-baggery that goes with the morons who actually log in.
Also, the "Show them anyway!" option for the comments is quite possibly one of the dumbest solutions to the problem of stupid commenters that I've ever heard of.
How about just not scrolling down?
The Latham babies have done themselves alot more harm than good by posting thier sob-stories on this website on a daily basis- there's no chance of them getting a fresh start- everyone knows they are damaged goods
I disagree with Elie's assessment that the 3L's status is our future. Firms have dramatically reduced their SA hiring this cycle. Many firms have entirely eliminated their summer programs. Point being, I think this will lead to an offer rate that is much higher than this recent summer. While SA jobs are scarce this time around, once you have one, I think you'll be fine. I have heard this several times now from various firms. They are dramatically reducing this year's SA class specifically so that they can have a more normalized offer rate.
I wonder if my school would be willing to dip into its endowment a little bit. Here is my proposal: Give me my money back (Plus the interest I owe on it) and keep your damn JD. There should be some sort of a honeymoon provision on this purchase.
79, I would go with the biglaw offer if you like the people. Chances are they are actually hiring who they plan to extend permanent offers to. Your permanent employment is two years away, and I would certainly hope that the outlook will be much better by then. So...if they are having a summer program, they plan to hire you two years from now.
If it was a permanent offer, I would say to accept the midlaw offer bc it seems they are more stable right now.
But for two years out...I'd go biglaw. You can always move into midlaw later, presuming everything works out.
94 - Thanks for the advice! I know I'm fortunate to have a choice, but it's still been hard trying to decide what to do.
Plenty of good bridges to jump from in NYC. Have at it assholes.
91
bitter that people choose your competitors over you?
I don't mean to sound conceited, but I don't come to this site to hear opinions from commenters that I've never heard of, such as "Partner Emeritus" and "JaKe Emeritus." A solution: make two comment threads - one for the big boys and another, lesser thread for douchebag schtick commenters who have nothing better to do than post the same lame-ass tripe over and over again on every post. The new thread could be called "Below Above the Law" or "Sweet Jesus What Happened To The Previous Witty And Sometimes Insightful Commentary That Used To Be On This God Forsaken Site."
98 => Good idea. Some people actually want a substantive discussion.
98, eat shit you prick.
100 = PE
The worst part about it is that PE and JE actually think they are funny. Fucking law student/junior associate unfunny dipshits.
102: aggravated clerical schlub without a brain.
No, in-house counsel laughing at you --
-- 102.
97- this is 91 here- I am inhouse now, so I am not in competition with those babies' ex-employers- but I have chucked 2 Latham resumes...
Well done, 98. Not so subtle trolling, but still got several bites.
98's post is a schtick in itself you morons.
Dear everyone,
I go to a T14 school, I did very little work in lawschool (i.e., i have a couple C's, including Contracts), I have an offer at a V100 firm in Chicago for market rate, I have ZERO loans because my grandma paid them off for me, I am single w/o kids and have no mortgage, and I am sitting in front of my big-ass flatscreen tv about ready to smoke a joint and skip my corporate tax class (again).
Fuck all you small-dick latham little bitches.
Lawschool = Good Life
Whatever- inhouse retard
I don't mind a shtick here and there, but this is pathetic. The first 40 or so comments were almost entirely shtick. And they all suck.
Maybe we should have two comment sections. One section dedicated to battling shtick, and a second section dedicated to uniformed comments, anecdotal stories, and Ellie name calling.
come on 80's guy! you've reduced your comments to copy-paste jobs? Of course the 6 great things about the 80's don't change -- they happened in the past. It used to be about the delivery, dude! Now you sound like Max Headroom stuck in a repeat loop. Bogus.
Not to worry, Obammy's "Stimulus" Plan should be kicking in before the summer starts (hey, OBOZO, it's fuckin October tomorrow!!) and before unemployment nears 8% (hey, OBOZO, send Al Gore his calculator back).
Seriously kids, it's just a law degree. Nothing more than that. Doesn't come with any guarantees. Make it happen yourself, Junior.
55
It's frankly hilarious that you think that one should need to time the legal market before having children or buying a home. For most people, these are not the trappings of great wealth.
Yet you compare that with the decision to take on six figure debt for an education that is now worthless.
See, what you did was called "a gamble". What 27 did is known as "having a life". And I think his point was that he, at least, couldn't see this economic catastrophe coming before doing exactly what most us in the western world do as a matter of course.
Not 27
I can't wait to see how fast these weathly NY liberals turn on Obama and recruit Hillary. There are already rumblings. Sure the upper eastside want to help Harlem so long as they still have the upper east side.
I'm a 5th year and I hear jerkoffs that I work with talk about how difficult it is to live off of the money they're making. These clowns are making $225,000 a year, most are single with no kids and they can't figure out a way to make it happen? My brother's a sanitation worker, makes $68,000 a year, has a wife and 3 kids and I never hear this guy complain. Attorneys really need to pull their heads out of the sand and wake the EFFF up. The world doesn't owe you anything.
The people mentioned in 114 are people who think budgeting is beneath them. I've known a few who have ended up ruined with this mentality when the other shoe dropped. Guess what? The other shoe is dropping like a motherfucker.
107 - congrats on your family money. Most rich kids are smart enough not to do something like work their ass off for some shit firm. They either don't do anything, or at worst they take some low-hours, low-stress rewarding job since they don't need a big paycheck. Sorry to hear that you blew all that by going to law school you stupid fuck.
114 & 115 FTW. I especially like how New Yorkers use the cost of living as an excuse to whine about pay. Its called supply and demand people....you're paid what the market will bear. And for many people the market is bearing $0 so stop whining.
nothing against in-house counsel but I worked one summer after first year in a bank legal department. these people seemed broken. Not sure how common that is. they were broke dick
The ship be sinking...
This is a scream reading this .. all of you are so witty. I am planning on going to law school so ideally it will dovetail nicely with the return of the economy in several years... it sounds like a post-apocalyptic world right now.
I am not surprised the Cozen O'Connor once again received the highest score this year from its summer associates. They are notorious for treating their summer associates exceptionally well during their summer. Disclaimer: You will not be treated this well upon your arrival the following September. But as far as large law firms go, not a bad place to work if you like their areas of expertise.
114 - I can make 68k as a garbageman?? sign me up!
120 - I wouldn't be so sure about the law firm world turning around with the general economy. Right now several industries, even finance, are turning around while biglaw is getting worse by the day. Maybe it will catch up but maybe there are deeper, non-cyclical problems that need to change. Maybe the era of paying 200k+ to glorified secretaries is over.
122, but how can you deal with the lack of PrestigePoints in your compensation? I guess you could work for a V10 garbage company.
Too many people comment and cry about all these stories. Do what you gotta do, and get a job, get re-hired, or re-invent yourself.
- tired of crying
105
If you're legit and not an angry TTTroll, next time send those resumes my way. I can't get enough ex-Latham associates. Their resumes come in and they're far better credentialed than my own associates. I promptly fire my own people, and hire them. I've taken on 6 so far, and have room for many more.
123
what do you call pay for finance workers? jebus christ
122- I know you are but what am I?
Where is this photo from? It makes me sad.
127 - good point, of all the industries that are turning around right now I definitely have the most suspicion about finance. My only guess is that finance pays people relatively small base salaries and much more in year-end bonuses. So the banks can afford to hire a bunch of analysts at 60k and associates at 100k, and give them shitty bonuses or no bonuses if things don't go as planned. Maybe the law firms should do something similar? I don't know. But I still say that even when things "pick up again" the days of making 200k on the basis of your pedigree alone are over.
To add to 130 - the culture in finance is a lot tougher. Investment banks and top in-house finance groups like GE Capital make lots of early cuts. When a place like this hires you, they're only committing to pay you a modest salary while crushing you with many projects and holding you responsible for them. Most people can't handle it and are gone within 2 years, and then bank loses very little money on them. Only after you prove you're a star do you really get paid.
By contrast, in normal times, law firms wouldn't fire anyone until they neared partner level and were forced out. Maybe that's changing.
As I told Peggy after she gave birth to Pete Campbell's bastard son, Move Forward. This never happened. It will shock you how much it never happened.
As I told Peggy after she gave birth to Pete Campbell's bastard son, Move Forward. This never happened. It will shock you how much it never happened.
The discussion is finally centering on the right topic: compensation. Instead of paying one know-nothing $160,000 a year to start, it would make more sense to pay three first years $50,000 to work their bunny asses off. At the end of the first year, one has the go and remuneration for the remaining two goes up to $75,000 a piece. At the end of the second year, another one is dropped out of the game and the remaining winner takes the pot.
This way we can be certain that only the most talented AND motivated people are allowed to build careers in a demanding environment. It would also mean that you are not really an associate until you survive the attrition to the third year. Aside from making practice of the law competitive again, lowering starting salaries will also create many more employment opportunities for young lawyers. This final point is actually of wider significance. Nationwide, incomes must come down if unemployment is to ease. The present situation where a very small number of people take the pot while everyone else gets nothing just does not make any sense.
I am 71 year old Philipino lady and David Lat's mom. I make good rice cake soup for him. David should date nice Flip girl, no date man.
63 here my response was not directly to "cornell frat stud". Nobody in their right mind would take that post seriously. The comment did make me think more generally of the hordes of distasteful Cornell graduates that I must routinely encounter on this narrow island. Wearing on Ithaca is Gorges t-shirt screams loser to me. I have no qualms with the middle class state university student. The repugnant Cornell social climber is nauseating.
134: do you mean competition? Not sure lawyers signed up for that
136 - I agree, but its not nearly as bad as the Michigan tools, who tell you how amazing it is they they can be both a "top public" school and "cool" at the same time. What they don't tell you is that they all got rejected by Cornell.
There is nothing cool about "top public" anything. It is simply a financial decision. If you have the funds for a Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth or Brown, Columbia, MIT, Stanford, Chicago, Wellesly - you should take it. Georgetown, Cornell and Duke are adequate runner ups but please don't brag. Harvard kids don't brag nearly as much as Cornell- because the former need not have to.
Hey all you no-offered 3L's:
Feel free to apply to jobs like this like the rest of us unclean attorneys in the bottom 95% of the profession:
Busy North Shore (Salem) law firm seeks a 0-2 year civil litigation associate for immediate hire.
Candidates will be members of the Massachusetts Bar and should have excellent work product. Candidate will also have strong writing and research skills. Duties will include drafting and reviewing complaints, motions, preparation of discovery, and communicating with the courts and clients. Multiple court appearances each week, so reliable transportation is a must. Excellent communication skills a plus. Pay is commensurate with experience $30,000-$35,000.
123 - Yes, the Big Law casualties that I am witnessing on Lawshucks.com is unprecedented. Every week layoffs and then observing that new lawyers are not being hired is certainly depressing. I am holding on to hope that this tempo cannot be sustained as far as losses and that the freefall must halt at some point. I am going to have faith and go forward, it has to turn around at some point.
Forgive me if I don't think some Long Island JAP that attended Cornell Law School is fit to serve on the Supreme Court of the United States. It is bad enough that trashy affirmative action jobber Sotomayor was AAed onto the court. Liberal con law professor Turley called it right that Sotomayor will have no impact on the court because she isn't a bright light.
Bingham McCutchen tried to game these numbers. They told their summers to tell Am Law that if they hated something, mark it as 4 out of 5. Failure to do so might mean your offer. What TTT.
The face of law has been dirty and bloated for some time. That is because its belly grew increasingly greedy and arrogant in its assumptions played out in its excessive way, means and charges. The "ill-practice of law" has destroyed the way we live with each other. It's taken the term and meaning of trust and honor and destroyed It. When one used to say he or she was a lawyer, the world went ." Oh",with respect. Now they sneer,because lawyers have turned us into a litigious society that has ruined the quality, the fabric of our interconnected lives together. So, I say the whole profession has to change. Get back to the honorable. Get back to upholding good laws meant to protect and connect, not pit us one against the other in pursuit of a payoff.
Yes, 142, clearly being summa cum laude from Princeton is the product of affirmative action. I'm sure you did much better than that. Retard.
SHe conceded that she bombed the LSAT- as you probably did as well. I am sorry if I think that someone who bombed the LSAT doesn't belong on the highest court on the planet.
The good news is that Scalia will blow her out of the water. Liberals need to stop having AA jobbers did their bidding. Obama is pushing unemployment to 10%. Work of advice: if you want liberal policies implemented don't send AA jobbers to do it.