1 - be more confident! THIRD!!!!

Second?

I'm told the Puerto Rico quarter was released in March. I still haven't seen it. I asked Roberts if he had one, and he walked away quickly shouting, "I don't have any. I don't carry change. Leave me alone!"

Congrats to passers! Now, can we have the NY Board hurry up? I am going crazy waiting!

Roberts must have thought you'd blow it on gambling, Soto.

I will be closely monitoring these bar exam results.

I'm standing by should the pass rate of non-whites/non-males/non-heterosexuals/non-Christians/non.....* zzz zzz *

* snorts, wakes up* ...reveal the need for me to file a disparate impact claim.

Good luck Michigan bar passers, I hope you have a job lined up already, because the market here is fucking fucked for most people. Couple that with 1000 brand new Cooley grads who have no prospects anywhere and will remain clogging up the works in Michigan, and the Michigan job market remains horrible.

I can't get enough of the Walrus. Ha!

Michigan passers can always work at Kitch, paying sub $50k for 2000 hours a year! I have a buddy there, its fucking slavery, but its still the BEST job he could land.

I passed MA and yes, I can confirm that there are no jobs now or anytime in the future.

11, did anyone not pass?

Passed but need a character fitness interview. Doh!

11, I passed MA in 2008, and I can confirm that there have been no jobs for the last year, except for a few $30k/no benefits POS's. Oh, and an attorney position at Partners Health Care that DOES NOT OFFER BENEFITS. THAT'S RIGHT, A HEALTH CARE COMPANY NOT OFERING HEALTH INSURANCE TO AN ATTORNEY IN A STATE WHERE IT IS REQUIRED FOR CORPORATIONS OF >10 PEOPLE TO OFFER HEALTH INSURANCE!!

Sorry for the allcaps, but I was just fucking floored when I saw it.

13: Wow, what did you do? A prior conviction on your record or something similarly sketchy like that?

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Did the MA bar results contain any stats for a passing rate?

I have never known one person who was hard working and failed the bar.

17: No, there was no percentage information included in the pass letters, but for some historical perspective, here's an interesting stat: first-time test-takers from ABA-approved law schools had a 94% pass rate on the July 2008 MA bar exam. In comparison, NY's pass rate for the same group was 91% and CA's was 81%.

You can find similar breakdowns for other states (last year's information though -- this year's isn't done yet) here on pages 11-14 of the following document:
http://www.ncbex.org/fileadmin/mediafiles/downloads/Bar_Admissions/2008_Stats.pdf

Sabathia is looking crappy tonight. Got out of the first inning, but still ...

Michelle Obama was the one recorded failure for the MA bar exam-no wait, that was the IL bar exam.

21: Yup, and Hillary failed the DC bar too. I guess failing the bar is a prereq to being first lady these days.

I took Mass as a 2nd bar and am still waiting for my results. I passed my first bar but my firm does a lot of work in Mass so I really hope I pass this one too. Fingers crossed. Tomorrow will be a long day.

why don't I have my Mass bar results yet? Did they send them by US postal mail? If so, Newman stole my letter . . .

Also, I'd love to hear from some people that took Mass as a 2nd bar and didn't study the Mass distinctions much. I've learned a lot about Mass in the 2 months I have been working and fear I may have missed those fine points.

i live in michigan and it doesn't seem too bad. you just need to learn how to hustle a little more than you would need to in other markets. plus, who needs a job when you can spend all your time at ricks picking up on hot undergrads with fake ids.

*does the great lakes shuffle in the hopes of obtaining gainful employment*

-nervous T-10 2L

I hope everyone flunked. There are too many attorneys as it is right now, so new ones aren't needed or wanted. All of you newly graduated attorneys should eat shit and choke.

Anyway to get MA results if they were sent to the wrong address?

I took MA as my 2nd bar (NY was primary). I just studied a few distinctions the night before the MA day and did fine. I imagine 90-95% of the law is the same for essay purposes.

24: yes. Some, perhaps all, letters were sent by snail mail yesterday, Oct 27.

@26....Enjoy your the 2L year, your 3L year is going to be quite a wake up

28: The past list will be posted on the BBE website within two days.

25: Some of the questions went very heavy on the MA distinctions so I could see 2nd bar people having trouble with them. That having been said the overall MA pass rate in recent years has been extremely high so you'll probably be fine.

31 - why will 3L year be a wake up? 3L year is the good life (assuming i don't make ed-board).

-nervous T-10 2L

I haven't a clue what PE just posted.

Passed MA. Right on.

26 - everyone knows UofM has UGLY chicks, State is where the hot sluts are at, and Western is where the dumb sluts go!

Dickinson Wright, one of Michigan's larger law firms is rumored to be on the brink of collapse, with large scale staff lay offs and attorney purges (including partners) last winter/spring. Dykema and Butzel are having similar issues. Pity the poor Michigan graduates. They don't deserve the economy they are inheriting.

An example of the local distinctions tested on the July MA exam was that they tested on the new decriminalization of marijuana law which had only gone into effect in January. Pretty surprising actually.

wow. ct got no love, but we're discussing massholes?

I didn't even realize that the MA essays tested heavily on distinctions and I can't imagine that I did much better than 50 something percent on the MBE and passed anyways.

38 - Clark Hill PLC gave offers to all of its 2009 summers, has hired 5 for next summer (one more than last year - restrained growth is GOOD), expanded into Arizona in Jan 2009, and has not laid off a single attorney. Dickinson, Dykema, and Butzel's problems work to their local competitor's favor.

I do know of a person who summered at Dickinson in '09 and got the offer for next year, so we'll see how badly they are doing. And didn't Dykema just get $250k fee award in the Chysler bankruptcy? That should pay for two associates...

But I concur that all the firms you mentioned are rumored to have problems, and indeed have laid off attorneys.

I think Michigan State is regretting picking up Detroit College of Law right about now. They don't need any more unemployed Spartan grads. Dickinson Wright is going down hill also because their patent attorneys don't know what they are doing: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202431197818.

40: CT is a TTT state. It's nothing more than a buffer between NY and MA. Without Yale, it would barely, if ever, be referenced on this site at all. And even with Yale, it's almost always to say, Yale is great, but New Haven is a shithole.

43 - I love MSU law (currently 3L), but oddly about 48% of our student's are from out of state. I don't think a Big Ten school regrets having an affiliated (yet still private) law school on its campus. But I agree generally that there are about to be a fuck load of unemployed Spartans.

You know, I think a natural consequence of this current economic decline will be (1) less student's going to law-school, and (2) less J.D.s will actually ever practice law. Supply and demand, too much supply will lead to a reduction in production. Cooley isn't helping...

45: you must be reallllly nervous! suddenly i don't feel so bad anymore.

-nervous T-10 2L

44, CT is full of TTT cities, but has AAA towns, such as Greenwich, Darien, New Canaan, Farmington, Fenwick, Old Lyme, Essex, Mystic, and Stonington. I would kill to live/work in any of the last four listed.

- Boston resident who loves Boston

Failing the bar is proof of stupidity. Passing the bar doesn't prove anything. There are plenty of idiots who pass the bar.

47: Correct, CT is good in terms of being a bedroom community area for NYC and for some of its super affluent places. But honestly, beyond that, what does CT offer, especially in terms of business, commerce, a legal market, etc.? Hartford isn't exactly an elite city of the northeast. This is a site devoted to the law and the top legal markets. People complain when anything aside from NYC (ex, SF, Boston, Chicago, etc.) is mentioned. CT basically has no biglaw legal market so yes, in terms of ATL prestige, it's definitely TTT.

Texas bar results just came out

50 - Who cares about Texas?

I can name one person who failed the bar:
Elie Mystikal.

Can't figure out which is worse here in Ann Arbor, Cooley or crazy Christian Ave Maria. It's a tough call.

40: CT = Hedge Funds + Insurance + GE + lots of old money.

Go back to Jersey. CT doesn't want you anyway.

49, Hartford has a fuck-ton lot more decent-sized law firms than Providence, which is otherwise a much better city to live in. There are plenty of corporate and back offices along I-95 between Stamford and New Haven, I imagine there is a healthy potential to make bank as a T&E attorney in the Greenwich region, and I believe a little company called GE is headquartered in Fairfield, CT. Also, half of the towns I listed are in the southeastern corner of the state, and aren't really commutable to Hartford or Providence, let alone NYC.

-47

I meant to say "49," not "40."

- 53

54: Yes, CT > RI in terms of law firm market, but RI shouldn't even be in the conversation to begin with. The only city in New England with a real biglaw market is Boston, which is why MA bar news gets more recognition than CT bar news (what sparked this whole discussion). Yes, you could do well with T&E in Greenwich or in-house work at GE, but again, this site focuses on firm life, not alternate areas of practice really.

53: Of which, you are affiliated with none. Do you really think the average lawyer in CT is working for a big name hedge fund, insurance company, or GE? Of course the state has outliers in its favor -- all do. Arkansas has Wal-Mart and Tyson, but you don't see many people saying that the state isn't a TTT in terms of its legal market.

No, the dumb sluts go to Ferris, people. Get it right.

45, maybe employers don't want to hire MSU law students because those students don't know that a pluralization does not require an apostrophe or the difference between "less" and "fewer."

And to you, Nervous Top 10 2L, I shall see you again you know where.

60: You forgot the smile.

57, just to play devil's advocate, do you really think the average attorney in New York is at a Vault 50 firm? Or is the average attorney in NY some kid doing temp work for $20/hour, or a frazzled forty-year old personal injury burnout in Buffalo? How about Illinois? California? Massachusetts? Guess what, sport - most attorneys DO NOT have illustrious jobs, regardless of what state they are in.

BTW, most respectable NYC firms have an office somewhere between Greenwich and New Haven, because huge numbers of companies have left Manhattan for the much lower rents and easier commutes to be found in CT.

62: Name me some top firms with offices somewhere between Greenwich and New Haven. Since I'm in a generous mood, I'll start you off with the top 20:

1) Wachtell - No
2) Cravath - No
3) Skadden - No
4) Sullivan- No
5) DPW - No
6) Weil - No (and they have a Providence office instead!)
7) Simpson - No
8) Cleary - No
9) Covington - No
10) Kirkland - No
11) W&C - No
12) Debevoise - No
13) Paul Weiss - No
14) Gibson Dunn - No
15) Sidley - No
16) WilmerHale - No (and they have Waltham, MA)
17) Latham - No (and they have Newark, NJ)
18) A&P - No (and they have McLean, VA)
19) Jones Day - No
20) White & Case - No

Seriously, are you just making stuff up or are none of the V20 respectable firms in your eyes? Either way, your CT trolling is about as credible as those Middlebury and Villanova people on the best colleges thread who were talking about how they were turning down Ivies left and right for their school.

Really .... why does anyone care who passed the bar?

The answer is everyone ... You know why? Because its big business.

See ... what happens is a bunch of morons what to go to law school b/c they think they will get rich. BUncH of skools let them in. Then a bunch of "law examiners" let them pass the bar (b/c they will collect fees assoiated with being a member of the bar from them - moreover what the fuk do they care?).

Seriously --- can you fail the bar and be a person who is not retarded?

OUTLAW the bar exam! It's just a money-making scheme. President Lincoln never had to pass a bar.

Then again, he did massacre 620,000 Americans...

63, I don't really give a fuck, because I'm in-house at a highly diversified Fortune 25 company. I went to an undergrad "worse" than Middlebury, and yet work 45 hour workweeks for a healthy six-figure paycheck, and will continue to do so long, long after you've been shitcanned as a mid-career associate, move to Ben-Stuy, and try to survive on document review.

Go drive I-95 up to New Haven; you'll see that SW CT is a 40-mile strip of 20-30 story office buildings. There's plenty of business there.

66: Yeah, so basically you went from flagrantly making up crap (search for CT in NALP if you really want to see how many firms are in the state) to citing random anecdotal information (wow, some office buildings!) to support your point that CT has a lot of commercial activity taking place instate. That's great if you really have an good in-house job in CT (this is ATL so people make up all sorts of crap), but that doesn't mean many other lawyers in the state do.

46 - True Story. I turned down a transfer to your school because mine gave me 100% tuition. I've got a 100k job in my pocket, and 60k less debt. I never intended to leave the state, and I ended up at a firm where my peers went to UofM. But I admit that is not a common story at MSU.

59 - suck a dick. (Look! I didn't capitalize the first letter of the sentence! Alert the internetz!) I don't spell / grammar check my informal internet posts. (Is it proper to use the "/," or should I write out "and?") But if it makes you feel better, yes, you caught the mistakes, and you proved yourself to be a prick in the process. (Can I start a sentance with "but?")

As we all know, there is no single determinant of success in life than proper spelling and grammar. Since you seem to relish in the discovery, I includded a few mistakes in this post as well. Go to town, and please, let us all know what you find! You are so smart!

Speaking of employment prospects, how much does grammar asshole pay these days?

64 - careful, grammar nazi's gonna bite ya!

WAIT! 68 here, I used "since" when I should have used "because." Oh curse my lower-class education!

I have an underage and an open container, will I pass the C&F?

I cant believe "AAA" fools who continue to live in shitholes in Manhattan and Boston and then look down on places like the entire state of Ct. For realz people, be smart about your quality of life. Unless you're making partner loot, you're pissing your money away. You could work in Hartford and own a palace in the burbs with a 15 minute commute; access an airport international routes in no time; visit shitholes like manhattan and take your ass home in no time. Hartford--look it up.

Oh CT is amazing. I'd especially recommend southeastern connecticut. Particularly if you want to practice divorce law, get out of jail-free (and return to your methlab) law, or casino law. Also a hot field: "Get your baby daddy to acknowledge your crack-baby" law.

39 -

I totally missed that marijuana question.

And I passed.

38,

Don't pity the Michigan grads. Their school wanted to discriminate against more qualified applicants and most of the students probably voted for Obama.

Major life lesson for them. I hear ACORN is looking for community organizers.

68 - you must be the only person with an income over 17K that went to MSU! Isn't MSU ranked below Gonzaga and Chapman? I mean, they aren't even 3rd tier right? We're talking unranked territory, like a wet turd in a 5th tier toilet right? I bet your employment rate is somewhere around 2-4% at best, right?

71 - yes you will. There are a couple associates and partners at my v10 who have far worse - sex with a minor, minor drug violations, and solicitation of prostitution.

74: It wasn't a question. It was a tiny tiny little side point of a much larger essay on criminal law. Even if you identified the point and got the law wrong , I doubt it would have made that much of a difference in the grading.

72: You're forgetting that most people want to live in a city that has sports teams, cultural attractions, low crime, etc. Hartford has none of these things -- it's a rancid TTT filled with dangerous streets and urban decay.

Furthermore, your whole premise of working around Hartford depends on their actually being firms in the area. However, Hartford (and really the whole state of CT) has basically zero biglaw presence -- look it up on NALP if you don't believe me. Bingham (~50 people), Day Pitney (the one big Hartford firm), Dechert (~10 people), and Jackson Lewis (~30 people) is basically all that CT has in terms of biglaw.

70 FTW

If Southern CT doesn't have "real business," then every part of the country except for midtown Manhattan, Wall Street, LA, and Washington, DC does not have real business.

81 - you are an idiot. There is still Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Philadelphia, San Diego, Miami, San Francisco, etc - all beat the shit out of Southern Connecticut...

82: All are also sizeable legal markets and therefore, would warrant ATL coverage of their state bar results. ATL is covering the MA bar results in large part because many MA test takers who pass the bar will start at biglaw firms in Boston. This, however, is impossible with CT and the CT bar results, because there is no such thing as CT biglaw -- as an earlier post stated, there are only like 3-4 biglaw firms in CT and half are small satellite offices.

42 - How do you know these stats?

Do you know the 2009 offer rates for other Michigan firms or how many students were hired for this coming summer?

I graduated from MSU Law ten years ago, right after the school moved up to East Lansing from Detroit. MSU has some of the hottest co-eds in the midwest [of course, none of them would ever give Douchie the time of day].

There are good opportunities in Michigan for entrepeneurial law grads who are interested in starting their own practice. Yes, rainmaking is a challenge right now, but certainly not impossible. The upshot to the bad economic climate is that overhead is eminently manageable.

Best of luck to the law rookies in Michigan. Hope to see you in court.

75 et al: nobody needs to keep saying "Pity the Michigan grads." If you're a UMich Law grad working in Detroit, you are an idiot based on (1) your bottom 10% grades in law school and/or (2) your foolish belief that "Detroit's really turning around!" and that not getting shot while walking from the parking lot to Comerica Park counts as "urban renewal." No pity deserved in either case.

Plently of people who grow up in Michigan go to law school in Michigan - Wayne is respectable, MSU is respectable. Umich is obviously more than respectable. It it understandable that Michiganders might need to stay in Michigan for family reasons, etc. That doesn't make them idiots. If Dickinson falls and Butzel falls, that is less employment for Michigan law grads, some of whom don't have the option of moving. So we should pity them, because it is not good for the state of Michigan to experience a brain drain, and it's not good for the American way of life if families are split apart, communities are decimated, etc.

I am a TTT grad, right outside the top third (apparently making me the biggest moron ever) and I am one of the few in Michigan who can say that they have a firm job right now. A year ago I would have killed to be in the "big firms" of Detroit, but with Dickinson and others crumbling, I am happy with my small firm. The pay isn't great, but we aren't paying Manhattan rents here. I have a lot of responsibility and they seem to value me here.

That said, I haven't gotten my letter yet...so I will re-post if I find out that I have to give up said job...

Recently heard (central) CT described as "nice place to live, wouldn't want to visit there." Hit the nail on the head. Those of us working in-house or at one of the few larger firms here enjoy reasonable sophisticated practices and good quality of life. But I also agree that it's not a Boston, Chicago, NYC, DC or similar. Those of us who live here don't want it to be, but that doesn't mean the state warrants coverage on a site focused on large law firms.

"Wayne is respectable, MSU is respectable."

No.

The ONLY good thing about the state of Michigan is that you can buy an entire fricking house for like $500.

OH MY GOD -- who cares about this stupid CT argument except the 2 or 3 people having it? We get it: one of you thinks CT is the best ever and one of you thinks it is irrelevant. Neither of you needs to have the last word; the last to post doesn't win the argument, you know.

And I passed Mass! And I have a law firm job (for now, anyway)! Sure, some of you say only morons fail -- but we all worry about it until we get the news.

Plenty of Wayne and Detroit College of Law grads have great careers in the Midwest region and are excellent attorneys. In comparison to Cooley and other area law schools (University of Toledo, etc.) they are fine. In comparison to U of M or Georgetown, not same level. Dickinson and Dykema have been around for like two hundred years (slight exaggeration), their demise has serious consquences for the region.

Wait so how solid are these rumors of Dickinson, Butzel, Dykema going under? I need to know how much schadenfreude I should be feeling right now.

Because letters were mailed two days ago, Mass results should get posted online today for those who haven't yet received their snail mail. Thus, we should also be getting the passage rate statistics today.

Dickinson is in v. bad shape. Equity partners took 20% cut in 2008 plus large staff and atty. lay offs. Butzel similar. Dykema better, but not good shape.

The big firm model is dead...EVERYWHERE.

(dun-dun-DUNNNN!)

96: Thanks. I will now buy a bottle of Cook's with my deferral stipend and toast my excellent decision-making in Fall 2008.

94

86 - you have to be top third (and at the very least top half) to have a chance at Detroit firms from U of M.

99 -- based on my personal knowledge, you are wrong.

86

Saying "MSU is respectable" is like saying a Walrus
is fuckable."

95- you have any idea what time today? i'm nauseous....

75,

Yes, but such discrimination was merely "benign."

No harm, no foul. * shake hands *

According to the sadists at the Mass. BBE office, bar results won't be posted online until tomorrow (Friday).

104-thanks, guess i'll try to do something else besides hit the refresh button

101 - I went to U of M (I'm guessing you did, too or Ohio State?). Be objective.

What about Traverse City - is there any market for law grads up there? I know that area used to attract many weathly individuals, and I believe they experience rapid growth in early 2000s. How is the economy in that area doing now?

107 -- only if you want to specialize in BigCherry Law

I'm an MSU Law 3L. Rumors of Dickinson and Butzel's demise are vastly overstated. Dickinson offered 5 of 11 summers and I'm pretty sure Butzel had an even better offer rate.

is nervous t10 2L the same guy as nervous t10 1L? Jared, is that you?

Dickinson's summers also include its patent academy, so not typical of rest of practice groups. They used to have much larger classes and have 100/% rates.

In Michigan, first year associates 105k a year and can buy a house for $500. Shove that into your cost of living calculator.

Miller Canfield has a booming motorcycle gang practice.

First year associates (like all associates) in MI had their salaries slashed. Buying a house in Okemos or Oak Park is a lot more than $500.00. Cheaper than Chicago and NY/DC, but not cheap by any means. Most attorneys who live in Detroit proper live in condo buildings with good security, also not $500.00.

Also, 113, motorcycle gang is not the preferred nomenclature. Motorcycle club, please.

This just in - criminal enterprises have $$$ and need legal services.

99 - Not true. You have to be towards the top of the class to work at a branch office of the larger firms in Ann Arbor (mostly because people with families don't want to move again), but if you want to go to Detroit its a lot easier since nobody wants to work there. Most of the class goes to NYC/DC/Chicago/SF or clerks.

Michelle Obama failed the bar and still got a job at Sidley.....amazing...affirm action at work

117 you're gross. The valedictorian of my law school (Georgetown) (white, WASP, old money) failed the NY bar and Baker & McKenize let her keep her offer and retake it. Why assume affirmative action? Why assume that not freaking out when you take the bar means you are smarter than someone who does? Maybe you are a better test taker, but that doesn't mean you will be a better lawyer. Tons of good test takers have marginal personalities and couldn't rain make to save their lives or aren't creative thinkers....

Pass MA! Second bar (NY was primary). YAY!

118: Not 117, but come on, AA almost certainly had something to do with it. Firms are desperate to maintain at least a little diversity, so one of their few black incoming associating failing the bar is going to be treated a lot more sympathetically than a random white kid (assuming unconnected) failing. And, life is filled with stressful moments like tests, closing a deal at the last minute, going to court to argue for your client -- "not freaking out" under stress is a very valuable skill for a lawyer to have.

Finally, yes, just because you're a good test taker doesn't mean you'll be a good lawyer -- we can agree on that much. However, if you can't pass the bar, which tests very basic black letter law, that's not a very good sign on your overall intellectual capacity, what you've learned / absorbed during law school, and more importantly for your legal career, your ability to dedicate yourself to a grueling and long-term task. If you couldn't devote two months of your life to studying for the bar, then what does that say about your ability to be assigned a long-term litigation or deal matter and stay on top of your work with it?

Simply put, most people who failed the bar either didn't take studying for it seriously (bad work ethic / lazy) or simply don't have the intellectual capacity to be good lawyers (not smart enough). Neither are desirable traits in a lawyer.

For the MSU-bashers: MSU had the highest bar passage rate in Michigan, even better than UofM's.

I'm at UofM, but have some respect.

For the MSU-bashers: MSU had the highest bar passage rate in Michigan for first timers, even better than UofM's.

I'm at UofM, but have some respect.

Food for thought...

First Time Bar Exam Takers Breakdown (Statewide: 88%)
Michigan State University: 95%
U of M: 92%
Wayne: 89%
Toledo: 89%
Cooley: 85%
U of D Mercy: 85%
Out of State Law Schools: 84%
Ave Maria: 74%

123-124: That's due in large part to MSU having to teach to the bar because its students aren't as smart as those at UM, etc. The same phenomenon exists in NY where there are some years where schools like Cardozo have a higher NY pass rate than Cornell, Columbia, NYU, etc.

When do public results for Massachusetts get released?

anyone know whether the MA letters are making it as far as NY today?

Even still, 124, there are a higher percentage of MSU grads passing the bar than UM grads. If all of UM grads are so smart, why is it that 8% of them failed in Michigan - presumably all of us are taking the same BarBri courses.

125: Tomorrow, according to a previous poster who called the BBE.

126: Yes, I have friends in NY and NJ who received their results.

127: That's also a very biased sample -- UM students who want to practice in Michigan after graduation. UM's best and brightest are most definitely not going to practice in Michigan, but much more desirable markets like NY. Instead, the UM grads who intend to practice instate, sans outliers, are going to be the much weaker students at the school who couldn't get firm jobs in other more desirable and competitive markets. In contrast, the overwhelming majority of MSU students will be practicing instate because their degree won't get them a job anywhere else.

So basically, you're comparing the weakest at UM vs. MSU. In that case, I would agree that MSU gets the edge because of the instate admissions quota that UM must fill -- i.e. the bottom of UM's class is going to be filled with substandard Michigan residents who didn't deserve to get into a top law school in the first place.

104-thanks, guess i'll try to do something else besides hit the refresh button

My letter did not come in the mail today (probably because I am in Ohio right now). Anyone know when the Mass BBE will post the results on-line? I heard a rumor that it will be tomorrow.

My letter did not come in the mail today (probably because I am in Ohio right now). Anyone know when the Mass BBE will post the results on-line? I heard a rumor that it will be tomorrow.

I was the poster worried about Mass as my second bar and I passed!!!! Must have been a nice curve.

MI bar passage rates by regional school:

Michigan State University College of Law: 95%
University of Michigan: 92%
Wayne State: 89%
Toledo: 89%
University of Detroit: 85%
Cooley: 85%

Overall first-time passage rate: 89%

129 - Rationalize all you want...

I agree with 112, and add this. Anyone who knows the D-town area knows practically nobody lives in Detroit proper. You either live in Grosse Pointe or some other surrounding suburb. But, for the lucky few who land a 100k+ job, the horrific housing market means you can buy a whole lot of house for your money, even in the 'burbs. For people who grew up here, whose family is here, and whose spouse is already established in his or her career, its actually a pretty nice setup.

136: Make sure to save a little bit for bulletproof windows, a damn good security system, and perhaps an armed guard while you're at it. I dunno about you, but I wouldn't be a fan of living or working in the city with the highest crime rate in the country.

132: The results will be posted online tomorrow, and yes, that's correct -- the letters were mailed out two days ago so there's a good chance you haven't received it yet in Ohio.

137 - you are right, pussies shouldn't work in Detroit.

Metro Detroit is the 12th of the top 40 safest regions to live, according to Forbes. http://detnews.com/article/20091029/METRO/910290498/Metro-Detroit-area-12th-safest--Forbes-Magazine-says

139: Agreed, I'd rather you put your life on the line going into that city everyday vs. me.

140: From the article you posted: "In April, Detroit earned the title of "Most Dangerous City in America" by itself, according to Forbes, which used the city's rate of 1,200 violent crimes per 100,000 people and other statistics gathered from the FBI."

Fine, you get to live in a relatively safe area, but you're working in a fucking warzone. And, as an associate, you're going to be spending more time in Detroit working at your firm than you're going to be spending in your suburban home.

Finally, this isn't even to mention that Detroit is in major decline and probably won't recover to a reasonably stable economic state for another 50 years, if ever. I'd rather not be working in a city that has passed its peak and is steeply declining now.

mass results are online

mass results are where online?

Mass results: http://www.mass.gov/bbe/results.htm

...and I passed!

I clicked on the mass results and it's still showing the feb results

144 is a dick

Geez, 146, angry much? Not really sure how 144 is a dick. I clicked on the link and it worked fine. It also looks as though he was pleased to find out he passed. You are right - what an asshole!!

You people are so sad.

Its up for real now. GL. 90.4% 1st time passers. How do people take this exam 5 times, Really?

Its up for real now. GL. 90.4% 1st time passers. How do people take this exam 5 times, Really?

The link is still giving me February results.

yogface,

144 here. I wasn't trying to fuck with you. I'd be freaking out too if I couldn't get to it. I don't know why it isn't working for you. Try googling or starting at the bbe home page and then clicking on results. Also, if it helps, I'll post each of the 5 links to the actual alphabetized list. Good luck.

A-C: http://www.mass.gov/bbe/p709a-c.htm
D-H: http://www.mass.gov/bbe/p709d-h.htm
I-M: http://www.mass.gov/bbe/p709i-m.htm
N-R: http://www.mass.gov/bbe/p709n-r.htm
S-Z: http://www.mass.gov/bbe/p709s-z.htm

Hope that helps.

Click on the link and then hit refresh-feb will change to july. Weird but it works.

Woohoo! Passed! I'm not in the bottom 10% or so!

But seriously. I was way happy I passed and all, but when I saw that 90% of first timers passed, it kinda took a bit of the joy out of it. It's like I was worried about passing . . . but all the worry was worthless. Kinda left a hole where pure exhuberance should've been. Eh. Fuck it. It's friday. I'm unemployed. I'm getting drunk.

94% pass the Michigan bar? wow. why don't they post statistics about the bar exam in Michigan? And why don't they let us take the exam on computers.