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Career Alternatives for Attorneys: Admissions Consulting and Academic Coaching

tutoring test preparation test prep hot for teacher.jpgIn these difficult times for the legal profession, it’s more important than ever to know all your options. So we resume our series on career alternatives for attorneys — jobs for J.D. holders that don’t involve working as a Biglaw associate or contract attorney.

In a prior post, we discussed the career alternative of entrepreneurship. If you’re tired of working for a boss, then become the boss: start your own company.

Today we focus on two lawyers who, interestingly enough, have started their own businesses in the same area: admissions consulting and academic coaching. Perhaps this is the start of a hot new trend? Cf. the cupcake craze sweeping the nation, which another lawyer is capitalizing on.

Adam Nguyen, formerly of Paul Weiss and Shearman & Sterling, is the president and CEO of Ivy Link. Jon Palmer, formerly of Schulte Roth & Zabel, is the president and founder of The Admissions Experts.

Both businesses are headquartered in New York — which makes sense, given how obsessive Manhattan parents can be about getting their offspring into elite educational institutions. NYC ≠ TTT!!!

Read more about these gents and their new enterprises, after the jump.

Both Adam Nguyen and Jon Palmer have distinguished educational and professional pedigrees — a prerequisite for starting a business aimed at helping applicants get into the schools of their dreams.

Ivy Link Adam Nguyen IvyLink.jpgNguyen, a graduate of Columbia and Harvard Law School, previously worked as the chief-of-staff and corporate legal officer for a large real estate investment company, an M&A associate at Shearman, and a private equity / fund formation associate at Paul Weiss. He also clerked for Judge Faith Hochberg (D.I.V.A.) (D.N.J.).

Admissions Experts ticket logo Jon Palmer.jpgPalmer received his BS from Cornell and his JD/MBA from Emory. After a stint as a consultant in Chicago, he moved to New York and joined Schulte Roth & Zabel, where he handled executive compensation matters. Earlier this year, he left SRZ to start The Admissions Experts.

“Like most newly minted JDs, I was lured to big law because of the compensation and prestige,” said Palmer. “Needless to say, with the increased pay came the long hours that are typical at a large law firm. Although I was earning significantly more at SRZ [than as a consultant], I was extremely displeased with my work life balance, which at the time was non-existent…. I quickly found out that there was nothing prestigious about reading through thousands of pages of diligence documents at 2 a.m.”

Did someone say “prestigious”? Prestige is the Holy Grail pursued by Nguyen’s and Palmer’s clients. Nguyen’s company, Ivy Link, provides education advisory services to applicants to MBA, JD/LLM, and undergraduate programs, as well as one-on-one academic coaching to K-12 students. Palmer’s company, The Admissions Experts, offers help with high school curriculum and extracurricular planning, college selection, and college application preparation.

Like many entrepreneurs, Palmer built a sideline into a business. “I initially got involved in college admissions by helping friends and family,” he explained. “I assisted my two younger brothers through the application process, both of whom attended Ivy League schools, and I have helped over two dozen family friends apply to colleges over the past five years.”

Nguyen also entered the field for personal reasons. He cited his appreciation for higher education and the opportunities it offers, “no doubt stemming from the fact that my family came to the U.S. as political refugees, who like many immigrants saw education as the means for upward mobility.” Perhaps more oddly, he mentioned the masochistic pleasure he derives from taking standardized tests. In addition to the LSAT, Nguyen has taken the MCAT, GMAT, GRE, and the California and New York bar exams. Whew!

“I came from a modest background, where high-achieving and motivated kids often do not have the knowledge of and access to quality education — and ultimately success,” said Nguyen. “My company’s philosophy is to bring ‘smart education’ to the market at ‘smart prices,’ i.e., the elite services we provide do not have to cost a fortune.”

Is it wise to be launching a new business during the Great Recession? Both lawyers turned educational entrepreneurs are optimistic. According to Palmer, “despite the economic downturn, our services will always be in demand because parents want the best for their children, regardless of the cost, and our services positively impact a student’s chances of admission to their dream college.”

Here’s Nguyen’s take:

People asked me why anyone would start a company during a recession. My response is that when you have an idea and a desire to do something, act on it. There’s an old saying (by Lao-Tzu?) that goes something like: the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. Delaying that first step just means you’re STILL one more step away from completing your journey. And you KNOW lots of lawyers are in the habit of delaying things…

The common explanation for lawyers delaying other pursuits (e.g., writing a book, striking out on their own, etc.) is that they’re risk-averse. I’m beginning to think it’s more than risk aversion. Many smart people are conditioned to be task-oriented instead of goal-oriented. We are fantastic at completing an assignment or a task, but instinctively we don’t look beyond that. We are inclined not to set bigger goals for ourselves and ask whether our current “tasks” are leading to their goals. It took a lot of practice and self-motivation for me to move from being task-oriented to goal-oriented.

Perhaps this focus on tasks rather than goals is one disadvantage of coming from a legal background. But having been trained in the law has advantages too. Nguyen and Palmer said that their legal knowledge has helped them in forming and structuring their companies, negotiating contracts, developing business strategies, and minimizing tax burdens.

“I have also found that assisting a student through the application process is very similar to an attorney representing a client before a jury,” said Palmer. “My job is to help a student receive a favorable decision from the admissions committee by helping the student portray their accomplishments in the best light possible, which is similar to a trial attorney presenting evidence for his/her client during trial…. Moreover, the writing skills I acquired in law school and in legal practice directly enable me to provide expert advice to my students on their essays.”

(Palmer’s bio mentions his experience drafting SEC proxy statements for Fortune 500 companies. Hopefully his students’ application essays are more scintillating.)

We asked Palmer and Nguyen if they still practice law — and, if not, if they miss it. Nguyen, who is licensed in both New York and California, still practices on the side: “I’ve always enjoyed doling out advice and helping people solve problems, so I continue to practice law by advising start-up businesses, including investment funds, on basic issues relating to structure and operations. This way, I can keep current with legal developments and help people who are struggling to strike out on their own.”

Palmer, meanwhile, has left the practice of law behind. “While I definitely miss certain aspects of practicing law and the friends I made at SRZ, I am much happier working for myself and helping students achieve their dreams in life,” he said.

We wish Jon Palmer and Adam Nguyen the best of luck with their new ventures. And on behalf of our many readers who are looking for new job opportunities, we’d like to ask: Hey guys, are you hiring?

P.S. That last line was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. But, according to Palmer, “as a testament to how bad the job market truly is, I have received dozens of jobs inquiries from a diverse set of people, including JDs, MBAs, and PhDs, many from top schools.”

The Admissions Experts is not currently hiring, but it does pay referral fees. “If anyone refers a customer to us, we provide them with a payment equal to 20% of a customer’s fees (which in some cases can amount to a $1000 payment to referrers),” said Palmer.

As for Ivy Link, Nguyen said the company also offers referral fees and is hiring, albeit “selectively.”

Earlier: Career Alternatives for Attorneys: Entrepreneur / Small (or Not So Small) Business Owner
Prior career alternatives for attorneys

Comments

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1 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:12 AM

what can you do with your worthless degree? convince others to get one too!

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2 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:17 AM

Ha.

I went to law school with a dude who did this on the side, charging people like $500 a pop to help them with their essays, resumes, etc. But he had no interest in making it into a career.

But I guess - in times like these - a job's a job.

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3 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:23 AM

Charging to help people get into law school after concluding that it's a hopeless profession?

Interesting, and clever.

4 Posted by JaKe Emeritus | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:26 AM

The mendicant Jon Palmer said "I was extremely displeased with my work life balance, which at the time was non-existent." What a simpleton. Always remember this, you menial workers: There are other things in life more paramount than money--and they all cost money.

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5 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:28 AM

Admissions advice from a laid off and deeply in debt Ivy League graduate sounds more like Scared Straight than a sound business plan.

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6 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:33 AM

JaKe took till 11:26 am to make his first post? Now I can finally enjoy the site for the day. Great comment.

7 Posted by Res Ipsa | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:39 AM

Talk about serving one up for Partner Emeritus...something along the lines of the blind leading the blind...

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8 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:44 AM

I would strongly reconsider taking educational advice from anyone who trots out the tired "journey of a thousand miles" aphorism in casual correspondence.

If you can't get past worn-out adages to justify the services you offer, why should your clients think you can get past worn-out educational advice in providing such services?

9 Posted by Pacific Reporter | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:45 AM

Since when is Emory distinguished?

10 Posted by Partner Emeritus | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:46 AM

Parents that need to pay for advice or an "edge" to get their kids into a good school are simply trying to compensate for their defective genetic composition. I have two sons that have prestigious educational backgrounds. Instead of paying for tutors and personal "coaches," I simply instilled motivation in my sons by telling them that if they did not work hard to meet my expectations, I would disown them and sentence them to a plebeian life riddled with penury. Today, I am proud of my sons and the fact that I did not have to spend a dime on cretinous paupers masquerading as "advisors." For the record, an undergraduate degree from Cornell and dual JD/MBA degrees from Emory are not tantamount to a prestigious educational background.

11 Posted by Quinn_Remains | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:48 AM

APPLICANTS RISE

JOBS FALL

THEY'RE ALL SCREWED (CEPT QUINN)

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12 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:52 AM

JE and PE -- done and done.

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13 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:52 AM

Almost lunchtime!

Unemployed '09

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14 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:59 AM

First to advise you not to go to law school.

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15 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 12:01 PM

9,

Since 2009

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16 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 12:06 PM

i'm actually a recent grad waiting for CA bar results. while I wait for my job to start sometime in the who-knows-when-future, i've been making money the same way as these guys--for undergrad & law school. I've also been tutoring 1L's in the area because there happens to be a glut of T3 schools around (los angeles). its a great idea to help weather the economy.

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17 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 12:13 PM

I think it is a great idea. I actually worked as an admissions consultant during my senior year summer. There are some people out there that actually make millions doing it:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_43/b4055063.htm

18 Posted by Partner Emeritus | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 12:17 PM

As for Mr. Nguyen, although your educational pedigree passes muster, I have to call your judgment into question for having clerked for Judge Hochberg. Was that your only choice? If so, it calls your educational pedigree into serious question.

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19 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 12:18 PM


Loretta deloggio pwns these fools. www.deloggio.com. She may be out there but she is the yoda of law school admissions.

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20 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 12:19 PM

How about this? Instead of changing your career, wouldn't it be more expedient to get your career back by petitioning the ABA to stop outsourcing American attorney jobs to India? Hello? Geez, no wonder you folks posting comments here have no jobs as lawyers -- you're stupid!

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21 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 12:30 PM

Is Cornell really Ivy League?

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22 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 12:35 PM

21 = Tufts

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23 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 12:39 PM

It sounds like there are a lot of insecure lawyers on this site.

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24 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 12:50 PM

These comments indicate that lawyers are bitter and unhappy people. Why else would the overwhelming majority of them be derisive? The most bitter of them all appears to be the risen-from-the-crypt Professor Emeritus (at least based on his avatar). Go back to the grave old man!

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25 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 12:54 PM

whats a derisive?

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26 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:00 PM

When i first read this article, I thought the business idea was..well dumb. But then I realized that the market for high school students is huge (easily in the tens of millions) and rich parents probably have no problem dropping a few thousands on these services. I would be interested in knowing how these businesses are doing and what kind of overhead they have. What say you

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27 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:01 PM

When i first read this article, I thought the business idea was..well dumb. But then I realized that the market for high school students is huge (easily in the tens of millions) and rich parents probably have no problem dropping a few thousands on these services. I would be interested in knowing how these businesses are doing and what kind of overhead they have. What say you Nguyen/Palmer?

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28 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:04 PM

Look at the bios of The Admissions "Experts." It's a veritable coterie of "elite" Cornell grads, apparently presenting parents with the benefit of their considerable experience getting rejected from every top 20 school not named Cornell.

http://www.theadmissionsexperts.com/experts.php

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29 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:10 PM

28 - I checked out that link. It looks like they have a harvard, yale, duke, brown, and dartmouth grad as well. It also appears that the dartmouth grad was a fulbright scholar. Is a fulbright scholar no longer considered elite? DId you go to tufts?

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30 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:11 PM

29 - Harvard, Yale, duke, and ocassionaly dartmouth are elite. Brown is questionable.

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31 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:17 PM

29--

Harvard, actually. I was commenting on the founders/managers of the company who seem to have gone to Cornell without exception. But congratulations on discovering that they hired some unemployed Yale and DarTTTmouth grads also.

Love, 28

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32 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:26 PM

28 - why are you so bitter? are you unemployed or something?

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33 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:36 PM

28 is definitely unemployed. Which is why the only he can harp about is that he has a Harvard degree. Too bad unemployment does not distinguish between degrees.

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34 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:44 PM

1, FTW.

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35 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:56 PM

Fuck you atl I came up with the idea to do this last year now i will have to compete with all those you gave this idea to

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36 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 2:06 PM

Duke is elite?

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37 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 2:17 PM

36 = UNC

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38 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 2:28 PM

13, you can afford lunch?

Unemployed motherfucking '07

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39 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 2:32 PM

This is only semi-related, but literally one-third of my OCI's job listings are for OCI or admissions staff/counselors/directors at other law schools. Perhaps that should be a future alternative career thread.

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40 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 2:46 PM

I looked at the website (www.theadmission sexperts.com) and would never advertise or use a service like this. Elie, did they pay their bill on time?

What good would Celia be? She was named a Fulbright Scholar (so far, so good) but her career aspirations end at helping kids get into college?
For that matter, what good would any of these recent graduates be?
I can't imagine these wet behind the ears new graduates offering anything remotely like quality advice to people making an extremely important life decision. Thousands of dollars to review a high school kid's essay? Unreal.

I'm calling in another airstrike from DOJ Secure.

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41 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 3:01 PM

40 = Unhappy with life

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42 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 3:09 PM

41 - it doesnt sound so much like 40 is unhappy, as he is suffering from repressed homosexual rage.

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43 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 8:38 PM

I may be a little biased here, but I have seen new business owners make one consistent mistake. They see only as far as the end of their nose when it comes to long-term brand-building.

They hire cheap content or copywriters and cheap web designers and wonder why they fail after a year. Image is just too important and building a familiar, distinct brand is a hallmark of successful businesses.

K Richard Douglas
CEO

TheGreatWriter.com
SolutionContent.com
AdvisorsFriend.com

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44 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:25 PM

39 - Already covered:

http://www.abovethelaw.com/2008/06/career_alternatives_law_school_administration.php

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45 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 7, 2009 2:50 AM

Can't comment on Nguyen - never met him - but Palmer is a super-nice guy, and smart too. Lots of luck, Jon!

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