This is the Univ. of Illinois we're talking about. All the students are TTT.

Elie's on secondment to the DOJ. He's going to run Obama's Good Samaritan Crimes Unit in the Office of Racial Profiling for a year.

FOURTH IN THE BUTT

(FORTH IN THE BUTT? LOL)

Lat,

The day is over. Can I come out of your dildo dungeon now?

- Elie

Partner Emeritus has been drinking.

Herman and Hurd did nothing wrong. They just did what they had to do to get jobs for their students. They helped to level the playing field.

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Heidi Hurd should also resign.

Foregoing a $300k bonus, but receiving $244k to take a year long vacation. Then $244k/yr after that to teach what - nine hours of classes per week, for 14 weeks, twice a year? $244k for 252 hours of work per year for a president resigning amidst a scandal? Welcome to Illinois.

This is a dramatic story and since I hail from Chicago, it really hits home for me.

Guary Lawrence Nicholson

that guy in the picture was playing with himself when the picture was taken. stare at it for 30 seconds and i think you'll agree

This gentleman is a handsome rogue.

The fact that you refer to anything as TTT in your post demeans the entire blog.

I attended U of I undergrad, and law.

I was also a member of Chancellor Herman's fraternity at Illinois (though much later than he was).

I have met him, and I can tell you that he's a genuine person. I doubt he had any intentions of getting mixed up in the Blago scandal, or that he had anything but the best intentions. But, as with most things, sticking your head in the sand can make a person just as culpable as knowingly permitting the behavior.

HOWEVER, LAT AND ELLIE PLEASE TAKE NOTE:

It has been noted, at least 2 dozen times now, that Dean Hurd's e-mail requesting 5 big firm jobs in exchange for accepting a TTT student WAS SARCASTIC. This is true for two reasons: (i) she is a very dry, sarcastic person; and (ii) the person she was talking with HAD NO CONNECTION TO ANY LAW FIRMS. That's not to say Dean Hurd's e-mail was ethical, she was most certainly not engaging in quid-pro-quo negotiations for big firm jobs.

Quit reporting that as though it were fact.

15- FYI- As a lawyer, you are bound by what you write. Most criminal convictions in white collar crime investigations come down to the content of an email. A court of law will take the emails as fact, so it is only logical that a legal blog take these emails as fact as well. Whether she meant to or not, when she put those words in the email, they essentially became facts.

Most lawyers and law students understand this concept, but they tend to forget it when they are rushing to the defense of someone and let emotion get the best of them.

Kash

Who the hell do you think you are? You did not even attend law school. This means that you did not even get admitted to a TTT. How can you knock a program unless you got into a better one? That would be like me saying minimum security prison is for pussies. I have never been to jail, so it would utterly lack context and probably misrepresent what prison actually is. Now if I had done a stint in Sing Sing or something, I could earn the right to say that.

Kash Hill
not even a TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

17: not going to a TTT doesn't equal not being able to go to a TTT

-not Kash

18

but it certaintly doesnt demonstrate an ability to go to better than a TTT

19-

Nor does it demonstrate an inability to go to better than a TTT.

We could do this all night.

20

But you shouldnt shit on people who have demonstrated the ability to do something that you have not demonstrated the ability to do and do better.

Kash -- go to law school and then come back and write for this blog.

Kash,

If I fly you to Chicago, can I take you to dinner?

Junior Partner

21, she's Kash Hill. She could go to any lawschool, just sending in a photo. But she's also Duke undergrad and can totally hold her own with all of the d--k Ivy-leaguers on this site.

You know, for all the race baiting, serious typos, outright defamation, and even the occasional misunderstanding of the law that leads to pointless bullshit (gvmt hiring lawyers to combat swine flu litigation) I do hope that he continues his push for a student loan bailout. I think that is the only thing I agree with him on, other than the Mike Vick article that he poorly wrote on True/Slant.

Keep ya head up Elie. And keep up the open threads on practice areas, and try to focus more on opportunities for employment than on layoffs.

Free Elie.

As I've said before, as much as I don't like Elie's sloppy writing, race baiting polemics and extreme political bias, I sincerely hope that he keeps this job. Even though he apparently didn't pass the NY bar and thus should have limited opportunities to practice law, we are all a lot safer with him editing a blog than doing something that make actually affect our lives.

Shit, my post was full of typos. But I ain't the editor...

-26

Huh. I always figured Kash's NYU credential was for law school. I feel violated or something. Man.

I wonder if Kash is sad that Elie got canned?

Hairpenis

16 - You're an idiot. Of course words MEAN something, but only a moron insists that words and sentences do not have context. Even a cursory reading of Dean Hurd's e-mail would lead the most simple-minded amongst us (i.e., you) to understand that it was SARCASM. I hope your grasp of the English language does not impede your ability to render competent legal services to your clients.

And all you morons referring to IL LAW as a "TTT" have misread the original post (it was the STUDENT that was the subject of this reference). It may not be Cornell, but IL LAW was still a top 25 (or was it 20?) law school last time I checked (US News rankings). Now the recent admissions scandal may change that, but it's been fairly highly ranked for 30+ years. The median LSAT for its incoming class is a 166 and the median GPA is 3.8.

Lat

Somewhat crazy (tweeting anger at a specific employee is proof) but generally likeable foreign guy who spent highschool hitting on chicks because he wanted to be like his friends, but generally failed at getting laid.

Fez (From that 70s Show)

Somewhat crazy (wild enjoyment of candy and occasional misplaced anger) but generally likeable foreign guy who spent highschool hitting on chicks because he wanted to be like his friends, but generally failed to get laid.

Coincidence?

Lat/Fez
Fucking bring Elie back. His posts always have typos (correctable). Sometimes there are far more blatant mistakes (teachable moments). But goddamnit, you are not funny. At all. Even in a "hey everybody- look at a foreign kid trying to give it a shot" sort of way. Certaintly not in a literal way. Elie is funny. Often. Let him blog. It makes your site better.

Is this just because he went to the left of Al Sharpton? I know you are federalist society and all, but damn. Enforce restrictions like "no blogging about racism" or something, but dont can the guy. He is honestly a value added type of asset. And if you have to blog to give little more to balance what is a liberal point of view on your blog, so be it. Dont be lazy. Dont make this a politcal thing. Let the man have his fun, and have yours as well. That will make your blog infinitly more readable and therefore more profitable.

And given the context of the last week or so, I wonder what caused your anger. I am sorry if a certain QE partner sued/threatened to sue you. Is that what pissed you off? I have no affiliation with QE and I know no one who does, so I have no idea what happened, and I am just throwing that out there given the botched email quote, but I figure that whatever turned you (Lat) into such an insufferable asshole for a time must have been serious. End the speculation. End the suffering of the masses. Bring back Elie Mystal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

man... Future Elie missed the shtick opportunity of a lifetime today... you would think, you know being from the future and all, that this day would have been seered into his memory.

32 is an idiot. Lat is running a business here and Elie's screwups are threatening the value of the business. It's not about politics or race. Elie's QE screwup was absolutely unacceptable. Elie is being paid for editorial services, not to just blindly copy and paste material sent in from anonymous sources. At a minimum he had a duty to crosscheck the email against versions provided by others. He could have put up a post that said "Hey, if anyone is at QE and has a copy of the email that is allegedly going around, please send me a copy so I can confirm the accuracy of the version I already have". His mistake was honest but it was also indicative of his utter refusal to be an editor. Elie is the type of guy who would be a good contributing editor, but he has to be properly managed by someone who knows what it means to be an editor. Lat's probably as much to blame for hiring him in the first place, but if he demotes Elie or gets rid of him entirely he'd be totally justified.

34 is an idiot. Mystal is effectively running a business here. It is often about politics or race. Perhaps he cannot compare the interoffice memos against other versions of them because he only has one. He generally has to make a post about once an hour. Therefore, his opportunity for due diligence is limited. Upon the assumption that it takes him ten minutes to write a blog, he can only spend 50 minutes researching it. In those 50 minutes is included the time that it takes emails to be sent and returned, probably multiple times. If you are expecting a 100 percent accuracy rating, perhaps you should refrain from blogs and only pay attention to "real" journalism. But of course, you would probably still be looking for the balloon boy.

32

15,

To your first point: How many email exchanges does it take before it stops being a "sarcastic" joke and becomes an actual quid-pro-quo? Also, why was the director of Career Services copied on all of those emails? Let me guess--so she could be "in on the joke?" Please.

To your second point: It was for jobs in state departments not jobs at law firms, so we can do away with that theory.

But cool story about meeting the former Chancellor, Hansel. And that's a fact.

*cue Dikembe Mutombo finger waging*

Elie should be fired. His typos are indicative of his lazy journalism. He doesn't read what he writes, doesn't follow-up, doesn't investigate -- nada. He's like a DMV employee with a pension. Such tardness doesn't cut it outside of government.

32 = Elie's wife

32/35, get a grip. Elie doesn't post every hour. Even if he did, not all posts are alike. As an editor, he should know that when you reprint an inflamatory email and identify where it came from you have to do more diligence than when you post general rumor about free sodas.

I am a current UIUC Law student. I cringe every time I read or hear someone defend Hurd's comments as being sarcastic.

Hurd, et. al., embarrassed this school. Why defend her so blindly?

38=michelle obama

Shut your cracka ass mouf, 41, or I'se going have my baby dadda raise your taxes!

Yo babby dadda can't even get the fucking olympics, much less pass even a small part of his policy through a Congress where his own moonbats hold sizable majorities in both the house and the senate.

That fucking milquetoast sure as shit won't be raising anyone's taxes anytime soon, you fugly bitch.

Kash is T3, not TTT.

so, all the talk about sloppy journalism and typos are directed at Elie,but this current post, by Kash, is not clearly written and has some confusing typos, especially in the quote. what constitutes sloppier journalism than typographical errors in a quotation. that's essentially misquoting someone. this just proves that ATL readers are not truly committed to the meritocratic principles they invoke in order to accost Elie, a person who they disagree with politically and who they refuse to sympathize with because of their preoccupations about race. what a pathetic lot.

45 - "what constitutes sloppier journalism than typographical errors in a quotation. that's essentially misquoting someone."

Exactly. You don't seem to be familiar with how Elie royally botched the Quinn Emanuel email (which he misquoted in a substance-altering way).

45 - here is a screen capture of Elie's huge QE memo mistake. I took a screen cap so you can't accuse me of editing.
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/400/45137997.jpg

45 - It's because the sex-starved law gnomes who spend all day and night indoors under fluorescent lights have somehow convinced themselves that "Kash" is "hot."

And to all those who think the QE email "mistake" was "kind of a big deal" - e.g., 46 - give it up and get a life.

45 = Elie.

I was unable to check ATL over the past few days., so I'm somewhat behind on the latest gossip. Was Elie suspended for the QE post?

He was either suspended or voluntarily quit.

46: and your point is? my point is that they all make mistakes of varying magnitude. Lat has been threatened by lawsuits because of stories he authored where someone felt they were improperly or unfairly depicted. he has made more corrections and retractions than i can list here. that doesn't make him any less worthy an editor than Elie, whose big problem is typos. besides, all of these threats of litigation about quotes and depictions are veiled efforts at censorship. people threaten defamation and false depiction suits to drive up the costs of doing business for ATL, discouraging it from reporting embarrassing scandals. in reality, it is so difficult to succeed on a defamation claim against a news publication that fair-minded people understand those threats to signal strike suits, not meritorious claims. the readership here seems too obtuse to pick up on that, which is sad commentary coming from a readership that is supposedly preoccupied with the legal profession. again, pathetic lot.

off topic: what does "ITE" mean in the context of an autoadmit thread?

30- Sarcasm is virtually impossible to prove in a court of law. You're essentially trying to tell a fact finder that words mean the opposite of what they say.

Now, when you are reading through contracts outlines with your 1L buddies and someone makes a sarcastic comment, sure, some of you may get the joke.

But when adults go into a court room, and deal with something in writing, no one is going to give you the benefit of the doubt that the witness was "just being sarcastic."

does a new faculty member make $244,000 per year? no way. doesn't an entry level law prof. make around $85,000 - 100,000?

i just saw a naked guy run out of my building

Even if this were true, why would it be a scandal? All FTTs admit unqualified applicants based upon political connections--in fact, they go so far as to openly admit it, albeit in more palatable terms ("we very much value our alumni networks, and will strongly consider their contributions to our university in the admissions process"). U of I would simply be trying to play the game to move up in the ranks.

If Elie leaves then so do I. No more clicks for ATL from me!

The information in the "it wasn't all bad" paragraph of this story is seriously inaccurate and misleading. The famous email was about exactly one applicant, and the email called for five "high-paying jobs in law firms" that never materialized, based on everything I have read about this subject. Whether the email was intended to be sarcastic is not relevant here. It didn't lead to any jobs.

59, that's why attempted murderers should never go to jail, right? They didn't lead to any homicides.

60, you're an idiot. My point is that the article's suggesting there was a good side to this is wrong.

I'm a UI Law grad. A lot of Hurd's e-mails were plainly sarcastic, but her attempts to explain it all away were quite pathetic.

57, it was a scandal because the Chicago Tribune made it into a scandal to sell papers. That's about it. Every school does this. The problem here was that Illinois is a public school and the special treatment was given to those with political connections (how the state legislators who demanded special treatment have escaped this scandal is beyond me).

Elie isn't leaving. I asked him. You all can relax with the speculation now.

63 - Of course you are correct. The Chicago Tribune reporting was an exercise in sensationalism; very unbecoming. And yer darn right all law schools do this; UIUC was only "outed" because it is a public school and had to accede to FOI requests for its internal correspondence. I wonder if any alums or politicians have ever used influence to get their deadbeat relatives or constituents into Harvard? Duh.

54 - You remain a moron. Part of the JOB of an attorney at trial is to CONVINCE the trier of fact WHAT THE FACTS ARE. Your suggestion that all written communications are viewed by juries and courts as nothing more than the words on the page is just, well, stupid. I am not a law student. I try cases and have done so for over 20 years. Half the job is EXPLAINING WHAT THINGS MEAN, even if the simpleminded (i.e., you) initially perceive it otherwise. The best example is when opposing counsel made a big deal about my client having done something on January 12th because an e-mail said he did it on 01/12/2009. The client was from England where this date refers to December 1st.