‘Run, Forrest, Run!’ (And then go get a J.D.)
The New York City marathon happens this Sunday. We know many lawyers who will be running it, and we wish them luck.
The marathon did not impose a minimum age until 1981 (16, raised to 18 in 1988). Pegged to the upcoming marathon, the New York Times had a fascinating article earlier this week about child marathoners, focusing on Wesley Paul, Scott Black (pictured), and Howie Breinan:
The adventures of Paul, Black and Breinan offer a glimpse into a forgotten aspect of the running boom of the late 1970s. Preternaturally self-disciplined, they were among about 75 children (ages 8 to 13) who tackled the early years of the New York City Marathon in a time of novelty and naïveté….With no conclusive study, physicians still debate risks to children who compete in marathons, like muscular-skeletal injuries, stunted growth, burnout, parental pressures and the ability to handle heat stress.
Another risk: going on to become a securities lawyer. Two out of the three child marathoners profiled by the Times now practice in that field.
Scott Black is a senior trial lawyer at the Securities and Exchange Commission in New York (after several years at Wachtell Lipton, where he worked with Lat on a number of cases). Wesley Paul is a partner at Michelman & Robinson, where he practices corporate and securities law.
We touched base with Black and Paul to ask about possible connections between their running and legal careers. Read more, after the jump.
We asked Scott Black (Columbia / NYU Law) if there are any attributes cultivated by or helpful to distance running that translate into legal practice. He ticked off several: “Endurance, discipline, focus, and probably a general Type-A analness.”
Wesley Paul (Harvard / University of Michigan Law) agreed, and offered this additional insight:
I think running gave me a general awareness that every big problem can be broken down into smaller ones that are easier to handle. I broke down my marathons into separate stages, each of which was easy to complete — and then I’d mentally reset myself.I tend to use that approach when analyzing complicated legal issues for clients. I would also pretty much agree with Scott’s take as well, but also add to the list confidence in tackling the unknown.
We are fans of running here at ATL and have a few marathons under our belts (although not at nine years old). Lat ran the New York marathon in 2005 and 2007, and Kash ran the Burlington, Vermont marathon in 2008. While Lat and Kash were amazed by the kiddie runners, and interested in finding a legal angle on the Times story, Elie’s response was: “The legal angle is, it’s f**king child abuse!”
Lat and Kash had a running group in D.C. but have not yet started one in New York. If you’d be interested in joining us for runs, likely along the East River, shoot us an email (subject line: “ATL Running Group”). And don’t worry — all runs would be off the record.
Children of the Marathon Recall a Forgotten Time [New York Times]




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Crap.
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What kind of BS nonsense is this? C'mon folks, where is the gossip?
I ran 3:10 in the New York Marathon, but according to the legal profession my TTT law degree automatically adds 2 hours to the time, so I really ran a 5:10.
PE was just convicted of drowning his wife while scuba diving.
Elie doesn't like running? News flash!
Fatty's name is noticeably absent from this byline, though in his defense QUINN REFRAINS from marathons as well
Did you have to wear plaid when running the Burlington Marathon, Kash?
5, but I bet you billed at least 15 hours that day.
5 - LOL! Nice comment.
Why did you have to give Scott Black and Wesley Paul free advertising on ATL? That's just ignant.
This would never happen at Onek, Klein & Farr.
This is drivel. Maybe instead of wasting energy on completely useless posts, ATL staff could add some relevance (and credibility) by adding select threads on topics where only people with real insight (people who are identified and qualified) comment on such things as rainmaking (and related diversity issues) without being hijacked by juvenile comments that only serve to undermine this blog (a good bad example of that is yesterday's post "Female Partners Are Not Making It Rain").
14, that sounds boring.
Maybe try Am Law Daily or the WSJ law blog - they are closer to what you are looking for.
14, maybe because this is a free blog which has no way of authenticating a commenter's credentials you fucking dipshit. The last thing a blog wants to do is detract loyal readers and "juvenile commenters" such as myself. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR RESUME, TRANSCRIPT, AND TAX FORMS TO ATL BEFORE YOU COMMENT.
*I'm sure that would cause a spike in the readership to attract advertisers. Sheesh.
13--
Onek Klein no longer exists. It's Farr & Taranto now.
I run every day 3 miles a day and each time it still sucks. However; there is nothing better than my one cigarette a day after the 3 mile run.
--Seriously
So what I'm drawing from this story is that Lat and Kash run marathons.
In a related story: Elie Mystal broke a sweat peeling an orange today.
i ran a marathon earlier this year. unfortunately i was just running after a group of hiring partners (i caught them and gave em my resume!) so i don't have an official time.
-nervous T-10 2L
There should be an expiration date on bad shtick.
Massachusetts Bar results out. (via mail; not posted yet)
RUN PEACHES, RUN!!!
Walruses do not run, they flop.
Mystal is the WALRUS.
Suck it, WALRUS.
Running is a good way to get rid of man-boobs
( . )( . ) ..... but is painful in the beginning when they slap you in the face....thus the need for a man-sierre
Query: How does one make sure to check you emails every hour when running or training for a marathon?
Lat,
What, did you not give enough HJs while at WLRK? You are the ex-associate that keeps on giving. Get off their balls already.
excellent post. i don't suffer from "general type-a analness. but serious running has definitely helped me professionally. self discipline, focus, and confidence are much more important than being smart (although I've seen that help once or twice).
I've never met so many people who wanted to run marathons as when I was in law school ... I think it's crazy. Marathons are NOT good for your body but I think that law students are just extreme. If a half-mile run is good for me, then 26.2 miles is SUPER good for me.
I think generally it's because a lot of them are not athletically inclined, were never good athletes, and don't have very good bodies, they think a marathon is a means to that end. But I've never met so many overweight or generally untoned runners as when I was in law school.
Lat didn't even break 10 minute miles. Is that considered "running"?!?
Weird. I am also a corporate and securities lawyer who ran my first marathon at age 10 (not as fast as those guys though). Their diagnosis seems right: anal retentiveness (or mental discipline). But it was also a '70s fad, and my mom and all of her lawyer friends were running then.
I'm not trying to be a fucking asshole here, but bragging about this shit is lame as hell. Brag about your fighting skills or something that really matters.
32, 31 here: You're succeeding without trying, then. That first marathon was hardly my greatest accomplishment! Does bragging anonymously do much?
29: So true. The idea of exercising just to...exercise would be foreign to those people. They need a goal to be motivated.