Oops, I did it again.....

Dismal either way.

i'm sure the responses from college law professors are far kinder than the partners at elie's former firm were when he forgot such meaningless trifles as the prefix "un-".

First to say yeah right.

What are the underemployment #s?

Wow - Emory is even worse than Colorado. 50% of graduating class unemployed. And chicks are not even that hot.

If the percentage of unemployed non-white males amongst that 35% of unemployed CU law grads does not mirror exactly the school's affirmative action guidelines, then we know that CU law and Boulder-area law firms are racist.

Unless, of course, that percentage is lower; in which case, I'm sure my brothers and sisters earned it.

Kash - I have a position for you in my media/investigativejournalism company.
Duties will include general secretarial work, some paralegal work and additional duties for me.

DING!!! DING!!! DING!!!

TTT

FAIL!!!

What do you want to bet they got the stats right the first time and are flipping to save face?

Of course, these corrected numbers don't change the fact that it is a complete waste of money to attend this (or almost any other) law school.

I suppose I should know the answer to this... ahh, fuck it.

я нэ хочу трастумати, етл, ни ен, ни ер, тоер четер в том. ЛО, быр, но не быр, что етн все, поняйали?

as a 2l i would recommend no-one attend law school for at least another year or two, seriously, stay the f%$% away from the legal market!!! after the holding period if you don't get into a t10 school, go to cu. quality of life is off the charts, facilities are amazing, professors are not too pretentious, and the undergrad tail is second to none(well maybe asu, but you get the idea)

The anti-Emory troll clearly attends UGA law. UGA law students are the only people who waste time bashing Emory.

I will not take the time to put down UGA. Solid school.

And for the record, Emory's employment statistics (even though they are probably just as unreliable as any other school's padded stats) are better than 50%.

these numbers are disturbing, even at 65% employed. i hope michigan fares better but so far our career services office has been reluctant to update that class of 07 employment data (99% employed at graduation!).

*has some satisfaction that i was nervous before anyone else (august 08), walks around hutchins with a nervous/smug look*

-nervous T-10 2L

Even with $250,000 in debt, I just can't give a flying fuck about the CU numbers.

and half of those 65 percent employed are working at walmart, substitute teaching, etc.

I believe the original numbers. I graduated '09 from a tier 1 state school. As of graduation I knew about 10-15 people with jobs (luckily I was one of those few). There is no way my school had more than 50% employed. When people asked about our rates the school said they would tell us when they did surveys in 6 months.

35% unemployment is a misleading figure. most of these students earn a fine living selling weed.

Keep in mind that these numbers are always bullshit, so 65% is the best bullshit number they could come up with, taking into account all of the TA positions invented specifically to inflate that number, students who flat out lie about having jobs, etc.

Ahhh 15- you fail and are dead wrong. I just spoke to OCR today and they told me that even their
padded rate shows no jobs lined up for "more than half" the class. And, btw, lots of people bash
the sinking rock of Emory law, besides UGA. Sure UGA
students get as good placement and as good a rep for 1/5 the price, but Emory's over-inflated opinion of itself precedes the name of its almost TTT nature.

This professor is obviously full of shit.

First, schools never report employment data with negative statements. What kind of idiot would express the school's placement statistics as "35% unemployed" rather than "65% employed"?

Second, several sources raise serious doubts about the accuracy of the professor's statement. The Princeton Review (relying on ABA data) reports that only 55% of Colorado grads are employed at graduation in a good economy. (http://www.princetonreview.com/schools/law/LawCareers.aspx?iid=1035780) (subscription required).

This makes sense since only a handful of V50 firms even interview at Colorado (http://www.colorado.edu/law/careers/files/OCI-Employers.pdf).

Also, the school's own website claims that only 87% of grads are employed NINE MONTHS after graduation in a good economy. (http://www.colorado.edu/law/about/factsfigures.htm) Keep in mind that nine month job placement numbers are usually significantly higher than employed-at-graduation numbers.

Colorado is TTT. Done.

$67,500 average stating salary? That's a LOT of street weed.

i'm fucking my rock hard girlfriend in colorado you losers! colorado rules!

I wish schools would stop lying about their employment statistics, especially lower ranked (third and fourth tier) schools. Perhaps if people realize that they'll likely be unemployed at graduation, they'll stop wasting money on worthless degrees.

Of course, this will never happen. The TTTs of the world will continue to pad their employment statistics, raise tuition, lure unsuspecting men and women, and laugh all the way to the bank. It's disgusting and outright fraudulent.

23:
"This makes sense since only a handful of V50 firms even interview at Colorado (http://www.colorado.edu/law/careers/files/OCI-Employers.pdf)."

This is a cause/effect fail. While the numbers don't directly relate to the Vault rankings, only 6% of lawyers in the country are in the Amlaw 50, and less than 15% of lawyers are in NLJ 250 firms.

It might still matter if you're a prestige whore, but the plain fact is the vast majority of lawyers are employed outside of firms with 100 or more lawyers.

Stating the fact that "only a handful of firms with 6% of the lawyers in the country recruit somewhere" isn't quite as impressive sounding.

23 for the win, CU is basically trying to say their numbers for 2009 are just as good as they were 3 years ago. Impossible.

This is Scott Moss, the professor who posted the corection paragraph. I'm postnig this comment non-anonymously so you know someone with a name, a face, and a reputation is standng by CU's corrected stats: as of May 2009 graduation, 65% employed, 35% unemployed. I don't know what else to say to the several brave anonymous commenters who think they sound savvy by declaring that every law school lies about everything. Frankly, CU was being MORE forthcoming, not deceptive, than most schools about the fact that our job numbers are lower then they've been in anyone's memory (and no, I absolutely never said CU's "numbers for 2009 are just as good as they were 3 years ago" -- they're not a CU, or anywhere else, I'm sure), and unfortunately our stat disclosure got mis-reported. We've been trying to matchmake the unemployed 35% into jobs, and we're hoping the 9-month figures will be better; we're only 6 months since graduation now, so we don't know yet what the 9-month stats will be (we just hope THOSE numbers will be reported correctly).

# 29,

You must have someone that can replace Elie. Send resumes to Lat.

29,

Do the "employed" include those who find jobs that they were qualified for before law school? You're employed figure would be cut by at least a third if you only counted legal or jd-preferred jobs.

29, can I have your job? I know how to spell and use semi-colons correctly. Plus, as a recent law school grad, I don't have a fucking job.

31
i agree, but it would only be fair to the students if everyone reported these statistics. plus, there are jobs out there that might not be 'jd preferred,' nonetheless having a jd is a step up anyway...ie president of the united states

#32: I admit I'm a bad typist, but the one semicolon I used was correct, and I suppose one nice thing about recessions is that jerks with attitude problems like you get to be unemployed.

Oh, and I should clarify that Elie bears none of the blame for this. Elie and Lat weren't the ones who got this wrong; a print publication in Colorado got it wrong, and all the blogs (including ATL) just picked up that original report. Elie gets a lot of credit for being the first to run a correction, beating out ABA Journal and the folks who got it wrong in the first place.

"one nice thing about recessions is that jerks with attitude problems like you get to be unemployed."

You might find yourself added to that list. Tell me, does having a CU JD somehow make working as a customer service representative or shop girl less embarassing or more?

33: yeah, having a jd and 150k in debt while working as a substitute teacher or waitress puts me way fucking ahead. Also, your class sucked.

CU 09

As a current CU Law student, I really hope my law school doesn't lie about the employment statistics the way the local ski areas lie about their snow reports!

The other misleading feature is that, I myself, and about 10-15 other grads I know about had jobs at graduation, but the offers were rescinded over the summer. So even if only 35% were unemployed at graduation, there are more unemployed now.

Also, it is very difficult to get a non-law job after graduating law school. Nobody will hire you unless you lie about what you've been doing for the last three years.

BTW the publication that wrote this story is Law Week Colorado, not Colorado Law Week....

That is brutal that the reporter screwed up this statistic...I hope they print an apology to Colorado. That is a pretty big error to get wrong.

I can definitely believe scottmoss is the real deal. Law professors and partners are NOTORIOUS for bad spelling, grammar, etc. At my old v100 firm one of the highest-up equity partners REGULARLY sent me emails saying things like "can u call opposing counsel and set up mtg for Fri am." Yes, with a period and not a question mark, and yes, he typed "u" like he was a 13-year-old girl texting her bff from her pink cell phone.

Must be nice to be so overly important that things like not looking like a total retard in your emails is something OTHER people have to worry about.

For the sake of transparency, which is apparently the goal, there should be a breakdown of employed and working within 3 months, deferred, working in non-legal jobs, etc. It'll never happen because as the poster above mentioned, no one else is willing to do it.

Oh well, as an unemployed member of this class, I don't believe these statistics to be accurate as of today.

As for their accuracy at the time of graduation, I have serious doubts and would like to hear the aforementioned breakdown at the time of graduation.