One 3L’s Anti-Kosher Crusade at Cardozo
This summer, Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law 3L Dave Johnston won $50,000 on the online game show, “Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?” He had a little help from the TruTV (formerly Court TV) anchor, Ashleigh Banfield. When we interviewed him back in July, we asked what his plans were for his 50Gs.
He said he wanted to use them for a “good cause”: fighting back against Cardozo’s kosher policy. Since Cardozo Law is part of Torah-embracing Yeshiva University, the stated policy is that no school money can be spent on unkosher food, according to Johnston. In his words:
That meant student groups could only purchase their food from certain ultra-Orthodox kosher restaurants that had agreements with the administration. In the interest of cost, most orgs would opt for kosher pizza, made without the meat enzyme found in regular cheese but with the rich flavor of oily cardboard. It’s also more expensive than most pies. Meanwhile, one block west of Cardozo is Famous Original Ray’s (the real one) and one block east is Patsy’s Pizzeria. Where I grew up in California, my pizza options were usually Domino’s and Papa John’s. Maybe that’s why this policy boggles my mind. Here you have the world’s finest pizza in pizza-crazy New York so close, and the majority of Cardozo students do not keep kosher, so it just seems criminal to force us to pay more for less.
“Criminal” seems like a bit of a stretch. But Johnston says the kosher policy caught him by surprise when he first arrived at Cardozo:
This kosher situation caught me off guard when I came to Cardozo as a secular Jew. The kosher policy is not mentioned in Cardozo brochures. Cardozo had been described as a secular law school (see [“Cardozo Law School is secular, but as a result of its heritage many of its students are Jewish.”]). I knew Cardozo was affiliated with Yeshiva University, but they seemed separate and distinct. For example, if you refresh the Yeshiva University homepage, you’ll see yarmulkes in most of the photos. I haven’t found a single one on the Cardozo website. To me, that was telling.
Judging potential law schools based on the photos on their websites is probably not the best way to go about the selection process. But at least it tells you more about the attractiveness of the student body than the U.S. News and World Report rankings.
After Johnston won his Millionaire jackpot, he met with Cardozo Special Events about holding an unkosher feast to celebrate his winnings and thank his fellow students for their support. “I wanted to do it by giving them the mouthwatering pizza that no one else would,” said Johnston.
Find out whether pig products found their way into Cardozo conference rooms, after the jump.
Johnston told Special Events that he wanted this to be a typical school event, with a room reserved and flyers posted, and that he would pay with his own funds. Johnston said Special Events then cited a new rule that individual students are not allowed to host official events on campus.
Johnston managed to find a workaround. He made friends with the “avid pork-enthusiasts” at the campus Korean club and sponsored a Korean American Law Student Association event. Special Events was not pleased with this new friendship, said Johnston:
Subsequently, Special Events met with the new dean, vice dean, dean of students and others to discuss my proposal. I was not invited to this meeting. They ultimately decided, apparently as a matter of first impression, that all Cardozo events must be kosher regardless of who pays for the food. They mentioned that they grant a special exception for certain ethnic events, but this is rare. These rules are not written, and we had no opportunity for notice and comment.Fortunately, there is a silver lining here. The school allows individual students to bring unkosher food informally. My friends and I could buy a pepperoni pizza, bring it to school, and share it for lunch.
Last week, Johnston sponsored Cardozo’s first unkosher feast with fifteen Patsy’s Pizzeria pies, most of them featuring pepperoni or sausage. “It was delicious, well-received, and uncontroversial,” said Johnston. Here are the photos to prove it:
Apparently there wasn’t an anti-kosher stampede: “The pizza lasted longer than expected because few people knew what was going on,” said Johnston. “I had to go to the lounge and the cafeteria to make announcements that I was giving away unkosher pizza.”
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Comments
FIRSTY McFIRSTERSON!
Is this guy serious? What a tool.
Where is the Blame AIPAC Guy when you need him.
CARDOZO DOESN'T CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE
I'm just going to preempt JE's douchey comment about a nonpeer lawschool and how his dad's firm only eats at Sparks and Peter Luger's. JE and PE are total strivers.
Columbia 3L
Typical shuffling of the deck chairs on the Titanic by Carbozo administration.
Your students are graduating without a hint of employment possibilities, and you're creating a snit about what's on the pizzas?
He should probably save his money for the long stretch of unemployment every Cardozo grad must endure.
Law students. a class of doucheness unto themselves.
Nice cause loser, you did realize the law school you signed up for was Cardozo. NO WONDER YOU GO TO SHITTTY CARDOZO.
wow, the Cardozo TTT comments are SO clever! I never saw that coming.
Seriously, to all the hattters, get over yourselves and don't trip when coming off your pedestttal.
-Securely employed Cardozo grad
Was this really necessary?
On the real tho, this was a nice gesture. He gotta big heart like Beyonce.
Pasty's sucks.
You pick the only law school that participates in a university wide kosher plan (which by the way makes sense, in that if you eliminate the opportunity to introduce non-kosher items, you minimize the chances of messing up the kosher status that the school provides for the students who, oh I don't know, CARE that they attend YESHIVA University) and then you complain? Moron. Maybe you should get together with the Notre Dame law students who complain about the Jesus stuff all over the place. Should have gone to Columbia.
THIS IS ALL BECAUSE THE PERSON AT CARDOZO WHO APPROVES SPECIAL EVENT BUDGETS IS ORTHODOX AND SHE HATES EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT EAT KOSHER.
This guy has no class; show some restraint, man, and go eat your treife pizza somewhere else. And your dubious claim to being Jewish with a name like that... oy, just another wannabe...
10, did you forget to flush when you received your degree? I heard the place still stinks of your inadaquacy.
the REAL famous original ray's [or is it original famous rays? or original rays? or famous rays?] is in soho. dipshit.
17 pwned 10.
I suppose I should know the answer to this, but is the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law of Yeshiva University accredited by the American Bar Association and a member in good standing of both the International and American Association of Law Schools?
seriously, what a goyisha name
I don't know what kind of douche-tard goes to YESHIVA FUCKING UNIVERSITY and doesn't realize that they will have a kosher policy. Probably the kind of person who cried when he found out the library closes on Friday nights.
Get a life. There is plenty of great treyf just outside the door at Stand Burger. Have some respect for the orthodox population, which is quite significant to the institution for many reasons. If it weren't for them, your precious law school wouldn't exist.
i remember the black law student association had a jazz show or whatever. They put a plate of gross meats near a plate of gross cheese and two yarmulkes went ballistic yelling at the event host. im surprised that dave got away unscathed.
Um 17, if you're going to attempt to dis me, at least have the brainpower to spell correctly, you waste of space.
-10
I hope your pre-tax $50k goes a long way, seeing as how you just got blacklisted by all NYC law firms for being a complete douche.
As much as the orthodox are often self-righteous douche bags, utterly convinced that not mixing meat and dairy lends them superiority, this guy is just a fucking asshole.
Dude - you are at YESHIVA UNIVERSITY. As has been pointed out, Jew-money has literally built that school. You would be at NYLS if not for Cardozo - so have some fucking respect, talk to the pretty girls in long skirts and enjoy the bagels with lox. Jackass.
The REAL Famous Ray's is a myth, and never existed. Thousands of imposters abound!
I'd rather pay $1 a slice at Two Brother's Pizza while slumming it up on St. Mark's Place.
Ditto 25. If by some miracle this guy's resume ends up on my desk, I'll be sure to remember the name.
Of all the things to get upset about. Cardozo raises tuition (without upping merit-based scholarships); offer rates (and employment in general) are a shitshow; the building is disgusting (smells like rancid cafeteria food, is always too hot or too cold). If you're really going to give me pepperoni pizza, fine, but why not do something productive and try to make this a better law school?
I cannot beleive that Kash did not let Elie write this story. Why not, you know he wanted it. Or was he already waddling down towards Cardozo to see if there were leftovers?
lol 30, nice.
Can you spare a few grand to help get that Jesus Cross off of my GULC student id?
Is there actually no interesting news, or have many firms had a large degree of success in silencing ATL's sources?
Can anyone recommend a good, free bondage site? I used to like extremetube.com, but they for some reason removed about 90% of the videos. Not looking for anything too crazy - just some rope play, harnesses, that sort of thing.
- Random Porn Question Guy
GMAFB. He's not getting blacklisted by anybody.
If law firms blacklisted or refused to hire every law student they thought was a douche, the largest firm in New York would be 13 lawyers strong.
Why are Black people always so angry?
Why are Jewish people always so nervous?
36 DOESN'T CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE
37
get away from that white girl
38 DOESN'T CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE
Worst of all at the Cardozo events was the miniature rye bread. I mean, you could fold the meat to fit inside, but then if you kept folding the whole thing, it crumbled, and who wanted to be holding that mess?
It was ridiculous, really, but I rose above it. I was, after all, an aspiring professional.
Yeah, those 50 non-kosher pizzas are going to look like a mistake when this kid is still looking for an offer second semester of 3-L year.
Blacklisted? Probably not, but when a firm goggles this kid they will see a who wants to be a millionaire clip and this article.
Odds are they pass, there isn't exactly a shortage of resumes floating around. Better to pick a kid who hasn't already shown a penchant for offending potential client.
Plus he is from Cardozo, he took his already unimpressive resume and added a reason to completely disregard it.
--ELS 2L
Why are Black Jewish people so nervous and angry?
27's wrong, 18's right. Ray's in SoHo, on Prince St, is the original. I grew up a couple of blocks away, and Ray was there much of the time.
WTF is ELS? Is it Emory? Unless you are HLS, YLS or CLS, you should spell it out.
If Fordham goes out of its way to accommodate and support kosher students, why can't Cardozo do the same for non-kosher students?
Mystal would get there first and eat everything.
Mystal
Seriously ATL - are you that desperate for news?
What a retarded, out-dated, and completely inappropriate school rule.
45 raises a good point.
@44
You figured it out quickly enough, you must go to HLS, YLS, or CLS. Sign your posts or stfu about my sig.
-ELS 2L
ELS = Elie Loves Sausage
emory sucks, 41. I wouldn't be bragging that you go there.
emory sucks, 41. I wouldn't be bragging that you go there.
It breaks my heart that he's so deeply inconvenienced by a private school he chose to go to.
What a punk.
Elie Loves Sausage
Edible Lobster Slacks
25 and 40 = winners
Why do so many law schools go out of their way to accommodate Jewish beliefs (not questioning Cardozo, in that case, it makes sense)? For example, here at GULC there is a kosher kitchen - basically a separate kitchen area from the main cafeteria where Jews can prepare their own meals. Is this common at other law schools?
David, don't let it affect your performance, it's just some crappy university. Nigel
Since Cardozo pays for the Kosher pizza maybe this kid can STFU and stuff his face with the FREE food he probably hunted the hallways for.
@52
Who is bragging?
It is my sig line. I guess I could be a fake douche and post HLS 3L like a lot of posters but I don't need an ego stroking.
The number of comments about my sig goes to 35s point about why you can't blacklist every douche law student. There are simply too many of you.
-ELS 2L
45, Fordham doesn't have Cardozo's problem. Catholic doctrine allows kosher food to be served on church premises. (Communion is a kosher ceremony.) Observant Judaism generally prohibits non-kosher food from being served on premises that are part of a house of study. Exceptions can be made in special circumstances, with rabbinical approval. A self-absorbed secular Jew with an obvious asshole streak who wants to stick Cardozo's nose in a pork sandwich is not one of these circumstances.
Here's a thought; how about we only admit observant Jews to Cardozo? End of problem...seriously, I think the student has a point, but it's not one he had to make. He could have chosen another law school, presumably; nonetheless, I think it highly inappropriate for any institution to prevent anyone from bringing or eating any kind of food. Just because you keep kosher should have zero impact as to what I have on MY plate. I'm not forcing you to eat it, and if you're offended by the mere presence of "forbidden food" in the room, you have a rather larger issue, I think. Nonetheless, I can understand the provocative nature of the student's campaign, and he probably should have thought twice about attending an institution affiliated with Yeshiva. It's not a huge leap to imagine that such a school might have some biases against non-kosher foods. And for all the Elie-haters: GTFO. Check the byline, nerds, Kash wrote this one.
I go to Cardozo and everyone considers this guy to be a class A douche who is constantly seeking attention. Great job Dave! looks like you succeeded!
@60 = racist douche
HLS2L
57-
It's a selling point for prospective orthodox Jewish applicants, and it's a nice amenity for current students. Additionally, I wouldn't be surprised if some alumni donate money to the school with the express condition that the school maintain a kosher kitchen or cafeteria.
I'm not really sure why this is such a big deal.
This guy is insane. The guy is crazy for caring so much where the schools gives out their free food (almost every other day), and he is even crazier for making a big deal out of if. I completely agree with the earlier comments that this guy def look like a fool to every possible employer PLUS they wont change their policy so he gains nothing. There are plenty of good kosher food places in NYC and I'm sure he can find something that meets his standards.
And what exactly was his point by saying he is a secular Jew? To prove that he doesn't care about his own values and therefore we should understand what type of person he is?
Please grow up!!
This guy should have gone to Fordham.
63-
spot on. been in classes with him. total flamer.
57- its common at any institution that wants to be accomodating to observant Jews. Does it bother you?
45 -- because people who don't keep kosher can eat kosher food. There isn't anything to accomodate.
57- its common at any institution that wants to be accomodating to observant Jews. Does it bother you?
45, kosher-keeping people are insular and discrete, that's why.
62- Cardozo allows you to bring in and eat anything you want. Any school sponsored event, however, requires the food to be Kosher. Most (if not all) of these events are actually paid for by Dozo.
If you want to eat a pork sandwich in the cafeteria or lounge-- go for it.... Cardozo simply won't pay for it.
I have no idea what this kid's problem is, he is coming off looking like a jackass.
-Dozo Grad
57, the kosher kitchen looks like it's about the size of a broom closet. (I've never been in it.) Is it really bothersome to you that this valuble real estate is being used this way? Do you really have a problem with a handful of Jews being able to use the room free of pork products? In other words, who f--- in cares???
44: Not so subtle Columbia trolling. Columbia was #5 as of a year or two ago. Despite USNews's recent Boalt obsession, there's a reason everyone knows it as just YHS and CCN. There's no such thing as YHSC.
Waa - I want better pizza! Not Kosher Pizza!
WAAAAAAAA! Can it get worse? Why is this even a story?
Asshole. Asshole. Asshole.
That is all
As was somewhat pointed out in the article, you can bring whatever food you want to the Cardozo building for personal use. The rule is only about food the school buys for student orgs. Of course the school's money comes form tuition, but as mentioned, if you go to GULC your tuition money will go towards putting crosses on your ID card (and diploma). Students at sectarian schools choose to go there. It seems like this guy's non-kosher party is allowed, so I don't see what he's protesting.
44: Not so subtle Columbia trolling. Columbia was #5 as of a year or two ago. Despite USNews's recent Boalt obsession, there's a reason everyone knows it as just YHS and CCN. There's no such thing as YHSC.
As was somewhat pointed out in the article, you can bring whatever food you want to the Cardozo building for personal use. The rule is only about food the school buys for student orgs. Of course the school's money comes from tuition, but as mentioned, if you go to GULC your tuition money will go towards putting crosses on your ID card (and diploma). Students at sectarian schools choose to go there. It seems like this guy's non-kosher party is allowed, so I don't see what he's protesting.
It would be one thing if Cardozo was in the middle of a field in Nebraska and the only food available was school provided. But its in frickin Greenwich Village. Is it really so hard to obtain food that is to your liking?
62-
You're not really getting it. Yeshiva/Cardozo does not have a "bias against non-kosher food" or the people who eat it. Yeshiva University is a Jewish communal institution. It exists to serve a certain segment of the Jewish population. While Cardozo provides a secular legal training, it is undoubtedly part of the larger Y.U. community. This is clear and obvious to everyone here. Jewish institutions usually feel a responsibility to accommodate the most observant Jews who utilize the institution's services- this is not out of "bias," it is a social policy that aims to make as many people as possible feel. Most students and faculty who have had the respect (and perspective) not to complain about this (really quite minor) accommodation to a large segment of the student body (I would estimate that there are a couple of hundred very observant Jews/faculty members here).
I think part of the point is that student organization money is generated by charging students a fee.
The school then "gives" the money back to the organizations. Only now they have to spend it at approve, in this case kosher vendors.
It is poorly articulated in the article, but I think he might have a point. Too bad he chose to completely overreact and make himself look like a douche in the process.
-ELS 2L
I meant: "...as many people as possible feel comfortable"
-81
One time people at the office started talking about "keeping Kosher," and then this short girl who I work with started complaining how the office birthday cake was unlevened or something (this was around passover) so we had to get a different, crappy-tasting, office birthday cake. What's up with that?
81- well said. More specifically, Jewish law doesn't permit a Jeiwsh institution such as Yeshiva U to serve non-kosher food/derive any benefit from non-kosher food. As pointed out, Cardozo students can bring in whatever they want.
If you think that's stupid, that's fine, but its no more stupid than religion in general, and you should probably avoid going to a religiously affiliated law school.
60- your comment completely negates the point you make about not having an ego to stroke. Why would you even bother to mention you attend emory (or els as you insist on calling it) if you didn't want people to read your comment and think, "wow he goes to emory! Impressive."
Come on. Do not attempt to grow a brain or use your deductive reasoning skills. Since you got neither!
I went to Cardozo; and the kosher food policy was far less annoying than sharing class with self-important attention-seeking douches like this chap.
87 is right on.
Someone tell Rabbi Bleich to beardsmack this guy.
What evidence does he have that the Famous Original Ray's near the school is "the real one"?
Why are Jews always so nervous and shifty eyed?
Eh, it's all a bunch of arbitrary line drawing at the ultra-orthodox level. If we're strictly going to adhere to original scripture, then let's bring back the "fathers selling daughters into permanent slavery" stuff too:
Exodus 21:7 "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do." ("Go out" as in ever be freed)
But the good news, is that your Jewish slaves can only be kept for six years:
Deuteronomy 15:12-18 "And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee."
88-FTW!
91: you are a complete idiot.
90, Jews are nervous and shifty-eyed because their culture, being essentially non-violent, requires them put up with people like you, which causes them untold aggravation. My culture, on the other hand, is less evolved. You are far safer in the presence of Jews than among my people, who'd beat the shit out of you for sheer pleasure and community reward.
Do all Jews have to have beards?
"Deuteronomy 15:12-18 'And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee.' "
So that is where the 7 year partnership track got started ...
I'd like to know what is "Orthodox" and what is "ultra-Orthodox"?
Is the "ultra" just being added on pejoratively or is there a large contingent of Orthodox Jews that eat non-Kosher pizza and only the "ultra" ones don't?
Jews killed Jesus.
#14 got it. I don't go to a Catholic Church and expect to take communion and I don't go to Yeshiva expecting a cheeseburger. Someone should tell this gantseh knocker to geh kacken.
97 - Orthodox, by definition, are just about always going to keep kosher. Conservative, in theory, are supposed to, but many don't. Reform and reconstructionist don't believe that the traditional kosher rules are binding.
Ultra-Orthodox was probably more to distinguish between very traditional Jews and those who basically follow scripture chapter and verse. Differences include how much contact with secular society is allowed, etc. But yes, you're correct that neither would be eating non-kosher pizza.
Ha. 98. Haha. Haha. Can't believe it took as many as 98 comments to get a comment as retarded or jokingly retarded as that. The Passion of the bored-ass Above the Law readers
TTT Student does TTT thing - could have saved me a few minutes from reading this piece.
- Another TTT Student
Ernie Els went to law school? I know he hasn't won much in a while, but seriously.
97- for the most part, the ultra is not perjorative. There is no large contingent of Orthodox Jews that eat non-Kosher pizza. Ultra-Orthodox (think black hat and beard) and modern Orthodox (think knit yarmulke on the upper westside) both eat Kosher.
95 - Not since the Northern Alliance retook Kabul
97-
There are different levels of observance- stringency in interpreting the dietary laws is one aspect of it; another aspect is degree of cultural assimilation. Even language - many ultra-orthodox Jews will not converse in Hebrew, which they believe to be the sacred tongue (as opposed to "modern" orthodox Jews, who don't have a problem with modern Hebrew). There orthodox Jews of many stripes, just like in any other religion
I find it interesting that this would be called a "crusade".
What a jerk this guy is. He probably cried about the Saturday building policy, probably cried about the spring break schedule and probably is an all world pain in the ass.
Get used to it Dave - your Diploma is going to say YESHIVA. If you don't like it (or the rules) don't go.
Why do I get the sense that this moron thinks $50K is an empowering/life altering amount of money....
108-
Because he's an "actor" or "comedian" or some such thing, and he's utterly unemployable, either as a performer or as a lawyer.
Man, all the Jews came out in force today. I don't see why this is such a big deal. I don't see why the school can't make an accommodation. If putting the food in the kitchen might ruin its Kosher status I'm sure you could do something like put tables in the hallway or outside. People eating pizza is not going to make the world come crashing down.
Lay off, people. The ones calling this guy a douche are just as douchey. If this guy's resume landed on my desk I'd have a laugh and move on to whether he's a good lawyer.
I don't see why we have to be oversensitive to all these little sects of different religions. You'd never hear these people get all up in arms about interfering with the religious practices of Zoroastrians or Uighurs. You can't live your life being inflexible. Sometimes things don't go your way - being a good lawyer means finding a way to make it work. That goes for both the school and for this guy.
And I really doubt anyone got offended over pizza. Seriously, pizza?
110-
All I can say is, if you only knew this guy...
110: Nice try, DAVE!
110 = a moron.
Jesus killed bearded Jews.
I don't understand half the words in this comment section. Everyone - please speak Amurican.
Someone needs to drop their matzo balls on this guy's forehead.
Oy vey!
This school won't exist in 5 years if Obama's assault on religion succeeds.
113 - would you wear a burka if you went to an Islamic country? didn't think so. Life is about making compromises - I suggest you learn how.
I'm not saying the guy is totally blameless - a little empathy would have gone a long way here. But this is really not a big deal.
-110
This is how the holocaust started. Shame on you Mr. 50K....Shame on you!! Never Again!
ha, kosher is such a crock of sh*t. I love the idiots who blindly follow that tradition. like, honestly, what the f*ck is wrong with these people? whenever i see somebody who eats kosher i automatically assume that they r retarded.
113/110- indeed life is about making compromises. If the only law school I got into was Cardozo, I'd eat the crap they serve me. And if the only law school I got into made me wear a burka, I'd wear one or find a new profession.
Cardozo can decide it wants to follow certain religious rules, if you want to tell them they're stupid, that's fine. But don't pretend that they're not following their own religious rules properly.
I thought kosher means "punch me in the face".
122-
110 is Dave Johnston. Don't fall into his trap.
I love how this guy complaints that he was misled by Cardozo brochures with respect to kashrut, and says nothing about the fraudulently-presented employment statistics.
SERIOUS COMMENT ALERT!!!
While this guy's stunt is an overreaction, there really is a problem at Cardozo concerning the use of school money on food. I understand that all food purchased with school money must be strictly kosher, but it's a racket too. Pizzas, okay. However they also MADE us buy cans of soda from the overpriced pizza places for like $4 each instead of just buying them at the supermarket for less. (This is normal soda, which is kosher no matter where you buy it.) It's really a bullshit racket the vendors have going and the school plays along.
What a sad man, sure to be a leading member of the victimology movement. No one was forcing him to buy non-kosher food (he can simply walk out of Cardozo's front door and go anywhere he wants), and no one was ever keeping him from bringing non-kosher food in. But no, he had to make a statement. Lovely.
94- jews are especially peaceful when they drop white phosphorus on palestinians.
Hitler was a very very bad man.
According to Jewish law, a Jew can give non-kosher food to a non-Jew so long as there is no benefit (monetary.) If I accidentally purchase pork rinds, I can give them to a non-Jew to eat, no problem.
However, it is a huge Jewish legal problem if the school's purchase of non-kosher food is eaten by Jews- regardless of what they consider themselves, their personal practice- if their mother is Jewish, an observant Jew or organization cannot cause them to sin, such as eating nonkosher food. Plain and simple.
Yeah, 128, but that's war. Nothing peaceful about it, even when carried out by essentially peaceful people trying to survive in their itty-bitty state in the Mideast. White phosphorus, cluster bombs, napalm, IEDs, they all suck. So when you find a way to stop the warring between the Jews and the Arabs, please, let us all know.
I suspect the reason they don't allow non-kosher food at group events, isn't becuase of kosher laws themselves (i.e. they are not scared of making a room not kosher) but because of the fear that if non-kosher food was allowed in by groups, kosher events would become rare. In other words, the Orthodox Jews at the school would go from being able to eat at all group events (with the current small exceptions) to almost none. Given the student makeup, history and affiliations of the school, perhaps one can see why that might be considered to be inappropriate.
61, your point would be correct if Cardozo did not hold itself out as a secular institution.
45 takes the cake on this post.
While I see the student's point, ultimately, Cardozo is a private institution. They can make their own rules. Their connection with Yeshiva is very well known, and this kosher policy, frankly, doesn't surprise me at all.
Kosher laws are complicated, and observance and strictness varies from individual to individual. To allow non-kosher food in the caf' in itself is giving a lot - many kosher restaurants don't allow outside food at all in their establishments.
Additionally - you get 50K and use it to piss on the school teaching you your profession. Good idea. How about saving it? or charity? or tuition? Smart.
Kosher laws are complicated, and observance and strictness varies from individual to individual. To allow non-kosher food in the caf' in itself is giving a lot - many kosher restaurants don't allow outside food at all in their establishments.
Additionally - you get 50K and use it to piss on the school teaching you your profession. Good idea. How about saving it? or charity? or tuition? Smart.
I tricked one of my orthodox friends into eating a slice of pizza after I picked all the pepperoni off. Ahahahahaa!!!
98 - Romans killed Jesus.
Well, one thing is for certain, this kid is a trust fund baby who has his mommy and daddy pay his 40k+ tuition.
Final results: 76% believe this guy is a douche; 13% believe he is a civil libertarian on par with MLK; and David Letterman would pay the guy's tuition if he were a chick.
So the guy goes out and buys nonkosher food, brings it into Cardozo, and there is no problem? And the point is what?
Hey Dave, I go to Dozo with you and I always thought you were a loser. This confirms my suspicion.
This blog no law no more, just crap, just gay. David, you getting too gay.
-Mom
The guy says he's going to use his 50K winnings to fight Cardozo's food policy. First, what kind of douche thinks about spending winnings for that? Second, all the guy does is throw a pizza party. It's not like he brought a legal action to change things. So much for "changing" the food policy. Third, what a waste of money. A non-Kosher pizza party forced on a kosher law school where you've got all that left over pizza??? There's starving children in India for Chrissakes.
This would never happen at Florida Coastal.
What a douche bag...
137 - Not an avairah, no mens rea
All this coming from a guy who managed to take home a total of five percent (5%) of the total prize on Who Want to be a Millionaire...
"SERIOUS COMMENT ALERT!!!
While this guy's stunt is an overreaction, there really is a problem at Cardozo concerning the use of school money on food. I understand that all food purchased with school money must be strictly kosher, but it's a racket too. Pizzas, okay. However they also MADE us buy cans of soda from the overpriced pizza places for like $4 each instead of just buying them at the supermarket for less. (This is normal soda, which is kosher no matter where you buy it.) It's really a bullshit racket the vendors have going and the school plays along."
CUNY I went to for undergrad did the same thing (no kosher issue but you had to buy everything including way overpriced sodas from them). It's a dirty little secret - the schools charge fees for student activities dole them out to student groups and then take them right back in the way they can spend the money.
FWIW this guy is a total douche. It seems noone was stopping him all along from throwing himself a party (pretty lame) he just couldn't advertise it as a school function (and as a result sending emails to his 2 friends left him with loads of extra pizza).
This guy is just severely miffed that he was left out of the Jewish conspiracy to control the banks, courts, electorate and price of oil. After being left out of the conspiracy he was forced to go to law school, Cardozo no less.
To 149:
You do not have to buy the sodas from the pizza store. In fact, the Office of Student Events recommends you buy them elsewhere (for example, a supermarket) and then get reimbursed from the school. You are not misinformed.
-Orthodox Jew Who Once Ran a Cardozo Student Club
The curious issue is that, as far as I have heard, Yeshiva's Einstein med school does not have the same Kosher policies. Can anyone confirm this?
Also, Cardozo himself was rather secular. So why keep the policy?
There are only two situations while at Cardozo where this policy is an issue -- if you run a student group having an event or if you are paralyzed from the neck down and are unable to leave the building to buy food from anywhere outside the front door. I ran two student groups and it was never a big deal -- this is NYC and there are enough good kosher places to get catering from. This guy is just being a douche for the sake of being a douche. I do a lot of recruiting for my firm and always push to give Dozo students an opportunity... I hope this dickwad's name comes across my desk someday.
The guy who delivered the pizzas graduated in '07. Count him as employed.
do cardozo students complain more than other law students or do they just complain exclusively to this website? from what i can tell about cardozo from its coverage on this website, this guy sounds like the average cardozo student. they have all been wronged by cardozo: because i'm female and wasn't elected editor in chief of the law review, because i want to reschedule my final exams instead of tell my law firm that i'm a law student with final exams, because i want pepperoni on my pizza, because i can't get a job.
Does this guy deserve a Nobel Peace Prize for his holy crusades?
This guy is a PUNK. The DOZO is KOSHER! I'm agnostic and don't believe in any religious BS...but he should show a little respect. Cardozo is the Law School of YESHIVA UNIVERSITY...one of the finest Jewish educational institutions in the world. IF HE DOES NOT LIKE IT, THEN HE CAN TAKE HIS TRIAF LOVING YOU KNOW WHAT and apply to one of the thousands of non-kosher law schools in the US. That's right, this roast pork loving agnostic Jew has no patience for this cry baby...and he better save that money he won because the only thing you can do with a degree from Cardozo these days is David Letterman.
Dude there are restaurants within a block of the school. Get over yourself. Law firms will see that you find a complicated solution to an easy-to-fix problem and see that you are a total douchebag.
thank jesus christ i live in texas where jews are about as common as mongolians.
Hey, 159, I thank Jesus that you live in Texas, too, where I've never been and don't want to go.
18 + 89 = two dumbest comments I've seen on ATL in a long time. The Ray's on 6th and 11th is the original. Everybody knows that, except you two idiots.
Someone needs to be reasonable here, so I guess its going to be me. The fact that Special Events decided to call a fucking deans meeting just because this guy wanted to plan a party with the Korean group (which apparently gets to serve pork sometimes) is beyond ridiculous. If Cardozo doesn't want to serve certain food that's fine, but its childish that they bent over backwards to this degree just to deprive him of the satisfaction.
15 may be on to something . . his/her allegation is consistent with Cardozo's obsessive behavior in this case.
130- there are some foods that Jewish law forbids doing business in. It can be complicated.
152- Einstein is all kosher. And Cardozo himself was pretty traditional.
The orthodox jews should just stick to what they're good at and what's most delicious to them: sucking the blood out of the circumcision wound from infant baby males.
yum.
I am sorry I missed the delicious pizza and sorry I bothered to read most of the comments here. Dave you are the best!
166-
lulz@yourlife
I'm really not surprised that this Dave Johnston fellow is whining about not getting "sausage" on his pizza as its common knowledge around Cardozo that he is a flaming homosexual. Accordingly, he surely knows that Cardozo, although part of a religious university, still funds OUTLAW events all of the time. This is despite the fact that this organization of filthy degenerates goes against everything every religion stands for. So stop complaining about your stupid pizza fudgepacker and get therapy for your unnatural deviancy!
153 - which firm - there are hundreds of good 'dozo grads that are looking.
168 - way to embarrass yourself.
151, I also ran a student group at Cardozo. We had to buy our sodas from the pizza place. Maybe they changed the rules at some point (I don't know when you were there and vice versa).
-126
148 sums it up.
I knew Dave before he went to law school. Let me tell you: his asshole douche qualities developed way before he ever decided to attend TTT car-bozo.
I wonder if this fool also throws a temper tantrum about classes being cancelled on Jewish holidays (all holidays, mind you, not just the High Holy Days). I'm guessing he's managed to make his peace with Cardozo's religious-based policies that benefit him.
To 126:
This policy has always been around to my knowledge. The school cannot go around buying soda from a supermarket as it becomes too complicated. But if you go out and buy it yourself, i.e. coke, pepsi, etc., then the Cardozo SBA reimburses you. I ran a student club two years ago and just spoke to someone currently running a club. The policy has not been changed.
I am sorry for not commenting sooner and it looks like I shall be the last comment.
I took a property class with Dave Johnston during my 1L year. He was the one who argued that racism should be legal. I forget what the context was, but the professor had to cut him off because a black woman, good friend of mine, was about to blow her gasket at him. He is not a very respectable person and is much despised.
Firstly, the guy only won $50,000 on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire, so how smart can he be? If he took the time to understand why it is that the Cardozo administration does not allow kosher food and spent less time being ignorant and not respecting a fundamental Jewish law maybe he would learn a thing or two. Unfortunately, it sounds like we will be getting another lawyer with less than average intelligence. We could sure use more of them!
Wow. 168 is fairly disgusting.
Oh, and for what it's worth, jews aren't shifty eyed. We're just catching all the good deals the rest you don't see.
That, and we're scanning for predators.
"argued that racism should be legal"
Racism *is* legal, and lots of very reasonable, and non-racist, people argue that private racial discrimination (which is what I think you meant) should be as well.
Oddly, that would contradict Johnston's whole little snit here. Maybe he's just a general shit-disturber (what we call trolls on the internet).
Seriously!? you couldn't think of something better to do with your money (i.e pay student loans - and if your rich enough not to need them them your just a deuche for trying to fight the policy)?!
I secretly put pork and shellfish on all the pizza
To 179:
You are partially correct as I was indeed referring to private racial discrimination in the property context. I said: " I took a property class with Dave Johnston during my 1L year." Racism is illegal in those contexts, i.e. a person cannot refuse to rent an apartment to a family just because they are black (I am just not sure if it was that topic). In response to your argument that nonracists make an argument as well, the arguments he was making were very racist and disgusting.
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What a piece of of shite this self-loathing Yid is. I mean to go against a kosher policy at a Jewish affiliated school. Hey Johnston freakin convert to catholicism you a-hole. On Rosh Hashanah it's written and on Yom Kippur it's sealed. Good luck getting a job at any Jewish firm you moron.
useful posts: 73, 126, 130
I am a very secular Jew but I enjoyed the hebrew school feel of the Dozo. I will probably never eat Kosher pizza again but if I do, I will think of it along with fondness for my time at CLS.
That said, I work at another school now and pizza parties are much more delicious now. I am also painfully aware that student groups have no money. There must be an alternative solution to provide prepackaged goods like soda at less than $4 per can. That seems like a more legit grievance.
TL;DR: the school won't even let you buy KOSHER food from vendors outside the one, which is bullshit since there is great kosher food (including pizza) that you can get relatively easily for less cost. Nobody at the school likes the pizza, and most of them (even the jackasses sniping in this thread) would agree that the requirements as they stand are too restrictive in terms of cost and food choice.
get a grip Dave