2d.

Young Jeezy says: Stop Snitching

jesus...BLS is a TTT. First they try to stop transfers from transfering by blacklisting them, and now this.

Off with their hands!

"The total cost of attendance at Brooklyn Law for the 2009-2010 academic year, for full-time students not living their parents (God forbid), is a shade over $66,000. Shouldn’t that buy BLS’s silence?"

I thought Elie wrote this sentence...I guess Elie is up to Lat's standards.

"The total cost of attendance at Brooklyn Law for the 2009-2010 academic year, for full-time students not living their parents (God forbid), is a shade over $66,000."

What about students who are living their parents??

6 - There is nothing wrong with that sentence. Sorry if you are challenged by sentences with parenthetical prepositional phrases.

8 = Elie.

Go ahead and snitch. It would be hypocritical of BLS to preach an honor code and the tenants of professional responsibility if they turned a blind eye to illegal downloading.

66 thousand dollars. Per year. For three years. BLS students, you'd better pray for some Tito-style inflation.

oh 8, you're so charming

8 - "not living their parents"?

I think you read "with" into their.

Go ahead and snitch. It would be hypocritical of BLS to preach an honor code and the tenets of professional responsibility if they turned a blind eye to illegal downloading.

-10

omg that was so elie of me.

10, It would also be hypocritical for a BLS representative to utter the word "honor" while ruining the lives of hundreds of twenty-somethings per year.

15 = BLS 2L at 98th percentile

hahahahaha

Given that I have $250,000 in debt and no job, I just can't give a flying fuck about tools informing on tools in law school. Everyone knows that law schools are chock full of douchebags, assholes, and mega gunners who would run over their mothers to get an A in class.

16 - I was referring to the threat of ratting their students out, not the cost of attendance. But yeah, 66k is a shitton of money.

- 15

13 - The typo was corrected by the time I saw it.

- 8

The copyright act specifically provides for aiding and abetting liability of third parties that provide the network or other electronic means over which illegal downloading is accomplished. Therefore, BLS is simply taking a proactive approach to avoid being sued. Actually, I just made that up, but it might be true.

The copyright act specifically provides for aiding and abetting liability of third parties that provide the network or other electronic means over which illegal downloading is accomplished. Therefore, BLS is simply taking a proactive approach to avoid being sued. Actually, I just made that up, but it might be true.

3 - Snitches get stitches.

I'm not trying to be a fucking asshole here, but I have never heard of Brooklyn Law School.

what did BLS do to transfers?

Why is the "CIO" allowed to communicate with the law students? Shouldn't there be someone who matters in between the support staff and the law students?

but if you had a reasonable expectation that BLS would not divulge your name without a subpoena when you downloaded the copyrighted pornographic material, and then BLS did not meet these expectations, is there some, i don't know, restatement section that might give rise to a cause of action?

18 - Right on!

I suppose I should know the answer to this, but is Brooklyn Law School even accredited by the American Bar Association and a member of the Association of American Law Schools?

From the research I've done on this topic, I believe that the media ownership companies (Viacom, Universal, etc) are going to begin to sue schools where illegal downloading is rampant under some sort of vicarious/ contributory theory (that doesn't really exist in the law). Although it probably won't stand up in court, you're looking at Universal with its billions of dollars vs. Schlub State University who can barely afford to keep toilet paper in the bathrooms. I think the fear of being buried in legal costs is what prompted Brooklyn Law to be proactive rather than reactive.

Actually, the DMCA provides a safe harbor provision for ISPs. Few if any undergrad institutions actively search for illegal material on the network, but I don't think there's anything wrong with a law school doing it. If students want their warez that bad, they can download them at home. Just remember to disable your torrent program when you come to school.

Seriously?!? This is even a debate? The students broke the law. If the school knows who the students are, they ought to tell the proper authorities.

Is it really that hard to understand that a law school would take steps to ENFORCE THE LAW?

This is common sense folks. Just because you don't like the law does not make it optional.

Time for this TTT to hire a new ISP, IMHO.

(acronym abuse)

Seriously, I would never pay a service provider to threaten me!

If my insurance agent said "I saw you driving around without a seatbelt, which is illegal, so if you don't stop I'm gonna tell your carrier and they'll bump up your premiums" I would say "fuck off asshole, I'm in the market for a new insurance agent!"

This is pretty shitty. They are not just informing, they are investigating and informing.

And no warning to students? I'm sure that the student(s) who are doing the downloading (and who are paying buttloads of $$ to BLS) would have appreciated a warning when BLS first got the notices or otherwise in time to stop.

BLS has been going down the tubes ever since they lost their ABA accreditation.

32

You are not an attorney. Your logic is patently flawed.

It IS hard to believe that a law school would take affirmative steps to enforce the law because (duh) law schools are not members of the executive branch.

There is no legal reason why a law school would help to enforce laws against its students. In fact, a law school should do just the opposite and protect those students rights in the face of such a threat.

> And no warning to students? I'm sure that the student(s) who are doing the downloading (and who are paying buttloads of $$ to BLS) would have appreciated a warning when BLS first got the notices or otherwise in time to stop.

WTF? Should women have to warn men that they'll prosecute for rape? Or should banks be required to warn that they'll call the police if you try to hold them up?

Your poll is misleading. Law schools don't have to help enforce the law in order to obey it. In fact, a law school could try and protect its students from being sued while obeying the law. That's kind of what lawyers do.

31... I think BLS, or any school, would have a stone cold defense under the DMCA, but that wouldn't stop the big media owners from suing. Also, if I recall, the safe harbor is removed once the ISP is notified of the illegal activity. At my law school, they simply revoked the wireless privileges of the student. I went to undergrad during the first heyday of Napster so this was before the media owners figured out who to sue and how.
In any event, they could conjure up some "should have known" standard to percolate up the layers of appeals, all the while draining the school of precious resources paid to lolyers.

The notion that BLS's half-assed IT department could carry this off is laughable.

(31 here)

39 - While you were an undergrad, I was in charge of network security policy and incident response for a Research-1 university.

So long as the universities uphold their responsibilities under the safe harbor (e.g., take down infringing content), the content owners cannot come after them. End of story.

Am I the only one who doesn't know what TTT means?

"Once we have names of the individuals involved, we intend to give them to the copyright holders for enforcement purposes."

Give what? The names or the individuals involved so they can rot in a dungeon somewhere? Talk about enforcement!

English as a third language.

Why, in this day and age, would anyone download a movie from an internet connection that could be traced back to them?

Did BLS really lose their ABA accreditation? If so, when?

PEOPLE - THIS IS A JOKE!!! "Brooklyn Law School" is the fictional school in "My cousin Vinny"...geez - get a grip... There is no accredited "Brooklyn" law school...

42 - Yes

Maybe the students would have some sort of cause of action against the school under the good samaritan prosecution statutes?

Really guys? BLS is an ABA-accredited, top-100 law school.

http://www.brooklaw.edu/

Really guys? BLS is an ABA-accredited, top-100 law school.

http://www.brooklaw.edu/

Why, in this day and age, would any law school give up their students to face financial penalties. My god, this reduces the amount of potential pools of cash that the schools can steal from their kids.

46 = Fail. BLS is a real school. While it may not be accredited by the ABA, it is accredited by the NY State Bar Association. Therefore, students can still sit for the NY bar exam. This does not affect most BLS students, who typically stay in NY anyway.

"Shouldn't that buy silence" about an illegal activity? Sounds like ATL is now written by people who flunked the MPRE. Well, if you can't be a real attorney because of the character requirement, you can still play pretend on the internet.

Try again 52. You'll find it under "B"...

http://www.abanet.org/legaled/approvedlawschools/alpha.html

This story explains why BLS is TTT. Their students are so dumb they do not throw up a VPN connection that states your ISP is located somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Morons.

55 - Law schools generally require you to log in to receive an IP address.

Must really suck to be a student at BLS.

First, they lose their ABA accreditation, and now this?

This is pretty harsh. Way back when I was in law school in the NY area (a whole three years ago) I received notice from the school's IT that I was accused of downloading Sopranos episodes. I didn't do it, but I guess the wireless router that I had kept open was being used. I would have been incensed if I had been ratted out over a misunderstanding.

56- I am aware of that. Once you log in and acquire your IP address, you then subsequently connect to a VPN which masks your information. I am dumbing down this explaination a bit but basically what happens is BLS sees that your registered IP is connecting to a specific server but they have no idea what you are doing ON that server. The OIT for BLS is looking for your IP to be connecting to certain things (Bit torrent, Torrent sites, that kind of thing) they see only 1 thing your is IP doing, connecting to a server. Since they do not control that server they can not access what happens from there. That server is the one which is then (remotly) connecting to the torrent stuff, downloading, and then streaming it back to you. BLS would have no idea what you are doing and can't NARC on you.

54 - you fail. It lost its accreditation 6 months ago - webpage update 12 months ago.

Look, I illegally download all sorts of things - at home. I'm wise enough to realize that I shouldn't use an internet connection at my school to download stuff.

If I have to check anything that needs a secure line, I use the free program RealVNC to VPN through an SSH tunnel to my home PC (it astounds me how many people check their bank accounts on the completely unencrypted wireless network at my law school!).

Note to ANYONE who VPNs using freeware - unless you are tunneling, your shit is generally as open to hackers as if they were looking over your shoulder while you type. If you don't know what SSH tunneling is, learn it and set it up. (There are also program for purchase that do this, and as many of you know many employers have such programs, which are encrypted). DO NO CHECK YOUR BANK ACCOUNTS FROM THE STARBUCKS INTERNET CONNECTION.

So to 55 - you can VPN to a remote computer, and use IT to download from, and the school IP address won't show up anywhere, because the IP address of the remote computer is the one downloading. Then, if you REALLY wanted to, you can SFTP through your tunnel to your computer, and there will be no evidence that you transferred copyrighted material over the school network. But I suspect only 7% of the population has the inclination or the know-how to do this.

BOTTOM LINE - yes, its bogus the school rats out its students, but as has been said, you are really stupid if you are downloading using school resources. When the feds come a-knocking, the school won't be on the law-breaker's side.

I am amazed that a 1L class at BLS even exists, given the way the school's employment-data fraud has been widely and publicly exposed on jdunderground.com, etc.

At $66k--when a basic Internet search would lead you to evidence that spending this much to attend this school is insane--why would any rational person (not on a significant scholarship) attend BLS, much less after not ranking in the top 25% after the 1st semester? This puzzle alone makes me suspicious of any BLS student's competency, or argument about Internet usage or anything else.

42 - TTT seems to mean "Third Tier Toilet," a pejorative term thrown around by people from "elite" schools to give them solace in the notion that despite their unemployment, at least they can comfort themselves with their prestigious degree and STILL be a dick to others. Because isn't life all about minimizing other's accomplishments to inflate one's ego?

The day we can't make fun of someone for not going to Harvard is the day the American dream dies.

Looks like there will be less applicants for Brooklyn Law School next year. A school that mercilessly rats out on its own students without first resorting to internal procedures has little care about the well-being of students and education. BLS should have internally given a warning to students first.

It wouldn't be such a big deal if they just changed the policy going forward and informed on future pirates.

61,

You appear to be smarter than the average bear when it comes to technology... so you should know better than to get paranoid over horseshit like accessing your bank account over public wifi.

Any bank worth its salt employs at the very least 128 bit SSL encryption. If there happens to be a hacker sniffing the wifi at the local starbucks, and he somehow happens to have the kind of computing power it takes to guess 2^128 combinations of keys within his human lifetime (much less the amount of time it takes for me to drink my coffee and confirm I have $500 to my name) than he deserves to have my bank account information, because that kind of computing power doesn't exist and sure as hell wouldn't fit in a Starbucks.

Brooklyn Law is ABA accredited, and ranked #60(ish).

http://www.brooklaw.edu/terms/accreditation.php

68, did you happen to see what is at the bottom of the page you provided a link to?

"This page last modified on: December 10, 2004. "

69: i did. That does not mean that they lost accreditation, but that there status has not changed.

Do you have a link that supports your allegation that they lost it? Clearly, that would be somewhere. While, obviously, I don't believe you, I would be interested to hear otherwise.

63 FTW!

Why should students be allowed to use a law school's internet to illegally download anything? Why is this even a question? I think quite a few law schools monitor this activity and most I have heard will contact you to inform you that you need to cut it out. It might seem mean to go ahead and turn someone in, but whatever - you're breaking the law and you're a law student. Why should the school allow you to use their internet to do it?

Maybe a "nicer" step would be to deny internet access to the student, but is that really practical?

That said, who the hell is paying that much to go to any law school - first-tier, third-tier or otherwise?

Maybe they are trying to make it appear that only the students are downloading, when, in fact (I don't know if it's true or not) their own staff and/or professors have been downloading.

73 again. Lat (or, rather, Ellie) has misread the memo. It's addressed to all users, not just students. It doesn't say who has been downloading. Nor does it say that BLS will provide the names; only that it INTENDS to do so.

BLS is a TERRIBLE school. what a TTT. It makes Fordham and Cardozo look like Harvard. Shit i think NYLS is bbetttttter than BLS. what a TOILET. peepee and poopoo in that toilet ugh its terrible.

Couple of points...

Brooklyn has NOT lost its accreditation. It is ABA accredited and is ranked around 60th, depending on who you ask.

Over the 2+ years I have been a student there, the BLS student body has been REPEATEDLY warned about illegal downloading. The administration has been threatening this particular action all year so I'm not really sure why everyone is acting so damn surprised.

Finally, BLS has a top notch faculty and lot of the grads go on to have very successful careers here in NYC and elsewhere so all the kids out there at Flyoverstate U School of Law can stop talking shit about my school and go ahead and get back to preparing for your spectacular career defending small business owners in personal injury cases.

-BLS 3L

I remember my first day at BLS in 2003- Dean Wexler , almost immediately after saying "welcome," told us that BLS would rat out any students caught downloading music. Very warm welcome.

Now, I really don't give a fuck about BLS ratting out the wanna be lawland snakes. But the thing that blew me away is: The total cost of attendance at Brooklyn Law for the 2009-2010 academic year, for full-time students not living with their parents (God forbid), is a shade over $66,000. . That's around $198K for 3 years. Now I know that they built all those la di da dorms and get a much more national group of lemmings. But Jesus. 66K per or $198K for a worthless piece of shit JD from BLS. That is fucking obsene. I truly hope that those lemmings that go there are of hooked nose or wealthy and connected WASPS or one of the other members of one of the Preferred, Protected and or Connected classes. Because, if they are not members of a PPC, then they are truly fucked beyond anything even we can comprehend. Especially now. Jesus god.

$66K a year for BLS? Fuck that makes the other non-accredited school, Hastings College of Law I believe, seem like a bargain at $50K per year. Does the Dean at BLS at least have the decency of performing a reach around after the student gets fucked?

I absolutely hate it when people post comments with the following template:

"I suppose I should know the answer to this, but is [Brooklyn Law School] even accredited by the American Bar Association and a member of the Association of American Law Schools?" (Comment 29).

PPL use this template as if it's a potent insult to the school. I'm not a fan of BLS, but if you don't know its credentials, then you don't have the authority to make disparaging comments about it.

76 - I love your parroting "top notch faculty" and "successful careers". Sorry you are getting butt-rammed at a toilet that TTToilet that lost acrediTTTation. Oh, nevermind - I'm sure when Sullivan and Cromwell looks for the best and brightest they think of the spectacular tradition of My Cousin Vinny's alma mater...
Good luck finding even a doc review rat-infested basement job. I think you should resign yourself to your real station in life and accept that you are an academic failure and now a walking financial time-bomb. Now get off the computer before your toilet school reports you!

Ok. I don't know what happened to my last post but BLS 3L, if you are not a member of a Preferred, Protected and or seriously Connected class there is a 90% chance that, you, with BLS JD in hand, will be doomed to a life of perpetual debt and indentured toiletude. One used to see plenty of BLS grads in toilet law or on doc review. Nowadays they have been displaced by biglaw castaways and nigerians. Your BLS JD will be a lead albatross or anchor that will hold you down for life. Unless a PPC member you are doomed fool. And in this day and age of the internet with and all the mainstream media coverage of the law scam, you and all the other lemmings in schools like BLS have no excuse. You go a TT or TTT school..as in Tier Two Toilet.
Here's what they are saying about fools like you on the internet:

Author: nyc2009
Time: October 28, 2009 - 5:28 pm

Well, I wouldn't want anyone stupid enough to pay 66K a year to go to BLS. So, what the hell sue 'em. But if I were one of these students I would download with reckless abandon. Why in the hell would any of these judgment proof students care if they get sued or not? I would be a lot less worried about the judgment creditor who will be ass out after your bankruptcy and a lot more worried about those non-dischargeable student loans that will haunt you for the rest of your life.

but i guess these TTT lemmings still have visions of big law dancing in their heads. hahahhahahahahahahaha
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Author: johndoeee
Time: October 28, 2009 - 5:32 pm

Along with getting sued, come graduation, C&F will not be happy that someone was caught "stealing". In other words, you are now a thief and that will not reflect well when you are seeking a license to practice law.

They should drop now. But they are probably too stupid to realize any of this. Otherwise, they would not have enrolled in a toilet like BLS in the first place.
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Author: richard_roma
Time: October 28, 2009 - 5:57 pm

BLS is just the absolute worst toilet. What is really scary is that they get students decent credentials to go there. Some of these kids are pretty smart and got into better schools but got suckered in by the scholarships.

Clearly, just too many rudderless people going to law school. Isn't there any other option? Ridiculous.
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Author: OhioDocReviewer
Time: October 28, 2009 - 6:27 pm

do you think joan king was medussa in a prior life?

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When you gaze upon her hellish visage, all the money in your bank account disappears, and your career prospects turn to crap.
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BLS 3L: I hope your mommy or daddy have law firms or serious connections thereof.

$66K per year....Ob friggin seen!

There is no need to berate the non-peer legal institution of Brooklyn Law School. In my four plus decades in this profession, I have met many bright practitioners that have either attended or dropped out from this school. In fact, I met one earlier this evening at Rick's Cabaret. I don't know her real name, although she goes by the stage name of "Lexi Caans." I am grateful Brooklyn Law School's tuition is exorbitant. The pricetag has forced some of its alumni to become resourceful and enter alternative careers (e.g., cupcakes on a truck, pole dancing, etc.) rather than toil away in an empty career as a contract attorney.

Sent from Partner Emeritus' HTC Imagio™

76, your information is out of date. BLS lost its ABA accreditation when you would have been a 1L (assuming you didn't take a leave of absence between class years or anything). Luckily, it doesn't impact you, because you're basically grandfathered in. However, those who are now 2L's at BLS will be unable to sit for the bar exam in most states.

And to you, Emir Partnerius, I shall see you again in Paradise.

76, please do not feed the trolls. Feeding Above the Law trolls violates the BLS Terms of Service.

Dear 81,

Since you used Sullivan & Cromwell as an example, I'll take your bait. BLS has 17 attorneys there, nearly doubling Fordham's presence, and crushing its supposed competitor, Cardozo, and its zero - yes, zero - lawyers there.

http://www.sullcrom.com/ataglance/?view=schools

Sure, Columbia and NYU fare better than BLS, but that is to be expected. The only other schools to have more than BLS's 17 are Stanford, Univ. of Chicago, Harvard, Penn, UVA, and Yale. I'll take that any day.

Looks like a BLS student put a video up on youtube ranting about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D39Lm_HRfOs

It does not cost $66k to attend BLS. Tuition is $44k. If you want the luxury of living in Brooklyn Heights or the surrounding area, then you'll have to pay the estimated $12k for housing. If you don't, then you can live somewhere else for much less. During 1L, I paid for the student housing and it was a bargain considering I used to pay $1400/month sharing an unfurnished 1 bedroom in the financial district. Now I pay $600/month for rent with a 30 minute commute door to door. The $5500 estimated living expenses sounds a bit high too.

PE,

What is your opinion of the HTC Droid Eris?

This comment is addressed to post no. 90.

I haven't tried the Android platform. At the firm we use blackberries (BB Bold) but for personal use I went with the HTC Imagio. Given that I don't use the "push email" option on the Imagio, my battery life is very healthy. I tried the HTC Touch Pro 2, however, I am not fond of "slider" phones. I would recommend the Imagio. It has the benefits of an Iphone without the stigma of being a toy phone. And yes, no self-respecting attorney that I know carries an Iphone.

Idiots (particularly 81), BLS is an accredited law school. It took about 10 seconds to confirm: http://www.abanet.org/legaled/approvedlawschools/alpha.html.
No, it's not Harvard or Yale, but I'm guessing most of the posters didn't go to top 10 laws schools considering the major inferiority complexes that are being showcased here. Also, while tuition is 44k, a majority of student get scholarships. So basically a BLS grad going to Skadden or Cravath or S&C (of which there are several this year) is likely to come out of law school say 45K in debt, as opposed to 150K if they had gone to Fordham or NYU or Columbia.

92 is a liar. His link doesn't even work! 92, at least make up plausible lies. BLS was accredited at one time, but lost it approximately two years ago. This was big news, but has largely been overshadowed by the broader economic collapse in NYC.

Why hasn't BLS updated their website's terms page for 5 years?

Hey these cats put BLS (with a shoutout to Queens/CUNY Law) on the map by becoming successful in the early '90s. As a matter of fact, Peter went to Columbia University and ascended to BLS. Props to BLS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4WWDprtFMM&feature=fvw

As a 3L at Columbia who summered at 2 different V10 NYC firms, I can tell you that BLS is very well represented.

At one of my firms, they had the same number of summer associates as Fordham and came in behind Harvard, CLS, NYU, and Duke. At another, most of the rainmakers and the coolest associates were from BLS.

BLS might not be the best option for a lot of people but for quite a number of people, it is a great deal.

And from talking to associates and other summer associates, very few people pay sticker price at schools like BLS or Cardozo.

Oh my god -- these comments are hilarious!

I don't who to laugh at more: the trolls, or the people who fall for it?

Sadly, the kids at BLS must not be the brightest, to actually defend this crap and waste their time. Wake up -- they are baiting you idiots.

Next, of course it doesn't cost $66K. It costs the same as every other school. But add COL, and duh, most schools cost around $66K.

Oh, and BLS administrators -- how dumb do you feel for opening this can of worms? Admittedly, you probably sent this letter just to warn future students, but was it worth having your institution get bashed yet again?

96 here again,

On the other hand, NYU is a totally different story...

As a mid-ranking partner at a V10 firm, I can tell you that Brooklyn Academy of Law is thought of as the Emory law of NY - overpriced and overinflated with poor employment prospects on the back end. But some of the chicks at BLS are hotter.

Cardozo is more or less thought of as Cardozo the Clown College.

99 (Douchie), no response to 87 taking away any credibility you had? Time to retire the shtick buddy.

Brooklyn is Manhattan's Toilet and Brooklyn Law School is Columbia, New York University, and hell even New York Law School's Toilet.

100 - the problem is that they don't distinguish between doc review droids and real associates. Hell, according to that link Rutgers has as many people at Sullivan. And we all know that Rutgers is on par with the anal fissure of BLS.
Now retire your redolent scat, loser. I make more money in one hour by accident than you will make in an entire year on purpose.
Peace.

Partner Emeritus:
As a partner in my V10 firm, I know many respected attorneys who carry iPhones. In fact almost 50 out of the V100 firms are employing test programs. And the iPhone is about to overtake the BB marketshare any day now.

101 - toilets actually have to be certified when they are manufactured as to be of some standard quality and worthiness.
I think Brooklyn Academy of Law is more or less the actual turd in a toilet.

Sorry to sound naive - but seriously - Isn't Brooklyn Law School like Cardozo - where people go when they can't get into New York Law School? That's what I heard - am I correct?

I think they are supposed to be reaccredited in the Spring - that's what my advisor told me anyway, so at least it will once again be recognized in New York State - at least provisionally - until they fix the problems from the site visit this summer...

And for everyone's info- one of the reasons they had their accreditation yanked is because of their sad IT system that is stretched to the max with people using BitTorrent - so rather than upgrading their IT infrastructure, they just are threatening their students. It's the only way they can get their accreditation back quickly, and they don't have to expend money that will take away from the Dean's 900k salary and benefits.

Unfortunately, Brooklyn Law School is kind of like Scientology- it is a pyramid scheme that preys on the ill-informed and gullible.

105 FTW

I walked by Brooklyn Law School one day and I think the dean was singing a song outside the building. I couldn't figure out the name of the song, so I employed my "Shazam" application on my Iphone and it determined that he was singing the Steve Miller Band's "Take the Money and Run." In light of his $900K salary, I now get it.

anyone who believes BLS is not accredited is an idiot. PLEASE stop feeding the trolls that are saying it's not.

107: the dean is a woman.

109 - I just looked up your Dean. You lose either way - from her looks, it is a man. But if it is a woman, all the more reason BLS is a real toilet.

108 - there is a slight suspension of accreditation due to IT issues - I'm sure it will get provisional certification back by the Spring.

How will the BLS kids be able to download their porn and decompress as they settle into their lives as toileteers? Why is BLS acting inhumanely?

From the New York Times,
FOR THE WIN!!!

The Brooklyn Law School dean was denied tenure at NY University School of Law and was able to become dean because of the support of the prior dean, Judge David Trager. This is relevant because it should be a factor in dermining what the dean salary should be in light of her experience.

http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/02/another-view-lock-the-law-school-doors/

I don't know why anybody would want to bother with an iPhone professionally.

-- Butthead 3L with an iPhone who won't use it for work stuff next year

This would never happen at Florida Coastal.

Videos from TTT schools that prove why they are Shitlaw. Even the ones that are supposed to be funny are so awful. These students have intellectual abilities subservient to a Special Olympics competitor, and for the most part, their physical features resemble that of obese simians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvM9zI538xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-dQoMFqtso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL8_y6J8tQY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg6QDVgTF3E
(I love how at 5:12 the girl says if the law school thing doesn't work out she has a backup plan)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-893uPq5PU

Isn't Florida Coastal the "Harvard of Jacksonville"?

It really doesn't matter whether or not BLS is accredited or not. (It is by the way).....

The fact is that for 90-95% of its recent or soon to be grads, a JD from BLS is pretty much worthless regardless of the fact that some BLS grad, of hooked nose, who graduated back in the 1960's or perhaps 70's or 80's, is working biglaw at places like Sullivan & Clown Shop. For most, chances are, that that BLS toilet paper JD will lead to a life of debt, under or unemployment or perhaps a life of indentured toilethood suffering at the hands of some wicked, hooked beaked snake shitlaw partner.

In today's world, there really is no excuse for any non PPC fool to pay $40K -$66K per year to go to a garbage school where the faculty, for the most part, could give two shits about 90 to 95% of their students. It matters not if the student lemming chose to live in Brooklyn heights in the new BLS dorm (god, who could suffer the obnoxious douchebag students at home after class as well as in class?) or out in a hood like Bed Stuy or East NY. $44K to $66K is simply an obsene price to pay to wicked and vile people for the honor of providing a useless degree.

For most, their really is no justifcation for it. Might as well just slit your wrists. How fucking stupid can one be if the they are not members of a Preferred, Protected and or seriously Connected class.

89 - 600/mo? You must share a studio in East New York with someone. And 5500 is not excessive for an entire year of food, clothing, travel (to home and back), and a teensy bit of entertainment.

Snitches get stitches.

So on the one hand, you've got insecure BLS students reacting to trolls.

And on the other hand, you've got insecure asswipes taking cheap shots at BLS students.

Either way, the BLS administration brought this upon themselves with this threatening letter (and, really, that's all it is -- a threat, in order to prevent future illegal downloads).

At least they serve all types of pizza, don't charge for cups and utensils (do they?), etc...

The BLS grads are lucky -- since the majority aren't going to be included in the Biglaw race (doc review or due diligence), they can go out and learn to fend for themselves and become great lawyers. Sure, they won't start at 160 (if that even continues to be the baseline), they won't have crazy fun summer associate jobs (I hear those aren't that much fun anymore), they won't have the best clerkships, or teaching opportunities, but in the end, they'll be better lawyers. And hopefully happier for it.

- Biglaw BLS grad who did a ton of doc review while friends were practicing law in courtrooms

What happened to Joan King?

Copyright is copywrong Bob. Music is meant to be played, not sold.

Fuck the RIAA.

122, excellent point. Most BLS grads are well-positioned to become contract attorney specialists. Don't they offer a 3L elective in Concourse?

As a 2001 Brooklyn Law graduate, I really take umbrage at the snarky comment re: living at home during law school. Tuition may have skyrocketed since my graduation, but I turned down much higher ranked schools outside NYC to attend and would repeat my decision if given the choice. I like my law firm job and earn a very comfortable income.

lived with my parents for 3 years in Queens and easily saved myself upwards of $40-50K in living expenses. I came out with minimal student loan debt ($60K) and that includes undergrad debt at SUNY.

I don't get why people here knock living at home - if that option is available to you, then TAKE IT!! Its amazing how much freedom you have when you aren't shackled to your job just to pay down loans..

the irony of BLS attempting to masquerade as this great pillar of moral good is thick. um what about:

1. the admin's conscious decision to withhold all PT data from USNWR without ever informing USNWR that this data had not been included? in other words, in a system that required both FT and PT data, BLS admin had no problem surreptitiously submitting FT only. yeah, that's professional.

2. BLS's well-chronicled tampering (Joan King) with its employment data to attract unsuspecting 0Ls to its absurdly over-priced program. Sure, luring 22 y/os into 200k (of life altering) debt with bogus data is a fine and upstanding example of moral righteousness.

moves like this make me think that the school WANTS to be a punchline. a strong moral arbiter assisting in the punishment of its own for illegal downloads. um yeah, that's funny. start presenting accurate admin (and admit, for that matter) data - maybe then the rest of the law school community might be able to take the BLS program and its grads seriously (don't hold your breath).

Brooklyn Law School just isn't the same school it was back in the early 1980s (When it was Tier 1). After it lost accreditation in 1991, the administration has done a lot of things like this.
Thankfully, BLS shelled out to hire Dean Wexler with hopes that she can regain accreditation by 2012, but bad PR from this informing fiasco sure isn't going to help...

BLS has NOT lost its ABA accreditation. Why would someone create such a foolishly false rumor like that? BLS is ranked in the Top 100 and considered a solid law school to attend right after NYU/Columbia/Fordham...

NYC law school rankings (for those ignoramuses on these comment threads) are
1. NYU/Columbia
2. Fordham
3. BLS/Cardozo
4. SJU/Hofstra
5. NYLS/Pace/Touro/CUNY Queens

128: as a BLS graduate, I can attest that Bklyn Law was never in Tier 1. It was always in the 2nd tier. (schools ranked 50 -100).. It has never lost ABA accreditation either, where does this crap come from?!!

Jeez, I think the seven BLS kids who have jobs came out for this thread. This is why Dozo is T1 and Brooklyn pure TTT.

-Cardozo 2L secure

FYI, BLS is listed with the ABA, and it's been accredited since 1937.

http://www.abanet.org/legaled/approvedlawschools/alpha.html

129, you have Cardozo/Brooklyn backwards. Dozo is now solidly first tier, while Brooklyn continues its decline

In all fairness to the partner emeritus, no BLS grad ever started a mobile cupcake business. That was NYLS grad Lev Ekster.

BLS kids on the whole get better jobs than NYLS grads, but worse jobs than Fordham, NYU and Columbia, about the same as Cardozo. Seems like a second tier school; second tier titties?

131: pot calling the kettle black? if Cardozo were discussed on here, you would do the same so STFU.

That's just it 135: Cardozo would never be discussed here. It is solidly ahead of BLS by 13 spots in the US News and will unlikely give up its lead anytime soon. Have fun reviewing documents in the basement!

-Cardozo 2L Secure

Arguing about which is better, Cardozo Clown College or Brooklyn Academy of Law is pointless. It is like arguing whether it is better to blow Abe Vigoda or Elie Mystal.

136: Wow, you live in fantasy land don't you? Like 13 spots is a big difference? Get over yourself. Come graduation time you just wait and see how many of your classmates will be doing doc review right with you!! And FWIW, I've never done doc review.

138: Trolling is a art

136

Successful troll is successful; gullible BLS student is gullible

As a BLS alum, it is news to me that BLS has lost its ABA accreditation. Thank you for pointing this out. As the hiring partner for my practice group (litigation), I always look for bright BLS graduates and make an effort to hire them over CLS/NYU graduates.

My firm, however, cannot afford to hire the graduates of a non-accredited school. In light of this news we will cease all hiring of BLS graduates.

You are all losers.

seekerreason001@gmail.com

Joan King lied, graduates with life crushing non-dischargeable debt cried.

All these BLS students on here doing the ostrich routine about accreditation are hilarious. It is no secret that the loss of ABA (BUT NOT New York State Bar Association!) accreditation was in part the result of 1) BLS's well-chronicled tampering (Joan King) with its employment data to attract unsuspecting 0Ls to its pricey program (a $900K salary doesn't generate itself), and 2) the administration's decision to withhold all PT data from USNWR without ever informing USNWR that this data had not been included. Substandard academics were of course also a factor.

I attended the Brooklyn Academy of Law, not BLS, and I've never looked back. Not only is the Academy more prestigious then BLS, but it also allows you to pay your tuition in linguine fra diavolo.

Mangia!

136/139 - Tell me about it.

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131 / 133 / 136 - Think what you want. Cardozo has been going down the tubes ever since they lost their ABA accreditation.

147 - keep on trooooooooollin -131/136/139

As a BLS alum, I gotta say...you idiots need to stop responding to the "BLS is not accredited" trolling. You look like assholes.

Second...BLS is a schizophrenic place - Great professors for the most part, and a smart student body, but a shitty administration, coming from the very top. They nickle-and-dime you every step of the way, and it ends up leaving a bad taste in your mouth.

147 - Cardozo? They've on the verge of being raided/shut down by the Feds ever since the Post discovered that they were really a diploma mill pretending to be a correspondence school.

150 - I think you mean "Cardoza." Your using an antiquated spelling

[BLS] Update on illegal downloads e-mail notice
bls-announce-bounces@brooklaw.edu [bls-announce-bounces@brooklaw.edu] on behalf of Phil Allred
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:08 PM
To:
bls-announce@brooklaw.edu; allusers@brooklaw.edu

Yesterday, I sent out an e-mail regarding the recent spate of abuse notices we have received from our Internet service provider. Under our contract, users are prohibited from downloading copyrighted works. If we knowingly allow such activity to continue without taking action, we risk losing access to the Internet. When we can ascertain the people who are responsible for alleged illegal downloads, we will notify them to cease such activity. We will comply with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Outside of the legal process, we are not obligated to turn over the names of the alleged infringers to copyright holders and will not do so.

@66...

http://www.shawnhogan.com/2006/08/how-to-crack-128-bit-wireless-networks.html

Can't wait for the New York State Bar Passage Rates this year. There are two or three schools in New York that are teetering on financial meltdown. this might be the spark to light the fuse.

Hello everybody, I've never posted here before but my roommate showed me the article/comments and thought I'd give an informed opinion. BLS is amazing. I went there for 1L and was top 15% and I've now transferred to Georgetown. I have nothing bad to say about BLS. It's in an incredible area of NYC = essentially another neighborhood of Manhattan (less douchy). It has professors that are extraordinarily qualified (the president of the ACLU wrote my LOR) and a bright student body. The only reason that I went there was that I scored 10 points below what I was originally testing at on the LSAT back in 2004, hanged-on to my score for several years (back when you couldn't really take it twice), and then decided that I just had to put that score to good use. A lot of people there are in the same situation or have huge scholarships. The school is NOT overpriced. It is NOT $66k per year. It's the same as every other private school and it's in the middle of NYC. However, since it's in NYC the students are typically LOADED. Probably, hence the rumors. It's considered TTT, which means TOP TEIR trash and not THIRD teir trash, because, historically, it is Jewish. I am from DC and not used to that culture. They celebrate every Jewish holiday (which was awesome) and I've never seen so many yamulkas in my life (sorry for spelling). They are VERY accredited, comparable to American U in DC (which is third banana, yet quite respectable) In the middle of the century when law schools and big firms were all buddy-buddy and discriminatory, they would not hire the Jews from BLS. BLS grads went on to form their own law firms in areas of the law that were not popular at the time, like Tax, etc. They now own a lot of NYC. I had NO problem getting interviews from large firms in NYC. They are known as a "local" school, which is why people on here from shitty southern and mid-western cities say they haven't heard of it. However, unlike other local schools, their locality is motherfucking New York fucking City, which is the biggest legal market in the world. So yes, firms do hire there. The school and its alumni are well-respected in the city. The only reason that I left was that I am from DC and have a long-term girlfriend here (also, granted, the legal market is fucked right now and it certainly doesn't hurt to move-up in the bullshit rankings). I have nothing bad to say about the school. I still visit my friends there; I miss the area and some really amazing and attentive professors. That being said, I fucking hate GULC. These kids are uber-nerds. Everyone is fat, ugly, nerdy, and competitive. Typical future lawyers at a non-TTT. Hope this helps.

Hello everybody, I've never posted here before but my roommate showed me the article/comments and thought I'd give an informed opinion. BLS is amazing. I went there for 1L and was top 15% and I've now transferred to Georgetown. I have nothing bad to say about BLS. It's in an incredible area of NYC = essentially another neighborhood of Manhattan (less douchy). It has professors that are extraordinarily qualified (the president of the ACLU wrote my LOR) and a bright student body. The only reason that I went there was that I scored 10 points below what I was originally testing at on the LSAT back in 2004, hanged-on to my score for several years (back when you couldn't really take it twice), and then decided that I just had to put that score to good use. A lot of people there are in the same situation or have huge scholarships. The school is NOT overpriced. It is NOT $66k per year. It's the same as every other private school and it's in the middle of NYC. However, since it's in NYC the students are typically LOADED. Probably, hence the rumors. It's considered TTT, which means TOP TEIR trash and not THIRD teir trash, because, historically, it is Jewish. I am from DC and not used to that culture. They celebrate every Jewish holiday (which was awesome) and I've never seen so many yamulkas in my life (sorry for spelling). They are VERY accredited, comparable to American U in DC (which is third banana, yet quite respectable) In the middle of the century when law schools and big firms were all buddy-buddy and discriminatory, they would not hire the Jews from BLS. BLS grads went on to form their own law firms in areas of the law that were not popular at the time, like Tax, etc. They now own a lot of NYC. I had NO problem getting interviews from large firms in NYC. They are known as a "local" school, which is why people on here from shitty southern and mid-western cities say they haven't heard of it. However, unlike other local schools, their locality is motherfucking New York fucking City, which is the biggest legal market in the world. So yes, firms do hire there. The school and its alumni are well-respected in the city. The only reason that I left was that I am from DC and have a long-term girlfriend here (also, granted, the legal market is fucked right now and it certainly doesn't hurt to move-up in the bullshit rankings). I have nothing bad to say about the school. I still visit my friends there; I miss the area and some really amazing and attentive professors. That being said, I fucking hate GULC. These kids are uber-nerds. Everyone is fat, ugly, nerdy, and competitive. Typical future lawyers at a non-TTT. Hope this helps.

153,

Sigh. Posting links that you don't understand just makes you look like an idiot.

Wireless encryption is completely different than the SSL Public Key encryption used to secure bank and shopping sites. Moreover, the WEP wireless encryption allegedly "hacked" in your article is known to have significant security flaws.

In other words, everything I said is still true. Feel free to use your bank sites from Starbucks.