Kash, want to play naked Wii tennis later?

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Welcome back, Kash! We've missed you.

Question for legal folks: why is obama having his lawyers fight these requests for his birth certificate? What would happen if he just ignored these lawsuits? Seems like a waste of resources to fight all these suits.

Am I surprised that she did not attend a preeminent peer law school? No.

I suppose that I should know the answer to this question, but is Taft Law School accredited by the American Bar Association? Does anyone know whether the school is a member of the Association of American Law Schools?

6, Taft Law School is a distance law school not eligible for ABA accreditation. However, it is accredited by the State Bar of California, so rising 2L's take the 'baby bar' and are then eligible to keep studying if they pass; upon graduation, they can sit for the CA bar exam and may be able to eventually get into other jurisdictions by reciprocity.

Elie Mystal was born in Kenya!
Elie Mystal was born in Kenya!

Baba boeey!

Where's the birth certificate?

Barack Obama married Patrick Ewing. Someone should investigate that.

Ortiz

What a piece of shit lawyer. Throw her in jail for contempt of court, and then disbar her. She also looks quite manly in that photo.

Obama's country of birth would have been a much bigger issue in the election if John McCain hadn't been born in the Panama Canal zone.

Soooo disbarred

Fail for not including this in the post:

http://www.flashpointsocialmedia.com/Area51/Orion/Images/o_rly.jpg

Am I the only one who thinks she looks like Judith Light who played Elizabeth Donnelly on Law and Order SVU?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d5/Elizabeth_Donnelly_-_SVU.png/350px-Elizabeth_Donnelly_-_SVU.png

Where's Taitz's birth certificate? No AMERICAN would name their child Orly!

No 4. You are confused. In this case it appears as though Attorney Taitz filed a lawsuit on behalf of Dr. Connie Rhodes without Rhodes consent. Taitz should be disbarred if that is true. You are wrong to think that Obama and "his lawyers" are involved. Its not that complicated, if you read the post with a little care. Do some homework and you will find that that birthers are all full of cr**.

14 - Hilarious. I almost spat up my coffee all over my keyboard.

Wait, did she pass the MPRE? I seem to remember something in there about having to: 1) retain a client, and 2) abide by the client's wishes. I'm going to thorougly enjoy her stint in a middle GA prison for contempt.

Maybe, but you are definitely the only one who never saw Who's the Boss.

Ellie: You racist pig, I love how in your live blog of the Thompson Bloomberg debate you glossed over the fact that in the lightning round Thompson said he thought PEDRO ESPADA is a better majority leader then Joe Bruno. That comment was at least worth mentioning. You have zero credibility on reporting anything.

Suck my ass, Mystal, you obese race bating Walrus!

Did she also attend an off shore TTT medical school because it looks like s/he gave herself a sex change operation?

top comment currently at orlytaitz.com:

"Nice job Orly! Anyone can see you are not a nut when you are allowed to talk. We are with you all the way. You are relentless! God bless you Orly Taitz!"

what a ringing endorsement.

16 - She was born in Moldova. I think that's not even a country, so she should prove it with her birth certificate.

Also, she was on Daily Show or Colbert Report (can't remember which).....and is grade A bat-shit insane

O RLY?

Her response to the judge’s order, in which she makes the allegations of bias against Land, is “breathtaking in its arrogance and borders on delusional. She expresses no contrition or regret regarding her misconduct.”

And how is this different from your average FTT BigLaw lawyer hack who enables illegal corporate activity? See Enron, Merrill Lynch, AIG. Only self-dealt legal immunity is keeping enablers from being imprisoned.

As for Taitz, my applause to Judge Land, one of the few judges with a pair. (Gold medal goes to Denny Chin, who started a much-needed revolution against the executive criminal cult.) The anti-intellectual, flagrantly insipid, cut-and-paste birther job has gone on long enough. It's high time that courts began taking judicial notice that the "legal position" of the birthers is patently ludicrous and believed only by people two taxonomic degrees above a turnip.

We can have a Kenyan President but not a Moldovian lawyer :/

Meh. Colbert already destroyed that piece of taint stain months ago:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/229691/july-28-2009/womb-raiders---orly-taitz

Kash!!!

A little bit of overkill with the Dr.....Esq...as it was said in the Hangover "You're not a doctor, your a dentist"

Palin/Taitz ticket for 2012!

@6/7 - Can we please permanently ban the accreditation troll, especially when the post already made clear that Taft is an online TTT? This crap stopped being funny after the first time. Epic fail.

“You are wrong to think that Obama and "his lawyers" are involved.”

I don’t know about this specific case, but govt attorneys (DOJ, maybe) have been filing responses and appearing in court for many of these birther lawsuits. My question is, what is the point. Seems like a waste of time to try to prevent the release of a document which obama has already released.

10 is a piece of sh*t. Go Michelle!

Kash, what is your favorite sexual position?

31 awesomely commingled the correct and incorrect spelling of the conjunction "you're" in the SAME SENTENCE!!

Pain/Taint ticket for 2012

Kash, darling, you deserve a FAIL for not linking to the order itself, a copy of which is available here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/20996403/Gov-uscourts-gamd-77605-28-0

The most priceless bits are left out of the media stories, including, among others, the judge's response to Ms. Taitz's comparison of herself to Thurgood Marshall, and his direction to the Clerk requiring it to send a copy of the order to the CA State Bar. It is a given that the full text of the order calls into doubt Ms. Taitz's sanity and her fitness to practice law. That is a story more interesting than the $20K smackdown.

This proves the liberal bias of lawyers and activist judges.

What's wrong with being born in a canyon?

4 0 - you got that right. Liberal lawyers and activist judges are just plain biased against attorneys who file meritless law suits that the purported client didn't even know about.

I'm guessing that O'Reilly, Rushbaugh, Hannity & certainly Laura Ingraham (who graduated from a peer law school and clerked for a peer Justice) are too smart to acknowledge this woman exists, but Mark Levin, who seems to be dumber than dirt, might give a rant on her behalf.

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David, you must be too heavily sedated. Either that or you really ARE losing your mind. Nigel

40, wasn't land a Bush appointee?

I dont want socialism in my country. when my grandfather was in wwii fighting oppressions he did not lay down his live for bigger government. Is it to much to ask that the president produce a official document confirming that he is legaly born?

Poke

7: Incorrecto. Kalifornia has no bar reciprocity with any other states. None.

Is Kash the gay Phillipino one?

43 FTW

#46,

I want that to be a joke. Because if so, it's hilarious.

48 - That's a good point. If she's only licensed in CA, how the hell did she get to appear in GA? Even in federal court, wouldn't she have to had filed a sworn pro hac vice application? If so, and she lied on that about being retained, isn't that perjury also???

46: He did. You're welcome.

Oh, Oily Taintz. You're just too beautiful for this world.

46, when your grandfather returned from WWII, one of the greatest expansions of the federal government in U.S. history was set in motion: the G.I. Bill, Servicemen's Readjustment Act of 1944, P.L. 78-346, 58 Stat. 284m. It effectively created the U.S. middle class by educating those vets, getting them affordable homes and getting them employed.

That wasn't socialism by the way, it was investing in America.

Oh, they said he was born *Kenyan*! Pardon me.

48: The judge waived the local counsel rule because of the claimed exigence of the matter. She's eligible to appear pro hac.

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Stupid, Taintz

No he was part of Greatest Generation and they got that way by working hard. Not everything was handed to him on silver platters. But Obama wants communism and handouts for everyone. this is not from our founding fathers. Have you even looked at the pledge of alegiance lately? it says - one nation under *God* not one nation under big goverment.

(55 here again)

Oh, and no amount of proof will convince you wingnuts that Obama is the rightly-elected POTUS because his very existence exposes the lie of American ethnic homogeneity and supremacy.

That is, the cooler he is under pressure, the more you and people who think like you appear unhinged (birthers?, teabaggers? Faux New?). The smarter he is, the more uneducated champions of your way of thinking appear (Limbaugh?, Palin?, Beck?). The family values that he and his family live and embody QUIETLY every day expose the "family values party" (Senators Ensign and Craig, Congressman Vitter, et al) as nothing more than a bunch of loud-mouthed hypocrites.

This is what you get when you have an ABA that is unwilling or unable to support the profession by putting even a minimum gauge filter on entry into the practice of law.

This is the future of the profession:
---a flood of minimally capable hacks with on-line degrees, with no stake in the profession, jamming up the legal market and inflicting grave hackery on the courts and clients.
---outsourced brief drafting, due diligence, and research, while US lawyers squib admiralty cases for quimbly for $7/hour, if they are lucky
---a profession even more shamed for its inabilty to deal with malicious, incompetent members

Even bricklayers and pipe-fitters have professional organizations that keep out rank hacks and protect the role of their members in the marketplace.

I like dresses.

59, read this.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/july-dec00/gibill_7-4.html

I'll extract a quote touting the impact of the G.I. Bill -- a huge government handout -- below:

"DORIS KEARNS GOODWIN: Oh, no question. I agree with everything Steve said, including the passion with which he said it. I think few laws have had so much effect on so many people. It meant that blue collar workers, a whole generation of blue collar workers were enabled to go to college, become doctors, lawyers, and engineers, and that their children would grow up in a middle class family. It meant, as Stephen said, that people had homes, instead of being renters in the city, so that they could bring up their children in a home that they had owned."

Seems to me that the G.I. Bill had the exact impact that I originally said it did. (See post 55). Do you have any evidence to the contrary, besides your ideological belief that "No he was part of Greatest Generation and they got that way by working hard. Not everything was handed to him on silver platters. But Obama wants communism and handouts for everyone[?]"

Hey 46, sorry to learn your that your grand father "laid down his live" in WWII. He must have been a young father, which makes it particularly tragic. But I'm sure he would be proud of you for invoking his name and memory to further the birther cause.

Epic fail, 61. Taitz went to a non-ABA school. If you want to blame somebody, blame the State Bar of California for letting people from non-accredited schools practice law.

After reading the order, I bet the reason the court gave Dr. Esquie such leeway in hearing her case promptly (during an extended lunch even!) is because they knew they were in for a good larf.

Apparently she is a terrible dentist too:

"Before her national news exposure, Taitz had previously been personally involved in 22 lawsuits in Orange County civil court.[15] Most of the cases involved "accusations of dental and medical malpractice" and breach of contract suits.[15]"

(source: Wikipedia)

65, well-taken. However, I think the question remains as to why do lawyers not have a professional organization capable of addressing its members' place in the market. The fact that California can fling trash into the profession at its choice, without any other standard or credential being imposed by the profession itself, underlines the point.

Just because a thread like this needs a little common sense.

Is there a really good reason why Obama did not just shut this whole thing down by releasing an actual birth certificate rather than the generic one that doesn't prove anything?

Is there some kind of moral principle that he is upholding? I can certainly agree with the concept of hiring lots of lawyers at 4 figure per hour salaries. Nothing wrong with that at all. No sirree.

But, curiously, why not just release an actual birth certificate that lists his birth the U.S., rather than the generic.

I always get curious when I see people taking a thousand mile detour rather than just walking across the road.

Just because a thread like this needs a little common sense.

Is there a really good reason why Obama did not just shut this whole thing down by releasing an actual birth certificate rather than the generic one that doesn't prove anything?

Is there some kind of moral principle that he is upholding? I can certainly agree with the concept of hiring lots of lawyers at 4 figure per hour salaries. Nothing wrong with that at all. No sirree.

But, curiously, why not just release an actual birth certificate that lists his birth the U.S., rather than the generic.

I always get curious when I see people taking a thousand mile detour rather than just walking across the road.

I just threw up a little in my mouth. Thanks a lot, 32.

Is Orly talking loco?

Oh christ, 69. He released what Hawaii provides, the document has been authenticated, many times, by the State of Hawaii, and the entire line of BS about their being some more real other version of the certificate has been debunked over and over again.

Even hard right wing outlets like the National Review have declared your position complete batshit. If you honestly believe there is some issue here you have joined the people stockpiling canned beans for 2012 and looking out the window for black helicopters.

@ 55/60 - Please don't feed the troll.

@70 - It may very well be lost. I have no idea where my own (original) is, and I'm only 40. Particularly given that his mother was something of a hippie and didn't stay in one place very long.

The order is an enjoyable read. It is very well written.

71, be careful, don't choke on the vomit.

Thanks for posting the Colbert report video, that was pretty enlightening.

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/a-clockwork-orange/stewart-daily-show-taitz-birth/

59. Have you looked at the history of the Pledge of Allegiance. First off, the Pledge was not created until 1892, and the "under God" bit was not added until 1954. So how is that proof of the founding father's intentions. It's called fact checking, maybe you should do it.

Don't Taitz me, bro!

You know what really murders me? The fact that this See You Next Tuesday passed the CA bar and I didn't (my first time anyway). If news is bad on Nov. 20 time to swallow the business end of a shotgun.

55 -- Please clarify. By "investing in America," do you mean that the U.S. government forced certain people to hand over hard-earned money to the government so the government could then hand it over to certain other people? That sounds a lot like legalized theft. Perhaps you could use some Atlas Shrugged in your life? Please also advise on the success of other government "investments" in the American middle class.

These birthers are like the folks who refuse to believe the income tax is lawful.

They eventually end up in front of a judge, who throws the book at them, but what a waste of resources.

to 69 and the other birthers who are commenting:

ORLY and the rest of the bat shit eaters are embarassing the GOP. The GOP is the party that would like the birthers to crawl back under the rock.

Obama is doing nothing because the birthers aren't hurting him, they are only hurting the GOP.

Craziest birther rant -- where a constituent makes a visibly uncomfortable GOP Congressman recite the pledge of allegiance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V1nmn2zRMc

I nominate 80 for the win.

69,

That argument's pretty nonsensical.

First, Hawaii has already produced a certified copy of Obama's birth certificate (which under state statute is legally valid for all purposes, and under the same statute it is actually illegal to produce more information).

Second, this suit (and several others) were filed against the US government. If you file a suit on behalf of a US soldier alleging that she's not required to follow orders because the orders are illegal, a few government attorneys are GOING to appear. There's certainly some administrative expense involved, but having the USAG and or JAG and or OWHC respond to a suit is a far cry from "four figure private attorneys."

Third, even if you do expect that the judge would probably dismiss most of these suits sua sponte, why risk it? Even if some jackass files a completely frivolous suit against you, you still have your lawyers appear and file that 12(b)(6) motion.

“Third, even if you do expect that the judge would probably dismiss most of these suits sua sponte, why risk it?”

Risk what exactly? Having to produce his birth certificate?

David Saint Hubbins SUCKS

please tell me 88 is kidding. Please?

Maybe if we implanted microchips in children at birth, Logan's Run style, we wouldn't need birth certificates.

We may need to be born in the Panama canal zone though...

I was not aware that Lady GaGa had a side gig as a civil rights lawyer.

88,

The suits rarely just ask him to produce his birth certificate. Frankly I'm not even sure how one could possibly file a suit just asking for that.

The Rhodes suit was an Army officer asking the court to stay her deployment orders.

The lightfoot suit was asking to stay the certification of California's election returns.

I'm not even sure what Keyes suit against the California secretary of state was.

Even if you were to just file some sort of declaratory action, why would Obama leave it up to a default judgment and potentially risk some district court judge taking her ridiculous pleadings at face value and issuing some sort of default judgment.

Correction: Orly filed the action and request for TRO on behalf of Captain Rhodes as her client. It was after Judge Land dismissed the action and denied the TRO (with warning about sanctions for further meritless filings), and with Capt. Rhodes thus being shipped out to Iraq, that Orly filed a Motion for Reconsideration without Captain Rhodes' knowledge or approval. Rhodes then alleged in a letter to the judge that she found out about the motion on the news, did not wish to have the Judge's ruling further challenged and would be making a complaint to the California State Bar about her incompetent and unprofessional lawyer.

For lawyers with even a little litigation experience, Orly's behavior, incompetence and arrogance is stunning and makes a virtual certainty of her eventually being forced to pay very substantial sanctions, as well as being disbarred. It would be difficult to better characterize her actions than Judge Land did so ably in his sanctions order.

What truly floors me, however, is Orly's cavalier and frivolous attempts to interfere with military orders as a ruse by which to get her birth certificate nonsense and her face in the news. If there are treasonous actions in any of this, those meritless claims certainly reign at the top. Am I the only one who wants my tax dollars back that were wasted in judicial, justice department and military costs by this woman, the only one who wants this woman to stop interfering with this country's military?

Disbarment cannot come soon enough, though I fear that won't stop her from filing actions with similarly thin political claims on her own behalf. She needs to be declared a vexatious litigant and required to post a substantial bond from here forward.

No. 16

My granddaughter is named Orli--which is Hebrew for "Our Light." Your anti-Semitic remark is noted.

what is the cheerleading coach from "glee" doing practicing law in georgia?

What an ugly drag queen!

My thought for the birthers: Obama wasn't born, he was hatched. Cogitate on the constuitutional ramnifications and post.

I am a conservative Republican, and don't care for the President or his policies, but these birthers are just too much... The Hawaii Secty of State produced a birth ceriticate; what else is needed? DNA analysis to prove that the President isn't a changeling or was switched at birth?

Welcome back, Kash... ass lobster comments, in 3, 2, 1...
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95 - Lighten up, I don't think that 16 was an anti-Semitic troll so much as xenophobic troll. Either way, please don't feed the trolls.

Not nearly enough owls in this comment section:

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http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd251/TohruHonda19/o-rly.gif

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And of course

http://uwguild.koabd.com/e107_images/avatars/Buttsecks_bird.jpg

Very few people have their original birth certificate, given to their parents in the hospital room. Any time you need a copy, you get a certified copy from your state generated from digital records.
That IS your birth certificate!
Hawaii destroyed all paper records years ago after recording all the data. Do you suppose Obama's people paid them to do that, like, when he was at Harvard?

@87 -

"First, Hawaii has already produced a certified copy of Obama's birth certificate (which under state statute is legally valid for all purposes, and under the same statute it is actually illegal to produce more information). "

Actually, Hawaii produced a "Certification of Live Birth." This document certifies that there is a birth certificate ("long form" or "vault copy") on file with the State, but it is not the same as the birth certificate.

It is actually illegal to produce more information? Read the statute. More information may not be produced without Obama's permission except in certain cases (enumerated in the statute). Exceptions aside, it would be legal to release the long-form birth certificate with Obama's permission. Why doesn't he give that permission?

The problem is that Hawaii statute allowed a birth certificate to be issued to people born out of the state. Without the long-form birth certificate (which lists information including the name of the attending physician), one cannot be sure that a person--legitimately a citizen--was born in the country.

For the record...I think Obama is a natural-born citizen and that Orly is a nutjob. But I do think the birthers are right to ask the questions.

Having clicked on Orly's website, I think the funniest thing I saw was the comment from the President and CEO of some software company out in Marin Country that listed his full name, full title, and company, completely defending Orly The Nut.

How does an idiot of this magnitude land a CEO gig?

What if the people behind the birther movement are actually KGB plants sent in to stir up shit and weaken America by casting doubt on the legitimacy of President Obama by playing the old divide and conquer game?. These people know human strengths and weaknesses and one of those weakness is the sheep-like behavior and paranoid psychological tendencies of political extreme conservatives everywhere.

Guys at my high school used to touch girls' orly taitz all the time. It was no big deal.

Well, Wikipedia says she emigrated to the U.S. from Israel when she married an American. Do we know for sure that she herself is a U.S. citizen?

It seems that her long record of lies and professional incompetence have (so far) only resulted in civil suits against her.

And what I'd really like to know is: What would she have to do to get her green card or naturalization revoked?

I can think of no better fate for Ms. Taitz than public shame and deportation. I'd really enjoy seeing this unAmerican witch get dragged away, kicking and screaming all the way.