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Virginia Board of Bar Examiners Threatens Retaliatory Action Against Eager Test Takers

Virginia Board of Law Examiners logo.JPGIs there something about living in Virginia that gives people an exaggerated sense of self-importance? First, the Lile Moot Court Board at UVA Law appointed itself the résumé police. Now we’re finding out that the Virginia Board of Bar Examiners is drunk with its own power in anticipation of Friday’s release of the July Bar Exam results. Check out this message on the VBBE website:

As a service to Virginia Bar applicants, the Board of Bar Examiners posts the results from the most recent Bar Examination.

This office is working hard on the July 2009 Bar Examination results. Provided no one calls to inquire about the results, we anticipate the results will be posted Friday, October 16, 2009.

A “service”? Isn’t it their job to post bar results? Since when did doing your job quickly and efficiently become a favor?

Meanwhile, why is VBBE threatening to delay the results for everybody if one person simply inquires about the exam? I imagine it’s annoying to have lots of people call in requesting their scores, but why the threats? Threats, especially really petty ones, are bad. Why is this so hard for people in Virginia to understand?

Here’s my advice to the VBBE: post the scores, don’t answer your phone, and then congratulate yourself with a nice bottle of champagne for successfully operating the scantron machine yet again.

Earlier: UVA 3Ls Threaten to Eat Their Young

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1 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:02 PM

A “service”? Isn’t it their job to post bar results? Since when did doing your job quickly and efficiently become a favor?

This is why we need government running our healthcare

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2 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:03 PM

This would never happen in Texas, where people are still decent and civil towards each other.

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3 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:03 PM

Old story. This has been the message for at least the last 3 years. They don't want morons calling the office asking when the scores will be available.

Sincerely,
Proud Member of the VA Bar.

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4 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:05 PM

What a horrible posTTT. I hope that they don't pay Elie much for this.

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5 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:06 PM

AboveTheLawbster

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6 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:06 PM

wow...must be a slow news day!

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7 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:07 PM

They aren't required to post the names online. They could make you wait for snail mail.

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8 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:09 PM

They pay Elie in sandwiches. You don't think that Lat actually pays him in dollars do you?

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9 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:10 PM

It is incredible that this is considered news worthy. I mean, really, considering the incredible amount of grammatical errors Elie makes, it is remarkable that he has the tarmarity to call out someone else for their choice of words.

Further, as one who laments racism, Elie should think twice before sterotyping the entire Commonwealth of Virginia.

Sincerely,
Another Proud Member of the VA Bar

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10 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:10 PM

For a writing sample on the MBE they make you write that you won't call the office to check your results, or the results will be delayed.

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11 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:11 PM

If you failed, do you get a letter in the mail before names are posted on the website?

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12 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:11 PM

I'm not a bar applicant in VA, but I just called to ask. Take that suckas!

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13 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:12 PM

8 -- Five! Five Dollar! Five Dollar foot loooooonnngg!!!!

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14 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:13 PM

aww come on, i think elie earned his crustless sandwich wedge for this one. they really did say "no one." is there a chance in a million that not a single eager virginia law grad will call?

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15 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:14 PM

What #3 said. It's pretty tongue-in-cheek; when I took the exam (and perhaps in other years), they asked you write similar language as your handwritten honor pledge for the essay day, and laugh as they instructed you to write it. If anyone who has taken the VA bar has been put out by this turn of phrase, I'd really be surprised.

But, I suppose that Elie's job is to generate pageviews on slow news days, and making ATL mountains out of Virginia molehills appears to be his preferred way to do it.

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16 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:16 PM

What #3 and #15 said.

-Signed another VA bar member

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17 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:16 PM

12- you are a jerk

i was going to do that

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18 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:20 PM

FU 12 for stealing my plan

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19 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:22 PM

Roanoke to 190!

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20 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:24 PM

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21 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:25 PM

on the count of three, everyone place a call to the VA Bd. of Bar examiners, regardless of whether you took the exam or not

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22 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:27 PM

This really isn't news. I never like to be too critical, because my blog doesn't have readers at all, but this truly is a boring non story.

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23 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:28 PM

Just tried to call.

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24 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:29 PM

9 -- I think you mean "temerity." Nice job.

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25 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:30 PM

9 -- I think you mean "temerity." Nice job.

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26 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:32 PM

(.)(.)
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27 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:32 PM

If they are like NC at all (where I am at) the pass list is posted on Friday, but the letters went out to applicants (pass or fail) the Friday before. We got our letters the Monday of the week they were posting them online.

Are states actually posting them online before they even mail the letters out?

I don't know why people feel the need to call though, until the expected receipt date has passed with no notice.

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28 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:32 PM

26 FTW

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29 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:33 PM

As a service to Virginia Bar applicants, the Board of Bar Examiners posts the results from the most recent Bar Examination.

who are the shitheads who run these organizations

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30 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:34 PM

They do this literally every year. Not news.

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31 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:35 PM

@29

The folks who couldn't get real law jobs and/or graduate high school

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32 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:39 PM

Hey ASSHOLES: If you are really that disappointed with the stories on ATL, stop reading! Are you all really that stupid that you can not find an alternative "news" source. It's a freaking tabloid you idiots. If you rely on Elie to get your news, that is a major problem.

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33 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:39 PM

Just called again. I didn't take the exam.

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34 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:40 PM

Marshall Dennehey, Norristown to $44 k !

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35 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:40 PM

The results go online the same day that the letters go out (for everyone, pass or fail). So unless you avoid the internet and all of your friends for several days to wait for the mail, you will find out by searching for your name on the online list.

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36 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:40 PM

The results go online the same day that the letters go out (for everyone, pass or fail). So unless you avoid the internet and all of your friends for several days to wait for the mail, you will find out by searching for your name on the online list.

- July '09 VA Bar Taker

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37 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:40 PM

The results go online the same day that the letters go out (for everyone, pass or fail). So unless you avoid the internet and all of your friends for several days to wait for the mail, you will find out by searching for your name on the online list.

- July '09 VA Bar Taker

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38 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:41 PM

The results go online the same day that the letters go out (for everyone, pass or fail). So unless you avoid the internet and all of your friends for several days to wait for the mail, you will find out by searching for your name on the online list.

- July '09 VA Bar Taker

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39 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:41 PM

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40 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:42 PM

24/25 - Back at you.

-9

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41 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:42 PM

This has been the same response for years...may seem crude but it is the way it always was, by the way, has abovethelaw.com confirmed that Elie passed the bar?

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42 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:43 PM

Please tell me that #9 is a lame attempt at irony.

43 Posted by Andrew Dhuey | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:44 PM

I didn't take the VA bar exam, but I'm really tempted to call to ask if I passed.

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44 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:47 PM

No seriously, has the fat fuck Elie passed the bar...he isn't in the NY database...? Why isn't abovethelaw on this? Are you hiring someone that isn't even an attorney?

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45 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:49 PM

They really hammered this point home repeatedly during the bar exam. I bet they haven't received any calls up until today. But thanks to this post, they'll probably be getting bombarded the rest of the week. The power of ATL strikes again.

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46 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:51 PM

Still no news here about Head Birther Orly Taintz's epic bench-slap. Considering the level of "news" posted here today, this should have been the day's major headline.

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47 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:53 PM

I just called to see if they could get me my results from the Texas exam. Turns out they couldn't.

Also, if you call (and you should regardless of the state in which you took your bar exam), you should wear a coat and tie.

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48 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:57 PM

They used that same message 5 years ago when I took the VA Bar.

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49 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:01 PM

The results go online the same day that the letters go out (for everyone, pass or fail). So unless you avoid the internet and all of your friends for several days to wait for the mail, you will find out by searching for your name on the online list.

- July '09 VA Bar Taker

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50 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:02 PM

guys please don't call. I don't want my results delayed. Thanx =)

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51 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:04 PM

@50

What's it matter, not like you have a job or anything

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52 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:10 PM

What is even more ridiculous is that they just post all the names in an open web page - so anyone who knows you took the bar can be the first to tell you that you passed or failed - no login or authentication required.

In some cases I suppose that works out well - my wife was at lunch when the results were posted back in 2005, so I got to call and tell her she passed. Of course, had she failed, I'm sure I would have been "stuck in a meeting" when they got posted...

And no, they do not tell you what time they will appear, so it's just a day of refreshing the same stupid page occasionally.

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53 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:11 PM

50 - If you are that worried about a delay in getting you results you did not pass. So suck it up and start using all that free unemployed time and start studying for the February exam.

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54 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:15 PM

"What is even more ridiculous is that they just post all the names in an open web page - so anyone who knows you took the bar can be the first to tell you that you passed or failed - no login or authentication required."

That is how NY was for years.

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55 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:20 PM

Called, apparently I past the test. Yes, past the test.

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56 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:21 PM

I'm in Massachusetts. But, I'm gonna call. Here's their number: (804) 367-0412

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57 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:21 PM

Not sure about this year, but Virginia used to be a pretty tough exam. Some good students would fail every year. Wasn't that big a deal, they'd almost always pass it the next time. Of course, this year no employer is going to retain a bar-flunker unless he/she is some VIP-type associate.

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58 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:22 PM

No comment from JaKe = not worth reading.

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59 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:24 PM

@ 50.

*hits redial*

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60 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:28 PM

The VBBE posts a similar message every year, or at least every year since I took the Virginia bar. This is a non-story.

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61 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:30 PM

"Is there something about living in Virginia that gives people an aggrandized sense of self importance? "

Yes. Yes, there is.

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62 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:31 PM

@54 - but did the website post go up before the letters were mailed, or after? (Not a member of the bar in NY so not trolling, genuinely curious.)

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63 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:32 PM

The VBBE spelled accuracy wrong. The irony.

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64 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:38 PM

Virginia Board of Bar Examiners: (804) 367-0412

Me: "I just graduated from UVA and took the bar in July. I know you can't tell me whether I passed yet, but can you tell me when the results will be available?"

Cindy at VBBE: "October 16. Don't call again."

Priceless.

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65 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:43 PM

I called the VBBE, too. They told me I failed the exam, although I relied on their promise not to tell me until Friday. If I commit suicide, will my estate have a valid promissory estoppel claim under Restatement 90?

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66 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:47 PM

Remember Virginia is a commonwealth that still requires you to wear a suit when you sit for the bar exam.

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67 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:55 PM

This message has been up since the '90s.

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68 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:00 PM

The VBBE has some pretty wask ass rules, but they try to present them with a degree of humor. It doesn't come across on the web site, but at the actual exam, the Secretary of the Board almost had everyone in stitches with his "don't call" routine.

So yeah. Nonstory.

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69 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:05 PM

Typical civil service douchebags. From their homepage:

In order to give our staff time to perform all of their required duties, our voice telephone lines are open between the hours of 10:00 AM and Noon and 2:00 PM to 4:00 PM daily. At other times (or if all lines are busy during those hours), you will hear a recording. Before telephoning, please see if your question can be answered by the information on this site. We do not have an email address at this time.

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70 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:08 PM

There's nothing more sanctimonious and pathetic than Virginia practitioners who get indignant when you don't refer to Virginia as a 'Commonwealth.'

-VA barred lawyer

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71 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:09 PM

Maryland stated the exact same policy when we sat for the bar (including the ominous implication that results would be delayed if we contacted them); I don't think it's that uncommon.

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72 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:13 PM

how are the phone calls going? they getting pissed yet?

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73 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:13 PM

@68: he had everyone in stitches? You can't be serious. The only thing in stitches were my eyes -- I had to use a stitch to keep them open while he repeated the same damn instructions on both days for an hour in the morning and again for an hour after lunch.

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74 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:21 PM

Elie is just jealous because they have better BBQ in VA than where he lives.


What a fat asshole.

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75 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:45 PM

Ummm, has Elie passed any bar? Why no reports on this?

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76 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:55 PM

I'm not sure, but I think this story might have been posted for the express purpose of getting lots and lots of people to call in hopes that the results would be delayed.

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77 Posted by guest | Permalink Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:41 PM

27: PA sent out the pass letters the same day they posted the results online.

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78 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:32 AM

Elie -- you are awesome. Keep up the good work. Despite your spelling mistakes, you get funnier every day. Thank you, seriously.

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79 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:20 AM

they also misspell accuracy

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80 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:24 AM

Elie,

Your coverage of the UVA thing was embarassingly juvenile. Thr UVA Blog's coverage of it was infinetely more mature, reasoned and useful than yours. Do not refer to it like some journalistic feather in your cap.

That's all.

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81 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:13 AM

Last year VBBE stated the online posting date would be Friday, but released the results Thursday afternoon. So now everyone can start refreshing the results page a day early, just in case!

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82 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:14 AM

I know autistic 4th graders who are better bloggers than Elie MysTTTal.

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83 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:56 AM

57: I took it in July, and it was pretty hard this year. The essays started off a bit soft with an easy-ish estates question, but the late morning and afternoon really reached into the depths of the testable grab-bag. Not to mention, the MBE seemed pretty tough too.

If I find out on Friday that I did not pass, I will not be embarassed, not nearly because it's not an embarassing event, but because I will drown in the toughts of having to study all of those subjects again.

Note to future VA takers: The list of subjects isn't just for show. They do reach into the depth of some of those odd ones. Study them. I did, and I'm still very nervous.

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84 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:58 PM

This just in -- Barack Obamaadmitted to VA bar, although he did not take exam. VBBA called him to tell him the great news.

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85 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:06 PM

HAS ANYONE RECEIVED A LETTER WITH THEIR RESULTS YET?

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86 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:16 PM

Seriously, Elie, you must have eaten your Tardios yesterday morning. First you diss Alston & Bird because you can't read ("our policies are not consistent with what the law allows" does not mean "our policy is illegal" -- what kind of lawyer are you?), and then you demonstrate the same inability to read by taking "provided no one calls" as a threat. How about reading it as less of a threat and more of a warning. You know: "provided we aren't constantly being distracted because we have to answer the phone to answer the same stupid questions over and over and over again, you will have your results on X date. If you distract us by calling all the goddam time, it will probably take longer."

You'd make an excellent plaintiff's attorney. An inability to read anything without putting an inflammatory twist on it.

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87 Posted by guest | Permalink Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:38 PM

85: Nope. I hear they get mailed the same day as the posted results. Not to say I won't check my mailbox first thing when I get home from work tonight.

Stay positive. VA's a tough exam, won't be the end of the world if I have to take it again in Feb.

- 83

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88 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:50 AM

VA Bar exam results may be out a day early - from VA lawyers weekly poseted on the 14th:

"At least the NLJ article is timely for aspiring Virginia lawyers. Street said the board hopes to post the results of the July exam on its Web site tomorrow afternoon."

http://valawyersweekly.com/vlwblog/2009/10/14/virginia-not-likely-to-adopt-national-bar-exam/

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89 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:43 AM

The article says Friday afternoon. Tool.

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90 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:56 AM

I saw that blog article posted on Wednesday, and it definitely said "tomorrow afternoon." The Board must have caught wind that their little slip-up was printed and requested the change to "Friday afternoon."

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91 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:57 AM

it said "tomorrow"

it was edited.

tool.

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92 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:10 AM

This is news? Cripes -- it always says this. Get with it, guys.

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93 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:45 PM

ATL I blame YOUR posting of this lousy story as the reason why the results did not come out today as it has in previous years!!!!

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94 Posted by guest | Permalink Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:01 PM

Results did come out today, but then the site crashed: http://www.vbbe.state.va.us/NewVBBE/bar/barresults.html check this forum for people rejoicing at passing: http://www.jdunderground.com/thread.php?threadId=39079

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95 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, October 16, 2009 12:25 AM

Exactly how many times do people need to point out the fact that this is a non-story? I don't know what's worse... the fact that a non-story was published or the fact that 35 different people felt the need to point out the fact that it was a non-story. Talk about irony.

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96 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, October 16, 2009 12:25 AM

Exactly how many times do people need to point out the fact that this is a non-story? I don't know what's worse... the fact that a non-story was published or the fact that 35 different people felt the need to point out that it was indeed a non-story. Talk about irony.

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97 Posted by guest | Permalink Friday, October 16, 2009 12:26 AM

Exactly how many times do people need to point out the fact that this is a non-story? I don't know what's worse... the fact that a non-story was published or the fact that 35 different people felt the need to point out that it was indeed a non-story. Talk about irony.

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