Virginia Board of Bar Examiners Threatens Retaliatory Action Against Eager Test Takers
Is there something about living in Virginia that gives people an exaggerated sense of self-importance? First, the Lile Moot Court Board at UVA Law appointed itself the résumé police. Now we’re finding out that the Virginia Board of Bar Examiners is drunk with its own power in anticipation of Friday’s release of the July Bar Exam results. Check out this message on the VBBE website:
As a service to Virginia Bar applicants, the Board of Bar Examiners posts the results from the most recent Bar Examination.This office is working hard on the July 2009 Bar Examination results. Provided no one calls to inquire about the results, we anticipate the results will be posted Friday, October 16, 2009.
A “service”? Isn’t it their job to post bar results? Since when did doing your job quickly and efficiently become a favor?
Meanwhile, why is VBBE threatening to delay the results for everybody if one person simply inquires about the exam? I imagine it’s annoying to have lots of people call in requesting their scores, but why the threats? Threats, especially really petty ones, are bad. Why is this so hard for people in Virginia to understand?
Here’s my advice to the VBBE: post the scores, don’t answer your phone, and then congratulate yourself with a nice bottle of champagne for successfully operating the scantron machine yet again.
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A “service”? Isn’t it their job to post bar results? Since when did doing your job quickly and efficiently become a favor?
This is why we need government running our healthcare
This would never happen in Texas, where people are still decent and civil towards each other.
Old story. This has been the message for at least the last 3 years. They don't want morons calling the office asking when the scores will be available.
Sincerely,
Proud Member of the VA Bar.
What a horrible posTTT. I hope that they don't pay Elie much for this.
AboveTheLawbster
wow...must be a slow news day!
They aren't required to post the names online. They could make you wait for snail mail.
They pay Elie in sandwiches. You don't think that Lat actually pays him in dollars do you?
It is incredible that this is considered news worthy. I mean, really, considering the incredible amount of grammatical errors Elie makes, it is remarkable that he has the tarmarity to call out someone else for their choice of words.
Further, as one who laments racism, Elie should think twice before sterotyping the entire Commonwealth of Virginia.
Sincerely,
Another Proud Member of the VA Bar
For a writing sample on the MBE they make you write that you won't call the office to check your results, or the results will be delayed.
If you failed, do you get a letter in the mail before names are posted on the website?
I'm not a bar applicant in VA, but I just called to ask. Take that suckas!
8 -- Five! Five Dollar! Five Dollar foot loooooonnngg!!!!
aww come on, i think elie earned his crustless sandwich wedge for this one. they really did say "no one." is there a chance in a million that not a single eager virginia law grad will call?
What #3 said. It's pretty tongue-in-cheek; when I took the exam (and perhaps in other years), they asked you write similar language as your handwritten honor pledge for the essay day, and laugh as they instructed you to write it. If anyone who has taken the VA bar has been put out by this turn of phrase, I'd really be surprised.
But, I suppose that Elie's job is to generate pageviews on slow news days, and making ATL mountains out of Virginia molehills appears to be his preferred way to do it.
What #3 and #15 said.
-Signed another VA bar member
12- you are a jerk
i was going to do that
FU 12 for stealing my plan
Roanoke to 190!
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on the count of three, everyone place a call to the VA Bd. of Bar examiners, regardless of whether you took the exam or not
This really isn't news. I never like to be too critical, because my blog doesn't have readers at all, but this truly is a boring non story.
Just tried to call.
9 -- I think you mean "temerity." Nice job.
9 -- I think you mean "temerity." Nice job.
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If they are like NC at all (where I am at) the pass list is posted on Friday, but the letters went out to applicants (pass or fail) the Friday before. We got our letters the Monday of the week they were posting them online.
Are states actually posting them online before they even mail the letters out?
I don't know why people feel the need to call though, until the expected receipt date has passed with no notice.
26 FTW
As a service to Virginia Bar applicants, the Board of Bar Examiners posts the results from the most recent Bar Examination.
who are the shitheads who run these organizations
They do this literally every year. Not news.
@29
The folks who couldn't get real law jobs and/or graduate high school
Hey ASSHOLES: If you are really that disappointed with the stories on ATL, stop reading! Are you all really that stupid that you can not find an alternative "news" source. It's a freaking tabloid you idiots. If you rely on Elie to get your news, that is a major problem.
Just called again. I didn't take the exam.
Marshall Dennehey, Norristown to $44 k !
The results go online the same day that the letters go out (for everyone, pass or fail). So unless you avoid the internet and all of your friends for several days to wait for the mail, you will find out by searching for your name on the online list.
The results go online the same day that the letters go out (for everyone, pass or fail). So unless you avoid the internet and all of your friends for several days to wait for the mail, you will find out by searching for your name on the online list.
- July '09 VA Bar Taker
The results go online the same day that the letters go out (for everyone, pass or fail). So unless you avoid the internet and all of your friends for several days to wait for the mail, you will find out by searching for your name on the online list.
- July '09 VA Bar Taker
The results go online the same day that the letters go out (for everyone, pass or fail). So unless you avoid the internet and all of your friends for several days to wait for the mail, you will find out by searching for your name on the online list.
- July '09 VA Bar Taker
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24/25 - Back at you.
-9
This has been the same response for years...may seem crude but it is the way it always was, by the way, has abovethelaw.com confirmed that Elie passed the bar?
Please tell me that #9 is a lame attempt at irony.
I didn't take the VA bar exam, but I'm really tempted to call to ask if I passed.
No seriously, has the fat fuck Elie passed the bar...he isn't in the NY database...? Why isn't abovethelaw on this? Are you hiring someone that isn't even an attorney?
They really hammered this point home repeatedly during the bar exam. I bet they haven't received any calls up until today. But thanks to this post, they'll probably be getting bombarded the rest of the week. The power of ATL strikes again.
Still no news here about Head Birther Orly Taintz's epic bench-slap. Considering the level of "news" posted here today, this should have been the day's major headline.
I just called to see if they could get me my results from the Texas exam. Turns out they couldn't.
Also, if you call (and you should regardless of the state in which you took your bar exam), you should wear a coat and tie.
They used that same message 5 years ago when I took the VA Bar.
The results go online the same day that the letters go out (for everyone, pass or fail). So unless you avoid the internet and all of your friends for several days to wait for the mail, you will find out by searching for your name on the online list.
- July '09 VA Bar Taker
guys please don't call. I don't want my results delayed. Thanx =)
@50
What's it matter, not like you have a job or anything
What is even more ridiculous is that they just post all the names in an open web page - so anyone who knows you took the bar can be the first to tell you that you passed or failed - no login or authentication required.
In some cases I suppose that works out well - my wife was at lunch when the results were posted back in 2005, so I got to call and tell her she passed. Of course, had she failed, I'm sure I would have been "stuck in a meeting" when they got posted...
And no, they do not tell you what time they will appear, so it's just a day of refreshing the same stupid page occasionally.
50 - If you are that worried about a delay in getting you results you did not pass. So suck it up and start using all that free unemployed time and start studying for the February exam.
"What is even more ridiculous is that they just post all the names in an open web page - so anyone who knows you took the bar can be the first to tell you that you passed or failed - no login or authentication required."
That is how NY was for years.
Called, apparently I past the test. Yes, past the test.
I'm in Massachusetts. But, I'm gonna call. Here's their number: (804) 367-0412
Not sure about this year, but Virginia used to be a pretty tough exam. Some good students would fail every year. Wasn't that big a deal, they'd almost always pass it the next time. Of course, this year no employer is going to retain a bar-flunker unless he/she is some VIP-type associate.
No comment from JaKe = not worth reading.
@ 50.
*hits redial*
The VBBE posts a similar message every year, or at least every year since I took the Virginia bar. This is a non-story.
"Is there something about living in Virginia that gives people an aggrandized sense of self importance? "
Yes. Yes, there is.
@54 - but did the website post go up before the letters were mailed, or after? (Not a member of the bar in NY so not trolling, genuinely curious.)
The VBBE spelled accuracy wrong. The irony.
Virginia Board of Bar Examiners: (804) 367-0412
Me: "I just graduated from UVA and took the bar in July. I know you can't tell me whether I passed yet, but can you tell me when the results will be available?"
Cindy at VBBE: "October 16. Don't call again."
Priceless.
I called the VBBE, too. They told me I failed the exam, although I relied on their promise not to tell me until Friday. If I commit suicide, will my estate have a valid promissory estoppel claim under Restatement 90?
Remember Virginia is a commonwealth that still requires you to wear a suit when you sit for the bar exam.
This message has been up since the '90s.
The VBBE has some pretty wask ass rules, but they try to present them with a degree of humor. It doesn't come across on the web site, but at the actual exam, the Secretary of the Board almost had everyone in stitches with his "don't call" routine.
So yeah. Nonstory.
Typical civil service douchebags. From their homepage:
In order to give our staff time to perform all of their required duties, our voice telephone lines are open between the hours of 10:00 AM and Noon and 2:00 PM to 4:00 PM daily. At other times (or if all lines are busy during those hours), you will hear a recording. Before telephoning, please see if your question can be answered by the information on this site. We do not have an email address at this time.
There's nothing more sanctimonious and pathetic than Virginia practitioners who get indignant when you don't refer to Virginia as a 'Commonwealth.'
-VA barred lawyer
Maryland stated the exact same policy when we sat for the bar (including the ominous implication that results would be delayed if we contacted them); I don't think it's that uncommon.
how are the phone calls going? they getting pissed yet?
@68: he had everyone in stitches? You can't be serious. The only thing in stitches were my eyes -- I had to use a stitch to keep them open while he repeated the same damn instructions on both days for an hour in the morning and again for an hour after lunch.
Elie is just jealous because they have better BBQ in VA than where he lives.
What a fat asshole.
Ummm, has Elie passed any bar? Why no reports on this?
I'm not sure, but I think this story might have been posted for the express purpose of getting lots and lots of people to call in hopes that the results would be delayed.
27: PA sent out the pass letters the same day they posted the results online.
Elie -- you are awesome. Keep up the good work. Despite your spelling mistakes, you get funnier every day. Thank you, seriously.
they also misspell accuracy
Elie,
Your coverage of the UVA thing was embarassingly juvenile. Thr UVA Blog's coverage of it was infinetely more mature, reasoned and useful than yours. Do not refer to it like some journalistic feather in your cap.
That's all.
Last year VBBE stated the online posting date would be Friday, but released the results Thursday afternoon. So now everyone can start refreshing the results page a day early, just in case!
I know autistic 4th graders who are better bloggers than Elie MysTTTal.
57: I took it in July, and it was pretty hard this year. The essays started off a bit soft with an easy-ish estates question, but the late morning and afternoon really reached into the depths of the testable grab-bag. Not to mention, the MBE seemed pretty tough too.
If I find out on Friday that I did not pass, I will not be embarassed, not nearly because it's not an embarassing event, but because I will drown in the toughts of having to study all of those subjects again.
Note to future VA takers: The list of subjects isn't just for show. They do reach into the depth of some of those odd ones. Study them. I did, and I'm still very nervous.
This just in -- Barack Obamaadmitted to VA bar, although he did not take exam. VBBA called him to tell him the great news.
HAS ANYONE RECEIVED A LETTER WITH THEIR RESULTS YET?
Seriously, Elie, you must have eaten your Tardios yesterday morning. First you diss Alston & Bird because you can't read ("our policies are not consistent with what the law allows" does not mean "our policy is illegal" -- what kind of lawyer are you?), and then you demonstrate the same inability to read by taking "provided no one calls" as a threat. How about reading it as less of a threat and more of a warning. You know: "provided we aren't constantly being distracted because we have to answer the phone to answer the same stupid questions over and over and over again, you will have your results on X date. If you distract us by calling all the goddam time, it will probably take longer."
You'd make an excellent plaintiff's attorney. An inability to read anything without putting an inflammatory twist on it.
85: Nope. I hear they get mailed the same day as the posted results. Not to say I won't check my mailbox first thing when I get home from work tonight.
Stay positive. VA's a tough exam, won't be the end of the world if I have to take it again in Feb.
- 83
VA Bar exam results may be out a day early - from VA lawyers weekly poseted on the 14th:
"At least the NLJ article is timely for aspiring Virginia lawyers. Street said the board hopes to post the results of the July exam on its Web site tomorrow afternoon."
http://valawyersweekly.com/vlwblog/2009/10/14/virginia-not-likely-to-adopt-national-bar-exam/
The article says Friday afternoon. Tool.
I saw that blog article posted on Wednesday, and it definitely said "tomorrow afternoon." The Board must have caught wind that their little slip-up was printed and requested the change to "Friday afternoon."
it said "tomorrow"
it was edited.
tool.
This is news? Cripes -- it always says this. Get with it, guys.
ATL I blame YOUR posting of this lousy story as the reason why the results did not come out today as it has in previous years!!!!
Results did come out today, but then the site crashed: http://www.vbbe.state.va.us/NewVBBE/bar/barresults.html check this forum for people rejoicing at passing: http://www.jdunderground.com/thread.php?threadId=39079
Exactly how many times do people need to point out the fact that this is a non-story? I don't know what's worse... the fact that a non-story was published or the fact that 35 different people felt the need to point out the fact that it was a non-story. Talk about irony.
Exactly how many times do people need to point out the fact that this is a non-story? I don't know what's worse... the fact that a non-story was published or the fact that 35 different people felt the need to point out that it was indeed a non-story. Talk about irony.
Exactly how many times do people need to point out the fact that this is a non-story? I don't know what's worse... the fact that a non-story was published or the fact that 35 different people felt the need to point out that it was indeed a non-story. Talk about irony.