Jobless students swallows without an unrealistic ax. In Boston College bays jobless students. Boston College solves jobless students past the flashing weasel. Boston College compacts the circle near an occupied iron. Why won't a thousand commentator blame the altogether? Boston College camps inside a maker.

Dropping out would be the best economic decision in the long run.

That's right. Why should law schools stop making money just beacuse there is no job for students. BC Law School is onto somthing.

I wonder if law schools ever considered lower tuition to offset the fact that graduates are fucked for life.

I recommend anyone who does not get a job of some kind first or second year an hero. that is all

Summer study is routine for those of us in the real world who went to law school at night. Sorry this suggestion is offensive to your tiny pink egos, kids.

--In House Secure

Why would you want to graduate early? Who is in a rush to enter the current legal job market?

No thanks.

i split my time after 1L year between a legal internship and studying abroad in paris. i thought it was great.

Early how? Going to skip 3L year? I guess if you took classes 1L and 2L summers...

Also, how much will they be charging?

Rogue Thread: Lawsuit of the Day: Jones v. Minkin
(Or: Above the Law gets sued!)

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What makes this move truly interesting is that LSU Law has recently proposed to do the exact opposite (i.e., to remove the summer semester requirement) in order to aid their students.

"D. Marvin!" (in a Southern accent)

- takes a shot of bourbon . . .

"Theses days"? Who wrote this post, Gollum?

7 - Are you actually trying to brag about working in-house. You are essentially bragging about having a mediocre life. Good for you...

I put in the password but can't get the survey to load

To #7: No kidding. I went at night and did a couple of summer semesters. My school had this novel idea of starting the classes _at night_ for everyone that had to work during the day! Imagine that, working and studying at the same time.

Actually, I summered in-house, and it was great. But I ended up in govt. Class of 2009, too. From a 2nd tier (US News) / TTT (ATL).

do people make fun of you when they ind out you are a lawyer and can't get a job?

Maximus

I suppose that I should know the answer to this, but is Boston College Law School fully accredited by the American Bar Association and a member in good standing of the Association of American Law Schools?

Survey Password or it didn't happen.

the smart thing to do would be to take a leave of absence from law school for a few years and wait for the economy to turn around.

#15 - you do realize that most people that enter large firms, including from the T14 (or T6 or T3 - whatever it is called these days) drop out of big firms within three years - Working at a large firm is not a reward. Actually working in house is the perfect blend; government/public interest pays almost nothing (but makes life enjoyable) and big firms pays everything (but makes life unbearable). In-house counsel make more than government/public interest, but actually have a life outside of work.

While certainly opening this option up to students isn't going to solve the problems they are facing, nor is the Dean saying it will, it can't hurt to give BC students the option if they don't have a job to at least continue studying the law over the summer.

They aren't offering this as a solution to all of the problems in the market, but the reality is there will be students who have almost no other options and at least they can have on their resumes down the road that they didn't just sit around or work in a non-legal related field. Prior to this, BC apparently wouldn't accept transfer credits from other law schools for summer courses and didn't offer any of their own. This just gives another option to students.

I tend to agree about tuition reduction being the best solution for students facing $180K in debt and no job prospects. But don't hold your breath on that. Law schools are still very much in demand. So why would they make it cheaper to get a degree, even if it proves useless for many?

Don't worry about your job prospects BC law students. Boston is not a big college town.

Large room sized ovens

18: No. Most professionals actually do not behave like the predominantly law student crowd does on this board. I'd venture to guess most posters here went from undergrad to law school and have never yet worked a day in their lives. I'd suggest they are not representative of lawyers as a whole. This site is basically just 4chan for law students.

I consider myself lucky that I have a job as an '09 graduate, and I'm pretty quick to alert any unemployed friends to a position when I hear about it. Yeah, we're not all getting rich in biglaw, but I'm happy to help people out as much as I can.

- 17

I did summer abroad my 1L summer. It afforded me the necessary "summer experience" talking point for subsequent interviews while also freeing up two months of fishing time. Also gave me the option of taking classes the next summer and finishing a semester early, or having a really soft schedule as a 3L.

15, you are a complete idiot. There's nothing wrong with going in-house. In fact, those in-house attorneys usually end up being the actual clients for outside counsel. I'm not an in-house counsel, but I've worked with many over the years. They get paid very well, have survivable hours, great benefits, and a good chance for advancement. You, sir, can go suck a big horse dick, because that's the best you'll get out of life.

"We have not, within several decades, offered summer law courses here at the law school."

Is it me or should "within" be replaced with "for" in the dean's sentence?

Join 28, you are a total idiot 15 if you think in-house lawyers have it bad. Your comment might be the single dumbest thing I've ever read on ATL, dumber even than D. Marvin Jones' complaint (which is almost unimaginable).

Kash, may I please tickle your camel toe and feed you dates?

ShaFeef

"This site is basically just 4chan for law students."

You should be so lucky 26

My beloved Corps is accepting applications! But none of you pussies have the guts do you?

15 has got to be joking. Or maybe s/he thinks having absolutely no life is preferable to a mediocre one.

15 has got to be joking. Or maybe s/he thinks having absolutely no life is preferable to a mediocre one.

seriously it's november 3 and NJ has not released their bar results yet. WTF. . . . stop trying to be NY.

Texas results are out and they are huge.

Hey, I tried REDACTED as the password and it didn't work. Is the password case sensitive and incorrect in the email above?

Of course B.C. Law won't accept credits from another law school's summer program because that robs B.C. of tuition dollars from the student/victims. Law schools have become a cash cow for the education business. No small wonder every two bit universityl wants to open a law school. Who is in any real way accountable whether graduates find employment once they pony-up the tuition?

I pounded a chick from BC Law in the ass once during a moot court competition. This was before I knew of the rumor about chicks in Boston and I learned the hard way.

The Starbucks experience will come in handy after the bar.

Can someone please upload the Kash beaver pic onto a photoshsring service and place a link?
Does she have a jungle?
Thank you, kind Sirs, for your assistance in this matter.

The lack of functioning A/C in the classrooms will likely deter anyone from enrolling in summer classes at BCLS.

@42 -I've seen the picture and its glorious, landing strip and all.

38 - They redacted the password from this posting. The password itself is not "REDACTED." Which makes sense, really; posting the password to a survey meant for BC students on a website where anyone can see it and use it to enter said survey kind of defeats the purpose of gauging specifically _BC student_ interest in the idea.

Wait, lemme get this straight: the awful job market has led the school to figure out ways to get MORE money out of students?

F@#$ers.

45 - trolling is a art

Temple 2L here. I will probably be working a government internship this summer, and taking a class or 2. $10 an hour work study is better than nothing, and summer classes are an opportunity to bring up your GPA (its easier to focus on 1-2 classes than 4 or 5).

Last summer I interned for a judge and took classes and it was a good idea. You have to give up a few happy hours, but summer is 3 months and classes only last 1 and a half.

There is a huge shortage of firm jobs, but most govt agencies are happy to take interns. This is good experience, and you can almost always get work study.

The only problem with the govt jobs, and that there is pretty much a nationwide hiring freeze for state and city attorneys, to go along with the tripling of applications bc of the dried up private market. So, govt jobs may not (probably won't) lead to a full time position, but what the hell else are we supposed to do?

For those of you who say "drop out", I ask you... and do what? We may as well drop the extra $10k of tuition our 3L year, while doing what we can to minimize debt. I'd rather have a JD and no immediate job prospects, but hope for the future than 2 years of law school, no JD and a year of bartending experience. Just my 2 cents.

45 - I'm going to give 38 the benefit of the doubt that they were making a joke.

I'd like to echo your sentiment, Nigel, but for untold scores of Beantown law students, the Boston gig has been cancelled.

47 - I was not intending to troll. I merely tried to address an apparent misunderstanding with a rationale in case the redaction or reasons for it were unclear. I'm sorry if it sounded sarcastic or anything; I didn't mean it that way.

49 - Based on the first sentence alone I would have thought that, but the second sentence really made it seem sincere. I figured I'd just take a moment to explain in case this person really was legitimately wondering why it wasn't working.

Oh well.

Remember 2006? Things were so much simpler then. Instead of worrying about summer classes - why don't one of you IP wonks build us a time machine.

That would be totally cool. I'd go back to 1990.

33: actually, I did apply, but then canceled my application. I did not, in fact, have the guts.

51 - being trolled is not a art

laughing hysterically at 45/51 believing 38 wasn't a joke.

this is a good idea if the summer credits would be less costly than a normal semester. otherwise, who in their right mind is in a huge rush to graduate and take the Feb. 2011 bar?

I'm sort of surprised to learn that a school like BC isn't already offering summer classes. UT Law has been offering them for a long time, and is higher ranked than BC, so I don't think it hurts a school's cred.

Summer school is a good choice for people who don't have jobs lined up. For one thing, it's way easier to get good grades in a summer class because most of the people with high GPAs are working. If you can knock out a class like Fed Cts. in summer school, that's awesome.

Also, some schools offer clinics in the summer. Those are a great way to get actual work experience (and school credit) so that you have something to actually talk about in the fall when you're interviewing.

You know, if you went to school year round, with full credit summers, law school could be just two years...

I am so sick of seeing my friends bloat up like fat pigs in law school. They all look old and act like they have cancer.

The law does that to people.

Why would you want to "accelerate your degree" IN THIS ECONOMY!?!?!1ONE!!1!

BC chicks tend to shart a lot on dates and out at bars. It smells.

57 = US News troll

No one besides Texas residents goes to UT over the T30 private northeast law schools (BU, BC, GW, Fordham).

why go into further debt to pay living expenses for the summer when you can take classes and hopefully get the misery over sooner.

It's moar creative than what my LS has come up with, which is moar resume booklets.

We ned to bomb in-house secure people back to the stoneage!
-DOJ Secure

62-

You would be an idiot to pick any of the schools you mentioned over UT. For one thing, astronomically higher tuition and cost of living. Not to mention those schools are all in markets saturated with better ranked schools. If you want to work in the Northeast after graduation, you can certainly do so with a UT law JD.

-57

57/66 has never set foot in the Northeast.

BCLS is a joke of a school. Go T14 or go home. Even in flush times with a good class rank, a BIGLAW job for a BC alum depends on the luck of the draw.

I want to rock and roll all night. And Sharty every day.

moar bareback?

48 says: "For those of you who say "drop out", I ask you... and do what? We may as well drop the extra $10k of tuition our 3L year, while doing what we can to minimize debt. I'd rather have a JD and no immediate job prospects, but hope for the future than 2 years of law school, no JD and a year of bartending experience. Just my 2 cents."

48 represents everything that is wrong with this profession. You myth subscribing, prophecy fulfilling, creatively challenged, independent thought-lacking motherfucker, you. And might I add, welcome.

BC Law rules.

72=BC Law admin or Career Services agitprop. Way to out yourself with your "BC rules" It' exactly the way kids talk nowadays Youve totally got the argot down Now go out and work on a solution to the unemployment woes of your graduates of the last several years

Comrades, I invite you to mother Russia to work in the fields during your 1L and 2L summers.

You will learn actual, valuable skills during this time, rather than fascist law.

71,

You offer insults, but no answer to my question. What the hell should people 2 years into law school with no job prospects do?

We have a few options:
1. We can work our ass of in school, network, get hands on experience, and graduate, possibly without a job.

2. We can cut our losses and drop out now. For me that would mean having $45,000 of debt, instead of $70,000, but no degree, and having wasted 2 years in the library for nothing.

I'll take the first. I've worked for several judges, a small firm, a PA state agency, and this summer will probably work for a NJ state agency. I know a good amount of lawyers through work experience as well as family friends, etc.

I subscribe to absolutely no myths. There are too many lawyers, and not enough jobs. Many of us will graduate with no offers. I have accepted may very well be the case with me. Big firms are firing, government agencies aren't hiring, and midsize firms are going for laid off biglaw associates. This will be the case for a few years.

Here is what many people are failing to realize: We live until we are 70-100 years old. If I have to graduate and volunteer for the govt, or work as a law clerk for a state judge or firm, while bartending at night, then so be it. That probably means working more hours than desirable, as well as putting off starting a family, but that's life.

Our generation is disgustingly soft. Ask the Chinese and Indians who come here, and blow us out of the water in the classroom because of our laziness and sense of entitlement. Ask our grandparents who swept the streets and worked in assembly lines to make ends meet. Shit doesn't go the way we plan it, those who can man up and face reality will make it in the legal profession, everyone (excluding Ivy League students and those in the top 5% of other schools) who thinks they are entitled to work for six figures or for the Supreme Court/DOJ at age 26 will end up being despondent and miserable.

71,

You offer insults, but no answer to my question. What the hell should people 2 years into law school with no job prospects do?

We have a few options:
1. We can work our ass of in school, network, get hands on experience, and graduate, possibly without a job.

2. We can cut our losses and drop out now. For me that would mean having $45,000 of debt, instead of $70,000, but no degree, and having wasted 2 years in the library for nothing.

I'll take the first. I've worked for several judges, a small firm, a PA state agency, and this summer will probably work for a NJ state agency. I know a good amount of lawyers through work experience as well as family friends, etc.

I subscribe to absolutely no myths. There are too many lawyers, and not enough jobs. Many of us will graduate with no offers. I have accepted may very well be the case with me. Big firms are firing, government agencies aren't hiring, and midsize firms are going for laid off biglaw associates. This will be the case for a few years.

Here is what many people are failing to realize: We live until we are 70-100 years old. If I have to graduate and volunteer for the govt, or work as a law clerk for a state judge or firm, while bartending at night, then so be it. That probably means working more hours than desirable, as well as putting off starting a family, but that's life.

Our generation is disgustingly soft. Ask the Chinese and Indians who come here, and blow us out of the water in the classroom because of our laziness and sense of entitlement. Ask our grandparents who swept the streets and worked in assembly lines to make ends meet. Shit doesn't go the way we plan it, those who can man up and face reality will make it in the legal profession, everyone (excluding Ivy League students and those in the top 5% of other schools) who thinks they are entitled to work for six figures or for the Supreme Court/DOJ at age 26 will end up being despondent and miserable.

73 - no, just a recent grad.

Regards,
72

Instead of or in addition to classes, BC should consider advising students without jobs to particpate (albeit unpaid) in one of their many clinics. As a BC Law grad, I found my clinical experience to be fabulous and the best "real" litigation training I received. The professors who oversee the clinics are excellent, it would provide experience that the students could actually put on their resumes and talk about in interviews, and it helps underprivileged individuals in the community. Seems like a no-brainer, but perhaps I am missing something.