Berkeley Law Students, How Did the ‘Not Ironic’ Strike Go?
Yesterday, we told you that big tuition hikes could be coming to schools in the University of California system. But we didn’t know that Berkeley students had a plan to do something about it. They’re going out on strike! With university workers who want a raise! Or something!
Hey, it’s the Berkeley way. When they are pissed about something, they protest. It’s better than the Harvard way; when we’re pissed about something, we ask Daddy to fire somebody.
[Yale way = invite SCOTUS justice to speak about the issue, ask justice only clerkship application questions. UT way = shoot it. NYU way = wait to see how Columbia handles the problem. I could go on and on.]
The protest was scheduled for today. Those hardcore Berkeley students were even asking professors to reschedule classes so more people could participate in the strike.
(Wait for it)
Yes, you read that correctly. Students wanted to strike, but didn’t want to risk missing class.
After the jump, the Berkeley law blog, Nuts & Boalts explains the problems with this plan:
Does it make sense for students to hold a protest over high tuition alongside university workers who want more money? No, no it does not. As Nuts & Boalts explains:
1. Students are “striking” because they don’t want their fees increased while workers are striking because they aren’t getting paid. Seems to me that those two groups are each others enemies, not comrades.2. Students, as consumers of a service, cannot “strike.” They could boycott or withdraw, but they can’t strike. That would be like me claiming I’m on strike from Best Buy when I don’t buy something from there.
3. They are protesting in Berkeley; the decisions are made in Sacramento. Wrong forum.
4. They are protesting at construction sites around campus. Why? Because they want the university to breach contracts and instead pay out for work without having it completed.
5. The state is many billions of dollars in debt. Does no one think that might have something to do with the financial situation surrounding the UC system?
That seems like a pretty good argument to me. But one of the strike organizers wrote an open letter explaining:
*The “Strike” is Not Ironic*
You can download the full document at Nuts & Boalts. But let me point you to one brilliant paragraph from this letter:
Dean Hirshenʼs memo does point towards a question regarding how we, as a community, should measure ourselves. It also speaks to a conversation that should be taking place in the sunlight, rather than remaining the unspoken but omnipresent message undergirding the Administrationʼs response to student interest and action. It appears that Boaltʼs administration wishes to remake Berkeley Law in the image of an elite private law school. But this sort of fundamental and philosophical shift should not be undertaken lightly, nor should it be forced upon students through tuition increases. It is not only possible, but also in fact probable, that this student body would rather attend the #1 public law school in America than the #6 private law school. Perhaps our choice to come here was not merely premised on Berkeley Lawʼs ranking in a national magazine, but rather on our universityʼs historic and capacious commitment to issues of social justice, engagement with the local and global community, and willingness to encourage students to question and challenge the status quo.
You know what? I need more unspoken but omnipresent messages girding my posts. Let me try one now.
…
Yeah, feel that bitches.
Sorry Berkeley student protesters, but you guys have a real problem here. If you went to law school because of “our university’s historic and capacious commitment to issues of social justice, engagement with the local and global community … ” and whatever, then you went to law school for the wrong reasons. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but you should have gotten a Ph.D. if you wanted to question and challenge the status quo. Law school is a professional school, people go there to learn a skill and (hopefully) get a job.
In a way, your beliefs have a lot to do with why you find yourself in the ruinous economic situation you are trying to protest. When law schools get away from their core competencies (training lawyers) and devolve into questions and challenges, they end up graduating people with limited marketable legal skills and a mountain of debt. But more lemmings sign up for law school, the legal economy be damned, because they think law school is about a “capacious commitment to issues of social justice,” whatever the hell that means.
Don’t get me wrong. You current students are getting rogered but good. You should be angry, you should be protesting. But, remember, nobody is forcing you to pay these higher prices. You could leave. There’s no sense in throwing good money after bad. If you feel law school isn’t the right choice, trust me, putting in 7,000 hours for three years reviewing documents while trying to pay down your debt isn’t going to make you feel any better.
Strike! (Or, Three Strikes? You’re Out) [Nuts & Boalts]
Earlier: Law School Tuition Hikes Spread Like Wildfires in California




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First, Second or Third?
Oh snap! I was first!
And I hedged my bet so I wouldn't get the demoralizing "FAIL."
-1
Wait a second. I can be third too!
-1 and 2
TRIPLE CROWN!
I made it into the ATL Hall of Legends.
From now on, I will always be referred to as "#1, 2 & 3" in ATL history.
That is all.
- #1, 2, & 3
Wait, so you're telling me it's NOT like rain on your wedding day?
Last time buddy.
END THE SCHTICKS !!!
Elie - Can we place a limit on acceptable schticks? I say once a week we vote a schtick off the island until we reach some arbitrary number like 14.
Certain schitcks are annoying but mainstays: Partner E.;
Others are annoying but possibly helpful: Restatement 90 folks;
Some are timely: the guillotine guy and Michael Ray; and
Others are pure classics: Frat Stud.
However, we have reached saturation and what the hell are the dudes from Spinal Tap and a walrus doing on a legal board?!
Oh man! ATL Glory!!!
You can also refer to me as "TRIPLE CROWN." (all caps)
Either/or will suffice.
- 1, 2 & 3 / TRIPLE CROWN
(843): i study at coffee shops because all these damn artsy people motivate me to work towards a real job.
6
I'm glad to see you removed me from your anti-schtick schtick.
Quack.
Mystal brought it.
GO BEARS! Lots of people go to Boalt to practice law in a capacity that does not entitled them to wads of cash to pay down overpriced tuition. Stop building, refurbishing, etc. Employers, clients, etc don't care if your law school has the most hightech library or best wired classrooms.
Although, I must admit that it has become substantially more difficult to ask Daddy Walrus "to fire somebody" since he resigned from office amid a corruption scandal for lying about not living within his legislative district.
Oh well, I suppose the Affirmative Walrus brood will have to retreat to our three fabulous homes in Palm Beach, Huntington Station, and Amityville to launch our crusade against social injustice.
Perhaps my cause would have received a warmer reception at Berkeley? Mmm...do they offer an L.L.M.? Daddy!
EQUALITY SECURE
8 - Comment of the day!
9 - No worries. You will be voted off, primarily because you're not funny, but that Walrus is f'ing annoying and he needs to go first.
If I could somehow ban the first, second, third guys, I would.
"It is not only possible, but also in fact probable, that this student body would rather attend the #1 public law school in America than the #6 private law school."
Did I miss something? Are the UC Regents taking Boalt private? If not, what on earth is the meaning of the statement? The person who wrote it seems to argue that Boalt is being turned into a private law school and that Boalt students want to attend a public law school. Berkeley logic, at its worst.
Could it be that the students are saying they care more about the tuition they pay than the quality of the education? If so, then, as a California taxpayer, I am all for Boalt going the Walmart route and getting the lowest cost labor and facilities so they can get the lower tuition. How about selling off Boalt's buildings, having classes in military surplus tents and using the proceeds from the real estate sales to offset costs included in tuition?
14 = 6
First of all, hats off to Elie. This is one of the best posts I have read from him. It's great to have you back, Elie!
Secondly, Boalt students need to get their heads out of the clouds. Yeah, commitments to public service and social justice are all warm & fuzzy, sure, but they need to read the writing on the walls.
6,
I'm not a "schtick." I earned my name through talent, hard work and success.
I didn't just pop out of nowhere like this Duck or give myself credibility like those Emeritus "schticks"
You are witness to my birth.
You ALL are witness.
- TRIPLE CROWN
Nice West Wing reference.
6 - I couldn't agree more. Schticks are no laughing matter. Just the other day I was walking downtown behind a couple that was obviously in a fight. I kept my distance, about a half block back as things gradually escalated. She spit in his face and he actually took a schtick and cracked it on her skull. She was bleeding profusely as her body went limp. At this point, I had to do something so I whistled for a cab and when it came near the license plate said 'fresh' and it had dice in the mirror. If anything I can say this cab is rare but I thought 'Now forget it' - 'Yo homes to Bel Air'
OMG! Have aliens kidnapped Elie and replaced him with someone sane and amusing? This. Is. The. Best. Elie. Post. Ever.
When he lands, CUT HIM TO PIECES!
Elie,
Somewhat off- topic post here. What were some of your favorite classes at Harvard Law and why?
Elie's favorite class was lunch!
John Yoo knows exactly how the UC Administration should deal with these recalcitrant liberals.
Iron Eagle, PREPARE TO DIE!
Father of ShaFeef
As far as I know the "strikes" were UC-wide, not just in Berkeley.
I completely agree with you on this post. That makes you 1 for 30 this week. So, you are on fire!
Deh dooker JEARBS!
UVA way = ignore it and drink away your sorrows by the softball field.
Why is Berkeley the only California state university referred to as "Cal" or "California?"
I second the notion to start voting schticks off the island. Not only would the means be fun the ends would be glorious.
In reply to the snotty professor:
1) They have a common enemy in the administration, though for different reasons. My enemy's enemy is my friend and all that good stuff.
2) Some people have more to do in a given day than put on one 1.5-hour lecture. Being busy occasionally affects diction. You wouldn't understand.
3) Forum non conveniens.
4) That would actually be quite effective in getting the University's ear.
5) Certainly the state is part of the problem, but only part. God forbid we admit that the administration itself may have a hand in a debacle.
As a Berkeley Law student.. I can say that the "strike" was really just five workers with signs walking around in circles. most students probably used it as an excuse not to come to class..but the "picketing" and I use that term loosely hardly indicates a riled up student body.
Dude Elie dropped some fucking science with this post right here.
CHAPPIE!!!
I rule this blog from now to eternity.
And may the streets flow with the blood of the non-believers.
- TRIPLE CROWN
"UT way = shoot it"
This is texist you state baiting walrus.
"this student body would rather attend the #1 public law school in America than the #6 private law school."
So is the author arguing that the entire class should transfer to University of Michigan Law School rather than NYU?
I talk a lot of shit about Elie but man, you're on fire today.
I suppose that I should know this, but is the University of California-Berkeley Boalt Hall School of Law fully accredited by the American Bar Association and a member in good standing of the Association of American Law Schools?
I suppose that I should know the answer to this, but is the University of California-Berkeley Boalt Hall School of Law fully accredited by the American Bar Association and a member in good standing of the Association of American Law Schools?
CHECK YOU HADES BOMB
Do you people know what response tokens are?
This site is capturing IP addresses each time you comment.
It is sort of like the reason why the escort service needs to do a background check on you - so that they can use that information against you in the future.
Lesson: stop commenting on this site. You are only hurting the industry and helping worthless morons like Elie maintain a platform and employment that he does not deserve.
36,
Don't impersonate me. This will be my last comment on this particular post, so everyone should know others are impostors.
My last point: technically I was 1-4. So in addition to the two names I already mentioned, you can also call me "#1, 2, 3 & 4" or "GRAND SLAM!" (Exclamation mark must be included).
- TRIPLE CROWN / GRAND SLAM!
TRIPLE CROWN for the win!
43 = partner that prefers the rest just bend over and take it. No lube.
A lot of folks looking like DMW (Dead Man Walking) at Schulte today.
44,
Nice try. The blogospheroids know me well enough to know that I would never use a name like "GRAND SLAM!"
- TRIPLE CROWN
post is full of win
46 = Lat and/or Elie trying to save face and rationalize their continued employment.
45 - Thank you for the recognition.
- TRIPLE CROWN
50 - I swear to god almighty man. If you don't stop impersonating me - I am gonna have to you know what.
- TRIPLE CROWN/GRAND SLAM!
How does a Ph.D allow you to "better question and challenge the status quo" than a J.D.?
Elie, have you never heard of public interest law?
To leave half way through Law School is a bit retarded. I started at Boalt when the fees were only ridiculous. They are proposing fees for next year that would be a 21% jump and make Boalt more expensive than almost all private law schools in the country. This is point of the private/public comment. The Public (read as more affordable and accessible than private) law school is being turned into a private one as part of the Dean's plan (in terms of tuition cost, means of raising money, how money is spent, hiring, etc.) to increase Boalt's ranking. It is not feasible for me to Boycott or withdraw at this point. Plus I woudn't want to - I want to practice law. It's just the proposal for increasing our fees is ridiculous. A stirke is at leat doing something better than the rest of you apolitical cultural critics. It is in line with the workers as well, b/c the same budget mess the UC is in is driving them to prioritize certain items (like construction, hiring more faculty, pouring tons of money into modernizing the law school, maintaining the exhorbitant pays of the execs) while raising fees and laying off workers. Educate yourself a bit more about an issue before you comment.
I can't believe this was written by Elie. I mean ATL telling social justice folks to STFU. And right after another post earlier today bashing the diversity nazi at McGuireWoods. Whatever medicine Elie is on, keep it coming.
53 -
You'll get nothing, and like it.
This website caters almost exclusively to law students at this point. In other words, it sucks.
I thought you was a pilot, not an Astronaut!
-Col. Chappy Sinclair, USAFR, (ret.)
Because they're DEAD, ALL OF THEM! I had laid awake at night thinking about how fast and how brutal they died. Parts of them burning on the land, parts of them landing in the sea, some part of them burning just into nothing in the middle of the air and all of them thought that they were ready for it. When it was all over, I promised myself I'd never be part of killing kids again. That's why it took me so long to come around to helping you. Now it looks like I have us both trapped into something...
-Col. Chappy Sinclair, USAFR (ret.)
Will the real TRIPLE CROWN please stand up?
Suck on my prestige!
TRIPLE CROWN / GRAND SLAM!
You just lost a refinery!
I don't understand...are they refusing to pay tuition and fees? Or are they going on "strike" by refusing to receive the education that they've already paid for? Because that sounds to me like the opposite of a strike: We're unhappy! Here's free money!
LOOK AT ME WHEN I TALK TO YOU BOY!
-Col. Chappy SInclair, USAFR (ret.)
There moving him Chappy!
6 is flooding the board with crap so to prove his point.
Ellie,
Great post, but I know you make great posts more often than you get credit for.
GLUC way is to defer it.
This just in: The students' strike is off to an outstanding start. In the first day, 40% of the students reported that they had not attended any lecture, met with any professor, sought guidance from any office, visited any university gymnasium or library, or otherwise availed themselves of any of the resources and facilities that they previously paid for in full before the semester began. They've now decided to retain counsel to assist them with their strike - to this end, they have paid counsel an upfront retainer and have proceeded to refuse to meet with counsel or to otherwise obtain any legal advice whatsoever from them. Tomorrow, the students all plan to purchase full-price monthly MUNI passes and then refuse to ride any public transit for the next month. To celebrate their successful week, they are all going to buy concert tickets and then fail to show up for the performance.
64 -
If you're attempting to classify Iron Eagle as "crap" we're going to be flying the Missing Man formation for you pretty soon.
Boalt 2L here. Before lambasting Berkeley law students in general, please keep in mind that a pretty small minority of Boalt students are participating in this "strike." So lambaste away, but direct your criticism at the Boalt "strikers" in particular and leave the rest of us out of it.
I was at this "walk-out" today. It was senseless at best. One of the students approached me and seemed upset about me not caring about their seemingly helpless plight. To which I retorted--I've given 22 fucking years of my life to this country! 22 years! Look at me when I'm talking to you boy! I've seen boys blown up over the pacific--seen thier guts strewn out over rice paddies in Vietnam! So believe me when I say I give a shit!
CHECK YOU LEG-MOUNTED TAPE RECORDER
It amazes me how threatened some people feel by the fact that others are striking. Why the need to trash social justice and workers' rights as airy-fairy impossibles? Could it be that the commenters on this blog, and on Nuts and Boalts as well, are simply hoping to cash in on the status quo? That might be off the mark, but it's how you all sound.
Consider the possibility that a strike can improve labor relations, and that lawyers can improve social policy. If you think those ideas are bogus, consider what that tells you about how you think about the world and your place in it.
What does it say about you when you're more deferential to politicians and administrators massively disinvesting in public education than you are to students trying their best to do something, anything, to fight it?
Some of us are becoming lawyers to make the world a better place. You don't have to agree with us on the strike. That's fine. But if you take this attitude with you into your corporate bourgeois law firms, you're eventually going to meet us in court. And you're going to lose.
-Danny Kramer, Berkeley Law 2L
That sounds like a threat, Danny.
You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.
Elie missed some glaring facts:
-The strikes are UC wide and inclusive to undergraduates, graduates, faculty, and workers across the California system NOT just Boalt...
-The workers strike is in line with the students' because the protest is about accountability, transparency, and communication in the decision making process, not just who pays for what.
isn't democracy what's at stake here?
Can someone explain to these glue-sniffing weasels that one cannot strike/boycott a service that one has prepaid for?
"Some of us are becoming lawyers to make the world a better place." Thanks Danny for the laugh. Next time you want to make the world a better place, join the United States Army. Pussy.
from ucstrike.com
All the while we have been paying more for less. We are paying more for fewer classes, and for classes with larger enrollments. We are paying more for fewer instructors, for closed libraries, for closed department offices, for cancelled programs. We are paying more for fewer staff and for staff working longer hours for less pay. We are paying more for a degree it will take us an extra semester to complete. We are paying more for an institution barricaded against the next generation of high school students, more for an institution which crowds out students of color, which makes those already struggling to get by shoulder the burden of the crisis.
70 - I applaud your enthusiasm, although you have to choose your battles wisely. When I was a 2L at UCLA, we decided to strike against the administration when they were planning to fire a particularly popular professor for making a series of pro-abortion comments in class that upset the Dean of Academics, herself a staunch Freedom of Choice supporter. The strike/protest was going well until an undergrad pro-lifer wandered into the demonstration and a particularly surly 3L grabbed her arms and pushed her back against a light post. The undergrad screamed and spit in his face. This caused him to actually grab her forehead and start slamming the back of her head into the post. She was bleeding profusely as her body went limp. At this point, I had to do something so I whistled for a cab and when it came near the license plate said 'fresh' and it had dice in the mirror. If anything I can say this cab is rare but I thought 'Now forget it' - 'Yo homes to Bel Air'
it's a matter of principle. yes, it's Sacramento's fault, but can the students really mobilize and protest IN sacramento? the whole point is to get attention and if a strike is the most peaceful way to do it then so be it.
It's sad that ATL does not support a more democratic process...
J
"like" 70
Berkeley is a problem than can easily be solved by a well placed HADES bomb. I think I know the man for the job. His name is Doug.
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/11/17/why_are_we_destroying_public_education
Danny Kramer, how do you propose to make the world a better place? Should we fire the hordes of incompetent administrators at Boalt? Should we start paying less tenured professors whose only achievement in life is having the right connections or being in the right place at the right time or publishing some academic BS that no one reads? Should we stop wasting money on supporting student groups, like those palestinians that used to block entrances to campus buildings back when I was in Berkeley? Should we stop widespread corruption where no-bid contracts are awarded not on the basis of merit but on the basis of connections or 'minority' status? Or should we tax the "rich" (which, under Obama, looks surprisingly like lower middle class folks and above)? That is the true question, Danny Kramer.
God, ATL sucks.
Well written piece. Another way to stay current on developments in the law is to check out www.louandthelaw.com--another helpful blog. Mike
Well written piece. Another way to stay current on developments in the law is to check out www.louandthelaw.com--another helpful blog. Mike
Well written piece. Another way to stay current on developments in the law is to check out www.louandthelaw.com--another helpful blog. Mike
And, Danny, lawyers are all for improving social policy. The question is: who is going to pay for it?
At American University, they would whine.
then rush off to finish their paper on violence against women in some African nation they can't even find on a map
i think i'm finally retiring from lurking around this site. no bueno
A good way to start saving some money for Berkeley would be to fire Gibor Basri, its Vice Chancellor for Diversity and Inclusion, who makes $200k and has nine people working for him. That's 10 "diversity and inclusion" people gone. Now do the same on all other campuses. Now we are talking a 100 people doing absolutely nothing all day long. Then move on to other departments. If they posted their line-item budget on ATL, we could help them cut the deadweight.
Well written piece. Another way to stay on top of developments in the law is to follow the blog www.louandthelaw.com. Mike
"Yeah, feel that bitches"
Fucking funny.
Hey, Mike. Shut the fuck up. Elie eats pieces of shit like your lame fucking blog for breakfast. And brunch. And lunch. And Fourth Meal. And supper. And dinner. And a couple late night snacks.
This just in....White House says tuition hikes are a result of Bush Administration policies. President Obama was not consulted about the strike but was informed once the decision was made.
This just in....White House demands that University of California regents stop building "settlements" on Native American lands.
Hi All:
(1) Could someone please find me one source that says Berkeley law students called for a "strike" today? (Nuts & Boalts is not a source). Like, did a call go out for a "Student Strike" anywhere? Boalt Hall staff (like many workers across the UC system) struck today, and some students decided to respect their picket line. Some decided they wanted to walk picket lines to support the workers; some decided they wanted to stay neutral and not cross. It's not that complicated.
(2) On "irony." The only one who referred to the UPTE strike ironically was Dean Edley, who in his e-mail to the community used quotes around the "strike." A lot of people, particularly workers who were going out on strike, found that offensive (like Dean Edley might find it offensive if people referred to him as "Dean" Edley). Students wrote an open letter in response that said there was nothing ironic about a work stoppage.
(3) On a related note, we found out this week that our fees are going up $8,000 next year (see yesterday's Abovethelaw), and not surprisingly many people were upset. That has prompted some students to also protest the Board of Regents --- students, mostly undergraduates, are occupying buildings around the UC today --- and (I know you will find this shockingly naive) find common cause with the workers.
the michigan way: steal the administrations sandwiches until they give in...
*nervously stalks around the dean's office waiting for the moment to grab his subway*
-nervous T-10 2L
since when does ATL use sources?
People in California want to be taxed like libertarians, but recieve benefits like socialists.
I AM CENTURY MAN! BOW BEFORE ME!
Way to solve the strike: replacement students. Everyone who is absent without an excuse gets expelled from Boalt, and next year, the school starts fresh with a less whiny group of law students who are willing to pay the increased tuition rates. Problem solved.
Right on 96! Power to the workers!
@ 96: right on.
I do not, however, think much of the idea of going to Berkeley Law School because of a commitment to social justice. Speaking as a bleeding-heart hippie liberal myself, I didn't even apply to Berkeley. Why would I want my tuition dollars to pay for John Yoo?
Elie, easily your best post ever.
You sided against the hippies and (correctly) explained how a business functions...are you feeling alright?
IN THE REAL WORLD, HASTINGS > BOALT
dear abovethelaw:
i was really ticked off about massive fee hikes before i come to this website. i was planning on going to meetings, talking to other law students, and perhaps even protesting in an attempt to oppose them.
thanks to you, i've learned that all i need to do is write snarky blog posts and comments.
- law student
mystal crushes idealist dreams like couch springs
You can deal with me, Doug Masters!
106, don't forget to masturbate!
Berkeley is such a shit hole. I assume the law students are as ugly as the undergrads.
Those commending Elie's unusually deft post should take note that almost all of the best points against the "strike" (scare quotes intended) were lifted from the Nuts and Boalts blog itself. These same reservations have been echoed by many, many Berkeley Law students themselves since the "strike" was announced.
110 - Berkeley 3L here. Why all the haterade? Even if Berkeley is such a shithole, I assume it's still too big for your tiny wee wee to satisfy.
Remember: Make love. Not war.
All you answers can be found in the annals of the timeless classic film, Iron Eagle.
Doug Masters
Not everyone in Berkeley is a bleeding heart hippie. I'm a 3L here and I fully recognize the conflict between student fees and worker's jobs. And I say: fire the fuckers. This is a school, not soup kitchen.
And yes the law students here are as ugly (if not uglier) than the undergrads.
Actually, you're paying extra due to grade inflation. If grades were not inflated, there would not be such high demand for a product that requires good grades.
112, is that going to be your motto when a commie is eating your guts?
I think the best new schtick on ATL is "Danny Kramer, Berkeley Law 2L". Please keep this schtick going.
WOW! That was the most hysterical post I have seen on this website in a very long time. Whoever wrote Comment 70 is certainly a genius and should go into writing fiction. You created a characiture of what we East Coasters imagine a Berkeley Law 2L and douche would say.
"a strike can improve labor relations"
"lawyers can improve social policy"
"becoming lawyers to make the world a better place"
All instant classics. Also, the character somehow believes the that attitude that -lawyers possess the ability to "make the world a better place"- to the courtroom will somehow yield a win.
The best, by far, is the fact that the schtick character fails to recognize that politicians and administrators have no choice but to disinvest in public education because California is beyond bankrupt.
Thank you Commenter 70. Thank you.
QUESTION FOR BOALT STUDENTS:
why do boalties always lose to hastings students in moot court competitions?
Please end the schticks! Please oh God end them all, NOW!
- the end-the-schtick guy
Elie, you've been absolutely fabulous these past couple of weeks. Keep it up, buddy!
meep.
Pretty sure you can judge the quality of a blog by the quality of the comments by regulars. By that measure, this one is looking like a pub bathroom in Scotland.
As for the "content," it should be known that the students--and faculty--went out "on strike" to support the workers who were actually out on strike and to make funding public education an issue for the upcoming gubernatorial election, among other things. As for the construction projects, they were begun AFTER the "fiscal emergency" was declared, and the bonds to raise money for them were backed by tuition pledged as collateral.
Bottom line, all you frat-boy lawyers reading this blog don't know the first thing about political action. Nothing has ever been changed by people following the law.
122,
Sincerely interested in your post and what you have to say. Could you please further elaborate on the intriguing last sentence of your post. You write as though that is common knowledge. Perhaps some examples could illustrate (that prove more than that change CAN come from disobedience but that it must come from that).
Do you have some particular animus toward Scots, 122?
If the AFLAC duck is banned , I'm outta here.
@122 - I sincerely urge you to view the film that defined a generation, Iron Eagle. It will assuage all of your misgivings and fears and might actually turn you into a tolerable person.
Doug Masters
I "thought" that "people" went to "Boalt" so that they could "overpay" for the "privilege" of "learning" how the "legal system", the "English language", "logic", "paper", and "babies" were coercive forces oppressing the common man (who does their daddy's yard work).
I can't believe anyone would want to take advantage of them. It shocks the conscience of humanity.
My mom wants to know is this a family friendly blog?
I.M Jackingoff
I come to ATL, because I've got nowhere else to schtick it.
I think Elie got a promotion or raise last week.
"unspoken but omnipresent message undergirding the Administrationʼs response to student interest and action." Nothing worse than a law student with a thesaurus. Go on strike to protest a tuition hike? Fail. The problem lies in Sacramento, and until the State of California reforms its political system, I predict continuing gridlock, missed budget deadlines and deep cutbacks in services. Heckuva job, Ahnuld!
"We're not going to protest."
"We're not going to protest?"
"We're not going to protest!" "We're not going to protest!" "We're not going to protest!"
("Gutter is a tool!")
The knee-jerk bleeding heart liberals, sipping tea and playing patty-cake, those useless hippie potheads, those commie pinko leftists, the bunny-huggers, the pillow-biters... The butt pirates! And those beastly man haters! Tell those chicks to shave their pits and call me!
Affirmative Walrus, what are your turn ons / turn offs? Favorite foods, cocktails? Do you do the inter-species dating thing?
Equality-minded inquring minds want to know.
Boalt law school, as in John Yoo's Boalt?
117 for comment of the year, and second the Danny Kramer Berkeley Law 2L schtick
I think Elie is drunk. There is more anger and the writing is better.
Weird.
1-4 = triple the douche
Ellie,
I don't think that the educational method of Berkley Law, and their devotion to social justice is the reason for the dire economic situation.
Even if law schools trained everyone solely on how to file motions, argue in court, review documents, write patents and write memorandums, the problem would still exist just as it is now.
The problem is two-fold:
1. There are more lawyers than there are jobs and/or demand for lawyers in any economy. We can thank the ABA for accrediting too many schools, law schools for publishing false and misleading data.
2. The job market sucks. Virtually all my friends have graduated college and very few of them have professional jobs in any capacity, be it finance, engineering, or IT; those who have them were hired in 2006 or 2007.
The legal job market has been relatively strong for the last 20 years, so the educational method of law schools might decrease young lawyer's ability to hit the ground running when they do get hired, but I don't think its the reason for the legal market right now.
The only schticks wes got down here in the county be the schticks we use fer hangin' em high.
Especially them labor organizers, and them big city partners...
Okay guys, fine. That was all a joke...okay? To be honest, I'm a staunch George Bush and Sarah Palin-loving Republican from Idaho. Everyone knows that any idiot could get on his soapbox and rant all day about how lawyers are going to make the world a better place like Michael Jackson.
But as any person with half a brain knows, the truth is that lawyers make the world a better place about as often as Rudolph the Red-nose Reindeer flies through the night guiding Santa's sleigh...which is to say, once a year, and only if you believe in fairy tales and unicorns.
And, finally, let me be clear about one last thing. I realize that there is just no possible way in all of the 9 circles of hell that unwashed Berkeley hippies who won't even use toilet paper (much less regular paper to write a brief on) because it kills our beloved brothers--the trees--will ever win a lawsuit of any consequence against any lawfirm with any dignity.
-Danny Kramer, Berkeley Law 2L
Shut up Danny
I think ATL has finally lost me... If you really think future tenure-track academics (PhDs) do more for social justice than lawyers, you clearly know very little about either occupation.
Fee hikes, in general, are not shocking. However, raising fees 20% in one year AFTER is it is difficult or impossible for current students to leave is shocking. If the administration needs to raise fees, then they should raise the fees by a smaller percentage over a longer course of time and publicly disclose the plan. This way the student (who are consumers) know what they are going to pay. Raising fees so suddenly is a bit like a doctor operating on you and halfway through, while on the operating table, saying "hey-- I want 20-30% more you're screwed." The administration has some serious explaining to if they've mismanaged the school so poorly that the only way to correct course is a 20% hike in fees.
To reiterate #144 above me, yeah, fee hikes are not shocking. But this is a _mid-year_ fee hike of significant size, not one phased in gradually to incoming students. And the Best Buy analogy? Clever, but misses the point that many students are workers under UC. Graduate student instructors are being hit with bigger sections as classes are cut, and some departments cut all GSI assistantships (Industrial Engineering and Operations Research cut a good number, as did the East Asian Languages). We're not like you law students, used to working for free in clerkships because we don't always land the 150K salary upon graduation with a PhD. While tuition increases are not as important for grad students who have wealthy faculty advisers and fellowships, research funds are still rather scarce. And the UC's strength is its research, not its bloated administrative salaries.
It's easy to point to the problem being ONLY in Sacramento with the budget, but the UC system is not being forthwith or transparent with publishing its own budget. Money is tied up in biomedical contracts under UCSF. Yudof gets a tidy salary, more than even Yale or Harvard's presidents, not to mention his $10,000/month rent (see his NYT interview) plus his pension and benefits.
The ire and frustration is with the bloated administration and its stubborn attitude as well. There's the office of development and the office of alumni relations and many more offices with similar titles and jobs, and yet our endowment is tiny relative to schools of the same academic caliber. If Yudof took a $1 salary, much like Schwarzenegger or private CEOs do in times of crisis, when asking everyone else to tighten the belts, perhaps the unionizers would compromise more.
99 nailed it.
Berkeley and the free speech movement ain't what it used to be.
Bring back Abbie Hoffman.
Great post, Elie. I'm usually a fan but this was even a cut above your normal work. The tuition increase sucks in a big way, but demanding that a law school behave like a non-profit school of social work is unreasonable.
I can hear the protest chants now:
"Hey Hey!, Ho Ho!
law schools without historic and capacious commitments to issues of social justice have got to go!"
"Boo hoo. I billed 7000 hours in 3 years." What's that, like a 60 hour work week? Millions of people work 60 hours a week for far less than debevoise was paying..
David,
As Marty DiBergi would say, that is a bit of a departure from your usual stuff.
Nigel
Indeed, Nigel. I guess the "end the schticks" campaign has me struggling to establish my relevance.
In my post (@148), I sought to channel the influences of two of my favorite ATL authors, Mystal and Lat. The result was kind of a "Latstal" posting. I wrote it in the font of Helvetica, which I find causes people to weep instantly.
By the way, you're up early!
Yes, David, I"m up early because unfortunatley my flat is next door to those really loud English folks who scream during sex. They pulled an all-nighter apparently, so my "alarm" sounded early.
My advice to you is to ignore the "End the Schticks" guy, who is himself a schtick. We know that questions about "the end" tend to tie you up in existential knots. You do much better with practical questions, like "Are we going to play Stonehenge tomorrow night?"
No, we're not going to fucking play Stonehenge tomorrow night!
Sorry you didn't get any sleep. Sounds like your neighbors had the ultimate big bang.
Mother Earth is warming (or cooling) at an alarming rate, and unless we all reduce our carbon cockprints immediately, the world will end.
- Danny Kramer, Berkeley Law 2L
Suck it up students, life is hard and full of changes (and challenges). The sooner you realize THAT, the easier it will be for you to deal with the fact you won't be getting a job when you graduate.
For a long time, I thought I was liberal. I wanted to help people and thought that way the only way. Now, I realize that most liberals, like these Berkeley students, are morons and don't understand the first thing about economics or the way the world actually works. They just want a "cause" to fight for and could care less about the effect of achieving that goal. Right wingers are just as moronic, except they usually have religion rather than bleeding hearts clouding their logic.
I think Partner Emeritus really left. Please stop publishing the murder novel.
Good logic there 156, except not all right wingers are religious, and most liberals don't have a cause.
156. The only way real way to help people is to make them help themselves.
My god, Danny, we need to talk. Those "bourgeois corporate" law firms you hate and are determined to fight are who pay the freight at Berkeley and its peers by providing the salaries that make the massive unsecured private and public financing of tuition for going to law school, even a "cheap" public school, possible even for the people who enter with no intention of joining a firm, and it is those firms that thus also pay every dime of the LRAP.
So, you became a running dog the moment you set foot on campus. Boalt is no different from Columbia, NYU, Yale or any other of the august, fiercely leftist legal institutions that ply their "public interest" candidates with bullshit about its commitment to the community while working hard to make sure as many graduates as possible slide that filthy corporate lucre back to the school.
If you think letting the buildings run down and letting your awesome liberal faculty run east when you cut their pay is going to make Boalt a true anticounterrevolutionary law school you need to think that through.
-- A Liberal Grown-up.
Super. funny. column. nicely. played.
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