Nationwide Layoff Watch: Goodwin Procter Makes Grown Men Cry?
It’s been a tough day at Goodwin Procter. Multiple tipsters report that the firm is laying off both attorneys and staff today. One source reported on the human toll of losing your job:
[L]awyers were just laid off this morning at Goodwin Procter in Boston. There are both men and women crying in the halls.
It’s not clear what triggered the tears, since Goodwin handled the dismissals professionally, appropriately, and in a manner similar to other top firms. Are Goodwin guys just more sensitive?
Goodwin has laid off 21 attorneys and 34 staff. Here is the critical part from the firm-wide memo Goodwin Procter just sent out to its associates:
In anticipation of a slow economic recovery, we took a number of actions during the year to manage our staffing model, secretarial ratios and discretionary expenses. The end result was that while we were largely successful in realigning resources to meet client needs and market demand, there remains some overcapacity within the firm.After careful deliberation, we have made the difficult decision to reduce our associate ranks by 21 people and our professional staff ranks by 34 people.
Most of the attorneys who were cut were second-year associates in the firm’s Business Law Department, out of its Boston office.
Read the full memo, after the jump.
GOODWIN PROCTER — MEMORANDUM — LAYOFFS
Throughout 2009, Goodwin Procter spent a significant amount of time and effort managing capacity at all levels of the firm, as well as identifying ways in which to operate more efficiently as an organization. While we are cautiously optimistic about an eventual economic upturn, we are realistic - based on existing and projected market demand for legal services - about the timing and pace of that upturn.
In anticipation of a slow economic recovery, we took a number of actions during the year to manage our staffing model, secretarial ratios and discretionary expenses. The end result was that while we were largely successful in realigning resources to meet client needs and market demand, there remains some overcapacity within the firm.
After careful deliberation, we have made the difficult decision to reduce our associate ranks by 21 people and our professional staff ranks by 34 people.
The associates affected are current second years within the Business Law Department and most are based in our Boston office. As many of you are aware, this group of associates was not included in our February reduction in force because they were first years at the time and we were hopeful that the economy would improve sufficiently so that we would not have to make this difficult decision.
However, in order to continue to provide quality work assignments and professional opportunities for all our attorneys in the long term, we have determined that reducing the size of our current second year class is necessary now. We have significantly reduced the sizes of our incoming classes going forward and believe that we are now aligned with existing and projected market demand. That does not make this decision any easier or less painful.
Those affected within our professional staff group include secretaries and administrative staff members, again with the largest group being based in our Boston office. Roughly three-quarters of those affected were members of the Boston-based secretarial staff. Administrative staff included reductions in a number of functions including marketing, recruiting, and operations/administration, among others.
We are committed to providing comprehensive severance packages, transition support and career counseling services to the individuals who are affected. In addition, we are pursuing all available channels to assist our attorneys and staff in finding new jobs.
This has been one of the most difficult decisions in a year of difficult decisions. I am hopeful that this is one of the last steps in a process that will ensure that Goodwin Procter remains healthy, vibrant and competitive for many years to come. I am genuinely grateful for the hard work and contributions that all our attorneys and staff have made to our clients and to the firm.
Meetings will be held tomorrow to answer any questions you may have - information on the times and locations will follow shortly. In the meantime, do not hesitate to contact me, your department chairs or office leaders with any questions, comments or concerns.




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There's no crying in layoffs!
First to say sorry to hear more bad news!
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Ouch. Best of luck to all affected.
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Uptick in layoffs...I guess 2L recruiting is over and bonus season is near.
Here we go again...
Newly-minted second year transactional associates out on the street. That hurts. Hope the severance is decent.
Not a good morning to work in Boston
THERES NO CRYING IN BIGLAW!
Simply practicing law makes me want to cry. Getting laid off would make me want to cry. Every time I think of my internal dialogue at the time I decided to attend law school I want to cry.
6: You can hardly call what Cravath announced a "bonus"
- 1
ps. haha 2 & 3
A couple people on my floor were let go. Tough times at GP this year.
That sucks. But its just in time for the holidays!!! Merry Christmas!
Time to get my help-wanted advertisements polished up. Kidding aside, GPH is a damn good law firm. Anyone coming out of that shop is going to be (a) well trained, and (b) a fantastic hire. If I were in the market for corporate types, I'd hire them in a heartbeat.
I wish all of them the best of luck - don't worry, in a year or two you'll all land on your feet.
If any really care, I'm in Boston & wiling to provide moral support at [name]@yahoo.com. No contacts in the necessary area, but I'd probably pay for lunch.
They probably just sent all of the females home because they were sick and tired of them sharting everywhere in the office.
You can't say "Christmas" on ATL. Please use instead: "Happy Holidays."
What about Latham? Have they ever laid anybody off? I heard a rumor that they laid off first-years, but I can't seem to verify it anywhere on the Internet.
You can't say "Christmas" on ATL. Please use instead: "Happy Holidays."
12, so if the firm gave you $7,500 as a bonus you won't take it then?
11. I was very happy with my decision to attend law school. Unfortunately it meant I had to become a lawyer afterwards. Reminds me of:
http://www.someecards.com/card/if-you-go-to-law-school
Why do Boston chicks always shart all the time? Its really disgusting.
Mission Accomplished!
21
So you are happy with a decision that led to an inevitable outcome that you are unhappy with. At what point do you just realise that you are unhappy with your decision itself? I feel like law school made me a better, more intelligent person, but the result of that fucking sucks as I had to become a lawyer. I think I would have been happier if I took a full ride to a TTT and then did something else, but I didnt, and getting a job in law has to be the result of a decision to take on so much debt.
11
@24. A frightening but not too far off the mark thought, for sure.
Moard like "Bad"win and Proct-ologister-er, AMIRIGHT?
Goodwin isn't the only Boston office doing this.
26 is a shart
Goodwin isn't the only Boston office doing this to their second years.
@27, 29. Spill the beans then.
Poor taste to mock the fired associates ATL (referring to the men crying).
29, provide details.
24: basically correct. My biggest disappointment is that I was wrong about wanting to work in a big firm. I am much more of a solo I think. So yes it sucks having 175k in debt. But I will still feel proud of my success at a top 10 school for the rest of my life. Once I get this debt paid off I will be happy (but probably not richer than if I had gone to said TTT or 4TT that offered free ride).
18 - I heard the same rumors re Latham. In addition, I heard that there were some who were spared being laid-off due to nepotism. Unfortunately, I have not seen much discussion of these items.
Tell Messrs. Goodwin and Procter that I am available to provide a "comprehensive severance." This will certainly ease the "transition" of those affected.
Elie, you're a heartless bitch.
These people are crying because they just lost their jobs ahead of the holidays. I'd rather have been fired in the spring.
Take heed, Mystal, and pray that Lat keeps you on until then.
-The Ghost of MysTTTal Future
Grown men don't cry.
28, LOL U MAD
Anyone know if Sullivan & Worcester is laying off?
Anyone know if anyone from the NYC office was chopped?
I think part of the reason people hate being lawyers is because of some of the chumps who leave comments on this board, who I presume are lawyers, and are a terror to work with.
Do Walruses shart?
Although not a peer firm, GP gets the nod of approval from yours truly for becoming the latest firm to adopt my hybrid tough love model. This will be a November to remember for many folks who helped usher this era of economic decline when they helped elect Commissar Obama last November. Folks in law school should drop out and move to South East Asia where they may fare better under a different communist regime. Put those otherwise useless English majors to work by teaching Thai or Mongolian villagers to speak and understand English. As for law graduates, I suggest you go abroad where your worthless law degrees will be seen as the equivalent of a bachelors degree and perhaps land a legal outsourced job in the Phillippines or India. At least $.50 a day there will go a long way compared to NYC's COLI.
I thought this firm was headquartered in Cincinnati and produced such consumer goods as toilet paper, diapers, tampons, dog food, and detergent. But I must be confused as usual.
I didn't cry when I got laid off, but I feel like crying now, 8 months later and still unemployed.
But, Elie, I wouldn't fault anyone for crying when they lose a job. If it's a man, yes, it's still fair to call them a fucking baby, but generally it's understandable why someone would cry, no?
Crying over losing a job at Goodwin ProcTTTer?
This was my favorite law firm until they dropped the name "Hoar" and went to just Goodwin Procter.
Latham (surprisingly) promoted 23 lawyers to partner this year.
http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2009/11/latham-watkins-promotes-23-to-partner-six-in-dc.html
Elie - this post just seems in poor taste. An earlier post on staff layoffs wishes the departed luck, while this one just mocks the unfortunate persons laid off. This may be a tabloid, but layoffs are probably one area that could stand to have a little less commentary and attempts at cheap laughs. The site will get enough hits from just reporting the information. Is the rest of the post really necessary?
Here is a practioners tip for partners that are assigned the difficult task of firing an associate.
Rather than use the traditional "We don't see you as having a future at the firm..." or "Unfortunately you are not a right fit for the firm...," I would suggest the non-chalant approach. For example, the dialogue should go: "Associate X come in, and please do not sit as this will only take a minute. How about those Yankees winning their 27th World Championship? By the way, you're fired. Please leave and see the office manager for your outplacement briefing." I guarantee if you take this approach, the associate will be too shocked and won't have enough time to lubricate his/her tear ducts by the time they have left your office. Try it and thank me later.
Wow, that post at number 47 deserves its own story. Latham promoting 23 lawyers to partners in 2009????
Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain poverty of ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize your true potential.
Mmm mmm mmm.
ATL - "It's not clear what triggered the tears"
Are you dense? Retarded? How do you not understand this? How about being laid off in one of the worst economic climates for attorneys EVER.
How about losing your health insurance? Not being able to pay your rent?
Getting a one-way ticket to "Notes from the breadline" is about enough to make anyone cry.
Way to be a shithead Elie, you fat bacon gorging fuck. Try not to have a coronary any time soon.
Elie, for all your racebaiting, you sure aren't too sensitive about the rampant sexism in your post.
PE proves daily on ATL that asshole is not just a part of the body. It's a state of being.
@ 24:
Amen.
24& 32 -- I also went to a top 10 school. I have left the practice of law and am doing something completely different now, and having a prestigious law degree doesn't give me any advantage in my current career, but I'll be paying for my top 10 education for the next 20 years. It's one of those things where "if I had only known then what I know now." Oh well, that's just the way life goes sometimes.
"Are Goodwin Guys more sensitive?"
What are you saying, every man a Goodwin is gay?
Let's see,
Like two thousand five hundred people passed the bar in Massachusetts last week. Now a bunch of second-year Goodwin associates got the axe. I think my chances are looking better than ever!
Unemployed Northeastern motherfucking '07
"It's not clear what triggered the tears [on a day when dozens were laid off]" = "It's not clear why the casket was brought to a cemetery."
You are mumbling, stumbling fuck, you know that Elie?
6 - Correct, bonus season is drawing near and the fiscal year is almost over - time to clear the ranks to start with a better financial runrate and outlook.
Elie can't relate to their sadness because he was happy when his firm told him the gig was over.
I heard rumors last March that this might happen in Nov or Dec to the newly minted 2nd year corp kids. Not that I'm happy about it, but it's not a huge shock.
Sullivan & Worcester ... anyone ...
If firms dont reduce billable rates, more layoffs are to come.
As a man, you get one cry in your life. You are going to use it on this?
Not sure why they are crying? Nice. The sheer weight of the fear and anxiety takes your breath away. I know. I've gone though it. All you can think about for days and weeks is all the dreams you had for yourself and your family - gone - and all the debt you have - sadly, not gone.
I'm so sorry to those let go.
Suck my ass, Mystal.
they are crying because they have zero chance of finding a legal job until at least january and probably next summer. every associate at every law firm in the country would take a 25% pay cut today just to avoid getting laid off. what other choice would you have - where would you go?
Why are people asking about Sullivan & Worcester? Someone hear something???
Goodwin's fiscal year ends at the end of October I believe, so maybe it wasn't looking so good.
What does this mean for the people scheduled to start in January?
What does it mean for the people deferred until October?
to 58
Only 1,849 passed the bar, not 2500+
Yes, still a lot of people, but a good 700+ less than what you are complaining about.
65, interesting. Starting when, though? E.g., at 8? Or 15 or 18?
Goodwin Procter just sharted all over its employees.
Does anyone have a list of who got canned that they would care to circulate?
Is the Procter in GP the guy from Police Academy?
74 = Elie
Articles like this and the comments that follow remind me on a daily basis of the biggest mistake I made in my life: going to law school.
I could have found a job paying $50-75k out of undergrad and been debt free since I had a full ride. Instead, I now have a law job paying me $85k, I have $150k in debt, I have to deal with a$$holes like PE, and I spend every day in fear that I will be laid off.
Oh well, when I am eventually laid off at least I won't shed a single tear like the girly men that were sent off the plank of this sinking ship.
Dudes, the Dow is UP. What gives?
Suck my ass, Mystal, you obese, race bating, white baby killing, WALRUS!
people, while this is TERRIBLE, those laid off have not been busy since they started at the firm last October! Most did many of their hours this past year through lit doc review. Be thankful the firm opted to give them 12-3 months of pay (+ severence) before undertaking the inevitable. It's not awesome by any means, but it's reality.
Is something up with Sullivan & Worcester ... really? Whoa ...
Strong men also cry. STRONG MEN ALSO CRY.
A man does not have to be gay to cry. It helps, but it is not necessary.
"It’s not clear what triggered the tears, since Goodwin handled the dismissals professionally, appropriately, and in a manner similar to other top firms. Are Goodwin guys just more sensitive?"
You know, you're really an asshole. I wish that you were in the place of one of the worthy associates laid off now, and one of those people had the job at Debevoise that you threw away because you couldn't even pass the bar after two tries.
You can report on layoffs without being an asshole, and you're not even really any good at being an asshole.
I'm a grown man and I'd cry if I had to work at Goodwin Procter and Whore.
Do walruses cry?
Sorry, opting not to clarify b/c some of these people are currently looking for other positions.
-29
29/87- you are a giant, attention-seeking pussy with no information
lol 85..you said Whore
What happened to bitch-slapping and marching them out the back door, so others wouldn't see them crying. For christ's sake, crying in a law firm. This proves the fuckers needed to be fired.
Elie, I hope you choke on a cheeseburger you fat, ugly, pigly motherfucker. YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE AND DESERVE TO GET HIT BY A BUS YOU FUCKING WHALE.
I got laid off from Big Law a year ago with about 20 others. None of the men cried but we did drink heavily. That is how you handle a lay off, and we are all fine now, they should drink, not cry.
make way for the first years.... seriously, does anyone starting in January expect to last more than one year?
15- do you mean GPFH?
Freak.
29, do you mean sullivan & worcester??
93 - yes, thanks to the "lost class' of 2010.
93 - Almost no one (if there is even one) starting in january is in litigation or tax - no real estate starting until October 2010, no (or almost no) corp - it was planned this way. So yes, SOME of us starting in January do expect to keep our jobs for more than one year. But thanks for the fear mongering. tremendous really.
93 - Almost no one (if there is even one) starting in january is in the corp department - everyone is in litigation or tax - no real estate starting until October 2010, no (or almost no) corp until then as well - it was planned this way.
So yes, SOME of us starting in January do expect to keep our jobs for more than one year. (or reasonably hope to with a lot of hard work). But thanks for the fear mongering. tremendous really.
apologies for posting before editing - 97/98
I have to stop reading comments on these posts. A partner today mentioned he was working with an attorney at Latham on a deal, and I almost said "Latham - I heard they fired about half their first year associates . . . ."
Anyone have an idea on the breakdown of corp/lit for Jan vs. Oct. start dates at goodwin?
Elie,
Die in a fire.
Nice. Now I know that if I get a resume from a male GP associate, he's both lay-off refuse and a crier. Well done, ATL.
I'm still waiting to hear from GP for next summer in the NYC office; guess that's not looking too promising.
-2L
I'm still waiting to hear from GP for next summer in the NYC office; guess that's not looking too promising.
-2L
Que la sigan mamando.
Boies is being stealthy again
Anyone know who got the ax specifically?
The problem is the government subsidizing law school debt.
No subsidy = less debt available = lower demand = lower tuition = lower starting salaries = lower billing rates. A virtuous cycle.
This responds to my husband's post at 49.
Wilfred, once again you have shamed our family. Making light of these poor unfortunate souls who have lost their livelihoods is despicable. Remember, you too would be in similar circumstances but for the grace of my father and the allowance I provide. Just because you married above your station in life and my father has kept you on as a "special counsel" at his firm does not give you the right to poke fun at the misfortunes of those who are likely more able and less lucky than you.
I recall the time my father told you he would never have you as a partner at his firm, you cried your eyes out. It was pathetic. Now you who are provided through no merit of your own with a palatial estate and substantial allowance which you squander on both female and male sex workers deride these poor souls who have lost their livelihoods for crying. Would that I had married Reginald those years ago and you would now be dependant on government assistance of some sort and living in a flophouse with others of your ilk.
You are a disgrace.
Your wife
Wilhemina Sullivan Emeritus
What the fuck is wrong with you, you stupid cow? Why would people cry when they're laid off?
You stupid fucking retard. Kill yourself.
108: Do you really expect names in a public forum like this?
MESSAGE TO STUPID ASSOCIATES:
BigLaw is still in a death spiral. You are only moderately secure if all of these are true: (1) you regarded as the top superstar in a busy group; (2) you are billing well above budget and well above your peers; (3) you are the personal buttboy for a major rainmaker in the firm.
If you score less than 3 for 3, your job is in peril. You should be saving as much money as possible and networking constantly.
This is not close to over.
108-noone will or should provide names of other people fired. Ever heard respect for privacy?
one of your worst posting days in a while, MysTTTal. this and the stupid Iowa post.
hey Lat, think someone might need to take Friday off?
More second/third round cuts to come as firms finalize their 2010 budgets. Look for more 2008(clerks)/2009 grad offer rescinded too.
92, what if they drink, and THEN cry?
I mean, some people just get like that when they're drunk. Don't judge, man.
Good luck to the laid off staff. You'll be able to pick up similar work for similar pay soon. How many lawyers can say that?
The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
It takes a big man to cry. It takes an even bigger man to laugh at that man.
-- Jack Handey
Elie, you should be ashamed of this post.
Goodwin had the decency to announce this layoff and say it's for economic reasons. How many firms have sharted (sorry couldn't resist) on their associates by giving them crappy performance reviews? Dickstein Shapiro set the trend. Goodwin followed. And guess what? Other firms are going to be waiting in line tomorrow and next week. The Big Law layoff lull is over.
But you decide to call this post "Goodwin Procter Makes Grown Men Cry." Really? Because "one source" reported that "there are both men and women crying in the halls"?
We all benefit from ATL's reporting. It helps keep law firms honest and open. But this post is a shameful example of sensationalism. I am shocked that you would ridicule people who just lost their jobs, and like 48, I think your post was cheap and in poor taste.
All it takes is a google news search to show the callousness of your post, Elie. For example, the title of The Business Insider's report on this layoff is "Layoffs at Goodwin Procter Hit Young Attorneys." Those people were hit by a freight train today, and you decide to humiliate (and for the male associates, emasculate) them by making it appear that they are all crybabies?
Get your act together, because I think you're going to be covering more layoffs in the near future, and it's "Douchebag 101" to kick people when they're down.
I am soooooo sick of the phrase "realigning resources to meet client needs."
Here is how to re-align resources to meet client needs:
1. Cut bills. Slash billable rates across the board.
2. Devote excess associate time to triple-checking all work product sent to clients. While this triple-checking is not billable, maybe it improves the work product so the client does not look elsewhere.
This is a buyer's market for legal work. Cut the costs and improve quality, and maybe the client will not fire you and hire the next firm begging for work.
If this means firms must slash associate salaries and partner comp, so be it. Clients really don't care about how firms compensate their attorneys. Clients care about quality of work and the size of the bill.
@121-
This is a tabloid. It's sensationalist journalism. Get over it.
Ouch, tough times this year
To the laid-off associates - don't think twice, it's all right. Big law sucks anyway.
It's amazing how Mintz Levin escapes the ATL wrath. They have absolutely massacred the transactional group, and it goes unreported?
Better than Latham, who laid off over half the first years only four months after they started.
Dear laid off goodwin associates,
Next time,
1) be born the son of a latham partner
2) have daddy get you into his alma matter
3) have daddy get you a job at latham
4) fail bar like an idiot legacy
5) beg daddy to save your job
6) get billed out to unwitting latham clients at $400+ an hour
7) profit
The link also says Latham laid off 444 associates.
http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2009/11/latham-watkins-promotes-23-to-partner-six-in-dc.html
I haven't been on ATL in a few weeks, but wow, Wilhelmina Emeritus is the BEST shtick in a long time.
In my head, Wilhemina Emeritus sounds like Julia Childs.
Sorry - grown 'men' should not cry at losing a job - loss of a parent, loved one, pet - fine - it's still just a job - even if it means you are on your way to a homeless shelter (and, of course, you are not), you have to suck it up
39: GP New York Associates were crying also...Question is: is the California sun still shining...?
118 - laid off staff may not get hired quickly. I have a friend who is a paralegal. Was laid off last July and still hasn't found fulltime work.
Newsflash -- people are crying because the market SUCKS. Hello?
Midlevels and Senior Associates are next - here come the performance reviews!!!
Unemployment is over 10%. It is ok for anyone to cry about losing their job . When those of you that are employed are next in line and the shoe drops on you then you will feel what these people felt. Fear, worry, etc.. Where are these people going to find work with unemployment at 10.2% AND RISING.
Who is anyone to judge another until they are in their shoes? Idiots.
137-- Reviews were moved up this year to be completed by Thanksgiving versus by Jan. 1....Ostensibly, the reason was to deliver feedback as quickly as possible--translation: more stealth layoffs by Turkeyday!
137-- Reviews were moved up this year to be completed by Thanksgiving versus by Jan. 1....Ostensibly, the reason was to deliver feedback as quickly as possible--translation: more stealth layoffs by Turkeyday!
I wonder what was said at the following day's meeting?
141 - It was fairly candid about why the class of 2008 got canned: they were protected from the last round and they are not busy.
The 10,000lb gorilla in the room is that 2-5 years are not busy either and reviews were moved up to be completed by Thanksgiving. We all know what is coming: reduction of staffing through reviews. Nobody is safe in that regard, because it is impossible to meet Goodwin's professional development framework.
But, well, this is the industry we work in. It's amazing to me that firm management (I don't mean Goodwin, I mean ALL firms) haven't recognized that the work that pushed partner profits into the 3 to 4MM range IS NOT COMING BACK, and that they have priced themselves out of perfectly good work. Cut salaries and cut rates and everyone will be busy, happy, and still able to put food on the table and drive a nice car.
142 - Wise words - I totally agree. I don't see much mention here about the fact that the current crop of GP layoffs only got 2 months severance (i.e. pay through January after the next two weeks of transition) versus the 3 months the prior crop got. I wonder what type of "package" (if you can call it that) the performanced out folks will get?
Does anyone here know how deeply the firm cut into the '08 class?
Well, by 21, unless you are asking for a %?
I wonder which 2-5 years will be affected. I wonder if those in class of 2008 will still be spared review-based layoffs. Lit has been busy outside Boston.
#52 - you're awesome!!!!!!