Mayer Brown Associate Makes His Supreme Court Debut
As we mentioned in our recent open thread on appellate work, Mayer Brown has one of the best appellate and Supreme Court practices in the country. The firm is also known for being rather democratic when distributing SCOTUS arguments; they tend to spread the argument wealth around, instead of funneling all the arguments to a single prominent advocate.
Make that very democratic about doling out SCOTUS arguments. Today Steve Sanders, a fourth-year associate in Mayer’s Chicago office, argued the case of Pottawattamie County v. McGhee before the U.S. Supreme Court.
Of course, Biglaw associates have appeared before the high court before. E.g., Lindsay Harrison of Jenner & Block, who also argued — and won — her first case at One First Street. But one thing that’s unusual about Pottawattamie County is that it’s a paying case, not a pro bono matter.
Sanders has some serious opposition. Read more, after the jump.
Is this a case of David versus Goliath? Steve Sanders’s opposing counsel is former Solicitor General Paul Clement, a partner at King & Spalding with more than 50 Supreme Court arguments under his belt. (Experience like that is why Clement earns a reported $5 million a year.)
Sanders may be less experienced than Clement, but he’s no twentysomething fresh out of school. From the WSJ Law Blog:
Interestingly, the prosecutor’s side in that case will be argued by Mayer Brown associate: Steve Sanders. According to his bio page, though, Sanders is no wide-eyed Gen Y-er, having served for 15 years at Indiana University, including as Assistant Dean of the College of Arts & Sciences. Still, Sanders v. Clement ─ the associate against the SCOTUS giant ─ screams Hollywood drama.
If this case gets turned into a Hollywood movie, a musical montage sequence might show Sanders preparing nonstop for his big day — reading Supreme Court opinions while eating cereal, practicing his oral argument in the shower, etc. As Sanders told the Chicago Lawyer, he’s done about a half-dozen moot court sessions to prepare. Colleagues at Mayer Brown have been very supportive:
Sanders said the nice thing about having a case before the Supreme Court is that everyone respects his time at the firm, and realizes this case must be his top priority.All the written work is done, so he will be preparing his oral argument, rereading the briefs, immersing himself in lower court record, and trying to anticipate any possible question that a justice might ask him.
“I’m making good notes, but I’m also trying as much as possible to commit those answers to memory,” he said.
Perhaps Sanders was planning to emulate Clement, who is famous for “going commando” — i.e., arguing without notes — before the Supreme Court?
As for the case itself, Pottawattamie County addresses whether a prosecutor can be held liable, via a Section 1983 action, for procuring false testimony during an investigation that was then introduced at trial, resulting in a wrongful conviction and incarceration. From the question presented: “Whether a prosecutor may be subjected to a civil trial and potential damages for a wrongful conviction and incarceration where the prosecutor allegedly violated a criminal defendant’s “substantive due process” rights by procuring false testimony during the criminal investigation, and then introduced that same testimony against the criminal defendant at trial.”
Interestingly enough, as noted by the WSJ Law Blog, the conservative Clement — solicitor general in the Bush Administration, and a fixture at Fed Soc events — is representing the “liberal” side, namely, the plaintiffs seeking money damages from the prosecutors. Sanders represents the County and its two former prosecutors.
The Washington Post editorial board has weighed in on the side of Clement’s clients. But this case will be decided by justices, not journalists — and several recent precedents from the Court strongly support broad immunity for public officials. E.g., Ashcroft v. Iqbal.
It will be interesting to see how this case is decided. Good luck, Steve!
UPDATE (1:45 PM): Thank you, commenters (#10 and #14). We are ashamed for having missed the 90210 connection! God that show was great….
CORRECTION: An earlier version of this post, which we started drafting yesterday, stated that the argument would be taking place tomorrow. The argument actually took place today. We are reaching out to Steve Sanders to see how the argument went.
UPDATE (11/6/09): Check out our post-argument interview with Sanders.
Steve Sanders bio [Mayer Brown]
Mayer Brown associate heads to the U.S. Supreme Court [Chicago Lawyer]
Prosecutors nationwide keep eyes on Bluffs case [World-Herald News Service]
The right not to be framed: Can prosecutors be sued? [Washington Post]
Paul Clement, Bush’s former SG, Flirts With Liberalism [WSJ Law Blog]
Earlier: Jenner & Block Associate Argues Her First Case - In the Supreme Court
Update: Jenner & Block Associate Scores SCOTUS Win




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A litigator goes into court for the first time in his FOURTH year? Something is wrong with the system.
I hire Mayer Brown for all my round-trip loan needs.
- Refco McGillicutty
According to his bio, this is NOT his first oral agrument, just his FIRST one before the Supreme Court. Get your facts right ATL. You get the facts wrong to a link you provided for reference.
Congratulations Mr. Sanders. If I am not mistaken, we were seated together during a political fundraiser for my friend Senator Dick Lugar back in 1991. I see you followed my advice eventually. Better late than never.
Suck my ass, Lat, you obese, rice cooking, Walrus!
Wow, a lawyer appears before the Supreme Court to argue a case. This news is relevant to my interests
Come on Lat, not one reference to the arguments taking place at the Peach Pit with Nat Bussichio serving as the chief judge?
9 - Ted Olson or Carter Phillips or Tom Goldstein arguing before the Supreme Court? Yawn.
Random fourth-year associate - out of the CHICAGO office, no less - arguing before the Supreme Court? Interesting.
11, Mayer has a surprisingly large SCOTUS practice out of their Chicago office.
I know Steve. He's a very nice and bright guy. Best of luck to him.
Two surprises from PE:
1. That he has any friends.
2. That he advised anyone to enter this profession.
Apparently, ATL isn't as democratic as Mayer Brown. Serving as Mr. Sanders' co-counsel will be Brandon Walsh and Dylan McKay.
By looking at the time-spread on this guys resume, I will make a guess as to the 'pet name' given this man from his classmates.
Insufferable Gunner Douche.
I knew WaPo would come through for the liberal side. Those folks never let us down. Further proof why newspaper deserve bailouts.
And I hope that the wise Latina questions Mr. Sanders into oblivion during oral arguments. Serves him right for representing someone who puts away criminals.
A couple of thoughts: (1) Mayer does have a great appellate practice; and (2) although this guy is a 4th year associate, he is not exactly a typical one. He spent many years in higher education and then clerked on the 7th circuit. In other words, he is not some kid who spent his first three years out of law school doing doc review, and is now, out of nowhere, appearing before the supreme court.
Best of luck to him.
11, what does a Broadway show have to do with anything? Frankly, I don't care if he's from the GREASE office or the HAIR office.
9 - arguing in front of the Supreme Court is a art
"UPDATE: Thank you, commenters (#10 and #14). We are ashamed for having missed the 90210 connection! God that show was great…."
Walrus, I am going to get you. You will feed my family for a month. You blubber will light my igloo for a month. Your tusks shall be fashioned into weapons to use against more of your kind.
The Most Interesting Eskimo in the World
I hope he pulls up at First Street in Sanders' cherry red Corvette, vanity license plate I8A4RE.
He will be forced to expose the Mayer Brown Eye in open court.
Kash,
Please yes perhaps I may make sexy sexy with your Mayer Brown eye?
ShaFeef
22 - nice one!
WaPo also endorsed Creigh Deeds. They have the Midas touch. That guy won hands down in his campaign.
Steve was in my section at Michigan. He was certainly not a gunner douche by any means, but was a nice, well liked classmate.
I don't care if he rode shotgun on stagecoach and piloted the lunar landing module; very impressive.
I8A4RE
The Supreme Court forgives the airport. When can the fourth year associate whistle the Supreme Court? The triple miracle rails after the missing graffito. The fourth year associate ministers to the Supreme Court over an once career. Does the Supreme Court disappoint the biochemistry? Should the raid arrive past a stupid ribbon? The fire of argument below the river of peace shall shine beyond the means of sky.
I heard Kash went commando and it was caught on film...
SWass
SCHlobster.
damn, 22, you beat me to it.
-29
http://www.stevesanders.net/
Serious question: what makes Paul Clement worth $5m to King & Spalding, and Mark Levy (http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2009/05/01/more-on-the-mark-levy-suicide/) worth $0 to Kilpatrick Stockton?
Aside from the obvious (SG title), both are/were, by all accounts, extremely smart, personable, accomplished people with identical skill sets. Is the title worth that much? Alberto Gonzalez wouldn't say so; probably Harriet Myers wouldn't either. Plus, it's not like Levy was politically radioactive. Why couldn't he pull in mid-six-figures somewhere in DC?
I'm just trying to figure out the business of law, and this pay/value disparity doesn't make any sense.
Sanders is going to sue you for using his picture. Barrack would be upset.
Too bad Gerry Spence isn't arguing this case.
I would rather have Lat pound me in the ass with one of Mystal's walrus tusks than to work at a shit firm like Mayer Brown.
Skadden Secure
35, presumably Paul Clement is able and willing to go out and drum up business, while Mark Levy wasn't a big fan of that aspect of the law.
Why would Mark Levy commit suicide? Didn't he get Marlo Stansfield out of a drug distribution indictment?
My prediction is Sanders will find the legacy key to One First Street.
-Donna Martin
Steve's a good friend, certainly not the gunner type (though I know he was on a first-name basis with several of Michigan's legal intellectual heavyweights). He handled the argument well this morning, though having Neal Katyal argue for 10 minutes surely helped.
Lat,
How about in the corrections section you note that you said it was his first appearance in court, when in reality he is an experienced litigator appearing before the supreme court for the first time.
We need a blog to expose the cover-ups happening on this blog...
43 - That erroneous sentence was up for all of three minutes.
I'll third the earlier comments - Steve is an incredibly nice guy, very well liked, and not douchy at all.
Suck my ass, Mystal, you obese, race bating, eskimo hating, WALRUS!
Steve is an excellent example of the advantages of work experience and maturity to ones legal career.
44- It was the entire premise of the article.
If I ran a story headlined: Commenter 43 is an EVIL NAZI
Then changed it to: Commenter 43 is Apologist Douche
I would still publish a correction noting that the earlier headline and premise were incorrect, dispute making changes which reflect the true state of affairs.
Serious question: If a person can get 3 years of prison for buggering a horse (as a court decided today), what should be the jail sentence be for that arsonist that desecrated the 9/11 memorial?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33621048/ns/us_news-weird_news/
48 - I assume you mean 44 is an apologist douche.
I wasn't apologizing for anyone...
--43
I was in school with Steve. Smart guy, very intellectual, nice, and not an annoying overly intense gunner.
My aunt used to work for the late Senator John Heinz. She recently told me that PE agreed to co-host a Manhattan fundraiser for Heinz in the 1980s. He promised to raise $25-50k from his Sullivan & Cromwell partners.
The event produced less than twenty attendees, half of whom were comped. And the campaign ended up incurring a loss on the night. Mr. "Peer Firm" struck out and hasn't been taken seriously since. Evidently a similar incident happened with Al D'Amato but I never got the details.
Steve Sanders was part of a litigation team that successfully handled the appeal of Donna Martin v. West Beverly High. He combined his legal skills with grass roots organizing to make sure that Donna Martin graduated with the rest of the class.
I was in school with Steve too. He helped us Keg House guys have the best parties. Except for that time his and my ex-girlfriend Kelly got fried up when our house caught fire.
- John Sears
Steve's a good friend of mine from law school. He is certainly not, as many others who know him have said already, a "gunner douche" by any means! In fact, we were blessed in my class at Michigan that many of the best students were also some of the best people around - and certainly Steve fits that description!
It was always Steve's goal to be an appellate lawyer, so good for him that he got to the top!
Steve is NOT a gunner-douche. He was one of the nicest guys in my law school classes. And, he WON the school's moot appellate court competition. He is scary smart and scary articulate. The experienced attorney on the other side would have been wise not to have discounted Steve based on the fact that he is a fourth year associate.
I met Steve once at an interview. He was very friendly. I'm glad to see his career is going well. Just because someone is successful does not mean they are a douche.
Go Blue!
After four years working in biglaw, this is what your typical 28 year old associate looks like.
Absolutely agree that Steve's an awesome guy. One of the nicest, most thoughtful people in our class. Very hard worker who deserves every opportunity that comes his way.
His picture looks
awesome--no way
could he ever be a douche!
Even with the mutual douche society of mutual admiration saying how cool he was.
56-60 = Steve Sanders (or Brenda Walsh?)
Of course, there was that very odd moment when her realized his zipper was down while standing before the court at attention. Only someone from Chicago could be so utterly stupid.
Was Steve able to inform the Court whether or not Mayer Brown is re-deferring its Class of 2009 associates?
That's all any of us want to know.
35 - that is the very question I asked myself.
I was actually at the argument today. No offense, but Mr. Sanders needs to work on his style - he was extremely monotone and his lack of vigor took away from the persuasiveness of his arguments. Plus, totally missed a softball from Scalia. Clement blew him away.
That said, sure he did better than I could...nonetheless, wouldn't get carried away lauding the man for his argument.
I think this is awesome. I am also going to be having Professor Sanders when he teaches at Umich Law next semester. He is teaching sexuality and the law! (I love it when my professors have practical experience)
He's not a fourth year associate. He's a fourth year associate that's FIFTY YEARS OLD!
Sorry, not impressed. Show me a fourth year associate that's twenty-something years old and that argues such a case and then I'll be impressed.
68- Exactly- I'm a 5th year lawyer and I was 6 when this guy graduated from college
Here's a blurb from his bio-
"Before law school, he worked for 15 years in higher education administration at Indiana University as Assistant to the Chancellor and an Assistant Dean of the College of Arts & Sciences"
Not many lawyers in their 20s or even 30s have that kind of experience
Good for him. Fuck the rest of you.
Good for Steve Sanders; but if there is justice, he will lose this case. Read the transcripts. He has a bad case and the swing votes will go against him.
When one of the justices suggested that Sanders is basically asking the SCOTUS to overrule Buckley, I knew it was over for the prosecutors.
When asked if another prosecutor in the office, but not involved in the actual prosecution, had committed the same acts would be liable, Sanders all but acknowledged the would be. The point the justice was clearly making is that the prosecutors acted in two different foles in this case and that they are not immune for their investigative and falsification of evidence/testimony.
Sanders also had no good answer for questions comparing this case to Kalina v. Fletcher.
I would even venture to guess that Scalia will vote against the prosecutors.
As a side not, Clement very badly mishandled a softball question from Stevens. Go to pages 39-40 of the transcript. At line 21, Clement should have simply said, "That's right" and saved himself a lot of grief from the followup questions.
66,
What about the softball question from Stevens that Clement blew, and the follow up opportunities on which he also whiffed?
From reading the transcripts, it's obvious that Clement was the better presenter even if he seemed to act as if he was more of a peer of the justices than simply an advocate.
I also think the the prosecutors will, and should lose their case.
Sanders, based on comments from those who claim they were classmates, seems to be a great guy, but he had a lousy case to present and maybe no one else in his firm with more experience wanted to defend these prosecutors because they are amongst the scummiest prosecutors one could imagine; right up there with the prosecutors in the Edwin Wilson case.
I imagine one of the worst moments for Sanders was when he was asked if any of these scumbag attorneys had been prosecuted or even sanctioned. The fact that they haven't been negates the claim by the petitioners that there are other penalties available to punish criminal/ethical misconduct. The fact is, prosecutors almost never pay a price for their criminal conduct.
73-
As I understand it from folks close to Steve, he got to argue for 3 reasons: First is that the partner assigned to the case, as you guessed, didn't really like the idea of defending these prosecutors. Second is that Mayer Brown likes giving its associates chances to shine, because they think it makes the firm look good (to law students? not to clients, I'd guess ... I'm just the messenger here). But most important, third, the client was satisfied with what he'd done so far -- he took over the appeal to the 8th Circuit after trial counsel had already filed shitty appellate briefs, handled the oral argument well, got the panel to adjust its decision somehow based on supplemental briefing (I don't know the details), wrote the cert petition -- they were all for him doing the SCOTUS argument.
Great article, thanks so much for posting it.
Great article, thanks so much for posting it.
Congratulations, Steve! I was a year behind him in law school, and while I didn't know him well, I can't imagine many fourth-year associates are more capable than he. Really nice guy as well.
This is Sanders chiming on. Re: 74, whoever has blabbed about private conversations I've had about this matter evidently got some wires crossed. Any partner's attitude toward the case was never a determining factor in my arguing. As was explained in the followup story that David Lat did Friday, 74's point #3 was by far the predominant factor.
Many thanks to law school classmates and friends for the kind comments. They mean a great deal.