UCLA Protest Follow Up: On The Ground at UCLA Law
Earlier today, we reported that protests over the proposed tuition hike at UCLA got a bit testy. But we also noted that the protests didn’t seem to include a lot of law students, even though their tuition is going through the roof as well. One friend had this apathetic response when asked about the protests:
Dude, I have finals. And my 2L grades matter because I’ll be doing 3L recruiting. Unless we’re protesting canceled summer programs, count me out.
We wanted to know how the law school generally was reacting to today’s festivities, so we reached out to the UCLA Student Bar Association President, Lenny Sandoval. We asked him why law student participation seemed lacking:
Being a third year with one foot out the door, it’s tough for me to give a totally representative view, but while I agree that the involvement of law students as a whole is a bit subdued, I think the reaction from the identity organizations and their leadership (Raza, BLSA, etc.) has been very supportive and vocal of the undergraduate led movements. Based on FB status updates and gChat blurbs I saw at least 6 or 7 people either returning from the protests or planning on going to the protests, so that’s something at least.
Sandoval also noted that law students need to be a little bit more careful when it comes to potentially getting arrested than college kids.
That’s certainly true, especially in this economy. There’s no sense having your tuition jacked up and hurting your chances at snagging a legal job.
But something other than fear and general apathy might be driving down law student participation in civil disobedience. We also spoke with UCLA Law professor Stephen Bainbridge and he notes that people at the law school might just be paying a little bit more attention to the general state of affairs with the U.C. system than your average college student.
Thoughts from Professor Bainbridge after the jump.
According to Professor Bainbridge, people could have seen this U.C. system crisis coming from a mile away:
The University is going through a rough patch, but the problem has been building for a long time. The California university system was founded on a premise of full state funding. Unlike private universities and many of the so-called public Ivies (e.g., Michigan and Virginia), the UC system had very low fees and made little effort to raise private endowment funds….It is now finally clear to anyone with eyes to see that the state will be a relatively modest source of funding in the future. So we are going through a period of finally adapting to that reality.
He notes that U.C. faculty are paying the price — along with the students — for the state’s lack of vision:
Students aren’t the only ones who are suffering either. The faculty is taking pay cuts of up to 10% (disguised as a so-called furlough). At the same time, our out of pocket costs for benefits—especially health insurance—have risen dramatically.So we’re all in the boat together. At the moment, we’re encountering some rough seas. But I think we’ll come out of it stronger, less reliant on state funding, with a bigger endowment, and competitive tuitions.
If the professor is right about this feeling that both students and faculty are in the same boat, it could go a long way towards explaining why some students don’t feel the need to take to the streets. “Students versus Fat-Cat Faculty” is the kind of program you can run on Spike TV. “Students versus Bureaucrats and Lackeys” doesn’t have quite the same ring to it.
Bainbridge reminds us that there are other law students in California that have more cause to complain than UCLA law students:
As far as UCLA law school goes, it’s true that our tuition has risen. But 92% of our J.D. students are receiving some type of financial aid. And, according to data from your own website, UCLA tuition currently is lower than both Berkeley and Irvine. The forecast through 2013 has UCLA tuition remaining below that of Berkeley and Davis, while being basically tied with Irvine.
Contrary to my prior post, it appears that UCLA law students are not “mad as hell.” Instead, it sounds like they are “vaguely annoyed by the general state of affairs.” If that’s how you feel, you’re not going to risk getting hit with a billy club.
It doesn’t appear that a whole lot of people think UCLA Law is facing any sort of crisis. Certainly, Bainbridge isn’t worried:
Indeed, I’m so confident in the long-term health of the UCLA law school that I turned down an opportunity to visit elsewhere next year and, as part of the agreement, committed not to consider other opportunities for the next 5 years. At my age (approaching 51), that probably means I’ll be a UCLA lifer. And I’m fine with that.
Cooler heads prevailed at UCLA today … so what other law school can we put on the “blood in the streets” watch list? Tulane? You guys haven’t been on Above the Law in forever.
The UCLA Tuition “Riot” [Professor Bainbridge]
Earlier: UCLA Students Protest Fee Hikes
Law School Tuition Hikes Spread Like Wildfires in California
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One foot out the door? I hope he puts that on his resume... "SBA President with one foot out the door, so I really didn't do shit, and this is just fluff. I'll totally blow you for a doc review position!"
One foot out the door? I hope he puts that on his resume... "SBA President with one foot out the door, so I really didn't do shit, and this is just fluff. I'll totally blow you for a doc review position!"
I hope you learn how to click the post button just one time, especially when not even clamoring for first ... unacceptable! ;)
Countdown in 3, 2, 1 of someone copying and reposting my post in 3, which evrenseven can't claim ...
There is no such thing as 3L recruiting
"one foot out the door" = "one foot in the grave"
Why are white people so disrespectful of authority and riotous?
Sandoval? The guy from New Detroit?
WSJ Law Blog for real news. Bitter Lawyer for entertaining commentary. ATL for.....?
Fact Cat Faculty. Is that a new PBS program for kids?
I applaud the students' enthusiasm, but you have to choose your battles wisely. When I was a 2L at UCLA, we decided to protest when the administration was planning to fire a particularly popular professor for making a series of pro-abortion comments that upset the Dean of Academics (a staunch Freedom of Choice supporter). The protest was going well until an undergrad pro-lifer wandered into the demonstration and a particularly surly 3L grabbed her arms and pushed her back against a light post. The undergrad screamed and spit in his face. This caused him to actually grab her forehead and start slamming the back of her head into the post. She was bleeding profusely as her body went limp. At this point, I had to do something so I whistled for a cab and when it came near the license plate said 'fresh' and it had dice in the mirror. If anything I can say this cab is rare but I thought 'Now forget it' - 'Yo homes to Bel Air'
sorry about that. I'm a little scatterbrained with tomorrow's results looming like ominous clouds threatening rain...
I've been more worthless the last couple days than usual. Every waking moment is consumed by what that website is going to say at 6 pm. There are what, 10,000 other people who feel the same? Does anyone know how many takers there were in CA?
The question is where will all of the lady bar passers be tomorrow night! I want to be there so I can see a certain thing that might get me fired if I uttered them ;)
I also could invite my homegirl Tila if that would help the other guys out, or the girls
Good luck ALL
3L recruiting. LOL. Good one.
What does it mean that he turned down an offer to visit another school and promised not to entertain offers for the next five years? Why does he owe them anything and have to sign what's basically a non-compete clause when turning down an offer?
What am I not understanding? (And yes, I do fully expect that this does make sense and I simply am too dumb to understand without someone explaining it to me)
It is important to note that by "financial aid," he means "student loans."
Professors are highly overpaid for the amount of work they do and I wouldn't be surprised if the faculty is pushing for higher tuition to offset the lack of state revenue.
Like law students, professors are in it for themselves.
Why should the professor care if students take an additional $50K in loans per year? They don't, because the professors salary will bloat by another 20% during that time while doing 20 hours of actual work (a gift) per week.
11, you are amazing!
11, why did pro-abortion comments upset a freedom of choice supporter?
elie, you are a complete fucking tool and this is the most credulous blog ever. between your judge-y posts (not direct quotes but "people interested in an elite school education at state school prices should get over the fact that they must work in biglaw for a while" (see, e.g., your berkeley post of a few hours ago; or "law students who don't tip don't know how hard the service industry is" (notwithstanding the fact that you have no idea how bad the service actually was for them to refuse to tip)). this shit is embarrassing. but then you just quote stephen bainbridge at length and conclude that the rest of the uc system is going to shit but ucla is ok? get the fuck out of here. atl is done. over. xoxo. th. over. you may get the page views but i don't know a single person who actually works in a law firm that takes this site seriously anymore.
peace,
4th yr. nyc.
We should all be protesting that our schools aren't reducing the tuition. Tuition ballooned and no one did anything. My tuition is twice what it was 7 years ago. Law school is way too expensive.
18 - It wasn't the nature of her comments, she just started making trouble in the neighborhood.
- 11
11 - because of posts like yours, I now read longer posts starting from the end. xoxo, hth
The rumor was that he turned down an offer from UVA. So I can only draw two conclusions from this:
1. He's not really in the "same boat" as UCLA students b/c he just received a sweet deal from UCLA to convince him to stay.
2. Or UVA's offer was so crappy that UCLA convinced him to stay even with a 10% pay cut and higher insurance premiums.
In any case, he seems to be overly rationalizing his decision to stay at UCLA a bit.
23: I think the key phrase in the professor's statement is:
as part of the agreement, committed not to consider other opportunities for the next 5 years.
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I would lean toward your first conclusion. If that really was his last chance to leave and not be a "lifer", then UCLA must have paid a hell of a tax.
How is Bainbridge in the classroom? Okay prof?
How does UCI charge more than UCLA?
Someone over at UCI must be a great salesperson.
24: If you're curious, all UC salaries are considered public information, can be found here:
http://www.sacbee.com/statepay/
I liked his class reasonably well. He's got an ideological bent and his class reflects it, but whatever.
I liked him less after I started reading his (generally thoughtful) blog, but mostly because of his occasionally lapses into the realm of born-again Catholocism.
Seriously, if you convert to that batshit religion as thinking and educated adult, something is deeply wrong with you. In fact, that's a decent rule for all people who consciously choose religion as an adult.
#20 has been in law school for seven years!?!?
Lenny is one hot piece of ass
I don't know what Prof. Bainbridge is smoking. The fact remains that for the same education, California law students will now be paying almost 5 times what the same education cost 10 years ago. I am a life time California resident with 2 kids in middle school, and the fact is that the state finds it more fitting to support the prision population than the future of our youth. California is sinking into the ocean much more rapidly than geologists would have you believe.
"Bitch, I aint gunna tip you cuz my ancestors wuz slaves!"
Lenny knows how to rock a Bar Review.
Lenny, stop talking to abovethelaw and start getting ready for our big game in the grad league on Sunday night.
31: I don't know what you're smoking. Have you been following any of the stories about how financially screwed the state of California is right now? I bet you're one of those people who was advocating all those stupid referendums to help the poor, save the whales, etc., but against higher taxes or any other way to pay for them.
Face reality -- California law students have been receiving a bargain at the states' taxpayer expense for decades now. Do you honestly think a Berkeley or UCLA legal education only costs the state $20k-$30k to provide? Look at the salaries of the professors of the schools -- it's not cheap to offer a top-caliber legal education, and you should consider yourself lucky that CA has been so generous for so many years.
But now, we're in a serious economic downturn, the state is near bankruptcy with huge deficits, and severe cuts needs to be made everywhere including the UC law schools. Sacrifices need to be made and yes, that includes CA heavily subsidizing its law students' educations. All CA has done is made the tuition rates more closely reflect the cost of providing a Berkeley or UCLA education.
You received a great deal for years, but it's no longer economically feasible for the state to provide that deal to students. Complain and cry all you want, but that's not going to help the state get past its economic problems. In the real world, there's something called scarcity and during down times, we all have to sacrifice. Having the state subsidize your legal education is not an entitlement.
Tuition will be ~$10K per year for a UC education...40K for 4 years. That's about the same price as a Volvo sedan, or a Ford pick-up truck.
Pay up if you want it.
I think Bainbridge got paid to stay. I don't think he's hurting.
The UC schools had a good run.
37: Most professors, especially name professors, make plenty and have all the job security in the world. If you check that UC salary list posted above, I doubt that Bainbridge will be hurting that much financially even if he is taking a 10% pay cut.
And, I don't see these tuition hikes hurting Berkeley that much -- people will pay that much to go to the second best west coast law school. However, they could hurt UCLA's competitiveness with USC. Either way though, UCLA will still be a solid option in LA. The other UCs will take the biggest hit -- this probably means the end of Hastings, Davis, and especially Irvine (sans another round of full ride scholarships) as good options for most students.
Lenny is the most amazing human being who ever lived
One thing to remember is that the UC system is rather selective, especially at the Berkeley and LA campuses. So while every California taxpayer pays into the system, not everyone will get to benefit from the system. The truth is that affirmative action means that the white and asian parents are paying for the black and hispanic kids, and then they have to pay a private university for their own kids.
I'm a 2L at UCLA and I didn't join the protest, though I'd obviously prefer lower tuition. I'm more panicked that law school is so expensive in the first place, and that fees were increased in the midst of an economic recession -- when I was one of the many students who did not fare well at 2L OCIP -- than I am angered out of principle about what sort of increases are fair. California is having massive budget issues and taxpayers voted against tax increases.
In addition to what Bainbridge said, UCLA Law has been increasingly moving towards privitazation. Unlike some other state law schools, only law students are permitted in the library. This is the only school I received substantial need-based aid from, which I even received again this year, despite the budget crisis. The school made it clear that they were able to continue offering financial aid because they are funded primarily through an endowment and contributions, so the state crisis did not have as much of an affect.
I might be more sympathetic to the undergraduate students, but $10,500 is just not very much to pay for a school of UCLA's caliber.
For those of who havent heard about PE yet, he died at Rick's Cabaret a few nights back after a massive heart attack. The funeral service was touching. Jake was a mess.
The worst of it though is that PE apparently depleted the family fortune and left a huge mountain of debt behind - no doubt from a result of his penchant for deviant sexual escapades and his susceptibility to pyramid schemes.
It appears that the status Jake has enjoyed for his entire life is gone. Even worse, PE's old firm has disavowed him after all of his misgivings came to light. As such, Jake no longer has an outstanding offer at his father's preeminent peer law firm. TImes is tough.
Incidentally, Jake has his Torts exam next Thursday.
UCLAW will be ranked in top 14 by next year. The administration and the alumni are really doing a sensational job of keeping the law school on par with the rest, inspite of the budget cuts.
There was no way UVA was gonna pay him much more than that. UVA prefers to hire young, future stars on the cheap (either from lower ranked schools or directly after scotus clerkships) then milk them for as long as possible until they're eventually poached by H/Y/C.
Sure, 43. And Fordham will soon break into the Top 20.
Speaking of rankings, Emory is CRUSHING Fordham and GW right now. Fordham is tied with Alabama. Every New Yorker's dream is to be tied with Alabama at something.
Damn, judging by the picture on the SBA site, Affirmative Walrus must have worn himself out pushing the refugee raft to the shores of Los Angeles.
Don't worry about your tuition, kids, you should be happy to be at a decent school considering you probably AAd in with a 150 LSAT.
If you want to practice in LA and you're comparing UCLA vs. some of the slightly higher ranked schools for the same price (now), the smart decision is to still go to UCLA.
I suspect that proportionally, there arent that many UCLA grads looking to relocate to Chicago/NYC. They would've (hopefully) chosen a reputable school in those regions.
"Raza, BLSA, etc." are racist organizations.
It has been a while since my last IP class, but isnt it wrong to make a satire site that entirely and exclusively uses the persons name that you want to satire? Doesnt there have to be some distinctiveness?
Oh well, who cares. That saint Louis pussy is going to have to spend a lot of time and money on lawyers now that the entire internet is after him.
http://www.kurtgreenbaum.com/
Still not enough people lamenting the loss of Partner Emeritus. I'm not letting off this. He needs to be back.
obama sucks
48: Some of the slightly higher ranked schools would be T14 schools as UCLA is right outside of it. If you the choice between a T14 and UCLA, you take the T14 even if you want to practice in LA. If you screw up at the T14, you have a lot more margin of error than if you screw up at UCLA.
The one advantage that UCLA had was its cheaper tuition, but if that's no longer the case, hell, might as go with the better ranked private school
Professor Bainbridge gets paid $263,702, he's not in the same boat.......
http://www.sacbee.com/statepay/
How's that hope and change working out for ya?
#8: A wing commander privateer reference?! Well done!
52 -
I am surprised your comment has not been removed. Anytime I say anything about B.O. - it gets taken off within seconds.
55 - Great. You have changed my hope into despair. I no longer have any faith in what you say or do. Thanks for nothing - Asshole.
Bainbridge makes 270K.
Did PE actually say he was done commenting?
If you idiots actually believe that this economy is Obama's fault, you are even dumber than I thought. Blame Bush and the GOP. Blame Congress and the Dems. Sh*t even blame Wall Street or ACORN. Whatever. But blaming this Obama is ridiculous.
If you idiots actually believe that this economy is Obama's fault, you are even dumber than I thought. Blame Bush and the GOP. Blame Congress and the Dems. Sh*t even blame Wall Street or ACORN. Whatever. But blaming this on Obama is ridiculous.
61 - Should we blame another Obama?
62 - You don't know what the hell you are talking about. STFU - blaming "this" on Obama is perfectly correct. Blame Bush? Bush tried to regulate mortgage backed securities - the dems wouldn't let him (influenced by money).
capital letters are not strong enough for this statement, but - FUCK OBAMA
63:
Precisely what is it that Obama had done to which you object so strongly?
You really can't blame Obama because he hasn't been in office long enough to be blamed. In a few years we'll find out if the stimulus did anything and what the impact of his other policies were. Blame or congratulate Obama then, not now.
Bainbridge really only makes 270k? I feel like he's an undervalued asset. Bainbridge is one of the most cited business law professors in the country. I thought he'd be in the 300s.
62-64: How did that brilliant Obama stimulus work out? We spent a record amount of money on random works projects to line the pockets of Obama's union cronies and fill the pork barrels of the areas that voted for him. And, now we're not even sure if any jobs were created except perhaps in the mythic 86th Congressional District. Now we're supposed to trust the government to manage our health care, when they barely could handle a car rebate program (the debacle that was cars for clunkers) or manage their own economic stimulus program?
I'm not saying that Obama was to blame for the initial recession, but his spending binges are only making things worse and damaging the nation's longer term fiscal health, which will only lead to a weaker economic position vs. other countries in the future. The answer isn't solely bailouts and increased government spending. The market fucked up, but now let's let it try to put itself back together, not weigh it down with all these ridiculous programs designed to sap value away from it (cap and trade, Obamacare, etc.)
Before Obama, I had Benjamins in my pocket. Now, all I have is change.
The UC system is falling apart. I think the regents are going to protect Berkeley and UCLA, the jewels in the crown, over the lesser UC schools. I would hate to be going to school at UCSD, UCSB, UCI, UCH, or UCSF right now.
If you're at Hastings, Santa Barbara, or Irvine think about transfering. Seriously, California is going down the crapper. Go to a better legal market.
I blame Arnold for this mess. FUCK ARNOLD.
68: It's that experiment in direct democracy, the CA referendum system that's to be blamed, not Arnold. Do-gooder liberals constantly pass expensive referendums to help the poor, save the whales, etc. But, when a referendum gets passed, CA has to find a way to fund it. Higher taxes? Nope, Californians don't want to pay them. So how is the state going to pay for all its wasteful referendum-related spending? There's your problem in a nutshell.
And really, how can you blame Arnold for all this? The CA state legislature is dominated by liberal democrats who are as spend friendly as the voters passing all those feel-good referendums. To paraphrase everyone's favorite religious figure, Reverend Wright: California's chickens are coming home to roost.
Ahhh 11, brilliant!
Mission Accomplished!
in my time at uclaw my tuition has risin 13k. i feel really bad for those that want to come in the future. especially if youre out of state. but i dont really feel like uclaw has been a 'public' university for quite awhile.
as for protesting, doesnt affect me enough to risk an encounter with those asshole cops. a couple of undergrads in my building almost got arrested at a protest yesterday for wearing masks. the cop actually said it was illegal, and if they didnt take them off he was going to arrest them. looked it up, wearing a mask is only illegal if your engaged in otherwise criminal activity. these 2 certainly were not. with those kind of asshole police out there, simply not important enough to my 3L, one foot out the door, ass to risk it. and why should lenny care? he was speaking on a personal level. It DOESNT AFFECT HIM.
Lenny is my President.
MysTTTal
Lenny is my hero.
71 - He accomplished a lot. What has the current asshat accomplished?
Welcome to the suck California- no more free or discounted passes
Hmmm....UCLA has a 419 acre campus. Maybe California should just shut the whole thing down and sell it off. They should be able to raise a couple billion, even in this crap economy. Berkeley is the real gem of the UC system anyway.
Um, isn't UCLA a public ivy, too?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_ivies
When did the UC system have these "very low fees" that Mr. Bainbridge claims? In-state tuition at UC law schools in 2004-2005 was 4x higher than at the state schools where my parents lived. I left California for that reason alone.
Rest in peace, PE. JaKe, good luck in that torts exam, you are now one of the cogs since you no longer have your father's fortune to rely upon.
I can understand why law students are not so keen about joining the protest. At UC Davis more than 50 students were arrested. Although the tuition hike is hard to swallow, it is not worth risking your bar application. I am sure an arrest record and civil disobedience conviction will not look good to the bar.
I wish I were in LA now so I could go protest. I need some way to distract me for the next 12 hours until the CA bar results come out. How are others spending their time? What are the chances of the website working at 6? We will not know until tomorrow will we.
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Maybe, except UCSF is clearly also a gem of the UC system. It is one of the best med schools in the country, consistently ranked even higher than Stanford and UCLA.
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Maybe, except UCSF is clearly also a gem of the UC system. It is one of the best med schools in the country, consistently ranked even higher than Stanford and UCLA.
The real question is that is the limit to a school's ability to raise tuition for currently enrolled students?
In Luquetta v. The Regents of the University of California (and another case the year before), professional students at the UCs won a $40 million judgement against the UC system for raising tuition, despite language in their literature that the tuition would not increase. Thhe CA SC denied to hear the appeal in 2008.
After the 2003-2004 academic year, the UCs removed the language regarding tuition increases from theri literature. However, I think there is still a reliance argument based upon reasonable expectations. For example, I think most of us would agree that if a school had a tuition of $45K, and them suddenly told it's rising 3Ls that they would need to pay $250K for the third year, that that would be close to extortion. So where is the line?
At a time when inflation is close to 0%, is a 20% rate hike reasonable? Was it foreseeable at the time students decided to enroll? What if a student had turned down a scholarship from another school in reliance on the current tuition + no more than a 10% rate hike?
It's probably time that universities and students agree upon the tuition for the next 3 consecutive years (which can increase each year) at the time of enrollment. Does that mean that you will have 2Ls and 3Ls potentially paying substantially different tuitions for the same academic year? Sure, but at least they would both matriculate having understood the costs from the outset.
[Corrected and updated]
The real question is: What is the limit to a school's ability to raise tuition for currently enrolled students?
In Luquetta v. The Regents of the University of California (and another case the year before), professional students at the UCs won a $40 million judgement against the UC system for raising tuition, despite language in their literature that the tuition would not increase. The CA SC denied the appeal in 2008.
After the 2003-2004 academic year, the UCs removed the language regarding tuition increases from their literature. However, I think there is still a reliance argument based upon reasonable expectations. For example, I think most of us would agree that if a school had a tuition of $45K, and then suddenly told its rising 3Ls that they would need to pay $250K for the third year, that that would be a breach of an implied contract. So where is the line?
At a time when inflation is close to 0%, is a 20% rate hike reasonable? Was it foreseeable at the time students decided to enroll? What if a student had turned down a scholarship from another school in reliance on the current tuition + no more than a 10% rate hike?
It's probably time that universities and students agree upon the tuition for the next 3 consecutive years (which can increase each year) at the time of enrollment. Does that mean that you will have 2Ls and 3Ls potentially paying substantially different tuitions for the same academic year? Sure, but at least they would both matriculate having understood the costs from the outset.
40: Prop 209 much?
88: Prop 209 just means that Berkeley has to be more subtle about practicing affirmative action. For example, its ridiculous emphasis on GPA (which can be easily obtained in junk majors like anything ending in the word Studies) over LSAT, all those invasive questions about your socioeconomic background used as a proxy for race (ex, how many friends did you have on food stamps, etc.). Look at the demographics at Berkeley Law -- clearly there's still some AA-like preferencing taking place. The only difference is that it can't be overt anymore.
71 - Jam it up your ass please you fucking has-been. We all know that the Dumbocrats have been in charge of Congress since 2006.
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I'm sorry guest #41 but when did any law student become more "need-based" than any other? I am so sick of law students being treated as if they're still high school students. My parents are rich but they aren't giving me a dime for my loan payments! Last time I checked my economic crisis wrist watch, every law student is under a mound of debt with little hope in securing a job to even scratch the surface of their overpriced JD education. I petition for whatever "need-based" grant fund to be allocated evenly over each student in every class. Fuck preemptive poverty. Now I'm poorer than you because you got your education for free.