at which school(s) can you elect to take a class pass fail instead of for a grade?

1L or 2L? Either way, taking Con law along with Evidence is cruel... And if your school makes you take Evidence 1L year, ouch.

We all had final exams back to back at one point. My evidence exam was immediately following real property. Just suck it up.

Guys in my high school used to pass/fail Evidence all the time. It was no bid deal.

Are you serious? You can't handle two exams scheduled on the same day?

Assuming you are talking about spring semester - just plan ahead and study accordingly. In short, more studying and less whining, please.

Thank you.

Guys in my high school used to pass/fail Evidence all the time. It was no big deal.

LOVE the "D.O." comment -- what a bunch of hippy bulls**t.

LOVE the "D.O." comment -- what a bunch of hippy bulls**t.

Because a prosecutor's office really makes hiring decisions based on a grade in evidence?

Prosecutor: so you graduated from law school, passed a bar, are warm blooded and want to be in prosecution?

Interviewee: yes.

Prosecutor: when can you start?

I have some experience in hiring for law firms. If an applicant who told me they wished to be a litigator had a Pass grade in Evidence, that probably would be a negative from my perspective although certainly not disqualifying. If they said they wanted to be a transactional lawyer or other non-litigator, however, I probably wouldn't put any weight on it.

Allowing students to use pass/fail, especially on core courses like evidence, is absurd. And then they wonder why they look like hand-fed idiots when competing with people who actually worked hard in law school.

P/F status is for pussies.

Evidence is a major class for litigators and it will hurt your hiring prospects if you only pass it. It will also hurt your hiring prospects if you have to tell interviewers you don't know how to manage your time well enough to handle 2 exams in 2 days (your situation is not that unique).

I'm not a big fan of pass/fail. I pass/failed on a 5 credit hour course - primarily because it was such a huge hit to the GPA if you didn't do well in it (and I was very protective of my GPA). Well, it turns out I not only got an A, but the highest grade in the class, so as a result, I didn't get the benefit of the 5 credit hour A to my GPA (which wouldn't have changed anything - I graduated summa anyway and wasn't ever going to unseat our valedictorian... had to settle for second regardless) but I also wasted the benefit of the pass/fail in my second year of law school when I could have used it to help me relax a bit in my third year. Save your pass/fail for a course where you (1) are certain you won't do well for a legitimate reason but you need, for some reason, to take the course and (2) have no intention of doing more than the bare minimum of studying. In your case, it just sounds to me like you're being lazy.

Who cares? You aren't getting a job either way.

I didn't think the D.O. comment made much sense.

If you're a neurologist, you're a board certified neurologist certified by the American Medical Association (which doesn't differentiate between the degrees).

The comment is similar to saying... "I went on a date many years ago with a "lawyer," only to discover he was a LLB (or LLM)!"

Oh the horror. Different degrees, same profession, same licensure.

Is it me? I read the post as there being a day in between exams.

"I have a Constitutional Law exam the MORNING BEFORE with the Evidence exam occurring the FOLLOWING AFTERNOON. "

If that's the case, I don't think the situation is all that unusual nor all that good of an excuse for coping out and taking a pass/fail.

If I'm not reading this language right and the exams are on the same day, then it looks bad on paper and even if you get a chance to explain your choice it's probably 50/50 whether people will give you a pass (get it, a pass).

Why do Black people always demand to take tests pass/fail?

17 = chiropractor with a knife

Moar pics of Kash's magical beaver, please.

Did Affirmative Walrus eat Partner Emeritus?

Do pass/fail and put an addendum on your transcript explaining the situation. Practising attorneys are very sympathetic to how hard law students work and rarely have projects and filings on consecutive days to worry about. Pussy.

why was there no acknowledgment that the retort was written by Elie? is he out today?

Save your pass/fail options for non-core courses, don't use them on bar subjects that you'll need to know later. I used mine on tax (2nd year) and secured transactions/commercial paper (3rd year), courses that I thought would be helpful but which I didn't really need for my intended practice area.

I took one course pass/fail my third year: international aspects of U.S. tax. I aced the exam and got a cynical "congratulations on your fantastic grade" card from the professor in the mail.

don't bet against yourself -- you've already placed a pretty big bet on yourself signing on to your law school debt -- why get scared now?

Is Mystal's middle name really Ying, as is being reported on the ABA Journal Blawg?

10 has no understanding of the realities of the job market right now. Every potential job source is getting slammed with resumes.

And The Dude should not take Evidence P/F. Is there some other less important class you can take P/F?

Didn't Harvard and Yale move to some sort of bull sh-t pass/fail system? If so, shouldn't some of you who go to great lengths to make sure we all know how "special" you are as graduates of these schools shut your pie holes and go back to whatever bull sh-t you are trying to make look like a billable matter?

as dumb as a pass in evidence looks, it is better than a C or some other horrible grade

To 17:

I think your D.O. analogy is a bit off. It's not that you find out a lawyer is actually an LLM. Rather, you find out that the lawyer is a TTT graduate, like our friend who can't take two exams in one day.

You can memorize all relevant FRE and caselaw in 8 hours or less. I can't believe anyone would take that kind of class pass/fail. Especially someone who wants to prosecute criminals and who will actually, you know, be in court every day.

Reading these comments convinces me this site is now populated by OL's and 1L's. Are you people fucking retarded? Evidence is difficult and if you don't know it ,pass/fail it. No one gives a fuck about 1 pass/fail grade as long as your other grades are good. Commenter 12 is the biggest retard of all. It's not like Evidence is the only course you take in law school buddy. Jesus fucking Christ.

At Michigan, you can Pass/Fail 15 credits after your first year (as long as you don't take any pass/fail clinics). I P/F'd a class each semester (No wonder I got zero calls for clerkship interviews).

TTT schools like Syracuse let students pass/fail core classes like Evidence + simultaneously let students take 6 credit hours of Clinic for an automatic A- for auto-boosting the GPA of "townies" who have NYC dreams, but Rochester possibilities. Lol. Also, I love the top Law Review people who DIDN'T transfer out- to top 20 schools, even though they could, but they thought that a top 10% = biglaw (you thought wrong - you should have transferred, and now have to carry the badge of TTT inferiority in life)

TTT schools like Syracuse let students pass/fail core classes like Evidence + simultaneously let students take 6 credit hours of Clinic for an automatic A- for auto-boosting the GPA of "townies" who have NYC dreams, but Rochester possibilities. Lol. Also, I love the top Law Review people who DIDN'T transfer out- to top 20 schools, even though they could, but they thought that a top 10% = biglaw (you thought wrong - you should have transferred, and now have to carry the badge of TTT inferiority in life)

Georgetown '10

"And even a fool knows that people who plead the Fifth have something to hide."

But see The Law.

If this dude can't deal with his exam schedule, he'll be failing the Bar multiple times anyway. If he even makes it through Barbri. That'll be too much homework for him.

--FlawLESS

35,36 Doug is that you?

33 - really? funny how you make fun of 1Ls b/c it sounds that you never went to law school at all

clerkship secure (for now)

17 is right, and Marin and 20 don't know what they're talking about. I have worked with plenty of D.O.'s, and not only are they as good as physicians with M.D.'s, but are generally nicer people.

40, your credentials were unneccessary.

Debevoise secure.

DO's are still smarter and better paid than most of us.

35, 36 no one wants to read your lame post twice. Hope you end up jobless and ultimately disbarred.

40, how does it sound like 33 never went to law school? He/she is absolutely correct.

-Not 33

35/36 is correct. If you just so happen to finish in the top 5-10% in your first year at a TTT, you must transfer to a legit school. Otherwise, how could clients trust your judgment?

A free ride at a TTT & graduating w/ honors < T12 school like Georgetown, Michigan, etc.

It would be irresponsible to stay- even if you made it to law review. You have to explain that decision for life.

Boy, dumb comments about DOs. You know that they have to do the same residencies as MDs, right? And as anybody who knows anything about med school will tell you, you don't learn shit about practicing your medical specialty in med school. You learn everything in residency.

Saint Peter,
What about purgatory? Isn’t it the ultimate curve?

36, How is Georgetown not a TTT?

no 22, PE disappeared because he is a 2L who has finals coming up.

35, 36 has to be joking bragging about transfering to Georgetown. Maybe people at TTT's who are on law review have connections to the city, or possibly, get a ton of ass.

Dear Dude:

Shut your mouth and assume the test-taking position. Two tests in two days? Bah. You have no right to complain until you've got three motions for summary judgment due on three successive days in three different courts. In other words, if (and that's a large, full-bodied "if") you get a job, then you can complain. You picked the classes, which means you knew the finals schedule months ago. We do not support those who complain about self-inflicted gunshot wounds.

Signed,

Publius

The thought should not even cross your fucking mind to pass/fail Evidence - that in itself is a fail. Man up, pull some all nighters, and take your B+. If you don't learn from you did wrong. Bad exam schedules happen all the time - don't be a pussy - just wait till you are in the "real world."

Thank you New York Senate for doing the right thing.

47 - It's true about residency, but that's not the point. The point is that a D.O. is a D.O. because he probably was not smart enough to get into med school. It's like saying that Harvard grads are like Cooley grads because, in any case, you learn on the job. Experience =/= Ability.

.......snarfle.....snarfle......snarfle........

Studying your ballz off, and getting C in Evidence < Pass/failing it

I once had a interviewer- look at a C on my transcript, and ask "what the hell happened here?" We laughed it off, I got offered the Job.

-Paul Weiss secure

Take the B- don't be yeller.

45

Pass/Fail a core class looks bad. I have never done it, but imagine an interviewer bringing it up. You better have a good explanation, and "back to back exams" is not one.

In my line of work, even a "B" sticks out, let alone an atrociously looking "P" or "S"

40

59-

NJ clerkship = TTTT

40,

NJ Superior Ct Clerkship = TTTT

Biglaw deferred

People take Evidence p/f at GULC. Does #36 even go to Georgetown?? Or is #36 just bitter about being no-offered to a deserving so-called "TTT" student?

-GULC '10

59 is wrong, No particular grade "sticks out" as long as your cumulative GPA is strong. Firms, and even judges, don't have the time or inclination to scrutinize each and every grade. Elena Kagan got a B- in Torts -- nobody cared b/c her total GPA was high and there was an upward trend.

As a former prosecutor, I don't think it matters if you take it pass/fail or not. The office I worked for never requested or checked transcripts or GPAs, they only cared about how you handled yourself in front of a jury.
That said, when I decided to move on to bigger and better things after 2 years, all the firms certainly wanted transcripts, and it would have looked bad to have a p/f in a major course.

In "your" line of work 59? What line of work would that be - lawyer perhaps? If not, GTFO and stop posting our blog.

Thanks.

I clerk in Oklahoma.

There can't be one practicing lawyer in this group. Smoke 'em if you got 'em, kids. Summer Associate hiring is done before you have the option to P/F classes, and by the time you want to lateral as a third or fourth year, nobody gives a flying fig about your transcript other than what's on the bottom line. Not that anyone would care, even when you were in law school. If you had a 3.7 in your 1L classes, and a 3.9 in your upper classes with P/F's as allowed, nobody will make any negative conclusions.

17 here.

31 - Agreed on our friend. I still think the analogy to different "law" degrees, including LLB (if you remember that far back) and LLM. Regardless of the name of the degree, you've fulfilled the prerequisite for the profession. The analogy might be flawed -- most are by their nature -- but I do believe it's still apt.

55 - Ah, falling back on the friendly ATL "TTT" commentary. Here's another one for you... Ability =/= 1 Standardized Test Score. There's a certain competency a doctor must have to be a certified specialist (like a neurologist). There's no corresponding competency to be a lawyer (sadly). And no, the bar doesn't count (assuming you practice -- you know better).

Think about how dumb and childish typing "TTT" is. Jesus. These virgins need to get a life.

Having done a lot of associate and clerk interviewing, I can tell you that the effect of a "pass" depends on the context. If your resume is otherwise strong, it is probably not going to be an issue. But if it is part of a clear pattern, then it can hurt you. Regardless, you should have a good explanation ready in case you are asked.

59,

What line of work are you in where a B sticks out? What are you a stripper with small titties? SHUT THE FUCK UP.

65

Why so angry/defensive? Let's face it, you'll never get my job and I don't want yours.

59/40 federal clerkship secure

The only Epic FAIL in this post is Marin's commentary.

"If your future clients discover that their you pass/failed evidence, they’ll probably . ."

. . not give a flying fuck.

"I went on a date with a “neurologist,” only to discover he was a D.O."

A D.O. is just as much a doctor as an M.D., Marin. Its not second-fiddle like a dentist. Or bullshit like a chiropractor (or TTT blog poster . . snap!)

Anonymously braggin about a federal clerkship on ATL=EPIC FAIL. hth 59.

Dear The Dude:

WHY DON'T YOU JUST PASS/FAIL ONE OF THE OTHER EXAMS INSTEAD - THEN YOU CAN CONCENTRATE ON STUDYING FOR EVIDENCE :0

YEAH, ELIE - AND THEN THE D.O. WHO THOUGHT YOU WERE A LAWYER FOUND OUT THAT YOU ACTUALLY JUST WRITE CRAPPY POSTS ON SOME BLOG

I was going to use mine on my absolute last course, Wills and Trusts. Then, at our Christmas party, my boss said "what do you have left, Wills and Trusts? D-. I don't care." So I took him up on it. I spent the remainder of the semester playing online poker in class, and the professor was incredibly egomaniacal and even though we were in California, insisted on teaching the Model Probate Code and English Common Law rather than California law. Then he gloated about how confusing and difficult his 86 question multiple choice exam was. So I walked into the exam not having read a word of a case and had as much knowledge about W&T as my dead grandfather. I made 86 random guesses and left. They don't fail anyone in a TTT private fall back school, right? Wrong. Got an F.

BUT- they had already qualified me to take the bar exam, because professors turn in grades after the Cal Bar requires qualification. That in and of itself is stunningly idiotic. Rather than face the embarrassment of "unqualifying" me, they just bumped me up to a D-. Oh, and W&T wasn't on the bar exam. Who wins? Me.

I took a Pass on Real Property Law in my 1L year. I am now a Real Estate partner in a very large NY firm. No one cares.

DOs are so much better than AllopaTTThic doctors. Marin for the lose.

64 --

You said: "The office I worked for never requested or checked transcripts or GPAs, they only cared about how you handled yourself in front of a jury."

So... they hired you based on your wealth of experience trying jury cases while in law school? Give me a break. If you're trying to become a prosecutor in a relevant or meaningful jurisdiction, they'll ask for your transcript. And a pass/fail grade in evidence will hurt. Period.

55, you realize to get a residency, both DOs and MDs have to take the same USMLE exams, right? The higher the USMLE results, the better the residency.

To get the same residency, a DO has to score higher than an MD because of prestige (despite the fact that the #1 DO program is one of the top 10 med schools in the country.

Ergo, the DO who had the same residency as an MD is /smarter/ than the MD because the DO scored higher than the MD on the USMLE Steps 1 and 2.

Since the USMLE is actually graded, and higher scores matter (unlike the bar exam), your argument about the MCAT is like saying someone who went to Harvard UG and Pepperdine LS is smarter than someone who got into Pepperdine UG and HLS because the Pepperdine LS had a higher SAT.

More recent tests are more probative.

CLERK MARRIED TO DOCTOR SECURE

I am examining my colon with my web cam right now.

70 - Exactly. I've reviewed dozens of resumes for summer associate positions and if the grades are otherwise excellent, I could care less about a P/F in Evidence.

v15 attorney

douchebag: a D.O. who is a nuerossurgeon is a lot closer to a doctor than an asswipe with a JD with a blog. go practice law.

d&*chebag: a D.O. who is a nuerosurgeon is a lot closer to a doctor than an asswipe with a JD who blogs is to a lawyer. go practice law.

78

That was 40 years ago when everybody could get into law school and make partner afterward, even, for instance, you.

Dear Dude,

I had the same choice earlier this semester. At my school you have to decide whether to pass/fail a class within a week of the end of add/drop period, and evidence is not a required course. I wasn't really interested in litigation, but I wanted to do mock trial (only offered in the fall) just to experience it, so i figured i needed to take evidence this semester. The only prof i could take it with was a total bore in class and had a reputation as a GPA killer. I ultimately decided to take it pass fail, and am happy that i don't have to worry that much about it next week. I landed a summer gig at a mid size litigation shop earlier this semester (turns out that I like litigation, and am pretty good), so the question of the pass fail didn't come up. If it does come up in the future I can always explain how I took the course for mock trial and didn't think I would be interested in litigation until afterwards. It would be a lot harder to explain away a C.

T2 2L

I am desperate for a way to distinguish you fools from each other. I will grasp on to anything particularly as grades are now meaningless at most schools. Pass/fail = lazy.

Also, who told you people to include those ridiculous personal sections at the bottom of your resumes? Each year I "no offer" fifteen or twenty people because of the foolishness they put on the bottom of their resumes. "Enjoy movies, trying new restaurants, the New York Giants and the Sunday New York Times" = no offer.

Hiring Partner

M.D.: Knows how to perform an appendectomy. Knows that leaving surgical implement in patients after performing an appendectomy is malpractice. Scrupulously counts surgical implements going into and coming out of patient. Does not close untill implements out = implements in.

J.D.: Does not know how to perform an appendectomy, but knows that leaving a surgical implement in a patient is malpractice by the surgeon, his team, and his hospital. Will sue or settle accordingly.

D.O.: Does appendectomy. Closes up. Realizes surgical implement is left in patient. Wonders what to do. Has brilliant idea. Rubs patient's scar.

88 -

Thanks for the input! I love the hat your wear in those TV commercials.

I can see why some people might think a D.O. is inferior to an M.D. if they read up about the roots of D.O. and OMM.

However, in the present, D.O.'s basically do the same exact thing as M.D.'s with residencies and all that. D.O. students have the option of taking the D.O. specific boards or the M.D. boards.

36 - I hope you slip on ice while walking into your bar exam and end up in a wheel chair unable to motivate your crippled body to practice anything but public interest law.

Save pass/fails for classes that must be p/f'd (for mine, any class taught by adjuncts had to be p/f) or for courses that are irrelevant to your intended field of practice.

<~ 99 in evidence at a T1

Stop being a mental midget and ace both exams you wuss.

Manhattan DA=notoriously competitive, will scrutinize transcripts.

The D.O. comment proves your lack of sophistication, Marin.

It's only a shame you didn't stick with him. His $450,000-$750,000 neurosurgeon salary could have complemented your $worthless blogger salary.

I know AU-WCL didnt allow students to pass/fail anything. When I asked to do so for corporate tax, the registrar looked at me like "you wanna do what know?" I stood there dumbly as my undergrad I knew had the option for non-major and non-gen ed classes (so you could only P/F a limited number of times and only for a pure elective). I think thats what P/F is for, allowing someone to do a class they ordinarily wouldntve taken, but it should not be allowed on certain courses like requirements (even tho evidence is not required at all law schools, i would saw it is too important and a core law school course to be eligible for pass/fail).

I applied for shaFeef's firm and was not given an offer because I pass/failed my riparian rights class.

Seriously. This isn't even a question. NO ONE will care if you pass/fail an exam - any exam. For any reason. At all. But for the record, you have a day in between to study. If you can't hack two exams in two days, then perhaps you are not cut out for the practice of law, where we are called on each day to perform multiple tasks, some of which have greater immediate consequences than a stupid law school exam. I've been in practice for 5 years (4 with a large firm, 1 in house) and have interviewed a lot of different candidates, both for summer associate positions and lateral candidates. Never looked at the transcript beyond the GPA and rank, and if I glanced at it at all, it was really just to see what they took to make sure they weren't sitting on their thumbs for three years in terms of their course selection. EPIC Fail for even bothering to ask the question, and an even more EPIC Fail to those who said anyone would actually care. Only reason to pass/fail is to protect your GPA - NOT so you can watch television or take a nap instead of studying like everyone else is.

All the TTT transfer comments are clearly from those who either could get in to a T10 school to begin with, or those who wish they had. Partied undergrad, took the scholarship to local TTT with good presence in my metropolitan area, made law review, clerkship and deferral for BIGLAW. Except I have no student loans to pay back now.
HTH -- can jump out of biglaw when I please, and not sweating the start date. TTT

All the TTT transfer comments are clearly from those who either could get in to a T10 school to begin with, or those who wish they had. Partied undergrad, took the scholarship to local TTT with good presence in my metropolitan area, made law review, clerkship and deferral for BIGLAW. Except I have no student loans to pay back now.
HTH -- can jump out of biglaw when I please, and not sweating the start date. TTT

What about a B versus a pass in a less important class? Is there any consensus on which looks better/worse?

98. You have no idea how big firm hiring is done. You are giving bad advice. We pay attention to the details of the transcript because we need ways to distinguish among you.

101. Pass = lazy. B = not that smart. Either way I am not hiring you.

Hiring Partner

Guess what, I went to T50 school, I never even took Evidence. I passed the NY bar with the bar-bri prep. Then I worked for USDNY Judge after law school, that was the last time I heard anyone even remotely ask me an evidence question. I do corporate transactions/IP work in-house now -- what's the point of taking Evidence?

Guess what, I went to T50 school, I never even took Evidence. I passed the NY bar with the bar-bri prep. Then I worked for USDNY Judge after law school, that was the last time I heard anyone even remotely ask me an evidence question. I do corporate transactions/IP work in-house now -- what's the point of taking Evidence?

I went on a date with a “journalist,” only to discover she was a blogger (through a Google search).

that one hurt.

Funny about the D.O. Kind of shows how ignorant some people are about medical education. One's medical degree is just the beginning of her medical education/testing. Wife is a D.O. who got a radiology residency at a top hospital and a fellowship at an even better hospital. They didn't care that she was a D.O., but yeah, you should. She had to take five rounds of boards over her 10 year post-ugrad education, but she'll be pleased to find out she's dumber than a family practice MD.

Funny about the D.O. Kind of shows how ignorant some people are about medical education. One's medical degree is just the beginning of her medical education/testing. Wife is a D.O. who got a radiology residency at a top hospital and a fellowship at an even better hospital. They didn't care that she was a D.O., but yeah, you should. She had to take five rounds of boards over her 10 year post-ugrad education, but she'll be pleased to find out she's dumber than a family practice MD.

If you're applying to an even mildly competitive prosecutor's office, you will not get an offer by pass-failing evidence. Period.

In response to comments 35-36: I am "top law review kid" who is in the top 5% at Syracuse, and I DID get a big law job and know at least two people who transferred to top 20 schools who did NOT get a big law job at a top 200 firm, so I guess will wear my badge of "inferiority" with pride next summer when I am making some $$ and the people who bailed are praying they get a stipend.

88,

Career Services insisted on that stupid interests section over my objections. T6 Career Services.

I love the DO comment, I'm taking over my father's practice debt free, starting at 7 figures, enjoy defferal, I mean big law. I'll take my 1.2 out of the gate. Enjoy big law/defferal, doc review or the exciting world of pi. BTW, the average DO is taking in 3 times more than the average JD and has a 3.45 in the sciences you liberal arts majors at the T14 don't seem to be able to post those numbers. Sincerely,
A DO

109: Couple of questions. If you are so smart- why did you bomb the LSAT? and if you did, why didn't you take it twice...and if you bombed it twice...and a TTT finally accepted you...and you worked hard to be in the top 5%..why didn't you work hard in the first place to get a strong score- I know why: either 1) you aren't that smart or 2) you are lazy. I take 2.
Remember, your ranking is relevant only against your peers- SO it is like winning a Miss Appalachia Beauty Contest...

Nevertheless, your inadequacy will show this at your SA position when you are up against HYS students who will eat you for lunch- remember- you aren't the best and the brightest in law school- just at YOUR law school...and enjoy the subsequent no-offer.

The bottomline is- if you think that $$$ is the score card for prestige- you are short sighted...your TTT degree will limit you career potential.

You made a HUGE mistake not transferring. After a strong 1st year, you probably could have gotten a degree from Chicago, Columbia, NYU, Penn, Berkeley, Michigan and so forth... and no one would EVER question your intellect- and you could even clerk for the Supreme Court- or pick the firm you want ANYWHERE...but instead - you saw the quick money, and will graduate with a subpar degree- and the lack of respect in the legal community, the public, and your clients. Good luck. I hope you have a back up plan.

NYU '11

112 is right

in life a median GPA at the following institutions

GULC > Syracuse top 5 %
Chicago > " top 1%
NYU > " top 1%
Penn>"top

You could have been a graduate of a number of top 10 schools...and had a limitless future...but now you are limited to a shrinking market- and alumni base which is weak...
Poor choice..

Imaging how this sounds:

My name is John Doe, and I just graduate with a law degree from Columbia. Bang- respect!

or " from Syracuse- umm, good basketball team, i guess...lol

No one should apologize for finishing first in Miss Appalachia.

Wait- someone COULD but DIDN'T transfer from Syracuse to Columbia, Chicago, NYU, Northwestern? How is that possible? Who could be that dumb?

That's like defending an associate degree from Devry v. going to Princeton.

Would 109 pass the character and fitness if their judgment is so bad?

HOLD ON EVERYONE, let me get this straight.

I am top 5% at 'Cuse. and I may transfer to Northwestern, Chicago, NYU, Columbia, or even Georgetown- and could either take those degrees and 1)clerk at the high court 2)prestige biglaw 3)future professor....

But I chose to stay at 'Cuse?----------> FML

actually not just FML, FM kid's lives too.

117- played well

There's no asterisks in this life...only scoreboards. And ours is reading 'fucked.'

I guess nobody had a problem with Marin needing a freakin' Lexis search to check up on her date's credentials. Does all this attention to grades and schools result in permanent lack of confidence in one's own judgment, or is it just a passing thing? ...oh, that's right, we're talking EVIDENCE here. Sorry.

111,

My penis hurts. Will you rub it?

Thanks,
--89

You guys know that even when you look at acceptance percentages at DO schools the numbers between them differ by a point or two on the MCAT and nothing on GPA.

And ITE its pretty much 4.0 - 36 on MCAT to get into ANY medical school now, and that even if you get in Residency spots are actually dropping.

Not to mention that USMLE scores are still hugely important, as the number of osteopathic residencies are few and far between. If you got to a family practice, of course you wouldnt have them cut you open. Their most likely there because they couldnt match to a cushy derm residency. If, however, you go to Mass General to get treated for cancer and are seen by a DO, its pretty clear that they did okish on their USMLE, despite the letters after their name.

Blogger>DO

81 -

Most DOs don't take the USMLE. They have their own licensing exam (COMLEX) and licensing board. They also claim that their exam is so much harder than the USMLE. Inferiority complex?

Don't think twice about taking a class or two pass/fail. Nobody cares. It basically lets you completely blow off a couple of classes in your 3rd year, when you're more interested in doing other things anyway.

Dear 109,

Just so you know, 2L GULC students don't have to hope for a stipend. It's guaranteed. Thank you and next time please try to be more informed. Also, Georgetown does not encourage all of its students who can to go big law, because prestigious clerkships, high government positions, and the general ability to do the right thing are all available. Additionally, I truly wish you the best and hope you enjoy your summer job. Be sure to work hard to prove yourself around your degree.

Dear 109,

Just so you know, 2L GULC students don't have to hope for a stipend. It's guaranteed. Thank you and next time please try to be more informed. Also, Georgetown does not encourage all of its students who can to go big law, because prestigious clerkships, high government positions, and the general ability to do the right thing are all available. Additionally, I truly wish you the best and hope you enjoy your summer job. Be sure to work hard to prove yourself around your degree.