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	<title>Comments on: Hey, Lady Lawyers: Have We Got a Conference for You&#8230;.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree that this &quot;panel discussion&quot; sounds like a joke. If it&#039;s not, well then I guess we still have a long way to go. i certainly wouldn&#039;t attend. Adele Bernhard
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree that this &#8220;panel discussion&#8221; sounds like a joke. If it&#8217;s not, well then I guess we still have a long way to go. i certainly wouldn&#8217;t attend. Adele Bernhard</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 89:  First of all, kudos to you for phrasing your comment in a respectful manner.  I think that yes, the idea of approaching this lack of advancement by women is not in itself a negative idea.  The problem is that instead of a panel on why negative stereotypes exist and how everyone can work together to subvert them, we&#039;re getting a panel that seems to be saying it&#039;s women&#039;s fault that a lot of people in the legal field are misogynistic.  I realize that&#039;s not true of everyone, but the vast number of trolls and generally angry people on this list attests to the existence of this hatred toward women.  (Note to true misogynists, if you really wanted to win your argument, you&#039;d stop trolling this kinda stuff.  Seriously, you&#039;re making people aware of sexism and woman hating who may have had no idea before you did it) .  This metaphor is probably going to end up causing a lot of unpleasant trolling, but a similar discussion revolves around the question of rape, and how women are frequently blamed for being raped.  Yes, we should address the prevalence of rape in our culture, no we should not do so by saying that it&#039;s women&#039;s fault for existing and having female genitals.  Anyway, hope that helps, and I really liked the way you phrased your comment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 89:  First of all, kudos to you for phrasing your comment in a respectful manner.  I think that yes, the idea of approaching this lack of advancement by women is not in itself a negative idea.  The problem is that instead of a panel on why negative stereotypes exist and how everyone can work together to subvert them, we&#8217;re getting a panel that seems to be saying it&#8217;s women&#8217;s fault that a lot of people in the legal field are misogynistic.  I realize that&#8217;s not true of everyone, but the vast number of trolls and generally angry people on this list attests to the existence of this hatred toward women.  (Note to true misogynists, if you really wanted to win your argument, you&#8217;d stop trolling this kinda stuff.  Seriously, you&#8217;re making people aware of sexism and woman hating who may have had no idea before you did it) .  This metaphor is probably going to end up causing a lot of unpleasant trolling, but a similar discussion revolves around the question of rape, and how women are frequently blamed for being raped.  Yes, we should address the prevalence of rape in our culture, no we should not do so by saying that it&#8217;s women&#8217;s fault for existing and having female genitals.  Anyway, hope that helps, and I really liked the way you phrased your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome. Now BigLaw will go on a huge &quot;diversity&quot; kick, and kick my post-graduation plans in the balls. White, male, and straight....damn!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome. Now BigLaw will go on a huge &#8220;diversity&#8221; kick, and kick my post-graduation plans in the balls. White, male, and straight&#8230;.damn!</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>164 - Not sure if you&#039;re aware, but most males have to go through that pretty much constantly from about the age of fifteen on, getting lectured by females on the proper way to act and behave around females and how to make them more comfortable and adjust ourselves to their needs.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>164 &#8211; Not sure if you&#8217;re aware, but most males have to go through that pretty much constantly from about the age of fifteen on, getting lectured by females on the proper way to act and behave around females and how to make them more comfortable and adjust ourselves to their needs.</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Samuel Johnson famously said, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.  Don&#039;t know whether he was an attorney or not....I honestly believe these fellows thought they were being helpful and &quot;pro-woman.&quot; But it is a good barometer of the gap that still exists in communication between the sexes that so many guys who have posted here can&#039;t understand why this was offensive.  How would YOU like to be lectured by a gaggle of female attorneys about how you&#039;re not sensitive and emotional enough and think too much about money and status?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Samuel Johnson famously said, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.  Don&#8217;t know whether he was an attorney or not&#8230;.I honestly believe these fellows thought they were being helpful and &#8220;pro-woman.&#8221; But it is a good barometer of the gap that still exists in communication between the sexes that so many guys who have posted here can&#8217;t understand why this was offensive.  How would YOU like to be lectured by a gaggle of female attorneys about how you&#8217;re not sensitive and emotional enough and think too much about money and status?</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe diversity is an old, old wooden ship, used during the civil war era.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe diversity is an old, old wooden ship, used during the civil war era.</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad I don&#039;t know any of you
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad I don&#8217;t know any of you</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are all idiots.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are all idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The feminist issues aside, I love how 25 minutes will be devoted to teaching skills like legal analysis, brief writing, client counseling and negotiation.
To think, it cost me a small fortune and 3 years of law school for the kind of education that the girls will distill into 25 minutes...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The feminist issues aside, I love how 25 minutes will be devoted to teaching skills like legal analysis, brief writing, client counseling and negotiation.<br />
To think, it cost me a small fortune and 3 years of law school for the kind of education that the girls will distill into 25 minutes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. All of this over a group of women stepping outside the typical panel style and having men give their perspective after the women present theirs first.
Does anyone know if the proposed moderator is a women? If so then its not just men because if its a woman she will be moderating/directing the panelists. If a man oh well I still don&#039;t see why you can&#039;t hear from both sides.
Second. If the state bar has changed the panel, what about those folks that signed up for the original panel?
Third. Did this professor reach out to the chairs and committee people before she began this tirade of did she act in what is seen as stereotypical female reaction - screaming bloody hell without getting the facts.
Lastly. Why do the people who have a problem with this, feel they are justified in attacking a group of their own, WOMEN who seem to be working for the common good of their agenda. Last I checked these are not paying positions and programs don&#039;t happen over night. and from the looks of these blogs and the emails I have seen. Noone has talked to the women that worked to create this CLE.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. All of this over a group of women stepping outside the typical panel style and having men give their perspective after the women present theirs first.<br />
Does anyone know if the proposed moderator is a women? If so then its not just men because if its a woman she will be moderating/directing the panelists. If a man oh well I still don&#8217;t see why you can&#8217;t hear from both sides.<br />
Second. If the state bar has changed the panel, what about those folks that signed up for the original panel?<br />
Third. Did this professor reach out to the chairs and committee people before she began this tirade of did she act in what is seen as stereotypical female reaction &#8211; screaming bloody hell without getting the facts.<br />
Lastly. Why do the people who have a problem with this, feel they are justified in attacking a group of their own, WOMEN who seem to be working for the common good of their agenda. Last I checked these are not paying positions and programs don&#8217;t happen over night. and from the looks of these blogs and the emails I have seen. Noone has talked to the women that worked to create this CLE.</p>
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