Could the full faith and credit clause actually have some teeth? Apparently in Maryland, it does. The Washington Post reports:
Maryland Attorney General Douglas F. Gansler (D) says effective immediately the state recognizes same-sex marriages performed elsewhere and state agencies should begin giving gay couples the rights they were awarded elsewhere.
Memo to gay D.C. power couples: Silver Spring is a very nice community and an easy commute into the District.
Gansler: Effective immediately Md. recognizes same-sex marriages performed elsewhere [Washington Post]
CHECK YOU DISCREEEEEETS
First! to say that DC is not a state and deserves no credit
CHECK YOU TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION
How soon will the courts overturn this unilateral decision?
How soon will the public vote to overturn this decision, and remove this activist from office?
What a joke…the vast majority of the population rejects this behavior, and will continue to reject it.
Nancy Elliott, a state representative in New Hampshire, wants to ban same-sex marriage in that state—where it’s been legal for less than three months—and here’s her reasoning: “We’re talking about taking the penis of one man and putting it in the rectum of another man and wiggling it around in excrement. And you have to think… would I allow that to be done to ME?”
4 clearly doesn’t understand Maryland
ff&c ftw!
6–You clearly don’t understand Massachusetts.
I suppose Maryland needed to attract some folks in gay marriages to make up for the budget shortfall caused by questionable payments to the former dean of the law school.
Stinks like gaping buttsecks in here.
Anyone have a link to AG Gansler’s opinion?
Does the full faith and credit clause mean that states should honor law licenses granted by other states as well as marriage licenses?
http://www.oag.state.md.us/Opinions/2010/95oag3.pdf
4 is a closet homosexual.
Good decision.
4 is a closet homosexual.
Good decision.
Elie, full faith and credit has absolutely nothing to do with marriage. It has to do with judicial proceedings. Marriage =/= Judicial Proceeding. Divorce judgments can invoke full faith and credit and be enforceable in another state, because they involve a judicial proceeding. Marriages, not so much.
16 – Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
the act of marrying is public, and the recording of the certificate makes for a public record.
to number 2.
DC may not be a state but 28 USC section 1738 specifies that full faith and credit refers to all jurisidictions in the U.S.
“The records and judicial proceedings of any court of any such State, Territory or Possession, or copies thereof, shall be proved or admitted in other courts within the United States and its Territories and Possessions by the attestation of the clerk and seal of the court annexed, if a seal exists, together with a certificate of a judge of the court that the said attestation is in proper form. ”
so please just think before say something as ass shit as that
18 – 16 here. Fair enough, but it’s never been interpreted that way when it comes to marriage. States have never been required to recognize marriages performed in other states if their marriage laws differ.
16 – 18 here.
that the states have never been required to recognize marriages performed in other states is not evidence that marriage is outside of the purview of the full faith and credit clause; it is evidence that the federal and state governments have been in violation of the full faith and credit clause.
Doods, full faith and credit doesn’t apply for same-sex marriage, per Defense of Marriage Act.
Doods, full faith and credit doesn’t apply for same-sex marriage, per Defense of Marriage Act.
Uggg. This is just terrible. What’s happened to our country and decent family values? Difference in conservatives and liberals is that conservatives will be who they are in their private lives and not push it on others. Liberals will demand that everyone adheres to their beliefs–I don’t eat meat, so you can’t either, I like the same sex, so you must also.
Our country is ruined. Way to go.
22/23 –
An act of congress can’t nullify a provision of the Constitution. You can’t say “full faith and credit doesn’t apply.” It’s the damn Constitution. It always applies. Whether a court would say so is, of course, another story.
16
This is Trigish. FF&C has nothing to do with marriage licensing – does the FF&C clause require Maryland to recognize an Arizona concealed handgun license? Or a law license from California?
To be fair, DOMA cannot alter the constitution IF (big if here) full faith and credit would apply. You’d have to Amend the constitution.
Tell David to get in the snow cave
@24
Was that a joke? How is conservatives’ attempts to restrict civil rights to people based upon what they do in their private lives not pushing their private beliefs onto others? How does two gay men or women getting married impact you personally?
You’re pathetic.
4 – “the vast majority of the population” rejects a lot of things that you nonetheless have the right to do. You don’t need to obtain the consent of your neighbors for every freedom you enjoy.
You’re missing the point of America.
I’m 100% for same-sex marriage and think the amount of animosity many people have toward it is preposterous.
That said, I really don’t see how Gansler’s opinion gets past Md. Code, Family Law § 2-201, which explicitly states “Only a marriage between a man and a woman is valid in this State.”
Gansler’s opinion basically tries to argue that this section does not prohibit Maryland’s recognition of out-of-state same-sex marriages because it doesn’t establish a clear Maryland public policy against recognizing such marriages. I think that, at a minimum, this proposition is a stretch considering the relatively clear language of the statute.
Although I like Gansler quite a bit, I would not be surprising if there is a bit of political posturing going on here.
22/23 and 25-
DOMA only says that states NEED not recognize gay marriages, they however CAN choose to. Maryland here has decided to.
22/23 and 25-
DOMA only says that states NEED not recognize gay marriages, they however CAN choose to. Maryland here has decided to.
Got news for you #4: Doug Gansler will be governor of Maryland come January, 2015.
Oh, and the majority of people are fine with gay marriage, so feel free to come out the closet.
Got news for you #4: Doug Gansler will be governor of Maryland come January, 2015.
Oh, and the majority of people are fine with gay marriage, so feel free to come out the closet.
Elie,
Silver Spring? Seriously? Everyone knows the credited close-in suburb is Bethesda. Really.
Of course 24 is a joke. Or is he? The last year has proved to me that conservatives are even more imbecilic than I ever realized.
Why do same-sex supporters argue their position by saying everyone that doesn’t agree with them is a closet queer?
Why do liberals use the term teabag to describe the tea party movement? Are they saying the acts generally perfomed by two homosexual men is something to be ashamed of?
@ 29
You must know that same-sex marriage affects everyone. Maybe it doesn’t impact everyone to the same degree, but it does impact everyone in the sense that it affects the society and culture of which we live. I think to argue otherwise would be to ignore reality. This is a big deal; that’s why we are fighting about it!
You may think that permitting same-sex marriage is a positive thing, but to say that I should support same-sex marriage too because it doesn’t “impact me personally” is a poor argument. Who are you to determine what does and does not impact me personally? If I thought it didn’t affect me, maybe I would be inclined to support same-sex marriage, and that is a determination I will make, not you. And I think it does affect me; it affects our American culture. I’ll be damned if I don’t have a stake in that! And you, as an advocate, would do well not trying to take that away from people.
Finally (sorry for the long post), I wish to note how you reinforced what 24 was saying when he said you (assuming you are a liberal) push your beliefs on to other people. Anybody who doesn’t agree with what you think is pathetic? Hmm.
Note: I do not debate the merits of same-sex marriage, only that I wish to be able to express my opinion without being told that it doesn’t “impact me personally.” It does.
@ 29
You must know that same-sex marriage affects everyone. Maybe it doesn’t impact everyone to the same degree, but it does impact everyone in the sense that it affects the society and culture of which we live. I think to argue otherwise would be to ignore reality. This is a big deal; that’s why we are fighting about it!
You may think that permitting same-sex marriage is a positive thing, but to say that I should support same-sex marriage too because it doesn’t “impact me personally” is a poor argument. Who are you to determine what does and does not impact me personally? If I thought it didn’t affect me, maybe I would be inclined to support same-sex marriage, and that is a determination I will make, not you. And I think it does affect me; it affects our American culture. I’ll be damned if I don’t have a stake in that! And you, as an advocate, would do well not trying to take that away from people.
Finally (sorry for the long post), I wish to note how you reinforced what 24 was saying when he said you (assuming you are a liberal) push your beliefs on to other people. Anybody who doesn’t agree with what you think is pathetic? Hmm.
Note: I do not debate the merits of same-sex marriage, only that I wish to be able to express my opinion without being told that it doesn’t “impact me personally.” It does.
@ 29
You must know that same-sex marriage affects everyone. Maybe it doesn’t impact everyone to the same degree, but it does impact everyone in the sense that it affects the society and culture of which we live. I think to argue otherwise would be to ignore reality. This is a big deal; that’s why we are fighting about it!
You may think that permitting same-sex marriage is a positive thing, but to say that I should support same-sex marriage too because it doesn’t “impact me personally” is a poor argument. Who are you to determine what does and does not impact me personally? If I thought it didn’t affect me, maybe I would be inclined to support same-sex marriage, and that is a determination I will make, not you. And I think it does affect me; it affects our American culture. I’ll be damned if I don’t have a stake in that! And you, as an advocate, would do well not trying to take that away from people.
Finally (sorry for the long post), I wish to note how you reinforced what 24 was saying when he said you (assuming you are a liberal) push your beliefs on to other people. Anybody who doesn’t agree with what you think is pathetic? Hmm.
Note: I do not debate the merits of same-sex marriage, only that I wish to be able to express my opinion without being told that it doesn’t “impact me personally.” It does.
The gay agenda:
1.) Turn the children of conservatives gay.
2.) ???
3.) Profit!
40/41/42/43…
You might be damned, but it probably is not a function of having/not having a stake in American culture.
40/41/42/43…
Which American culture are you talking about? CA culture? NY culture? TX culture? AK culture? MS culture?
What about…African American culture? Rich white culture? Latin American culture? Chinese American culture? Muslim American culture (I’m referring to the hard-working, friendly Muslims, not the blow-you-up-on-a-plane ones)?
24 HAS to be a troll, right? By definition, social conservatism is the belief that the government should regulate moral issues (i.e., that the government should be involved in deciding who people are in their private lives). Social liberals believe that it is not the place of the government to make such decisions on behalf of individuals. Hardly the same thing as saying You Must Love Gay People.
One thing I do agree with Elie on: As a Silver Spring resident, it is a very nice community. Bethesda and Potomac are definitely more upscale though.
Silver Spring is g-hetto full of gangbangers and illegals. Real power couples live in Chevy Chase or Potomac, or Georgetown, or they hop over the river to McLean to pay less tax and not live in a dysfunctional state.
Who would have thought — Maryland more progressive than NY or NJ!?!?
Let’s see married and no rights in The District or full rights and living in MARY-land?
44 FTW!!!
Shit, 44’s onto us.
1) Done (cf. Cheney)
2) In progress – at least they haven’t figured it out exactly yet
3) Terse rephrasing of “gay for pay”
40-43-
Lots of things “change out culture” (in fact, in the realm of family and marriage the big one is divorce among straight people). But just because it changes the culture in some way doesn’t mean you can deny people basic civil rights. Letting black people into all-white schools also changed the culture, particularly in the South, as did allowing women to use the pill. Some thought it changed the culture for good, some for bad, but in the end it’s not a reason to deny someone basic rights. It’s easy for you to pontificate sitting back with your whole panoply of rights that you can take for granted as a straight, privileged person while ignoring hard working families, including children, who suffer legal and economic detriment simply because of whom they (or their parents) are wired to love.