In the comments to our recent post about the large summer associate class in the Chicago office of Skadden, one commenter accused us of “ignoring the massive overhiring of summers at dozens of firms.” We plead not guilty, noting that the comment was itself appended to a post about alleged overhiring at Skadden.
But, inspired (or perhaps goaded) by this comment, we’ve decided to create an open thread on the subject of overly large summer associate classes. Firms with XXL summer classes are the ones where summers are most anxious about not getting a full-time job offer at the end of the program. And it’s probably true that, all things being equal, you’re more likely to get no-offered at a law firm whose 2008 summer associate class is dramatically larger than its 2007 summer associate class. (Note the qualifier “all things being equal” — it could be that the firm or office, like Skadden in Chicago, is busy and making a deliberate effort to grow.)
In the comments to the Skadden - Chicago post, a few firms were fingered as having super-big summer associate classes this year. We followed up on some of them, using the NALP Directory.
Many of the firms mentioned by commenters do have 2008 summer classes that are substantially larger than their 2007 summer classes. One reader pointed to Cravath, Swaine & Moore; Shearman & Sterling; and White & Case. According to the NALP Directory:
Cravath: Summer 2Ls considered for associate offers in 2007 who received offers: 91 out of 91. Summer 2Ls in 2008 = 161. Increase in summer class size: 77 percent.Shearman: Summer 2Ls considered for associate offers in 2007 who received offers = 75 out of 75. Summer 2Ls in 2008 = 134. Increase in summer class size: 79 percent.
White & Case: Summer 2Ls considered for associate offers in 2007 who received offers = 40 out of 40. Summer 2Ls in 2008 = 114. Increase in summer class size: 185 percent.
One commenter claimed that Alston & Bird in Atlanta had “way overhired.” But in 2007, they had 50 summer 2Ls who were considered for associate offers (and made offers to 48 of them). In 2008, they have 51 summer 2Ls — not exactly a massive increase.
Has your firm overhired for its summer program? Are you worried about not getting an offer at the end of the summer — which is just around the corner? Feel free to share, in the comments
Update: One of you notes, and properly so, that “a firm can overhire for a summer even if it hires less summers than the year before — for example, if the economy has tanked and every other law firm in the city is cutting their summer classes by 30% or more. So, yes, A&B overhired.”
We don’t know exactly how things are going at A&B in Atlanta these days. But we’ve heard some interesting things. If you think you know what we’re talking about, please drop us a line.
Earlier: Skadden in Chicago: Too Popular For Its Own Good?