Failing is not a option - keep repeating that and you'll be fine

If after the practice MBE you think you're ready, you're not.

If after the practice MBE you don't think you're ready, you soon will be.

I've only been focusing on the MBE topics so far (but I'm just starting to look over my NY Practice notes), and i got a 135 / 200 on the practice MBE. I'm starting to freak out, however, and I can feel the stress level rising significantly....

Wills & Trusts is killing me right now.

This whole experience is miserable.

I did wellon the practice MBE (140s).

But, barbri has me doing Set 6 from the subjects, and they are kicking my ass. My scores have gone down to 60% for Crim. and Con. and 55% for Ks. THAT is seriously starting to scare me.

Are you guys adding 10-15 points to your scores? If not, those are good raw scores and you'll be completely fine if you keep on doing some practice questions. If you have already given yourself the bump and those are your scaled scores, you'll probably be fine, just try to pinpoint which subjects you did relatively poorly on and focus on those in addition to doing general practice questions.

I dropped a 152 on the MBE. Haven't looked at state essays yet. Starting to worry about those.

As someone who has taken and passed two different bar exams, including New York, I'll provide a few pieces of advice.

1. As you go on in Barbri, they start giving you absurdly hard questions, whole sets of questions that are all as hard as the hardest questions on the bar. They do this to scare you into studying because it looks bad for Barbri if their pass rate goes down.

2. If you get a really good score on the MBE, you will basically pass no matter what (unless you forget to answer a few of the essay questions). Based on that, it makes sense to allocate your study time more heavily toward the MBE at the expense of a few essay topics (especially the ones Barbri tells you are less likely to be tested).

3. Don't study the day of the test or the night after the first day, and don't talk about the test with other people while its going on. The people I know who failed were the ones that psyched themselves out before the test was even over.

On a more pleasant note (i.e., happier than our simulated MBE results), how about bar-study care packages from firms?

Now I can get fat while I stress out. (Though I am stoked!)

I got a 157 (raw) on the BarBri sim. Does anyone know how the questions on the sim compare in difficulty to the ones on the actual test?

Shearman & Sterling sent a box of gourmet cookies to incoming associates.

i got a 188 raw on the mbe. i missed the last 12 cause i fell asleep

I hear that 108 was the average raw score. Based on my own research, you can probably add about 10-15 points to your raw score on the actual mbe, plus whatever the curve is.

10:44-- What led you to come to that conclusion?

I agree that the average is 108.

With that said, the raw mean is usually in the mid to high 120s. So, it would seem that everyone improves by about 20 points between the simulated and the real one.

Why? Who knows. Maybe people just get better at the MBE, or maybe the barbri one is tougher. Personally, I think it is the former.

In any case, if I am scoring around 60% on barbri set 6, and around 60-65% on PMBR blue book, what should I be looking at for the real one?

I scored a 149 (75%) on the simulated MBE, but my scores since then (set 6 subjects and PMBR bluebook simulated exam) appear to have gone down. WTF?

10:44 here.

1:23, I'm in the same boat as you. I got that data from some old (self-reported) score comparisons. If you google practice mbe results, you get old autoadmit threads on the topic.

I would venture to guess that 149 is in the top 5 percent of scores. You don't seem to have anything to worry about for the real deal. If you are scoring below the 108 cutoff, you probably have some work to do, or you are studying all wrong, i.e. trying to learn the rules instead of trying to learn how to beat the test.

I got a 146--That is 97% percentile. You can check it out on barbri.com under your account. You are doing quite well.

154 -- 99%

I am self study and I self graded the practice mbe. Does Barbri have a score distribution table, or can some more people post their scores/percentiles?

Thanks in advance.

135 / 90%

Is Marino Essay Advantage worth the $$$?

if you are freaking out after a 140 or 150 on the MBE, stop being dumb. 99% and you are freaking out?

I was wondering what the goal was with PMBR Red and Blue books. Too often, the questions are just ridiculously specific and seemingly unlikely to be tested on the exam. Is 2/3rd a good average? Appreciate the help!

I'm not taking BarBri and have just been studying from outlines I downloaded from barexamoutlines.org. I got a 153 on the practice MBE. So call me crazy, but I'm going to stop stressing.

you guys are full of crap. get off ATL and study if you want to pass.

I heard that California bar grades harder in years where the economy is in a slump. Since our economy is falling apart I might need to move to Oregon they always have an 80% bar pass rate.

Anybody else feel like the more they learn the worse they do on the practice MBE questions?

My mantra in law school was "'C' = J.D." Now? I just want to get THE lowest passing score in the state. Not too much to ask, is it?

Wow apparently everybody on here is in the 99th percentile or better. Congratulations! Anybody cheat in solitaire too?

agreed, fellow guest. the live people i spoke to didn't break 100 on the barbri practice mbe, but everyone online is rockin the 150...smells funny.

on barbri questions...the latter sets are ridiculous hard...i can't believe the real mbe will be like that b/c...look at all the morons out there who are lawyers.

happy reviewing, and much clarity and perspective to all of you (and me) when we finally take this silly exam.

"agreed, fellow guest. the live people i spoke to didn't break 100 on the barbri practice mbe, but everyone online is rockin the 150...smells funny."

People probably do exaggerate and post high scores as a joke, but plenty of people do well on the practice MBE, and I wouldn't be surprised if many of them read ATL. Furthermore, those who did well are more likely to post their scores than those who didn't do well.

Oh, and maybe the people you know just aren't that smart. For what it's worth, I got a 139.

Hey 2:06 for what its worth, you are a huge tool and your 139 is worth nothing. I hope your computer crashes during the exam and you run from the room crying while everyone points at you and snickers.

So I got a 135 on the BarBri MBE practice exam, and I now got a 109 on the PMBR MBE practice exam 2 weeks later. Am I totally toast?

I haven't even really looked at the NY essay subjects, trying to really focus on the MBE stuff. Now, I'm starting to worry that my strategy isn't working.

I took and passed the California Bar in 2003 and am now taking the Oregon bar. I'm not taking Barbri this time around so I was wondering if anyone knew what the average MBE score in Oregon is for passing?

Also, PMBR is a waste of time. From my memory, the majority of the questions are way harder than what is on the Bar. Also, the really difficult Barbri questions are also generally harder than the exam questions. The problem is that practicing with the high difficulty questions trains you to look for tricks in every question. But must questions don't have a trick, and you can get the straight forward questions wrong by looking for a trick that isn't there.

AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!Did Marino give any essay tips on what he thinks is coming up on the NY bar??? STRESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Thanks :)

AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!Did Marino give any essay tips on what he thinks is coming up on the NY bar??? STRESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Thanks :)

Yeah, I got like a 125 on the practice MBE and then got like 9 right on TORTS in the last sets (one of my best subjects). I think they just keep throwing out different possible questions and the last set is the rarest and most difficult issues (for the most part). I wouldn't take them too seriously, because if you see those questions again you arent going to get them wrong again (for the most part). (notice how you dont see to many repeat issues in the later sets that you could get right because you saw them before).

I think for the most part you remember more than you think you do! Also, bar/bri's NY M/C and essays are significantly harder than the NY essays (and those barbri M/C may not be worth doing for their morale crushing ability either).

Good luck and don't stress out.

Does anyone know what a good score on the Full-Day practice exam in the Practice Questions Volume 2 book?

Should you compare your score on that to the simulated test?

My brother took bar/bri as I did not so i did not take the simulated test, but I did take the Full-Day exam in Volume 2 and scored a 134. Have to MBE a 150 in Michigan to test out of the essays. Am I in the ballpark?

At the risk of getting sued by BarBri, does anyone want to let the rest of us know what the predictions were in the NY Mini Review from yesterday?

Thanks.

can someone tell me where to get the table of received scores and percentile? i know it doesn't really matter now but i'm curious.

thanks.

Court News Flash April 2009





Results of 2008 Bar Exams Released On April 3

Posted: April 1, 2009
By Annie Rose A. Laborte

The results of the 2008 Bar examinations will be released by the Supreme Court En Banc this Friday, April 3. The SC Justices will meet at 9 a.m. that day to deliberate on the passing percentage.

Justice Dante O. Tinga, Chairperson of the 2008 Committee on Bar Examinations, said the list of the names will be displayed in LCD projectors to be strategically displayed at the Supreme Court front yard near its Padre Faura entrance. The results can be viewed simultaneously at sc.judiciary.gov.ph, the official website of the High Court.

Figures from the Office of the Bar Confidant headed by Deputy Clerk of Court and Bar Confidant Atty. Ma. Cristina B. Layusa showed a total of record 6,364 law graduates from 109 law schools nationwide took and finished the exams held on September 7, 14, 21, and 28, 2008 at the De La Salle University in Taft Avenue, Manila.

A total of 6,550 law graduates have filed their petitions to take the 2008 Bar exams; a record 6,533 were admitted. The number decreased to still a record 6,364 after 158 examinees absented themselves from the tests during the first Sunday, while others have dropped out even during the four Sunday spread. Only 6,364 were able to finish up to the fourth Sunday of the exams, Atty. Layusa said.

The Rules of Court provide that “a candidate may be deemed to have passed his examination successfully if he has obtained a general average of 75% in all subjects without falling below 50% in any subject.” In determining the average, subjects in the examinations are given the following relative weights: Political and International Law, 15%; Labor and Social Legislation, 10%; Civil Law, 15%; Taxation, 10%; Mercantile Law, 15%; Criminal Law, 10%; Remedial Law, 20%; and Legal Ethics and Practical Exercises, 5%, for a total of 100%.

The following are the statistics on the Bar exams results for the past eight years:

Year
Total Number of Examinees
Total Number of Those Who Passed
Percentage

2007
5,626
1,289
22.91

2006
6,187
1,893
30.60%

2005
5,607
1,526
27.22%

2004
5,249
1,659
31.61%

2003
5,349
1,108
20.71%

2002
4,659
917
19.68%

2001
3,849
1,266
32.89%

2000
4,698
979
20.84%